. >> reporter: economist steven mullens say there are clear winners and losers in the storm. the the losers are retail shops and restaurants in the city including food trucks. this vendor usually has 40 to 50 customers for lunch but has not seen his regulars. >> it is real slow. nobody come out. so i just close. >> reporter: winners for this storm. >> convenient storm, home depots, gas stations, where do you buy a snow shovel place. >> reporter: mullens says if we really got predict storm it could have a had a bigger economic impact that lasted for days but if we had to put a number on it, the the city lost. >> in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. >> reporter: now you that may sound like a lot of money but mullens believe that the city will be able to make up for that in the next few weeks. he remind us if we compare last years brutal winter to this years what it is so far, when you compare it side by side the city still comes out on top this year. we are live, syma chowdhry for cbs-3 "eyewitness news". >> same, thank you. >>> farther north of new jersey you go the

you quote mike mullen as saying fewer and fewer people know anyone in the military.come too easy to go to war. >> it's one thing for somebody like me to say i think it has become too easy to go to war but to have mike mullen the chairman of the joint chiefs to say that has some weight. at previous times in american history especially in the generation after world war ii america was familiar enough with the military to understand it the way it understands it other big institutions to respect it the way we do schools and the medical system and courts but recognize its shortcomings. we have come to a situation where few people are exposed to the realities of the military. there are twice as many people living on farms as there are serving on active duty or reserves. we have replaced what i view as hollow easy celebration at game halftimes for serious engagement with where we commit troops around the world. >> the "new york times" reported on the death of a soldier in afghanistan who was a jamaican immigrant from new york on his fifth deployment. flags were not lowered t

joining me to dig deeper into this is ed mullens, the president of the new york sergeants benevolentociation. so what's going on? >> this is a great topic. i'm glad you brought it up. this is a topic that has a lot of interest in the people in new york and needs to be clarified. the drastic reduction in numbers that you highlighted would appear to be obvious concern to the public in new york city of police not making arrests, issuing summons. what is left out of that equation is the daily protests that are occurring around the city of new york where hundreds in that times, in thousands of police officers that are responding to these protests our duties are technically being reassigned from the daily functions we've been doing to working these demonstrations throughout the city of new york. in addition to that we've had the tragedy of two police officers being killed which has totally diverted almost ten days of one funeral to another funeral, officers running around taking care of families but also doubling up on patrols and concern of further assassination attempts. so what we haven

the first w's player to start back-to-back all-star game for steph curry since chris mullen in 1991/1992>>> joe lacob courtside, and in the final 20 minutes here come the cats. jumper and-one. next wildcat possession the big man is showing off the mad range, and part of the triple 12-3 run, and uva wins. >>> and now cal hosting arizona state, and this not close. the golden bears scored 13 first half points, and the lowest output of the season. 19 turnovers and shooting 33% from the field. at one point went scoreless for over 13 minutes. cal falls 17- sfalls. and now, gonzaga with the longest home streak this the country. and now, the big man is loving this. next possession, the bulldog ss in transition kyle wilshire part of the gonzaga run as they cruise. >>> the new england patriots are hoping to take the air out of deflate gate before super bowl week approaches, but the strategy is not working. as bill belichick told the media he had no idea of the controversy until monday morning. and he left all of the controversy on tom brady. >> i have a process that i go to, and i have all of the

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joseph mullen forced inmates to touch each other and play paddy cake in order to be released from lockdown. he made sexual comments, watched them use the bathrooms. the incidents happened from july through september of 2013. >>> today three more women came forward claiming comedian bill cosby sexually assaulted them. the three women sat alongside attorney gloria allred while they shared their stories. one of the women claiming cosby invited her backstage at one of his shows in las vegas in 1981. the woman said cosby drugged her before putting her in a dark room and forcefully kissing her. >> for more than 30 years, i've been sickened by what he did to me that he had taken advantage of me sexually and that he had the nerve to suggest i asked for it. >> this is new video of bill cosby arriving in canada. tonight he returns to the stage for the first time since november. >>> a former philadelphia principal is now the eighth person charged in connection with a cheating scandal at city schools. police arrested low eded lola marie davis o'rourke. she was the principal at allen locke elementary i

he and steph curry were the first warriors teammate to make the team since tim hardaway and chris mullen is out on gail's big man. brad waldo. found his teammate tonight. gary carter. six of eight from beyond the arc. he had a team high 18. the gails are 9-1 in the west coast conference. tiger woods was not great, but was it as bad as the golf channel east analyst described it? >> and tiger woods was as bad, not as i have seen him, the worst i have ever seen a tour pro around the greens. >> wow. golf analyst brandal shabliaa. i wonder if he will hear from tiger. me is nine strokes behind the leader ryan palmer in phoenix. >>> the sharks have been camping out in the blind all season against the ducks tied at 1-1. the defense in the net. san jose takes the lead. and that was the start of a huge period. patrick marleau gets the second. five goals in the second. they win 6-3. they have not lost to anaheim all season long. >>> for all the attention marshawn lynch is getting for not saying anything at the superbowl, his teammate michael bennett is an open book. he was asked today if he had a q

with the selections the warriors will have two players with chris mullen back in 1993.g up february 15th in new york. he spoke today during another media event. he expressed frustration with the media continuing to ask him questions that he has no interest in answering. he doesn't trust the media. i think we can say that safely in general. he seems to think of reporters are mad at him. not understanding they want some quote from him about the biggest game of the year. >> so i don't say enough to go put everything out on them. i have come to your events you should have cameras and microphones down my throat. when i'm home in my environment, i don't see you. but you're mad at me. and if you ain't mad at me what are you here for? >> maybe we like you. >> katy perry was channelling her inner marshon lynch today >> you're a single girl. is there someone you have your eye on this weekend? >> i'm just here so i don't get fined. >> tremendous. tom brady can tie joe with four rings so who is joe picking? >> they've been doing things together. i have been thinking new england is

with the selections the warriors will have two players with chris mullen back in 1993. coming up february 15th in new york. he spoke today during another media event. he expressed frustration with the media continuing to ask him questions that he has no interest in answering. he doesn't trust the media. i think we can say that safely in general. he seems to think of reporters are mad at him. not understanding they want some quote from him about the biggest game of the year. >> so i don't say enough to go put everything out on them. i have come to your events you should have cameras and microphones down my throat. when i'm home in my environment, i don't see you. but you're mad at me. and if you ain't mad at me what are you here for? >> maybe we like you. >> katy perry was channelling her inner marshon lynch today >> you're a single girl. is there someone you have your eye on this weekend? >> i'm just here so i don't get fined. >> tremendous. tom brady can tie joe with four rings so who is joe picking? >> they've been doing things together. i have been thinking new engla

mullen locked in one inmate and wouldn't let them out until they hugged each other and played the game >>> new this morning a man accused of killing three people after opening fire at a municipal meeting in monroe county is suing the prison over the food. he said the high starch food is causing him to have mood swings. he said the prison has ignored his concerns and request for a kosher diet. he is in jail awaiting the trial for the killing of three people in ross township back in august, 2013. >> apple revealed when the iwatch will be released here's tech bytes. >> reporter: hey everybody in tech bytes, looks like apple is getting ready for the launch date of apple watch. >> it will be out in march it will $350. >> at&t customers will be able to roll over their monthly data. it goes into effect on january 25th. sprints has a similar plan. >>> >> itech sock also will alert you to when you need new running shoes, they retail for $200. >> these are smart socks? 200-dollar socks? come on! for you which saves money. they settle claims quickly which saves time, which saves money. they drive

mark mullen is off this morning. what were you saying?ews now." >> welcome aboard. >> hello from new york. >> i'm juju chang. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm david muir. >> i'm vinita nair. >> i'm reena ninan. >> i'm t.j. holmes. here are some of the top headlines we're following this morning. >> ladies and gentlemen, bob dylan. >> just standing there choking that chicken. >> this is not good. >> i don't. i don't. >> look at me. >> we hope tonight to warm your cockles because it's warm out -- cold out there in most of the country. >> now people are googling cockles. >> it's not dirty. >> i didn't know elmo did that. >> what's up? >> watching the game. having a bud. >> true. true. >> whassup? >> whassup? >> yo. >> pick up the phone. >> hello. >> whassup? >> whassup? >> stay above 50. >> you have to keep it above 50. >> miles per hour? >> no, viewers. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm lame. i don't have a halloween costume. what on earth is that? >> we had this elaborate plan and this is all i had time to put on. >> i'm joe jonas. i don't know if i've hit pubert

steph curry as the first warrior teammates to make the all-star game since tim hardaway and chris mullenreat for warriors to have multiple all stars. great to be out there and put the organization on the map on the global stage. it's cool. >> and it is. tiger woods can smile now that he has all his teeth in the gallery in phoenix. he was playing just a second tournament in six months and it showed. two bogeys, double bogey on the first four holes. that's how -- you don't make as much money as tiger. the short game went awol but still signs of his former self. second shot on 13 sets up an eagle. he finished 2-over 73. he will have a tough time making the cut nine strokes behind the leader ryan palmer. >>> tomas berdych lost to andy murray. murray not entertained. after dropping the first set the brit wins the next three in a match that lasted 3.5 murray. he advances to the australian open fines for the fourth time in his career. murray faces novak djokovic or last year's champ stan save rinca. >>> one thing you won't car is marshawn lynch speaking with the media for more than five minutes

and over barbecue with dan mullen he lamented he wished like a football coach he'd been judged on his record back in 2012. >> be nice for people that run for office their leadership experience and what they've accomplished in life would be a bigger part of what people focused on. but it's not. mostly it's what you say and what you do is a lot more important than what you say. >> romney also cautioned republicans not to ignore minority voters and immigrants during the primaries and then expect them to be there for the general election. an indication if he does choose to run for a third time, he would certainly run as a conservative, though likely not as far to the right as he shifted back in 2012. brett? >> thank you. >>> south carolina senator lindsay graham says he has set up an exploratory committee for a possible run at the republican presidential nomination. graham says the move will enable him to raise money. he says he'll visit new hampshire and iowa to see if his message resinates. >>> up next, the latest on the hostage drama involving isis terrorists and two innocent victims.

at the time secretary of state -- secretary of defense robert gates admiral mullen the joint chiefs of staff, tom donilon all recommended, all the intel guys said listen we don't know what the situation is in libya. we are not sure of who these rebels are if they have like al qaeda backing. we recommend doing nothing. no national security interests are at risk. but then you had hillary clinton, samantha power susan rice all saying we can't have this rwanda type situation. >> it was more the women. we have got another tape that we have gotten this from you. let's listen. >> everything i'm getting from state department is that they do not care about being a part of this. the congressman very much want to be a part of the solution. the state department and clinton have no -- she doesn't want to negotiate at all. it's been very bad. >> first, why the funny joyce and secondly has seax clinton or anyone in the state department responded to niece. >> we feel it would be inaappropriate to identify the intelligence. >> so the purpose was to hide the identity? >> right. and even though there was

in fact, he is going to join his teammate steph curry first time since 1993, chris mullen and tim hardaway warriors, have had two guys in the all- star game. i will see you tonight. >>> all right. thank you very much, dennis. >>> play of the day, world of golf, in florida at the lpga a local golfer on the tea paula creamer from pleasanton, might be about an eight iron. 163 yards and no putter needed! she aced it! it's a hole in one. a one on a three, she's happy. and paula winning our play of the day. >> you have to keep the low golf voice. >> yes. >>> 5:25 now. a bay area community not laughing at the experience he had at a local eatery. why he is upset with the way he was treated while out at a well- known cafe. >> you could actually hear the blow as if he was hitting a punching bag and, um, she is terrified. >> a call to sell a product quickly turns into a call that saved a woman's life. the unexpected heroes who alerted police from some 900 miles away. coming up. >> and i'm kiet do live at right speed in san jose. these guys convert dirty diesel burning trucks into electric. we take on

in fact, he is going to join his teammate steph curry first time since 1993, chris mullen and tim hardaway warriors, have had two guys in the all- star game. i will see you tonight. >>> play of the day, world of golf, in florida at the lpga a local golfer on the tea paula creamer from pleasanton, might be about an eight iron. 163 yards and no putter needed! she aced it! it's a hole in one. a one on a three, she's happy. and paula winning our play of the day. an eagle on a par three and better yet our play of the day. >>> 6:25. dozens of people are searching for a place to live after this week's massive fire in san francisco's mission district. why they say problems at the apartment building put them in further danger. >> reporter: i'm kiet do. we are live at a company called wright speed in san jose. these guys convert dirty gas burning trucks into clean electric vehicles. we take one for a spin. let me ♪♪ good morning, usher! hey! did you know bees communicate through dance? me too... we're practically twins! >>> two days until the super bowl the eyes of the world on glendale arizona now.

no less authority than what mike mullen stated. the largest threat to national security is the debt. we have to look at costs and make sure there is a true return on value for the american citizen. what is the value? i get it. the carrier is the most impressive symbol of the nation and i heard the discussion from the president. i try to find the quotes. the president is always asking about the carrier's. -- carriers. what is the value of symbology? what is the value we attached to the carrier's? -- carriers? is it -- what is the value of other ships? can we state that it isand we stay that it is 0.2? i can buy six for one aircraft carrier. can i make that up? this is one of the biggest challenges facing us. we are looking at a fleet that we are trying to get above 300, but our numbers keep going down. we decided to increase the retirement from seven to 10. we gave up three numbers there that we need to provide naval presence. we have to come to grips with, what value do we assign to symbology? i get what you are saying about we wil

to admiral mike mullen when he was chairman of the joint chiefs of is staff.elcome to "meet the press" to both of you. general, let me start with you. it was your veteran's day op ed that got a lot of people's attention, which had the headline about why we lost both wars. the wars haven't ended, even though we're saying they have ended as far as 2014. what are we in right now? what is this is war we are fighting? how would you describe it? >> right now, chuck, i would say we're in the salvage or damage control phase from two failed campaigns. in iraq, we have sent in just enough guys to lep the current iraqi government try and hold on to what they have. in afghanistan, we're trying to do a similar thing with 10,000 troops in a land locked country where the supply lines run through pakistan and russia. pretty tricky area to fight in even under best circumstances. right now we're just in damage control. we're talking about end of combat operations. our enemies, the taliban and isis are talking about winning. >> so sarah, what is -- what is the u.s. policy now? t

former chairman of the joint chiefs, mike mullen admit we did not fermanagh never intended to. he does eventually basically gives them a crystal user and the afghanistan war at that point before you get fired for the president, he gives them what he wants. but he does get to do one thing. of course now that inundate him. that sets in and day what she wanted to send a message to the pentagon look you are not going to tell me everything. you are getting your way but i am going to have to innovate. >> host: is that your belief that setting was as much aimed at the pentagon as kind of the democratic space? >> he was elected to wind down all the wars in to finish the new norm on how to do it counterterrorism. that's one of the man if he got elected to end it took them so long to come around on isis and iraq because it's almost as if he's breaking promise that he was elected to do. i think what he took away from it and the relationship at the pentagon is he has done more and more to distance -- almost distance himself for the pentagon or find new leadership. the chuck hagel, the whol

i visited with admiral mullen who did a surprise inspection about five years ago because it was back then considered a possible alternative site for gitmo detainees. >> fascinating story that you tell. just quickly why do you think they let him out early? he was supposed to be released in a week or so? >> right. he was already supposed to be released. this was probably for security back in qatar. by now the united states especially in the intelligence world very close with qatar. instrumental in helping with hostage cases overseas with communicating with al news are a and isis. it's not a surprise to that country and to that government that he was delivered or was, you know let out a little ahead of schedule most likely for security. >> see what he is up to know. kevin, thank you very much. >> sure. >> they're is a fox news alert. a full fledged coupe underway in yemen. rebel forces storming the presidential palace today and the volatile situation threatening american efforts to combat al qaeda's powerful branch in yemen. grn correspondent charlene rodriguez is live in the capitol. w

a few years ago many of you will recall that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, then mike mullen was asked what he thought was the greatest threat to national security for the united states. the greatest threat this is the highest ranking military officer in the country was asked what the greatest threat was to our national security. you all know what he replied. the debt. the debt. $18 trillion growing at this point. now the total debt now exceeds the gross domestic product in this country and would on absolutely unsustainable path. the budget committee is where we begin to get our fiscal house in order. why do we want to do that? as i say it's not just numbers on a page, not making things add up to zero at the bottom line when we get there to get a balanced budget, but with a debt that size, paying the interest on the debt servicing that debt every single dollar that services that did is a dollar that can't be used for education, can't be used or health care, can be used for transportation, can be used for energy, can't be used for national security. it is literally at a point

no less authority than former chairman of the joint chiefs admiral michael mullen has stated that thergest threat the united states national security is our own debt. and so we have to look very seriously at costs and make sure that there is a true return on value for the american citizen. and what is that value? i get it that the carrier is the most impressive symbol of our nation. and i've heard the discussions about the president asking where are the carriers? i still try to find those quotes in the the presidential papers. but i hear that the president is always asking about the carriers. so what is the value of symbology? what is the value we attach to the carrier? is it, as i've stated in my writings, if we assign a value to the carrier of 1.0 in presence and symbology power then what is the value of other ships in-3z can we state that it's .2? because i can buy six berks for one aircraft carrier. can i make that up and grow my fleet? because surely this is one of the biggest challenges facing us. we're looking at a fleet today that we're trying to get above 300. but our numbers

hours maybe five or six of us seven, i forget how many in the oval office with bob gates and admiral mullen and bob mueller from the head of the fbi, the president talking through and i won't tell everything but talking through some of the stuff that they had already learned in the investigation. and i remember that was a thursday because i remember i'm walking out of the oval office and i see larry somers waiting and he's walking in and all of a sudden, i remember oh yeah tomorrow's employment report. and, of course, the white house economic team will get the employment report. and they don't it comes out:30 in the morning. it's the day for two years you're just waiting for the employment report. and larry was going into to tell the president what the report was. again, i'm so focused on fort hood and the investigation and the fbi and all that stuff. i see larry and i'm like, i kind of craned like go like this. and he just goes -- and i remember going oh, man. and it was the first time the unemployment surpassed 10% since reagan. and so again there's those moments where you've got all this

admiral mullen, a co-chair of the board, after interviewing charlene lamb, employee at the state department, then called up sheryl mills and said, hey, ms. lamb's going to testify in front of a congressional committee. she's not going to do a good job. i'm giving you a heads up. when the co-chair gives up a heads up about a potential witness coming in front of congress, that doesn't really scream independence. but, mr. rubin, let's assume they're all all right. let's assume they got it right that this is independent. in spite of those facts, in spite of the fact the secretary picked four of the five people who were supposed to investigate her, i don't know where anywhere else in life where a potential subject gets to pick their investigators. despite the fact she wasn't interviewed, sheryl mills wasn't interviewed, despite all those facts, let's just assume that mr. cummings, mr. connelly, mr. starr are correct when they say independent, how do we test that claim if you guys won't give us the documents? how do we test the claim of independence if you guys won't let us see the record? mr. ru

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i was talking to ed mullens, the president of the sergeant's association in nypd last week and he's workingwith community leaders like a. r. bernard. they're trying to put together a league throughout the neighborhoods, an athletic league, and they can compete against each other, police and the community, involved in each of the teams. so they get to know each other. and, you know, it's an interesting thing. but when you get to know people, all of a sudden the horns disappear. ha ha! the fangs go away. you say, oh wow. sometimes you don't even think about what collar color they are. >> arewe are going to be talking to ronald davis, coming up at about 8:30. let's go to michael, detroit, michigan line for democrats. michael, good morning. >> good morning. first of all, this is what i'd like to say. for you to be a black man and just say what you just said that didn't make no sense to me! and did you know that the party that you represent represents the k.k.k.? thank you! >> okay. well, first of all i wonder if this gentleman knows that the republican party was formed as an abolition party tha

a few years ago many of you will recall that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff then mike mullen asked what he thought was the greatest threat to national security for the united states. the greatest threat. this is the highest ranking military officer in the country was asked what the greatest threat was to our national security. and you all know what he replied, the debt. the debt. $18 trillion and growing at this point. now exceeds the total debt now exceeds the gross domestic product in this country and we're on an absolutely unsustainable path. and the budget committee is where we begin to get our fiscal -- >> i'm back. hope everyone was able to get some lunch. i know there are still folks out who are trying to pick up their lunch and they'll be trickling back in as we hear from our next speaker. our next speaker is also a member of the budget committee. you just heard from his chairman. if you want to have any follow-up questions on budget, you've got another budget member here. but we are -- it's not going to be the focus of his talk right now. the focus of his talk right

admiral mullen a co-chair of the board after interviewing charlene lamb, employee at the state department, then called up sheryl mills and said hey, ms. lamb's going to testify in front of a congressional committee. she's not going to do a good job. i'm giving you a heads up. when the co-chair gives up a heads up about a potential witness coming in front of congress, that doesn't really scream independence. but mr. ruben, let's assume they're all all right. let's assume they got it right that this is independent. in spite of those facts in spite of the fact the secretary picked four of the five people who were supposed to investigate her, i don't know where anywhere else in life with a potential subject gets to pick their investigators. despite the fact she wasn't interviewed, sheryl mills wasn't interviewed, despite all those facts, let's just assume that mr. cummings, mr. connelly mr. starr correct when they say independent, how do we test that claim if you guys won't give us the documents? how do we test the claim of independence if you guys won't let us see the record? mr. ruben you'v

a few years ago, many of you will recall that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff then mike mullen asked what he thought was the greatest threat to national security for the united states. the greatest threat. this is the highest ranking military officer in the country is asked what the greatest threat was to our national security. and you all know what he replied? the debt. the debt. $18 trillion and growing. and the total debt exceeds the gross domestic product and we're on an absolutely unsustainable path. and the budget committee is where we get our fiscal house in order. why do we want to do that? again, it is not just numbers on a page and making things add up to zero to get a balanced budget, but with a debt that size paying the interest on the debt servicing that debt, every single dollar that services that debt is a dollar that can't be used for education, can't be used for healthcare, can't be used for transportation or energy. that can't be used for national security. it is literally at a point where it is approaching choking off the actual vitality of our great country.

pentagon at the time were defense secretary robert gates and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mike mullen aide that president obama was telling members of congress at that time that libya was, quote: all secretary clinton's matter. back to you all in new york. >> unbelievable. >> interesting stuff. >> all right. some of the stories making headlines to tell you about this saturday, say it isn't so joe. vice president joe biden telling democratic lawmakers the obvious in philadelphia. past six years have been really really hard for this country. and have been really tough for our party. together, it's because together and together we made some really really tough decisions. decisions that weren't at all popular, hard to explain. >> so who is to blame for those tough years? not the president. biden says the obama administration inherited all the problems from george w. bush. you have heard that before? even though we are well into the president's second term. however, biden still insists his boss has played the right economic decisions up until now. well, they aren't supposed to be in our co

that's why admiral mullen, former chairman of the joint chief of staffs a few years ago shocked all of us when he was asked what is the single largest threat to our national security? and he said the debt. that got a lot of us going to the books figure out -- figuring out what he's talking about. what he was referring to is what i'm talking about here. in 2025 we will be spending $827 billion in interest on our debt alone. we won't be paying down the principal. we'll just be paying the interest on the debt, by 2025, $827 billion. that would be the third largest line item in the federal budget just behind medicare and social security. the director of the congressional budget office, doug elmendorf has been testifying this week on findings from this report, and on tuesday before the house budget committee mr. elmendorf -- dr. elmendorf, i should say stated -- quote -- "such large and growing federal debt would have serious negative consequences" -- close quote. and he's exactly right. when we have to have basically take up available credit to finance our national debt, that's less credit