the group isn't after nadine's friend. he gets away.adine isn't as lucky. >> i was in shock when they were actually doing it. i was scared because i didn't know where it was going to end. i didn't know what they were going to do. >> one of the attackers records with his cell phone as six others take turns wailing on him, using his body as a punching bag. here one of the teens drags him through the snow like a rag doll. >> he grabbed my right knee and was yanking it. kept on yanking. my knee still hurts to this day. >> nadine doesn't fight back because he knows if he does, it will only get worse for him. he thinks his only hope is help from a stranger. >> when they were putting me in the tree, i saw like three people walking by. i was trying to call them so they could help me. they all walked by like it was normal kids playing. >> finally when the assailants hang nadine on a fence, a woman who passed by earlier sees it and realizes this isn't just kids playing. >> she put me in her back seat of her car. she was like, don't worry about it

on my left and on your right is nadine strossen. nadine is the former head of the american civil liberties union. she is in my view the leading and most articulate spokesman about civil liberties in america and i think that's an understatement. she has frequent speaker both here in washington and around the world. and we look forward to your comments today. david rivkin is one of the most prolific writers. i think he is probably the most frequent columnist in the "wall street journal" writing about a variety of topics usually related to constitutional law and the role of the federal government. and he is -- in fact, it was one of his mini columns that sparked by interest in putting this event together today. just kind of randomly, we'll have nadine speak first. she'll have about 20 -- no, 15 minutes. david will follow with 15 minutes. they'll each have ten minutes after that. then i'll have a few questions and then we'll have questions from the audience. if our online viewers or our cspan viewers have questions, what is the -- @huds

now ask nadine, i keep hearing i will balance it differently? how would you do that?how would you know who needs to be investigated? you don't! you don't unless you do that kind of surveillance. >> i, let me just point to a long history that free data, what has been called the golden age of surveillance. if you ask anybody now in law enforcement or counterintelligence, are they better off now than they have been in the past? they would say, yes, they have an infinite amount of information about us and have been successful in foiling many counterterrorism plots, not to mention other law enforcement problems through the use of the techniques that are completely consistent with the fourth amendment. right after after after 9/11, former fbi director william webster was opposing extended government surveillance power under the patriot act even before we realize that the government in secret would extend that power even further beyond the plain language of the provision. he said look, when i was fbi director, he was also cia director, we were able to foil, he listed the num

on encryption, nadine and i agree. there is no connection between the government relecting the metadata and combining with it other information in the public domain from dozens of databases and using that to get suspects and bring in law enforcement . l i think the government should harden it up against cyber penetration but they have been doing that. the final point is this: i don't care if terrorism is number one or two threat. it is a huge threat. the government says if nothing else can be safe from our enemi enemies -- that is the number one function of the government. the only game in town we have is surveillance. we don't have, as in the cold war, our agents penetrating organizations. any professional will tell you that. and they don't defect unfortunately from al-qaeda or isis. sadly, they don't seem to be that driven by money and believe in it. so we don't have that. and by the way, we don't interrogate folks that much these days. it is not politically correct no matter what the standards are. so the only damn

just kind of randomly, we'll have nadine speak first. she'll have about 15 minutes. and then david will follow with 15 minutes. they'll each have ten minutes after that. then i'll have a few questions, and then we'll have questions from the audience. if our online viewers or our c-span viewers have questions, what is the -- @hudsonevents is the handle to send in questions. we're happy to take questions from our audience. with that, nadine. >> many thanks to harold for that gracious introduction and for arranging this program and thanks to all of the audience members for your time and interest in this important topic. i'm glad to once again share the podium with david. we have debated each other about this issue several times since 9/11. one such debate was for the su intelligence squared series way back in 2007 when we addressed the following provocative question. better more domestic surveillance than another 9/11? not surprisingly before the debate, most audience members voted against another 9/11 and hence for more surveillance. however, i am proud to say my debat

said and everybody who followed nadine did the same thing. the words, "hate won't win." it became a hash tag before she was out of the courtroom. >> the president acknowledged. let's talk about the southern poverty law center which says that they have recorded 900 hate groups last year. that a 14% rise from 2014. the kkk, black separatist groups they expanded the most of all of the groups. what is the law center saying contributed to this rise? what are they most concerned about? >> a couple of things. first of all, it's what some consider this demographic time bomb that's set to go off here in the year 2050, 2060 when the demographics in this country change dramatically. more to where we are at this moment, it's literally what we've seen over the last few years in the aftermath of the recession. you know this. you cover this every weekend, every day on your program. it's literally what's happened to middle class families, all the issues in this campaign right now and the fact that people in many cases are hoping for the life they had before

fundamentally, ladies and gentlemen, all we're talking about, nadine and i, is doing the same type thing in a different sphere for electronic surveillance and that's it. and why is it acceptable to go in the local bar and say, you know, have you seen anything strange happen. you heard people talking about robbing a warehouse. who were they? did you recognize them? that's all kosher. but doing the same type of data development through surveillance -- electronic surveillance and you can kick the tire on specific people you identify is somehow prohibited by the fourth amendment. it cannot be. >> well, i disagree with most of the details that david laid out, but i'm going to try to go to the core of your question. your name was edward, right? which is why do so many conservatives depart from the text of the constitution and the original intent and so many liberals do likewise depending on what the particular issue is, rather than consistently trying to honor both the text and the original meaning or understanding of the constitution. and i have some comfort to offer you, which is that on a n

this is junior defender nadine hag nettie, and she has a full head of steam going the length of the fielde here for her first career goal. terps win 12-9. they're your 2016 big ten champions. >> congratulations to them. >>> that is the news for now. nightly new >>> on this sunday night, dangerous storms. severe weather tearing through part of the country on this mother's day weekend, tornadoes, thunderstorms, hail, and it's not over yet. >>> out of control. that wild fire in canada is still growing, dangerously shifting in different directions, well over 1,000 homes destroyed, more threatened. >>> on the attack. exactly six months from election day, donald trump now attacking hillary clinton, as never before. >>> hackerville. inside the town in transylvania that is not only ground zero for cyber crime, but also for fighting it. >>> and the golden years. checking in with recent retiree american pharoah, living the good life and still earning millions, a year after winning the triple crown.

. >> they now return to judge nadine allen's courtroom where they will have the opportunity to apologize their actions or be sentenced to as many as 30 days in jail. >> under the higher revised code 2705 for misbehavior in the presence of or so near the court. at this time i do find that they were screaming in the hallway and in the courtroom after i advised them specifically that if they said one more word, shouted one more time, disrupted the court one more time i would find them in contempt. i'd like to give you the opportunity to speak and tell me why you should not be punished further than you have been. i'll start with christine. do you want to say anything today, ma'am? >> that's me. i apologize for my action. i'm still grieving. >> you're still grieving you said? >> yes. >> i understand you are grieving. >> and my emotions just got over me. but i do apologize. >> and ms. lott, ms. daniele lott? >> yes, ma'am. i'm so sorry for doing that in the courtroom. my emotions took over. and i should have never disrespected you. you are the judge. i should have respected you. this overnight

his death or vengeance but with remarkable grace, dignity, at times forgiveness from people like nadinether was killed. >> i just want everybody to know, to you, i forgive you. you took something very precious away from me. i will never talk to her ever again. i will never be able to hold her again. but i forgive you. you hurt me. you hurt a lot of people. but i forgive you. i forgive you. >> dylann roof is scheduled to stand trial in south carolina in january of next year. his federal court date has not been set. my mom loves giving me advice. she even gives me advice... ...about my toothpaste and mouthwash. but she's a dentist so...i kind of have to listen. she said "jen, go pro with crest pro-health advanced." advance to healthier gums... ...and stronger teeth from day one using crest toothpaste and mouthwash makes my... ...whole mouth feel awesome. and my teeth are stronger too. crest-pro health advanced... ...is perior to colgate totata.. ...in these 5 areas dentists check. this check up? so good. go pro with crest pro-health advanced. mom's right...again! don't let dust and allerg

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person can end up years in jail and of course we all know that the prisons do not rehabilitate anyone, nadineebilitate them. you can take someone harmless and put them in jail and they turn into an animal. times,he washington third us-mexico border hits a two-year high and som -- jeh johnson dispelling the haven myth. u.s. customs and border control says new figures released monday where the highest since july 2014, most of them on a company children from central america. washington journal will be on the u.s.-mexico border on june 1 and june 2, we will be talking about immigration from laredo, texas at the crossing where mexican and u.s. citizens cross back and forth. and then the next day on thursday, june 2, we will be talking about trade issues with u.s.-mexico relations. we will be at the world trade bridge where 6000 trucks cross monday. be sure to tune in and call in with their questions and comments. there is also this about president obama's historic trip to vietnam in the washington post this morning. lifted thebama has curb.urve -- the arms out of virginia, the washington times qui