mr. turner, thank you for being there for us this morning.to try to give our audience a picture of life in gaza over the course of a day over the past week or so. >> well, for many of the gazans it will be a pretty terrifying time. massive displace. we've had a tripling in the number of displaced in the schools we run in gaza over the course of the last couple of days. just received figures we're now at 70,000 displaced moved into 55 or 57 of our schools. the number is changing literally by the minute. people are scared. what we're seeing compared to previous conflicts is a higher proportion of the displaced coming to our schools and when we asked them why, they said because they don't feel safe anywhere, so many targets hit in residential areas, they don't feel safe with their families or neighbors but relatively safe in our installation sdmrgs do you have a sense -- i know it tries to give warning where the next strike is coming. do you have a sense of how many of those who are currently displaced will go home to find nothing there, that it

>> no. >> mrs. turner, do you agree with that? >> i am sorry, not hear the question clearly. >> people rely on federal programs -- the thing we're talking about, the generational poverty, if they just simply rely on federal programs and they don't try to make themselves better and go out and get a job, will they ever get out of poverty? >> i don't think anyone relies ever wants to rely on federal programs. i feel like people want to go out and get a job. >> do you agree that's the path out of poverty is they have to go out and get a job and become self-reliant? >> if they are capable of going out and getting a job, sir, and have the necessary things to do that, then, yes. but you also have to think about there are some people who are not capable of going out to find employment because where they live, there aren't any jobs. i mean, let's think about it. there is a recession right now. how many jobs are there? and good-paying jobs? let's keep that in mind. >> all i am saying is if you rely on federal programs, you're never going to

mrs. gaines-turner with regard to dependency. just recently -- and friday we are going to be working on yet another tax extender where apparently we are going to tax $614 billion in extenders on a permanent -- make them permanent and put usinesses on a permanent welfare. these bills -- the latest, the bonus depreciation, was temporary in nature to stimulate the economy. as you remember, targeted, temporary and timely was what we tried to do to stimulate the economy. but yet they want to add $287 billion to the deficit. i want to put this in the record with your permission, mr. chairman, just to clear that up. >> without objection. >> i also want to clear some other things up, without objection. clear some other things up about the -- because i feel like we've had great testimony from all three of you, but the conversation was sort of trying to steer some of our witnesses into saying that they're just absolutely too many programs and if they had more flexibility that they could do a better job. i certainly agree, for example -- an

mrs. gaines-turner with regard to dependency. just recently -- and friday we are going to be working on yet another tax extender where apparently we are going to extend $614 billion in tax extenders on a permanent -- make them permanent and put businesses on a permanent welfare. these bills -- the latest, the bonus depreciation, was temporary in nature to stimulate the economy. as you remember, targeted, temporary and timely was what we tried to do to stimulate the economy. but yet they want to add $287 billion to the deficit. i want to put this in the record with your permission, mr. chairman, just to clear that up. >> without objection. >> i also want to clear some other things up, without objection. clear some other things up about the -- because i feel like we've had great testimony from all three of you, but the conversation was sort of trying to steer some of our witnesses into saying that they're just absolutely too many programs and if they had more flexibility that they could do a better job. i certainly agree, for examp

mr. turner joins us now. >> totally not surprised.ple weeks ago showing that these discrepancies exist. this is outright fraud. there are also so many discrepancies about whether or not somebody is actually a citizen. stuart: this is chaos. the government says that they are not going to check. i do not think that they can check. millions and millions of what may be fraudulent act locations. >> the obama administration decided that adaptation was okay. you just tell us how much you make. you just tell us if you are a citizen. we will believe you. if afterwards we find out that is not the case, they may have to pay back thousands of dollars in subsidies. they therefore got a bigger subsidy then they were eligible for. this new report, finding out more about actual attempts to fraudulently sign up for obamacare. virtually everybody was able to do it. stuart: was the system designed to encourage people to do this? >> the system, obviously, a system that is designed to work did not work. many people were not able to get signed up online. t

mr. turner. >> aye. >> mr. tuduncan. >> yoaye. mr. langford. >> aye. >> mr. amash. >> aye. >> mr. gosar. >> goaye. >> mr. meehan vote aye. >> aye. >> mr. hastings votes eye. >> aye. >> mr. woodall votes aye. mr. massey. mr. collins. mr. collins votes aye. mr. meadows. >> aye. >> mr. bentovolio votes aye. mr. desantos votes aye. mr. cummings votes no. mrs. maloney votes no. miss norton. miss norton votes no. mr. tierney votes no. mr. clay. mr. lynch votes no. mr. cooper. mr. connelly. >> anyway. >> mr. connelly votes no. miss spear. >> no. >> mr. cartwright. >> i would like to associate myself with the words of the ranking mechanical b ining memb. >> miss duckworth. >> no. >> miss kelly. >> absolutely not. >> mr. davis. mr. welch votes no. mr. cardenas. >> no. >> mr. horseford. >> no. >> miss grisham votes no. >> all members voted? the clerk will call -- >> on that vote, sir, 14 -- 19 ayes. 14 nos. >> the resolution rejecting the claim that david psimos is immune from being compelled to testify before congress on matters related to his official duties is approved and we stand adjou

plus, mrs. turner goes to washington. this week's powerful congressional testimony about what it is really like to live in poverty. and of the women behind the emmy-nominated mega hit "orange is the new black" but first, running out of water in the motor city. >>> good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. if you thought the refugee surge we talked about on yesterday's show was the only border crisis currently facing the united states, think again. because there is another humanitarian situation unfolding on the u.s.'s northern border that also has caught the attention of the united nations and also involves people from another neighboring nation crossing into the united states. only in this case it is people on our side of the border who are in need of help and our foreign friends who could be coming to the rescue. i'm talking about the people in the city of detroit, who have been deprived of access to the most basic element of human survival -- water. in a city that borders the largest source of fresh surface water on the

plus, mrs. turner goes to washington.ngressional testimony about what it is really like to live in poverty. and of the women behind the emmy-nominated mega hit "orange is the new black" but first, running out of water in the motor city. >>> good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. if you thought the refugee surge we talked about on yesterday's show was the only bordersi

mr. turner, thank you very much. obviously you're doing such important work.a key to improvement in that area and obviously the last place that should be targeted by anybody. be safe. thank you for keeping us informed. we'll be back in touch. >> thank you. >> and obviously the account ability question is key and hope flir there are answers there very soon so we can make sure that this conflict spares as many innocents as possible. let's take a break here on "new day." when we come back. vacation time is always a good thing except if you're lawmakers in congress set to leave tomorrow for a five-week recess with all these scenes that are on your television right now ongoing in the world. we're going to ask a member of republican leadership if they are going on vacation and how do they justify that? [ man ] cortana, when my wife calls remind me to tell her happy anniversary. [ cortana ] next time you talk to caroline, i'll remind you. [ siri ] oh no, i cannot do that. oh, and remind me to get roses when i'm near any flower shop. sure thing. remind you when you ge

mr. chairman, that if we put miss turner and miss tiller and miss reynolds in a room together to address the theme of these meetings that we've been having in here that the three of you, regardless of your difference of opinions -- and there is some common factors -- would come up with a better solution than we could. let's get straight right now. it's clear the two parties want to do something about this problem, neither party is privy to virtue on this. but we have widely different ideas about what direction we should go. i hear many times t"the culture of poverty." you better examen the culture of the congress, because the culture of poverty means that there is an essential part of poverty which will continue inevitab inevitably. on the other hand, i've heard how do we help folks become self-you have? that's an interesting term "self-sufficient." well, how do children three, four, five years old living in poverty become self-sufficient? how do seniors in their later years, how do the infirm, the mentally challenged, how do the chronically unemployed? i've got self-sufficient coming ou

mr. chairman. again, thank you all to have your testimony today. it's been very instructive. i want to start also with ms. gains turner. thank you again for being here. i also want to thank congresswoman barbara lee for encouraging the committee to make sure we heard your valuable testimony. >> yes, thank you very much. >> the chairman asked you and you were talking about the disincentives to save, for example, because if you put aside something to save, then you might no longer qualify for food nutrition benefits, is that right? >> yes. >> right. i just, for our benefit of our colleagues, reducing those cliffs which is something i think all of us would support, certainly on the democratic side, may end up costing more money. right? because what you're saying is that instead of being cut off from food and nutrition programs when you start saving, you would be allowed to continue to save and also continue to receive your food and nutrition benefits until you get to a point where your family's truly at a living wage independently. >> exactly. that's exactly what i'm saying. and i just want to be very clear here on what i