mr. zimmerman say? in your investigation, is there anything at all together suggest at that time that mr. zimmerman continue to follow mr. martin? >> at which point, sir? >> the point the officer said -- nonemergency operator said we don't need you to do that and mr. zimmerman said okay. >> i would say yes, there was. >> what -- what evidence would you have? >> end location. >> soar. >> i end location. where the incident ultimately end. >> the fact that -- may i approach the witness, your honor? state's exhibit 139. because you know the event started where? >> the event as far as i'm concerned, started off that map. >> okay. talking about the pass cal altercation. i apologize. my understanding from -- what's your understanding as to when mr. zimmerman got to this area, what path he took. >> may i stand? >> please do. >> would you face forward? >> yes. >> my understand sing he's coming this way and he walks. okay. he walks all the way over here. he says he doesn't see him. he says he doesn't see him. oka

mr. zimmerman's coursework. i think mr. pleasants may have taught an online course at the seminole state college. in any event, the issue last tuesday was a scheduling complication. i don't dispute that the deposition was set some time after court on tuesday and that at some point may have known that. there were no reminders or any conversation during the day, and then at the end of the day, when mr. manti had set up the video deposition with mr. pleasants here and contacted me by phone to say where are you, at that point we had already left the courthouse, but more importantly, mr. zimmerman had already been escorted off the property. a motion to perpetuate testimony either requires the accused presence or a specific waiver. we are unable to accomplish either of those at that moment. i apologize to mr. manti, and here we are today. as the court's aware, we have been working full days and then some, and, of course, there's lots of work to do at night and on the weekends. with this witness's unavailability, i think we should

mr. zimmerman? >> yes, we did keep in touch? >> did you know his wife as well? >> i did not know her personally, no. >> yet you kept in touch with george zimmerman even during this year that you with respect working there? >> yes. >> when you came back, how often would you see him on a weekly basis? >> i would say several times a week, it varied, but quite often. >> so you had an opportunity to interact with him on a daily basis? >> yes. >> hear his voice? >> yes. >> could you tell us, we're using the terms a spectrum of different voices, anything from a conversational tone, yelling, laughing, you sort of tell us to the extent that you heard him speak in different ways. tell us about that. >> normal conversation, personal conversation, work conversation, i have heard him speak in english, i have heard him speak in spanish. >> have you heard him laughing and yelling? >> i have heard him laughing, not yelling. >> and my understanding is, of course you know why we're here, the event that happened on november 26 of 2012? >> yes. >> and did you speak to him just after

mr. zimmerman? >> yes. >> okay. and i believe you stated that you and your husband whatever money was made you would donate it to mr. zimmerman, is that correct? to his cause? >> yes. >> so, you would agree that you have a stake in this, don't you? >> a stake? >> yes, in terms of the book. how many books have been sold as a result of mr. zimmerman being charged with this crime in terms of you all? how many books have you guys sold? >> i have no idea. >> in all the money being made from that book, are you prof profiting or donating the profits to mr. zimmerman? >> we're depositing it into our savings for george after. >> you keep saying george, george zimmerman that we're talking about, the defendant, correct? >> that's correct. >> and i believe you've known mr. zimmerman for how long? >> since 2006. >> and you met him through work? >> that's correct. >> you ended up marrying he and his wife? >> that's correct. >> he is left-handed, correct? >> yes. >> now, regarding the recording that was played for

mr. zimmerman, but before you got to the that next interview with mr. mmerman, tell the jury, if you would, what other actions you were doing as the investigating officer. >> from the beginning? >> well, yeah. we sort of have gone through the 26th, correct? that night. >> okay. >> and then we've talked about that you had a dozen or so witness statements had you already gathered on the 27th. >> okay. >> and that we had the interview and the re-creation interview on the 27th. so moving us from that pointen forward. >> other than identifying trayvon himself and farce you want my timeline as far as what i was doing as far as it pertains to george? >> yes, sir. >> okay. on the day after, after i identifying, well, on the day of the incident, i spent several hours attempting to identify trayvon and i spent most of the night doing that actually. and after identifying him, i had to go ahead and make arrangements to get him released. the interviews that were conducted in preparation for my next interview with george had to be listened to compared to with the witn

mr. zimmerman with mr. erman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the -- you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you could see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> right, in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one, you couldn't get the other one. so there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objection as

mr. zimmerman. >> as to mr.n, i don't want you to discuss any anecdotal information you may have heard about but just focusing on his physical size, age, what not, and to the extent i believe that that was relevant in comparing the physical abilities, if you would give the jury your thoughts on that. >> looking at the physique, the overall size of a person, is more telling about an individual than age. so in my review of it, there was nothing that indicated to me that mr. martin wasn't physically capable. you know, when i looked at his size and weight, they were comparable to -- i saw the photos of him, he seemed to be, overall, in good physical health and physically fit. comparatively to mr. zimmerman who had lost weight. he had great weight loss and was not from what i could see and understand of his physical able ability to be physically fit. the information provided in the emt reports and things like that, photos don't tell you everything. the one thing is a picture can't tell you everything. i rely on other

mr. zimmerman and the lack of injuries on mr.he didn't have any striking. even though he's on the ground and in this tussle, he did not do anything of any significance that would have been able to even result in an injury to him. that would support again the same information i already derived from another source. >> he didn't even land a strike, at least one that left a mark, did he? >> i'm going to object to that as calling for speculation. >> sustained. >> how about any evidence gathered from this event that suggested that trayvon martin did have a warrior mentality or mindset? >> i'm going to object to that as beyond the scope and in violation of an earlier motion. >> my response? >> sustained as to the violation. >> the door was opened, your honor. it was this prosecutor that asked that very question. i'm just asking him to focus -- >> you've already asked your questions about that. >> i'm now asking about mr. martin, not mr. zimmerman any longer. >> my objection -- my ruling remains sustained. >> yes, your honor. is there an

mr. zimmerman? >> no. >> in a written statement that mr. zimmerman wrote out for you, focus was on the fact he called trayvon martin a suspect. did he know trayvon martin's name at that time? >> no. >> did you? >> no. >> okay. so he had to be called something, wouldn't you agree? >> yes. >> did you consider suspect to be such an outrageous term to use it caused you concern? >> i didn't read it at the time. >> how about today? >> no, i don't think it's unusual. >> okay. >> we are continuing to hear testimony from detective doris singleton from the sanford police department. she's the officer who interviewed george zimmerman at the police station the night of the shooting. she's giving more details on her interaction with george zimmerman. we'll continue to listen in. we're going to take a quick break and be right back. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but

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mr. zimmerman say it? >> it seemed to me like mr. della ron do was trying to highlight it, make it sound heightened. yet, i don't feel it was that way at all. i think it was more a statement, a comment. >> you mentioned that you have children? yes. i have two sons. >> their ages. >> 30 and 33. >> okay. in conversations with them, have you heard them use such words as, let me premise this, in a courtroom bound by the evidence the curse words, with euse the curse words, just so you know why, i'm questioning you about curse words, okay. have you -- >> yes, i have. >>. >> does that always connotate anger, ill will, spite? >> not at all. >> and do you think it did from listening to george zimmerman's voice in this recording? >> not at up a. >> you've heard the words and you closed your eyes. why did you close your eyes to listen to that tape? >> since i had been asked about the question and mr. de la rionda asked or said something about running, i was trying to listen very carefully to see if i could hear. and was it only by concentrating

mr. zimmerman? >> i would have to hear it again. >> sure. >> we'll keep it low until we get to that point. >> if there is anything that needs to be changed ... >> i ask for the level -- >> i can't do this anymore. this one. >> police, fire or medical? >> do you hear the voice in the background? >> police, fire or medical? >> there is screaming out. >> i think it was pointed out on two occasions yesterday that there was a suggestion mr. zimmerman said it doesn't even sounds like me. do you remember that? >> yes, sir. is it your opinion -- your opinion -- did you interpret that mr. zirm ma -- that in zimn was denying it was him or saying it didn't sounds like him. >> objection, opinion. >> sustained. >> did that change the direction of your interrogation, that statement he said doesn't even sounds like me, does that change the direction of your interrogation of him at all? >> no, it did not. >> did that cause you any concern whatsoever? >> no, it did not. >> if i might have a moment, your honor. i wan

mr. zimmerman. answer, no. then he asked her about mr. immerman's reaction when zimmerman found out that trayvon martin was in fact dead. and she testified that, he shook his head. he looked down. and then she offered that testimony about the fact that he was concerned about being a catholic and how he is taught that it is always a sin to kill somebody as a catholic and she was trying to shore him up, and saying, if it happened the way you say it happened, god wouldn't view that as a sin. so that speaks to the defendant's state of mind. that is what self-defense is all about and second degree murder too. what is in george zimmerman's head. was it ill will? hatred in spite? or was it somebody who believed that his own life was potentially in danger. his own life or grave bodily harm. either one had to be at the stake in order for him to justifiably pull that trigger. in three minutes, they will put on chris serino. the guy we see in the walk through and that will be critical. if the defense doesn't put zimmerman on the stand. the prosecutio

mr. zimmerman. a witness statement and a transcribed conversation, given by mr.ohn good. 911 calls, a reenactment tape of the incident by mr. zimmerman. dna reports, a firearm examiner reports, and the deposition of dr. rao. >> what i would like to talk with you about, in terms of your findings -- well, let me ask you first. you did have an opportunity to review the video recording of mr. zimmerman, in that sense, reenacting the events immediately surrounding the shooting? >> yes, sir. >> and you've had access to some witness statements? >> yes, sir. >> have you, to your knowledge, reviewed all of the witness statements? >> no, i haven't, because by the nature of this case, it's more about determining whether the physical evidence is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account, what he says happened. because the witness statements tend to be, in most cases, all around, you know, vary greatly. so the easiest way to hear it is to evaluate the physical evidence that you have on the body, and the clothing and such, and then compare it to the statements of the defendant,

mr. zimmerman's head. >> 31? >> 31 is the front of mr. zimmerman's head. 32 is still photograph mr.tin at 7-eleven. 33 a picture of mr. martin's hand. 34 is second still of mr. martin at the 7-eleven. 35 an aerial view of the retreat at twin circle 36 is a larger aerial photograph of the entire area of that portion of sanford. 37 is a large aerial of retreat at twin lakes. and 38 is a medical pending investigation picture of the scene. if admitted then 39 would be the time line we talked about. two other loose enters ends. one we talked about the judicial notice of the weather. we came up for more accurate one for 26 and that will be substituted, that is close to me but not in my hands. >> with that stipulated for state's exhibit 213? so as soon as you get it. trish, will you allow that to be substituted for the one you have? >> next one would be the same exact exhibited for the 27th of february. >> a composite state's exhibit or do you want the other one? >> we planted them separate so we would not mess them up. >> we'll substitute 213 for the new one and make the second one for th

mr. zimmerman's determination is to whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> not at this time, your honor. >> and when is it that -- how long do you think you need before you make that decision? >> your honor, may we have an opportunity to speak? the case isn't concluded yet. >> i understand that. and i've asked mr. zimmerman if he needed more time to talk to his attorneys, and if he does, i will afford it to him. mr. zimmerman, how much more time do you think you're going to need to discuss this with your attorneys? >> i assume it would depend on how long the recesses are, your honor. the end of the day. >> okay. well, if your attorneys have finished with two witnesses before the end of the day, do you think that you would then know whether or not you want to testify? >> your honor, on mr. zimmerman's behalf -- >> i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring as to his decision about whether or not to testify -- >> your object

zimmerman? well, lorenzo, mr. ortgage zimmerman walk out of that station with no arrest. we had a dead 17-year-old, yet no arrest. and seeing him called to the stand today reminded me why this needed to go to trial. i went with others early in to say that this should not be decided in the back of a police station. this should go to trial. let's not forget i was never called until mr. lee, two weeks after the killing, said, and i'm quoting him. i'll put his quote up. he said "mr. zimmerman has made a statement of self-defense. until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don't have grounds to arrest him." two weeks later, you didn't know that the injuries were not serious, you did not know that mr. zimmerman had told different stories? you didn't know he hasn't been pummelled? you decided with all of the contradictions that we now know that that was not probable cause. the protest was that mr. lee and the police there had become the judge and jury, and that was not fair. that was something that we prote

mr. zimmerman says he didn't see exactly where he came from. now, faith jenkins, lisa bloom, marcia clark, and john burris. marcia, how much of this kind of inconsistency undermines zimmerman's version of events? >> oh, boy, this really does, i have to say, it really does there was another one as well where he was talking about how at first he said he saw trayvon martin running. and then suddenly he was walking leisurely. and that kind of thing is very important too. because what he saw of trayvon martin's behavior is very important to explain the motive for him to pursue trayvon martin to make the call to begin with, as a matter of fact. and i want to point out something else there is a huge inconsistency also in his description. he says trayvon martin of the actual attack, trayvon martin straddles him and then repeatedly pounds his head into the ground, and repeatedly throws blows into his face. but the injuries are not consistent with that there is -- there are lacerations, a couple of small ones on the back of zimmerman's head. but those ar

mr. zimmerman's determination as to whether or not he wants to testify. mr. zimmerman, have you made a decision as to whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> no, not at that time, your honor. >> okay. and when is it that you -- how long do you think you need before you make that decision? >> your honor, may we have an opportunity to speak? the case isn't concluded yet. >> i understand that. and i've asked mr. zimmerman if he needed more time to talk to his attorneys, and if he does, i will afford it to him. mr. zimmermazimmerman, how much time do you think you'll need? >> i would assume it would depend how long the recesses are. the end of the day. >> if your attorneys have finished with two witnesses before the end of the day, do you think you would then know whether or not you want to testify? >> your honor, on mr. zimmerman's behalf, that decision -- >> i'm asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. mr. z

mr. zimmerman that impression? >> yes, sir. >> thank you, your honor. >> i think i'm only going to ask two, lee sxwles thank you. >> may only ask one. right now it could be raining outside, right? >> yes, sir. >> that would be pure speculation on your part, would it not? >> yes. >> thank you. >> you are excused from the courtroom but you are subject to being recalled. thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, i think we will take a 15-minute recess. >> good morning. i'm thomas roberts at msnbc headquarters in new york. we are watching more gripping testimony in the second-degree murder trial of george zimmerman. this morning's session started with the prosecutor making a motion to strike comments made by the lead detective on this case, chris serino. the witness you saw there. under cross exammation yesterday, the defense attorney mark o'mara asked whether serino thought zimmerman was telling the truth during an interview about what happened that might. serino said yes. this morning the prosecution said that answe

mr. zimmerman. >> is it not also consistent with mr. martin pulling away from zimmerman on the ground and you would have the same angle he's pulling away and zimmerman shooting him at that time? >> yes. >> defense attorney called george zimmerman's former neighbor to testify via video conference. she told the court the night of the shooting she recognized zimmerman's truck parked near the crime scene. who she thought was screaming on the 911 audio from that night? >> based on the fact that i have only heard george's voice, i would say that it is his. >> so, it was a long night last night and looking in the courtroom now, will we see the same fireworks today that we saw the other day. so far it looked so good, wolf, you know, people seem to be smiling and hopefully they got some rest and hopefully a smooth wednesday. we do know that court will start up here. within a few minutes we'll have a hearing without the jury present and then the jury will return around 10:00 a.m. eastern time and that's when we expect to get start would testimony,

mr. zimmerman screaming, mr. zimmerman screaming 40 seconds, how do you explain to this jury that he couldn't even land a strike in defense of himself? >> object to that. calling for speculation. >> your honor, i'm going to -- >> you're asking for an explanation? >> i am. and the door i think has been opened as to potential analogies. >> overruled. >> can you restate the question again? i'm sorry. >> sure. can you explain to the jury a couple of facts. it was suggested it was mr. zimmerman screaming. you've now testified that mr. zimp mer man was not able to strike nary a blow on mr. martin. can you explain to the jury how that might have happened, how that occurred? >> well, if we were stating that he was the individual screaming, then we could conclude that with mr. martin on top of him, mr. martin was the aggressor. the strikes were being rained down and he, for lack of better words, was physically unable of responding, wanting someone to help him out of a bad situation. it's possible his hands were busy. maybe

mr. zimmerman if he plans to testify. listen in. >> mr. n, sir, did you have -- i spoke with you this morning about your rights to testify if you want to and the fact that you do not have to testify either. the jury cannot consider that in their deliberations of whether you testify or not. did you have an opportunity to talk to your attorneys about whether or not you want to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> do you need some more time to talk to your attorneys about that? >> no, your honor. >> okay. if you'll please just raise your right hand for one moment. >> do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god. >> i do. >> mr. zimmerman, like i said before, you're aware during this trial you have the absolute right to remain silent. you do not have to say anything, do anything, or prove anything. is that correct? >> yes, your honor. >> and you also have the right to testify if you want to. do you understand that? >> yes, your honor. >> and i've given

mr. zimmerman? >> yes, i did. >> so when we look at your interview, various interviews with mr. zimmerman, is it fair then for the jury to take it in context that you had a lot of information to you at midnight, that officer singleton did not have? >> yes, sir. >> matter of fact, as i think she testified, she had virtually no information available to her at that point, did she. >> from what i know, no, sir. >> but you had talked to john good and several other eye or ear witnesses, correct? can. >> yes, i had, sir. >> had gathered a lot of that information, gathered either yourself or by tasking other officers who then reported to you. >> yes, sir. >> okay. >> and with all of that information sort of as a foundation, you were then able to talk to george zimmerman and have him walk you through what he perceived to have happened, correct? >> during our first interview. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> speaking to the one at 1:05 a.m. on the 27th, six hours after the event? >> yes, sir. >> so as we go through it or as the jury listens to it again, they should keep in mind that when you sort of s

mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you can see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one you couldn't get the other one. there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objection. leading nature of the question.

mr. zimmerman. a witness statement and a transcribed conversation given reply mr. john good. 911 calls and reenactment tape by mr. zimmerman. firearm arm examiner reports and the deposition of dr. rowe. >> let's -- what i'd like to talk with you about in terms of your findings -- well, let me ask you, first, you did have an opportunity to review the video recording of mr. zimmerman in the sense reenacting the events immediately surrounding the shooting? >> yes, sir. >> and you've had access to some witness statements? >> yes, sir. >> have you, to your knowledge, reviewed all of the witness statements? >> no, i have not' because by the nature of this case, it's more about determining whether the physical evidence is consistent with mr. zimmerman's account of what he says happened. because the witness statements tend to be, in most cases, all around, you know, varied greatly. the easiest way to hear is evaluate the physical evidence that you have on the body ask the -- and the clothing and such and then compare it to the statements of the defendant in this case, in t

mr. zimmerman? >> yes. >> i believe you stated you and your husband, whatever money was made, you were going to donate it to mr. zimmerman, is that correct, to his cause? >> yes. >> you would agree you have a stake in this, don't you? >> a stake? >> yeah, in terms of the book. how many books have been sold as a result of mr. zimmerman being charged with his crime, in terps of you all, how many books have you guys sold? >> i have no idea. >> and all the money that is being made from that book, are you all profiting from it or donating the profits from -- >> actually, we're dear posting it into our savings for george after. >> okay. you keep saying george. george zimmerman we're talking about, the defendant, correct? >> that's correct. >> and i believe you've known mr. zimmerman for how long? >> since 2006. >> and you met him through work? >> that's correct. >> in fact, you ended up marrying he and his wife, correct? >> that's correct. >> he is left handed, correct? >> yes. >> now, regarding the recor

mr. zimmerman was acting in an angry way? >> not at all. >> so when asked the question could you hear those words being yelled by mr. zimmerman in the campaign event, i think you said no? >> no. >> but you have in fact heard him yell? >> absolutely. >> maybe happy yelling during a campaign? >> yes. >> vote for us, vote for my guy? >> yes. >> down with the other guy? >> pep rallies and such. >> as a matter of fact that's part of a campaign, isn't it? get everybody motivated? >> get everybody excited and motivated so i have heard him in that setting. >> so that's part of your testimony that you bring today, having heard mr. zimmerman scream even though in a happy way? >> yes. >> of course you have never heard him scream for his life before, have you? >> no. >> but you did hear him on that 911 call? >> yes, i did. >> we talked about, you were asked about continuous nature of the calling. i'm going to posit two different possibilities to see if we can get through them a little bit. >> yes, sir. >> if i were to scream one scream o

mr. zimmerman? >> it could be. just like mr. guy pointed out if mr. zimmerman is on the bottom and he's not just laying there trying to do his sliding techniques as he's turning his body or head it's going to redirect and realign. whatever push or punch comes in next it's going to be a strike to the side, front. that's all indicative of an ongoing combat event. >> talking about the angle. mr. guy was suggesting we need to stay focussed with the injury of the wound, 90 degrees, straight in. >> that's what he said. >> that could happen maybe something like this if trayvon martin is trying to now back away at the end of the 45 secon seconds. do you agree it's a possibility? >> it's a possibility. >> do you have any reasonable idea that's what happened? >> no. >> could it have happened this way? >> yes. >> this way? >> yes. >> could it happen mr. martin reaching back for the final stra strike? >> as long as the alignments stay within that final position it's a possibility. >> you know mr. zimmerman was able to get his gun out of the right side hip, correct

mr. zimmerman. i was not on the jury, but i think what happened here could be a manifestation of that maxim. >> i want toss here with you and still talk about the jury. ultimately it is the interpretation of the law by the jury. it's what rules. so of course without changing the meaning or legal impact, should some laws be rewritten to make them easier to understand? >> potentially, and that's the age old question. there always is, as i said, are written by lawyers and committee well before the trial. each state has their own set of jury instructions, but then the lawyers, the prosecution and the defense in criminal cases, grapple over a negotiated overwording because somebody's life is at stake in criminal cases and every word matters. i think, however, that this judge, judge nelson, did a reasonable job taking the previously drafted jury instructions by the legal committee, which are on the books, and crafted them to apply to this case. again, i'd be very curious to see what question the jurors ha

mr. zimmerman. it seems that virtually all of these individuals have a vested continuing interest in this trial, beyond the actual evidence. >> right. well, looking they're family and friends of george zimmerman. so they are supporting him in the case. the question would be a perfectly appropriate question for cross-examination of the gm owner, had it been raised on cross-examination when he was called as a defense witness. the question is, can he call him back to the stand now just to ask him that. we're always finding out new information as time goes on. we can't call witnesses back and get in another additional question. this is time for the state's rebuttal case. they're supposed to be putting on fresh evidence to respond to new information that came out in the defense case. not supposed to be extending cross-examinations that are already concluded. >> lisa, again, i'm grateful to you. jonathan capehart and craig melvin. the trial is in a 15-ment recess. we'll return live in a moment. looked nice

mr. zimmerman?> correct. >> as far as that friendship you were contacted on the night this event happened? >> i was. >> offered your help when, i guess helped shelly with what she was going through? >> near hysterical? he was visiting her father's home at the time when she received a call from a neighbor from twin lakes and she immediately called me both of us got into our vehicle and arrived a twin lakes within about ten seconds of each other. >> how upset was she? >> hysterical. she had almost no information to go on because the neighbor that called had -- they had hung up so she couldn't get further updates as to george's health or status. i put my arm around her to keep her from blacking out, i guess. >> at that point she had gotten a phone call from somebody who said that george was involved in a shooting, correct? >> she told me that she got call that said george was involved in a shooting, in handcuffs and bloody. >> i want to bring something up while we're watching the testimony. i think it'

mr. zimmerman's -- >> on mr. zimmerman's -- >> i am asking your client a question, please, mr.ject to the court inquiring to mr. zimmerman about his decision whether or not to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. >> and then something you don't see every day. the judge literally walking out on attorney west while talking. >> court is in recess. i will give my ruling in the morning. i'll see you at 8:00 in the morning. court is in recess. >> it's 10:00 -- >> it's 9:56. court is in recess. thank you very much. with all due respect, we'll see you at 8:00 in the morning. >> i'm not physical able to keep up this pace much longer. it's 10:00 at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day. weekends, depositions at night. >> the judge walked out. she was gone. all of this happened without the jury in the room. but with the defense closing argument tomorrow, could it have any impact on the outcome of the case? marcia clark, wow, what do you have to say about these exchanges? >> well, you know, things take place in a court of law. i can say that i've actually been

mr. zimmerman is a person who is by no stretch of the imagination an athlete. i believe it's my opinion that physical abilities, he would find himself lacking when compared to mr. martin. >> if this person, this mannequin, were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me? >> would be at your left inner thigh. >> were you aware the defendant described to his best friend, when the defendant slid down that trayvon martin was up around his armpits? were you aware of that? >> no. i have not heard that. >> where would the gun be now? >> now the gun would be behind your left leg. >> the injuries on mr. zimmerman's back of his head consistent with someone doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about this. how about if somebody resisted the attempt? the two lacerations, could that come from cement, someone resisting me pushing down? >> i believe so. >> defense would call robert zimmerman senior, your honor. >> you ask me did i recognize the voice. >> what did you tell him? >> absolutely. it's my son george. >> the late

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mr. zimmerman? well, joining me now msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom, former prosecutor faith jenkins, john berris a formal prosecutor, and ken patowitz and marcia clark author of "killer ambition." thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i want you all to weigh in here starting with lisa. how will the jury react to mr. zimmerman not taking the stand? >> this is a sequestered jury. they probably want to get on with it. they've heard his version of events. and they are told not to hold it against him he's not taking the stand. and they all say they follow that. >> faith? how do you feel the jury's going to take him not testifying? yes, they will be told not to hold it against him, but what they're told and what is human is sometimes two different things. >> the reality is you have to teenage kid who they now know was walking back to the place he was staying, not committing any crime. and he ends up dead. and there have been a number of inconsistencies in george zimmer

mr. zimmerman, correct ? >> yes, sir. >> and you had read other statements that other witnesses had gathered together as to what they heard? >> yes, sir. >> that included mrs. lauer, who told you she heard what she heard? >> yes, sir. >> and her fiancee as well, back then her fiancee? >> yes. >> you had spoken to them yourself? >> yes, i had. >> as you were now going back to mr. zimmerman, who did not have this information available to him, tell me what concerns you had that mr. zimmerman told you that night that did not comport to the information that you were aware of? >> i had none at that time. >> did he seem to be cagey in his answering to you? did he seem to be side stepping your answers in any form or way to get around answering your direct questions? >> no, sir. >> did he seem to do anything that based upon your training and experience evidenced to you what he was being less than straight forward with you? >> no, he was being straight forward in my opinion. >> i think it was in this interview that you

mr. zimmerman as to his decision about whether or not to testify. >> your objection is overruled. mr. ys. thank you very much. >> steve: what was that? >> gretchen: ultimately apparently we found out that george zimmerman is not going to testify, but it was sort of a long and drawn out process. greta van susteren, a lawyer herself, on her show last night had these thoughts about the judge. >> let me tell you off the top, that judge was way out of line. the defense had not rested, had not nearly rested and what in the world was she badgering him for and not talking to the lawyer? way out of line. she had no business asking that particular question then. no business. she waits 'til the end of the defense case, then she can do that. doing that in the middle of a defense case is way out of line. >> steve: greta doesn't need a panel, she's got it there herself. >> brian: what did judge napolitano think? >> gretchen: he said that he didn't agree with it being the timing of it. they should have waited for the witnesses when he was on our show earlier today on the 6:00 o'clock hour. but that h

mr. zimmerman not taking the >> mr. zimmerman not taking the stand. >> he will not testify. >> the defense in the george zimmerman trial may be ending its case. >> may we have an opportunity to speak, the case is not concluded. >> tempers flare. >> your objection is overruled. >> the attorney objected a couple of times to the court's only questions. >> you can't really object to the judge's only question. >> says zimmerman would have been at a physical disadvantage. >> and the comparison between the two individuals. >> he compared the physical fitness of the two men. >> compared the physical ability. >> that george zimmerman was no match for him. what are we going to see from the prosecution side? will there be redirect? >> you have never testified in a case like this. >> the defense in the george zimmerman trial rested today. >> then it will move to closing arguments. >> setting the stage for closing arguments which start tomorrow. >> after five days of testimony, the defense rested its case today in the second degree m

mr. zimmerman's account that he -- that mr. martin was over him leaning forward at the time he was shot. >> a top expert on gunshot wounds takes the stand and supports zimmerman's story, again. >> is this injury consistent with mr. zimmerman's head having impacted a sidewalk? >> yes, sir. >> and again. >> is this injury you see in this exhibit consistent with having been purnched in the nos? >> yes, sir. >> the prosecution hit back and i'll break it down with the legal eagles and the man that defended casey anthony. how he thinks the defense team is dog. >> i want to bring in ashleigh banfield. so significant, wasn't it, the testimony of this man, dr. v vincent di maio. >> reporter: of course. the lights on behind me, this is a see quested jury so they are getting as much done as fast as they can and accomplished so much with the witness you just talked about. dr. vincent di maio. heard of him? probably. he's like the grand dad of pathology, he was the medical examiner in beaux county in texas and made incredible arguments, e vs

mr. zimmerman. as i will refer to them, insignificant injuries. >> did you observe any lacerations to the back of the defendant's head? >> yes. >> how many? >> two. >> were those lacerations depicted in the photographs that you reviewed? >> yes. there was bleeding, so i was not able to look at them after they were cleaned because subsequently when he went to the clinic, they were covered by band-aids. >> and were you also provided the reports from the family clinic describing the injuries as they were viewed by physicians assistant the next morning? >> yes. >> all right. would you assist me with the lights? let me show you first state's 79. was that one of the photographs from the scene you were provided? >> yes. >> and state's 76. was that a photograph from the scene you were provided? >> yes. >> let me show you state's 57. were you also provided that photograph? >> yes. >> your honor, may i approach the witness? >> yes, you may. >> let me give you this pointer. just press that had button. explain

mr. zimmerman, correct? >> i didn't mention mr. zimmerman. that was an opinion of mr. zimmerman. >> okay. you mentioned tim smith. >> yes, sir. >> that he had actually heard the call, or he just said this is what mr. zimmerman said? >> yes. >> okay. right? >> yes, based on what mr. zimmerman said to officer smith. >> right. and you recall when you played that recording to mr. zimmerman, that mr. zimmerman said, it doesn't sound like me. you recall that? >> yes, i do. >> in terms of you played that 911 call, and he told you, it doesn't sound like me, correct? >> i believe his words were, that doesn't even sound like me. >> thank you. thank you, sir. and finally, sir, you were asked about ms. green you knew as the fiancee or girlfriend of mr. martin, right? >> yes, sir. >> and would you agree that she was consoling mr. martin, correct? >> yes, sir. >> so in terms of what she said, she heard or not, she was focusing on providing whatever comfort she could. >> yes, sir. >> to the father of the death -- the father of trayvon martin? >> yes, sir. >> would that be accurate? >>