that new york's world of tomorrow well, that was just like mussolini's vision for italy. muslimi was skeptical, but that that sort of sold him. he would claim to wayland that his vision for italy using the government to build the country back up was no different than roosevelt's new deal that did italy fascist, you know america democracy. it's the same thing. and when mussolini asked the price after having agreed well and being a gambler upped it from the four he charged the soviets. the great nation of italy a low low price of just five million dollars. written in france quickly increase their partition participation as well and ultimately 62 nations would attend. and the fact that mainly juiced by the soviets and the italians this money flooded in and allowed the fair to expand and prosper at first. but it wasn't just countries attending the fair. partly, the fair was a means to help repair the image of capitalism and corporations, which had rightfully gotten a pretty bad rap during the great depression. a lot of people blamed big corporations for the economic doldrums

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mussolini argued the italian people have a duty to produce as many children as possible.ease reproduction. a loan canceled with each new child. a man with six children was made exempt from taxation. it allowed abortion, restricted women's access to birth control. you have republicans, conservatives in red states getting rid of no-fault divorce or trying to get rid of it. then they're tying it to this other piece, immigration. here is jd vance talking about abortion and tying it to cheap labor and immigration. >> when the big corporations come against you for passive abortion restrictions, which corporations are so desperate for cheap layer, they don't want people to parent children, she's right to say abortion restrictions are bad for business. we should be for abortion restrictions even if they are bad for business. >> and the idea being that if they can do mass deportation, they must tie it to forcing american women to bear more children so that they can be the labor. i think people don't often tie all that together, but they certainly seem to. >> yeah, and it's really

the the after the nazis bower in italy, states foreign policy became extremely aggressive. benito mussolini needed glorious victories. he decided to achieve his ambitions in africa. despite the fact that formally libya had become an at deleon colony back in 1912. the vast territories of this country were not actually controlled by rome. the nazis decided to put an end to this. but as soon as the religious order of this genocide stood in their way, the arabs did not want to submit to foreign power and put up fierce resistance. dividers against colonialism were led by the seats of this m a side order. omar l move star was nicknamed the lion of the desert for his incredible courage. despite the violent, bombardments and boys in gas usage, mass deportations, and the imprisonment of the local population in concentration camps. the invaders could not go with the arrow patriots for a decade. in 1931, omar l moves are, was captured and sentenced the hanging at the trial. the hero of the libyan people behaved very bravely and rejected. pardon. pursuing a policy of genocide, italy was only able to te

the the 1935 fast is easily led by dictator benito mussolini decided to expand its colonial empire in africa and take over the opium. by that time, ethiopia was the only fully independent states on the continent. back in 1896, its inhabitants were able to defeat the italian colonies and defend their independence. since then, rome craves for revenge for the humiliating defeat. in the morning of october, 3, 1935. without any announcement, the foxes attacked ethiopia and bombarded it most severely. d. d o b an armed forces bod, courageously. but the roots allergy of the italians knew no bounds. they use not only massive bombing attacks on civilians, but also chemical weapons, toxic gases. this change the course of the war. as a result of the occupation of ethiopia by the fascist 760000 people were killed. the capture of the african state was committed with europe's tacit approval. britain and france recognize the annexation, giving the green light to a further fastest expansion in the world and davy and that way for the outbreak of world war 2, the roses. we are, which are ours to make.

on august 26, hitler and mussolini flew to brest-litovsk, where they viewed the ruins of the brest fortressis was hitler's first visit to the eastern front. the nazi command planned to completely plunder and devastate all captured territories. on the eve of the attack on the soviet union. hitler signed the secret oldenburg plan, known as the green folder of goering. this document ordered the confiscation of all stocks of raw materials and food in the territory between the vistula and the urals. all valuable industrial equipment was supposed to be taken to germany, and the rest was to be destroyed. the territory of the ussr was to become an agrarian appendage of the third reich. 30 million russians were doomed to starvation. what was at the forefront of the intentions of the fuhrer and the reich? this is the triad, these are three components: military destruction - the barbarossa plan, economic plunder - goering's green folder gruen, and general plan ost, which left no doubt what they wanted to do with us. goering, when plans were already being developed for the soviet union, he addressed th

on august 26 , hitler and mussolini flew to brest-litovsk, where they looked at the ruins of the brestess. this was hitler's first visit to the eastern front. the nazi command planned to completely plunder and ruin all captured territories. on the eve of the attack on the soviet union, hitler signed the secret oldenburg plan, known as the herring green folder. this document ordered the confiscation of all raw materials and food supplies in the territory between the vistula and the urals. all valuable industrial equipment was supposed to be removed to... the soviet union, he addressed the military, before you is a country where there is a lot of white bread, apples sour cream, take it all, take it, it's all in your hands, but about 30 million russians will be superfluous, that's the task already set. was specified. the latest, most detailed plan, authored by konrad mayer, was sent to himmler for approval in may 1942. it was supposed, including, well , specifically in relation to the soviet union, to destroy someone, and resettle someone somewhere beyond the urals, because there is a lot

mehrparvor to farang along with vali ahed, and after they were settled in switzerland , he went to visit mussolini in italy in france. he met and talked with the ministers of war and foreign affairs of this country and with the ceo of the british oil company during his trip to england, which lasted for a month. timur tash then traveled to germany. during these trips, european newspapers wrote articles about timur tash and his power in iran it was translated into farsi and given to reza khan. unaware of everything, he went to the soviet union and asked them to present their oil proposals to iran. reza shah in the first half of his reign, i.e. in the decade. he needed this type of influential and powerful people in order to establish his government, but when this government was established and the position of reza shah was consolidated, now these same people became targets for abuse in the second half of his reign, i.e. in the 1310s. they are a threat to the reign of reza shah and the reign of the crown prince. timur tash returned to iran from the slanders against him were reported to reza shah. but

along with wali ahed during his trip to europe, and after they settled in switzerland, they visited mussolini in italy. went in france , he met and talked with the ministers of war and foreign affairs of this country, and during his trip to england, which lasted for a month, with the ceo of the british oil company. timur tash then traveled to germany. during these trips, european newspapers wrote articles about timur tash and his power in iran, which were translated into persian and are available. khan, who was unaware of everything , went to the soviet union and asked them to present their oil proposals to iran. in the first half of his reign, that is, in the 1300s, reza shah needed this type of influential and powerful people because government to establish himself, but when this government it was established and the position of reza shah was strengthened. now , in the second half of his reign, that is, in the 1310s, these same people became targets for misogyny, and in fact, they were viewed as a threat to the reign of reza shah and the reign of the crown prince. on his return to iran, tim

you joining us now is history professor at new york university, author of "strong man, mussolini to thene of the things that stood out to me, ruth, this idea that this federal employee, who did have military lease present, chose not to pursue this matter for fear of retribution and retaliation. and, you came to mind that happened because you have often pointed out to me that nobody has to do anything in an undemocratic society or authoritarian society, you just have to make people fearful something will happen to them. >> yes, that is right. in fact, so many people have been threatened and, in fact, what did they do, though? they are not pressing charges but the campaign of trump doubled down, denigrating her character. whether you pursue, you know, charges or you hang back, the result is the same and they are even more empowered to do it to somebody else the next time. >> i would almost say they should be nice to her, send her a basket or something like that be the idea that they mock her, say she's having a mental breakdown, not information the trump campaign would have anyway. to thi

mehrparvor to culture with the crown prince, and after they settled in switzerland , he went to visit mussolini in italy, in france with the ministers of war and foreign affairs of this country, and on a trip to england that lasted for a month. drove with the ceo of the company british oil met and discussed. timur tash then to germany. traveled during these trips, european newspapers wrote articles about timur tash and his power in iran, which were translated into persian and given to reza khan. unaware of everything, he went to the soviet union and asked them to present their oil proposals to iran. reza shah in the first half of his reign, that is, in the 1000s. it needed these kind of influential and powerful people in order to stabilize its government, but when this government was established and the position of reza shah was consolidated, now these same people in the second half of his reign, i.e. in the 1310s , they became targets for misogyny and in fact they were seen as a threat to the monarchy. reza shah , as well as crown prince timur tash , came to know about the slander against him

that is, mussolini. these are young members of your party today. yeah, yeah, yeah. was not fair, um...and... well, you didn't like it. i don't know if that makes it not fair. no, it was not fair. listen. yes, you can see sometimes, especially in the stadium stands, you can see some young guys making the fascist salute. but, listen, um, honestly, they don't know nothing about fascism. they are doing that gesture only because it's against the system. it's a sort of gesture of rebellion, stupid, against the system. 0k. against the society. it's a full gesture of rebellion. nothing more than this. let's then talk about italy's positioning in europe and the wider world under brothers of italy government, here in rome. do you see yourselves as part of that european movement, which would probably include viktor 0rban in hungary, prime minister robert fico of slovakia, and others who are fed up with domination, as they see it, from brussels, who want a new europe, defined by nation states with the power and the right to pursue their own agenda, even if it conflicts with the

mussolini jealously followed hitler's successes in the field of armament, he had to decide which blocnglo-french or hitler. gaetana is the head of italian intelligence against hitler, there is often time kolne, his relative is married to ... i need to recruit him, he is an aristocrat , a hereditary military man, such are not recruited, so you need to become a close person to him and provide access to documents, right? when they need an answer, tomorrow, i'll handle it, tima, i hope your sacrifice will not be in vain. i will never be what i am again, me too, how cold, dima, now this cold inside me will be there forever. good afternoon, good afternoon, well, are you ready, op, come on, yes, op, oh, well done, how lovely, good afternoon, good afternoon, this is the girl kabel, and the boy, can i treat him, yes, please. hello, do you want this? here, here, eat, eat, eat, boy, boy, how smart, come here, at least some more, well, take it, here, take it, try, try this, such a smart one, oh, didn't introduce herself, rona, very glad, met isolde on the street of a small resort town where she l

september 1938 by the prime minister of great britain chamberlain, france daladier, the kingdom of italy mussolini and reich chancellor of the third reich hitler. according to the annexes to the munich agreement, prague was supposed to transfer the southern, southwestern regions, and districts of transcarpathia to hungary. with the key cities of uzhhorod, mukachevo and bergo, and actually this was such a very heavy blow for the newly formed autonomy, it was decided that khust is the most optimal city for the concentration of all these institutions, and actually after moving to khust, these well-known ukrainian organizations and institutions appeared, in particular the carpathian sich, which became the nucleus of the ukrainian army. since then, the topic of autonomous carpathian ukraine has not left the pages of the world press. during this time in khust the little one. leading correspondents of the american, british, french, german and even japanese editions. front pages about what is happening here were published in the new york times, daily telegraph, and le figaro. just imagine, in french newsp

contrary, i remind you when the imperial forum, how do you know which one is in the center of rome, mussolini a straight road through the forum, destroying it a lot of forums, for example, adrian's forum suffered a lot from this, but this... it was the same , and nearby he also built his own architectural monuments, and with that he simply asserted: look, i am the new emperor, i am the new julius caesar, i can change everything like once in caesar, here at this forum of the caesars, it is the same, it is a fascist fascist method of self-affirmation at the expense of archeology, yes, well, i was just friends once with edin, he later emigrated to the soviet union. the art of totalitarianism, he has published a book called authoritarian or totalitarian art, so huge, and he was just explaining the parallels between the soviet union. germany, this italy, frankish spain and so on, and so on, you see, you mentioned southeast asia, indo-china. let's go home, to ukraine a little bit. i have the following question for you: right now , this brawl continues, continues around the so-called ukrainian ortho

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but the by the, i call it the mussolini moment. you know, silly name over the which it was saying that, you know, and the day and the threat was not just one chrome, but from child support, which is and then being on enrollment from the beginning of a biden's term. he was talking about this, the existential thread. peruse by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could pull the of the, you know, the, the ad cfax is the white supremacists, the white nationalist of the mag i'll follow is. that is now they've been playing this political game really, you know, for years and years. and of course, something like this is going to happen. a now does go down the road, is what we wish him a speedy recovery. how much is this? what's the mileage? if this a does at all good luck and he's good just in democracy, but he's agenda is still in democracy. now you wish you must be there we go. why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy according to martin the, the way the rhetoric has been played out and it's al

but the, by the, i call it the mussolini moment. you know, silly name. oh, anything which it was saying that you know, and again the strength was not just one chrome from child support which is and then being on enrollment soon. the beginning of a biden's term he was talking about this, the existential thread. peruse by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could go the, all the, you know, the, the ad cfax is the white supremacists, the white national, that of the mag, i'll follow as that is now they've been playing this political game. really, you know, for years and years, and of course, something like this is going to happen a now does go down the road where we wish him a speedy recovery this. what's the mileage you decide is out all hibler and he's going to in democracy they, his agenda is do in democracy. now you wish you must be there we go. why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy according to you know, martin the, the, the way the rhetoric is been played out and it's almost getting close to 10 years. and

this is mussolini's ceremonial sword that hung in his office in rome. it wasn't in a container, just hung on the wall. if you look at the blade you can see where there's pitting and marks probably from the pollution in rome when the allies were close to the city. he escaped took this and some other items to his villa at lake como where he thought he would be safe. but 10th mountain division captured him there they captured this sword. they gave the sword to general lucian who gave it to general george marshall, who gave it to the foundation here. and it was displayed in the museum for many years. and when the museum closed 10th mountain division, one of the sword back and i told them no and there's a second sword in here, tell us that story. this sword belonged to cadet george marshall. it was his first captain's sword that was given him at graduation here at vmi it was given by the cadet in recognition of his great leadership. here it is absolutely a work of art. and although it was made in 1901. it looks brand new in part because very it was stored at

open the door to the room to anyone, he himself went to meet sotto scarzeny, hitler's favorite and mussolini's early in the morning after this meeting there was a knock on our door, two bald-headed guys were standing on the threshold, they presented my dad with a book of memoirs with scarzeny with his gift. inscription. ottos scarzeny, a german saboteur of austrian origin, collaborated with american intelligence, thanks to which he was acquitted, despite proven participation in punitive operations. long before the revival of fascism, semenov understood that the ideas of exclusivity are immortal. and the fight against them will be eternal. by the eighties, this building was almost destroyed. an idea arose to turn this building into an organ hall. my father responded, donated money. here i often met with one wonderful woman who loved me very much for her incredible culture, for her education. but one day, when we talked about the tragedy that happened 2 may 2014 in odessa, she said. yes, people died, of course, a tragedy, but now no one is making noise, everything is quiet, then i remembered my

people use socialism over communism in describe this administration, it is corporativism, mussolini'soration in government that controlled the whole spear, i think of dangers there, i think of a corporativist environment, you know what i'm saying. >> you are right. that is why you know in book, it is dangerous conceit for people to look at for example and periods of we have gone through of anti-free speech, efforts by the government to assume we'll withstand this with, this is different, we we have never encountered this before because of companies like facebook, zuckerberg said i'm really sorry about being silent, he was not facebook had a commercial campaign that went on for years he tried to sell young people to embrace censorship, i wrote about, that it was creepy, they were focusing on young people, we have a generation of speech phobics, they have been told since they were young free speech is harmful it is triggering, facebook tried to sell that to get a free people to be less free that does not work well. david: best cure, medicine for this, is competition, of free market, and

. >> ruth, you know, history, past can be prologue, we look at mussolini for example, and we have to up hitler as well. those are examples of dictators, autocrats that are in power and they figure out ways to change the laws and change the policies, you know, make it so that they punish, sometimes even kill, opposition, in order to secure their continued rain over a particular country. i mean some people look at us and say, you are being hyperbolic when you try to draw these analogies and yet the word unprecedented is used all of the time to talk about what we've seen since donald trump made it into the white house. >> yeah, and we've had a special you know, problem, thinking it can't happen here because of, you know we have the stool history, we relieve other people of their freedoms like in chile, you know in 2016 when i started writing about trump, some of the first people i heard from were people who had immigrated here and they said no, this can't be happening here. this is the place to freedom. so it's taken a long time for americans to feel that actually, this can happen here

george meloni came as such a radical... they call them post-fascists because they borrow the ideas of mussolini, promised to leave the european union, promised to leave nato, promised to return even the italian lira, but after the elections something went wrong, as a result the promised dolcevita, bellavita, beautiful, sweet life, became merdavita, i will not translate, but nevertheless, there are big political problems and the same northern italy really wants to leave not only the european union, but italy. and become a full-fledged autonomy, such a life with a tart taste, increasingly makes italians ask themselves the original russian question: who is to blame and what to do? over the past decades there have been different governments in our country, but they were never independent, everything was done according to the principle of an american colony, italian politicians, executors of someone else's will, the american one. mr. odessa is truly militant, when asked how things are, he answers, like an american colony, i will clarify, he does not represent the radical wing, it's just boiled over,

have become the master of europe, no, he went against us, it turns out that today, today, here is mussolinind hitler's idea of ​​a united europe - these are the first real projects of a single europe in the 20th century, my english friend john lockon simply wrote books about this, and he is a graduate of oxford, trinity college and so on, we even translated, that's why it all goes in a spiral, really, every time here is russia. here after the berlin congress, after our victory in the russo-turkish war, they came running to the berlin congress, but all the most important figures, just to shorten our victory. in order to reduce everything as much as possible after the first world war, they didn't take us, naturally, they took advantage of the revolution, so to speak , russia, margaret macmillan, loy george's great-granddaughter, published a wonderful study in 1919, how they wanted to fence themselves off, how they didn't do anything at all, after the second world war, in order to shorten our victory again, everything immediately, well, you know this whole story, how suddenly from allies we be

word, it goes back to the second world war but it is called corporate tiffism, what you saw in mussolini'sly, there was a unholy alliance and a few corporations and government that controlled the whole sphere. when i think of dangers what happened, i think of a corporativist environment. i don't want to get too fancy with the terminology but you know what i'm saying, right? >> david, you're absolutely right. in the book i said it is dangerous conceit in this book and all the periods we've gone through of anti-free speech efforts by the government to assume we're going to withstand this one. this is different. the alliance we're seeing here, sophistication of this alliance, the scope of it, we've never encountered before because of companies like facebook. by the way when zuckerberg said i'm really, really sorry about being silent, he wasn't silent. facebook had a commercial campaign that went on for years he tried to sell young people on embracing censorship. i wrote about that commercial campaign t was really creepy. they were focusing on young people. we have a generation of speech phobi

you go from playing in front of 20,000 people where you're like mussolini, and you jump into a car and in a new york state of mind ♪ >> born william martin joel, the 75-year-old took up the piano at age 4 following in the footsteps of his dad. >> my father was a trained classical pianist. my mother was a musician. we were exposed to broadway shows. we were exposed to classical music. i listened to pop music on the radio. we went to concerts. i liked it all. i liked all music. >> joel's father left the family when billy was 8, but armed with influences ranging from chopin to ray charles, joel set out for a life in music. what was the moment, billy, you thought this could be a career not just a hobby? >> one of my teachers told me that i should consider becoming a professional musician. it was my chorus teacher in high school. i was cutting class one day. i would go to the music room, and i was trying to play czerkawski's first piano concerto. ♪♪ and at the goes, you don't really know that piece, do you? no, i don't. i'm just doing it by ear. i said, please don't report me.u join my musi

and some of the language we've heard reminds me of mussolini, who in the late '20s he said -- he wasa whole program, no contraception, no abortion. also vance talks about penalizing people who don't -- it's not just that they're bad people. it's that you should actually as angela said use policy to penalize people who won't have kids. and so not only were there extreme controls under fascism on women's autonomy, taking away reproductive rights, but there was attacks on bachelors imposed in the late 1930s to punish men as well in the interest of growing the family and having more white christian babies. so although this is a blueprint for the future it's a blueprint that echoes the fascist past. >> ruth, let me play again j.d. vance's attack on women who make the choice not to have kids or families. >> we're effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made. and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. it's just a basic fact. you lo

a democratic or democratic strategists, please let him go on for another two hours, like benito mussolini or fidel dasha, just let them buy them on wind himself. and so the harris campaign is actually very smart here, saying little about this and just fact checking things related to israel. but i know the president's 71 campaign stops with them 11 days in the white house, but i did work with them for almost a year that is a frustrated and believe it or not, that is a frightened donald trump. he's looking at the poll numbers and was a big tell when he does the accordion thing and tells you how great he is doing in the polls. that's a big tell for him. he's not doing well in the polls. he knows that. and so that's another big lie. that he's saying from that podium. so let them keep talking. he'll dig a bigger hole for himself. >> and people will remember what i don't really want to go back to what was going on in this country, 2017 to january of 2021? all right, anthony, if you can stay with us, we're going to get in a quick break. you're watching their former president trump in palm beach,

motivated him to make this press conference and this sort, of if fidel castro got married to benito mussolini donald trump and this press conference today. that's the big brain of trump telling his people, look at me. i'm going to show you how it's done. by the way, he walks -- i don't know if he's still talking or not, but when he leaves that stage people are going to say to him, sir, you did such a great job and he'll think he did a great job today, but that stuff is a tired act in 2024. it's not going to work the way it did in 2016. >> jim messina, you've been invoked. the idea that harris is so unbothered by trump that she doesn't even mention the one bit of news he made and the debates, is to me, the greatest insult of all that the act is old and tired, not driving the conversation anymore. definitely not the campaign or the candidate with the momentum. the vice president does describe herself, she did in philadelphia tuesday night as the underdog. tell me what it means to you to do what anthony just said to run her own race. >> yeah. i think it's absolutely crucial as anthony said. the