when democrats take over, when nancy pelosi becomes speaker, which we assume will happen january 3, are you suggesting there might be some room to budge at least a little off that $1.3 billion? >> look, we're here to talk. obviously, i can't speak for pelosi. i know democrats have always been the adults in the room. unfortunately, president trump has been hard to negotiate with. if he listened to us and negotiated with us two years ago, he would have had $25 billion for a wall and we would have had the dream act. instead, he ended up listening to the worst elements of his cabinet. >> i want to ask you, his threat to close the southern border, his threat to withdraw foreign aid to those central american countries, do you take that seriously when he writes stuff like that? >> no. i think that's a bigger danger of the fact that no one takes this president serious. he is the boy that cries wolf a little too much. also, i think it's disturbing the president of the united states is holding the american economy hostage. there are problems with nafta. we have to renegotiate a lot of aspects of

house saying it has less to do with giv tg republicans $5 billion for the wall and more about nancy pelosi becoming speaker. we're in this for the long haul. and 800,000 workersut go wit paychecks. in the latest poll, % blame the president. >> the white house told us they were open to it and then they changed their mind the next day. >> reporte the border wall fight had an impasse. jennifer johnson, nbc news, washington. >> tonight contractors are also facing furloughs. but this is hting people whereth it hurts e most. >> reporter: for 21 year lylea johnson has cleaned toilets to put food on the table. she' lived through multiple shutdowns but this is the first time she'll have to go without one of her paycheck. >> i need to go back to work so i can earn money to put with money i have coming in to pay these bills. >> reporter: she is among the more than 3 million contractors working for the government. her part time custodial job supplements her social security income. she would have more than enough to get by if it was justher. but she's also got two growing boys to feed. the fear is coupled with

shutdown has lo do with giving the president $5 billion for the wall but more about ensuring nancy pelosi becom the new house speaker. >> if she cuts a deal, she is at risk of losing herp. speakers we're in it for the long haul. >> 800,000 federal workers are going without payches. in a new reuters poll, 47% of americans blame president trump. 33% blame democrats. even gop leaders are pointing the fingert. at the presid >> the senate passed the bill and did so because the white house said they were openo it and then they changed their mind the next day. >> at an impasse as keeneilsen traveled to the border. >>> this partial government shutdown isaving an impact on families' plans for the holiday weekend. >> many will try to get to the can. live at the national zoo with w this could impact the smithsonians in just a few days. >> reporter: this would definite have more of an impact as we move closer to january 2nd. but take a look at this. peopleave been sharing their thoughts on social media. one person even posted that he and his wifeere planning on visit for their anniversary but now have to m

we'll see if that changes once nancy pelosi becomes speaker. but he doesn't seem to be someone who has a track record of kingmaking, right? he tried in 2010, in 2014 to really shape what the congressional elections look like, unsuccessfully. there have been conversations, apparently, between himself and beto o'rourke and potentially other folks as well. it's going to be interesting to see how much weight that carries. i mean, i think this gallup poll is mostly a reflection of partisanship and other things. i don't know that that carries much weight, but it will be fascinating see where he comes down on this. in the midterms, he waited pretty late in the cycle and mostly backed people you might expect him to back, so i don't know how he really gets into this thing. >> i'm wondering, too, evan, just, what is the formula? do you have a sense just looking at trump's political standing where you see his vulnerabilities in 2020? what do you see is the formula that would be the most sellable for democrats in a candidate? do you see one? >> no drama an

so democrats at this point have no incentive to make a deal any quicker than when nancy pelosi becomes speaker. our federal workers and border patrol workers who are working without pay because they are not one of the agencies already funded, homeland security, 88% of essential personnel of homeland security has to work today with no pay. they are all caught up in this political brinkmanship and the president throwing a temper tantrum because he wants a deal now and he had a chance for a better deal and he didn't take it. >> he laid the line early despite saying in his campaign and saying for me feels for the so-called dreamers, the kids brought to this country with their parents who were undocumented. you're right, he did leave $20 billion for the wall on the table and some other immigration policy changes that he really wanted. so if he didn't change then, do you think there's any chance that the reality of a democratic house and other political realities coming ahead could change that? >> well, i think that he eventually is going to face the reality of the bad p.r. that this is. tha

have dawned on him that he was going to go to other agencies o find that money and, hey, once nancy pelosi becomespeaker of the house, i need to down down and s see. >> my executive producer in my ear told me chuck schumer is now meeting with vice president pence at the white house request, and that is happening right now. so here's a question for you, sheryl. the president was offered money for his wall before. should he have taken it? >> we do know that democrats desperately want to settle the fate of the so-called dreamers, they came here with their families when they were children and they are in limbo now because president trump has ended the daca program. so and the president has been such a mercurial negotiating partner, saying one thing, doing another and reversing himself, i think democrats are leary, they're about to field embod he was up here yesterday talking to republicans and no agreement came out that -- of that. and the president had lunch with people who have been really pushing for the wall funding. >> any prediction of how this thing ends or are you going to both stay away from

could be a better relationship between democrats and republicans working together wanted to see nancy pelosi become house speaker, she's well on her way. she isn't there, she has tomake vote in january to the speaker's gavel again.challenge party. there are a number who don't want her to give in to border wall and the president wants $5 billion for the border wall. and where do we go, and there could be a shutdown on the second. >>> we know you'll watch this closely and we'll check in with you throughout the morning. >>> new this morning, time magazine just announced its person of the year and instead of a single perpendicular, time has elected a group t time chose a group of journalists whose work landed them in jail or they were killed. take a look, this special edition of time is called the guardians and the war on truth. time magazine is publishing four different covers, one of them features journalist jamal khashoggi and another features a staff of the capitol gazette of the er that was the target newsroom in maryland. the time was made on the announcement on abc's today show, your journalists

no doubt that this process bacecomes increasingly more difficult for president trump once nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house and democrats take control of the house. it seems more and more likely if they find this funding, it won't come in some form of direct congressional authorization. in other words, the white house is going to try to get creative with their budgeting tactics and find that money elsewhere. could it come in the form of a line-item veto that is just for broad security and they use it to pay for a border wall or do they find money from other departments, ask cabinet secretaries to find funding in their budgets and turn that into funding for the bored ader wall? that's difficult, not an easy process, but it seems to be one of the only few options that president trump has left if president trump is going to make good on his promise to build a physical wall along the southern border. >> coming up, new reports that facebook was sharing users' private messages with other tech companies. hear how they're responding. here we go. discover. i like your card, but i'm absolutely n

>> i'm looking to see if donald trump and nancy pelosi become b.f.f.s or how much that relationship breaksown, that everything is completely stalemated. >> i love the dynamic of donald trump and a woman with a lot of power. >> yeah. >> i'm looking how the moved up california primary leaves democrats campaigning on the left. >> great point. >> early bouts will go out in iowa. it's a massive state and eric garcetti. see how it turns out. >> aside from the president's twitter feed and developments from the mueller investigation, i'll be watching the larger economy. this is a big reason heading into the big election. you head back to 2016 and a lot of people with the clinton, trump face, i can forgive the personal things. if the economy takes a dip, it doesn't do as well by the end of 2019, that's a big problem for donald trump. >> 2018 is the quiet before the storm even though -- >> i sadly agree with you. >> for me, being you know a democrat, i will be looking at the primary at the presidential primary. i'm really excited about it. it's going to be diverse and i think it's a wide open field.

. >> mike, with the assumption that nothing will happen until nancy pelosi becomes speaker, how quickly could this get fixed or how quickly could an agreement come? could this go far into january? >> i'm glad you asked that. i think it's time we start looking around the corner and seeing how this will play out. because of the way the house is structured can do this in no time. she can do it in less than an afternoon and have limited amount of debate. whatever they decide on on the other side of the capitol to the senate. then the pressure is on senate republicans. they tried to pass the house bill. they fell well short. here is a couple of things we haven't taken into consideration. flake and corker were against the house bill. they are gone. there are two more republican senators who have come in after victories in the mid-terms or will be coming in starting january 3rd. a vote count gets very, very close there in terms of getting to 50. they are likely going to have to get to 60 so the votes won't be there. a lot of pressure will be on mitch mcconnell and senate republicans. the ball

nancy pelosi isn't yet speaker of the house. and i think people haven't really acknowledged the politics of the speakership race that, you know, once nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house, the democrats will then have more leverage to negotiate with the trump white house. but the trump white house needs anywhere north of $1.8 billion for funding for the border wall. they're willing to probably accept something less than $5 billion for construction of the border wall, but they need to move somewhere because 2020 is on the horizon, and president trump needs a victory here and the democrats don't want to give it to him even in the slightest. >> you know, kelly, there's been a lot made about the president's kind of shifting position on all of this. you know, right now he is putting all the blame on the democrats but we have to remember that he originally said that he would take responsibility for the shutdown. we also know that the senate passed the continuing resolution. the vice president went to capitol hill and told senate republicans that the president would sign it. he then went back on that deal that caused the shutdown. now he's demanding all t

they'll start making legislative moves when nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house. try to jam mcconnell and the president on that. she does not have a problem with votes for her speakership. she doesn't have a problem with her base. chuck schumer doesn't have a problem with his base. they feel like their respective caucuses and rank and file, while most of them don't want to be in a shutdown are behind them in this strategy because they feel they're in a good place. >> trying to peel nancy pelosi and chuck schumer apart, i've been told by white house advisers that that's something that he is going to try to do and will fixate on. i think we'll see that time and time again. i don't know that he will be effective in that. >> they were pretty united. >> you'll see that for months to come, a month out, trying to crow ate distance between pelosi and schumer and see if they can force a wedge there. >> trump knows schumer, going back to his days in new york. we'll have to end it there. >>> a second migrant child dies in u.s. custody and president trump blames the democrats

. >> connell: so they get to january 3rd and nancy pelosi becomes yet again speaker of the house. she passes the bill in the house of representatives hypothetically that does not include any money for the border wall. how does that all play out from there in early january? >> president trump said he will not sign any bill that does not include the spending for the border wall. so even if the house democrats are able to pick over the bill like that and it goes to the senate, the senate republicans have shown that they are much more amicable to the legislation that included less funding for the border wall. but even if they are willing to do it, president trump asked to sign it. democrats have the upper hand in the negotiations because president trump already came out and said, i take responsibility for any government shutdown. i would be proud to shutdown the government -- >> connell: that's how this whole thing started out. is there any off-ramp that allows president trump to get out of this weather it's later next week, or next month, that he has -- can cut a deal that doesn't an

until we get back to the fact we'll have a clean cr or it's going to shut down and then when nancy pelosi becomesaker on january 4th, you'll have less leverage than we have now. >> let's go broader and talk about congress as a whole and the lack of bipartisan. what do you think was the impetus for this? when did things get to a point when the other side could not talk to the other? was it in the '90s with president clinton? more recently with bush or obama? what happens with dysfunction the way we see it today? >> steve kornacki does a good job of outlinie ining tribalism because the movement in american politics. when president trump was sworn in, it became really politically safe for democrats just to resist at all costs and trump, i think, more than any other president really owns the base of his party unlike any recent president. >> i think the other point i'd like to make is that over the past two years there's been some bipartisan accomplishments but what defines us now is what we're opposed to. if you're a conservative republican, you're in safe police spac political space. it will be inte

do democrats have a vested interest in trying this out as long as they can until nancy pelosi becomes speaker? >> is really less about what the democrats have in terms of a vested interest. leland: this is washington. i was trying to get what they want. >> politically it's opening up government. democrats and republicans in the senate without a recorded vote because that was the extent of the bipartisan agreement. pass the bill the cat german open until february. february is much better. it's in everybody's interest to have to continue the resolution and let's take a order while debate, which i oppose the border wall, but take it up in the context of full comprehensive immigration reform. leland: that has been tried many times without success as we know. you don't have a long-term to go home but it doesn't seem like you have much faith this is going to get done before christmas. >> i don't think this is going to happen before christmas and i hope they get done before the new year but that seems less and less likely based on mulvaney. leland: conceivably it could be nancy pelosi doesn'

but that's quickly going to give way to the political reality, particularly when nancy pelosi becomesker in just a few days. >> when it comes to a compromise here, you have karl rove, a republican consultant arguing in the"the wall street journal" th if democrats and republicans cannot compromise, both sides will lose. is that wishful thinking? isn't there a loser when it comes to this? >> well, even mitch mcconnell said i believe a week or two ago that government shutdowns aren't good for any particular party. right now the republican party is still in charge. if speaker ryan wanted to bring folks back in the house and the same in the senate, they could do that in an attempt to address this issue. the problem, is frances, they don't have the votes, even with the republican party. that's a fair point from karl rove when the democrats take control of the house, the americans are going to expect them to do something. it's not enough to say we don't agree with the president, therefore, we won't do anything at all. people want compromise. they want to see washington work and right now it'

january, it would seem that they have very little motivation to negotiate until presumably nancy pelosi becomesects a shutdown to last two years, and being in charge of the house of representatives brings a bit of responsibility to negotiate with the president. so this is going to end, it's just a question of when and how. jon: but it could go into the new year. >> yeah, that seems to be what everyone is expecting. jon: and in terms of the senate, the republicans are going to have bigger numbers in the senate. so it's kind of a mixed bag. democrats take over the house, republicans have bigger numbers in the senate coming up. which is of greater benefit to the president and his negotiating position? >> well, in the senate the number that really matters is 60, which is enough to move to a vote. republicans won't have quite 60 votes. certainly, the change in the house control is more significant here. democrats are currently blocking this in the senate, and they would continue to do so. and, of course, they will have the house majority in the new year. jon: steven nelson, white house reporter at t

the unfortunate reality is nothing is going to get done until nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house on the 3rd, and when they come back to their normal business hours. they're on vacation. that matters to them more than being in washington, working for the american people and i'm glad at least the president is willing to stay in washington and say let's talk it out, let's have these meetings, there should be no new years parties at any of these people lawmakers should be going to. unfortunately, they all said my vacation is more important than the american people, the taxpayers, and the government workers. >> keith, what about that? because there is something to what is being said here, that you have 800,000 people, who are facing real uncertainty and crisis in their lives as a result of this political divide and the democrats, yeah, they're not in town, they're not there, and they've gone home. >> yes, this is a tragedy, 800,000 people, federal government employees who are without jobs or who are working without pay. this is a problem that the republican congress created with a rep

when congress flips and nancy pelosi becomes the speaker of house, they have all the control. >> she said the first week of january we will be passing legislation to open up government. now it's going to be a democrat ended shutdown when nancy pelosi reopens the government after the beginning of the year. so donald trump may end up losing all of his political leverage. >> trump's got two choices and none are good. he will have to capitulate, or he will have to double down on shutting it down and he will completely own this shutdown for a second time. >> right. >> neither option is good. you're either going to alienate his base, or he'll look weak. >> i want to go over bonnie schneider. there's stuff about forecast for the rest of the holiday week, right bonnie? >> after a very quiet christmas eve and christmas day weatherwise, things are ramping up. we have 19 million people at risk for severe weather, mainly in central and east texas. we even run the risk of tornados there today, that includes the city of austin. heavy rain will engulf much of the region, mississippi, louisiana and

pressure starts coming from the constituents, themselves, and maybe that is not until january 3rd, nancy pelosi become speaker of the house, so she is relieved of that political pressure, we have a divided government where compromise is required to get something done, as opposed to just a nice ideal. my sense is that it could go on a little while, but you have the ingredients for a deal in the not-too-distant future. >> trish: hopefully that happens. it is good to see you. it is good to talk to you anyway. >> happy new year. >> trish: congratulations on your new position, senator elect on north dakota. they're battling, you have some folks asking vasco for nearly $22 trillion we have in federal debt. it is a biggie. arch laffer is one of them. his next. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? (vo) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (vo) a two-year study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiovas

of course, wolf, that becomes much more difficult for the president in the new year with nancy pelosi becomingd the democrats taking control of the house of representatives. but that appears to be a fight that the white house is willing to take on. they're just going to wait until the new year to begin that process, so as it stands right now, wolf, there is hope that this deal will get done and the government will stay open. >> all right. we'll see what happens. ryan, thanks very much. >>> coming up, new questions emerging right now about one-time trump national security adviser michael flynn's contacts with the russians, including a man who used to be vladimir putin's pop diplomat here in the united states. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate helps you. with drivewise. feedback that helps you drive safer. and that can lower your cost now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? . . . >>> tonight, as former national security adviser michael flynn weights in a legal limbo before finding out whether he will go to prison for lying to the fbi, new questio

nancy pelosi may have something on her hands. the roll call is showing at least 15 democrats are holding firm on their opposition to nancy pelosi becoming the next speaker of the house. she can only afford to lose 17 votes. counselor to the president kellyanne conway suggesting that congresswoman pelosi may not be able to risk the political fallout making a deal with the present. watch it. >> this president is willing to work across the aisle with leader schumer and with speaker pelosi. she also has a critical decision to make. she does not have the votes to, necessarily, for speaker. it's really tough for her to get them. why does she promise these democrats in her caucus to becoe speaker? >> harris: we are hearing that there is video what's going on in the room, we are expected to get there very soon. we will play it as we get it. the optics of doing business with the president. what do you make of it? >> jason: doesn't bode well for nancy pelosi. this joint statement is fundamentally flawed. they say they don't have the votes in the senate and the house. they have already passed in the house, that $5 billion. so they do have the vote

democrats know the base is behind them and rank and file behind them and nancy pelosi becomes speaker january 3rd. they're willing to hold out in their current position. you talk to republicans on capitol hill, they're frustrated. in the senate, they signed off on a stop-gap measure rejected by the president. the president is the wild card. he has made it clear he wants the fight, he believes the people are behind him on this fight, he believes this is a political issue for him and he's not backing down either. so i guess the big question comes if nobody feels the pain, if nobody feels like they're losing, how does this actually end? i can tell you right now talking to the staffers who are working behind the scenes to try to figure out a solution here to the except any work is being done, not only do they not know the way out of this or solution to this, they don't know how long this is going to take. i was talking to somebody earlier today who said look, you need to change your perspective on this. this isn't about how many days this will last, this is turning into a question of week

the administration might offer in the near term and more concerned what they will do when nancy pelosi becomesker january 3rd. what i'm being told is democrats are planning on lobbing over a series of bills to reopen the government. a short-term stopgap bill, a bill that would fund all the appropriations bills save for the one that would include the wall money. they're going to try and jam senate republicans and try and force the president's hand here. the big thing you need to keep in mind, senate republicans have been burned on a short-term measure before. they have made clear, they're not moving on anything till the president says what he's for and that more than anything else is why people think it will take longer than a few days. it might take a few weeks into phil, thanks very much for being with us. >>> perspective now from opposing points of view, former trump white house director of legislative fairs mark short, symone sanders who asked on did the at the busy presidential campaign. welcome to you both. mark, the president initially said he would own a shut down. now he is squarely bl

. >> anita: into the new year, nancy pelosi becomes speaker and we know that president trump is insistingthere with money for the wall once nancy pelosi becomes speaker? >> i think there are signs of wiggle room. the acting chief of staff for the president said this very weekend that they are talking about lowering the amount that they want so the president has asked for $5 billion in wall funding. just to put that in perspective, $25 billion is what he ultimately wants. he could come down to just a fifth of that. $5 billion and said this is -- this is the thing. this is what i want and now mick mulvane ye saying they're getting closer to that for things that aren't a wall. it comes down to semantics somewhat. is it a fence, is it a wall? ultimately, the white house seems like it's in a position to make some deals. democrats, on the other hand, don't. this very week, we see this christmas eve message released by chuck schumer and nancy pelosi saying that the president is not giving them certainty and government workers are out of work because of the president. if that's a big problem to d

you are criticising the democrats chuck schumer believes democrats and the scented, and nancy pelosi will becomeker and the house of representatives. the pope has appealed for brotherly love between people of all races, nations and religions, to help solve the conflicts of the world. in his traditional christmas message, he said differences were not a danger, but a source of richness. the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, used his christmas sermon, to speak of peace and unity, at a time of challenge and discord. here's our religious affairs editor, martin bashir: with the basilica bathed in sunshine, pope francis began his address by asking, what is the universal message of christmas. it is, he said, that god is a good father and that we are all brothers and sisters, common humanity, despite our ethnic and cultural differences. translation: by his incarnation, the son of god tells us that salvation comes through love, acceptance and respect of this poor humanity of ours, which we all share in a great variety of languages and cultures. he followed this with a litany of nations at enmity, fr

>> i think the activity we can expect to see is when nancy pelosi becomes speaker, she's going to swiftlyss one of three funding proposals that she knows will get through the house, at least some of which has already passed the senate in the last congress. so very likely an attempt to push a funding bill right on the president's desk and really force his hand on whether he signs it or not. i think that's the next move here but you're right, since that december 11th meeting with the president and nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, there's been very little talk. also, keep in mind that chuck schumer's not the leader in the senate. that is mitch mcconnell. we have not heard him at all in this and perhaps that's a sign of just how little republicans are interested in trying to cross the president and trying to push him to say, you know what, maybe this isn't the fight we should be having right now. i think the absence of mitch mcconnell has been the most striking in all of this. >> you mentioned mitch mcconnell. jay, if the house and senate agrees to a deal that does not include border wall fund

nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house.ound that democrats sort of taking the guidance, napoleon said when your enemy is destroying themselves don't interfere. >> they have been disciplined about doing that. we saw democrats being disciplined during the mid-term elections and focusing on health care and not taking the bait when president trump said provocative things. that task gets more and more difficult as they take control as investigations begin and a half-dozen house committees under new democratic chairs and this will be one of the big tasks, i think, for speaker, soon-to-be speaker period low circumstance which is to keep control of her troops, to keep their eye on the ball, to keep democrats from overreaching where republicans overreached with the clinton impeachment in 1998. republicans are counting on democrats to overreach and to give them an opening for a come back and the question will be can they avoid doing that? >> that's a good question. garrett, as the madness continues, the pressure on democrats back in

nancy pelosi may become speaker, democrats will take power in the house.mp has to decide how do i navigate in this new world? his instinct is to fight, to do combat at 6 a.m. on twitter until the end of the day. is there a reassessreassessment? don't know. wouldn't bet on it. this is a moment of choices. >> you know, john, everybody watching, the wrong thing to take away is that this is an ode to a bygone era. the reason they're celebrated is because it's what is our american public and political life. it's a tough media climate, tough political climate, we're so divided in lots of ways but i think the pageantry today was the enduring pageantry. >> the point that the bushes have become a pariah in the republican party, california tells things early, the anti-tax movement, even in the days of pete wilson, the republican party just got wiped out in california. why? a lack of decency, a lack of common ground ash lack of treatment of immigrants with respe respect. so what decision does other republicans make at this moment? are they going to stay on team trump

think the president somewhere in his mind because he always needs an enemy believes that if nancy pelosi does becomein charge he will actually be able to blame her for this, but i just don't think that that is going to work. >> what about that -- that threat on twitter this morning, rick, the president saying quote, he's going to close the southern border perhaps if they don't build the wall? >> it's doubtful that he would do that. he certainly could do that. i think his base would like that but there's a lot of people that would suffer over that and it would be businesses and commerce that put billions of dollars across the border in trade every single day and then there's also the idea of migrant workers who are illegal and the companies who depend upon them. it's another constituency that he'll alienate. >> how do you see this shoutdown playing out? >> i agree with rick that if he actually follows through on this threat that it hurts businesses. it just doesn't hurt people trying to cross the border but truthfully, again, whether it's a wall, whether it's slats, whether it's the camouflage dome t

it is nancy pelosi has become donald trump's fall. is that what you see? >> that was an incredible moment where trump tried to suggest that pelosi is in a weak negotiating position because she is in the middle of a speakership race. but i don't think that is quite the case. she seems to really have wrapped up the democratic support she needs and looks to become the next speaker. she called his bluff right on camera as he was trying to call hers. i think trump is in a difficult position for the reasons that chris pointed out that the members voting on this loss because of trump and may therefore be reluctant to help him secure one of his priorities which is the border wall. pelosi is coming in with the wind at her back. >> ten days, as much as everyone would love for congress to beat a deadline for once, ten days is a long time for everyone to puff up their chests before they reach a deal which always is as the jet fumes are flying. thank you. >>> coming up, we will take you back to federal courthouse in new york. michael cohen waiting to hear his fate. hea

is that the strategy, nancy pelosi becomes speaker on the 3rd of january and gets more leverage?roblem arose in the senate, where the senate refused to accept the legislation that the house of representatives put out, which did not deal with many of the issues the democrats want. the reality is that there is a compromise available. in fact, there was one in 2013 that came out of the senate, the house refused to take that up. that adds $40 billion for border security, visa work in the central american countries, but that wasn't even up for a vote or even a hearing in the house of representatives. bottom line of this is we need to work this out, we need to work it out right away because this is a problem for america when a major part of the government doesn't function. connell: let me talk to you a little bit in a moment about what a deal might look like, but we are getting tweets from the white house it seems like one per segment, the way the show's working out. they all seem to be on topic. this one, i will have you react. it just came in a couple minutes ago from president trump

they see it as last chance to get border wall funding before nancy pelosi becomes speaker.s are not there to get that kind of bill passed. so we'll see. neil: i guess you're right. hadley, one of the things i was seeing the president could claim some victory here saying he got mexicans to house a lot of migrants whose paperwork is being adjudicated in the united states to see who gets to stay in the united states and who doesn't. that is a huge victory, take with that, run with that. even though he didn't get wall funding right now. he got that. you could make the argument that is even better. >> one of the basics of negotiation. if you get what you first askinged for you can claim a step in the right direction, you can claim policy success. when it talked about a government shutdown, neil, feel like we're in the movie "groundhog day." are they making it or come up with a spending bill today. a lot of people shrugged this off, our lawmakers yet again putting politics ahead of basic government operations and responsible budgeting? that is unfortunate but just a symptom of th

is the strategy to wait for nancy pelosi to become the speaker so they can rail against democrats ando blame this on democrats? >> yeah, i think that's what they're going to try to do. donald trump is a terrible negotiator. i don't know when people are going to get that through their head. he is a bad negotiator. ask the farmers who are losing billions of dollars on soybeans, for example. in the very regions of the country where he won his biggest votes. yes, they will try to blame nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi will be willing to be blamed. to use donald trump's language she'll take the mantle and throw it back on him because as you were pointing out just a few minutes ago the polling clearly shows that by and large the american people don't want to spend, and it's not 5 billion. if you do everything donald trump wants to do, it's $25 billion. they don't want to do that. it's a ridiculous argument partly because there already is fencing or -- along a whole lot of the border. i think nancy pelosi is just as donald trump has trolled the entire political system has barely budged from the na

may be going into a situation in the beginning of the year where they hand the gavel to nancy pelosi, she becomeshouse and the government is still shut down over all of this. >> that's right. what will change on january 3rd is democrats will take control of the house. the president's statement you read there was a high word-to-content ratio, but what he seemed to be saying if you boil it down was that it will be status quo, anti in the senate. he wants to put pressure on charles schumer, minority leader, to make a deal because he still will be the minority leader. what changes in the power in the house, and he is saying incoming speaker pelosi has the power to make a deal now and acknowledges she has the power potentially to make a better deal later. democrats will have to make a deal at some point. to ron's point, there was a comprehensive deal on the table before. republicans didn't take it. now this deal is about not just getting the border funding but democrats trying to bring republicans to heel. >> he is looking at a situation where he could potentially get a fraction of what he could have

nancy pelosi will become the speaker of the house. republicans who, again, control both houses up here, at least until the third, have essentially punted on this. the house and senate were sent home. there was no deal to be had. democrats went back to their districts or went on vacation or what have you and democrats will say, they've had no outreach from the white house. this has been such a bizarre shutdown and both sides have been essentially talking to their own bases, not to each other, and democrats in particular feel like they don't know exactly what the president wants and until he comes to them with one consistent message, one consistent thing he's willing to support, they're fairly comfortable sitting back and waiting to see what the president's negotiations with himself on twitter will produce. >> well, that leads us to, thank you, garrett haake, i appreciate that. we want to go to robert costa, with us, national political reporter for the "washington post," hans nichols is at the white house for us. so to that question, ha

nancy pelosi. you will with here for a long time, a decade. it should become speaker as is expected at this point, what will she bring to the table having been speaker before? what has she learned that she will apply? she: her strengths are that was one of the most successful speakers in american history. whichritics of the way in congress operates. able to play different roles. she is not like the president. she is not supposed to be. her job is to manage the democratic caucus and she does that in parallel fashion. it is like trying to herd chickens. it has many factions in it. together --et them she says if he did not have 218 votes do not have a conversation. she is to figure out how to make that caucus a coherent and productive unit. she was able to do that. she was able to do that under republican president when we pass financial rescue legislation area we passed stimulus registered -- legislation. as well as a democratic president, under obama. she has to represent the house of representatives and congress, that is her role. that means standing up to the

in national news...house minority leader nancy pelosi is one step closer to becoming step closer to weekendady for the more rain is ready for the weekend. in national news...house minority leader nancy pelosi is one step closer to becoming speaker of the house ... again. the democrat from san francisco says, she has completed a deal with some of her fellow democrats who were trying to block her from taking the leadership role. the deal would give pelosi another fou years as house leader .... and essentially act as a bridge to new generation of lawmakers. as part of this agreement, pelosi is also backing a proposal to introduce term limits for other house leadership positions.the speaker vote is set for january third. ((2shot))((pam)) in an interview with fox news, president trump repeatedly tried to distance himself from the case against his former attorney michael cohen-- who is headed to prison.((ken))the president says the man some people called his "fixer" is responsible for his own actions.c-n-n's jeff zeleny explains. president trump:"let me tell you -- i never directed him to do anyt

. >> do you think that nancy pelosi becomes more willing to compromise to negotiate for real when sheot of pressure, from the newer members, that are coming into the house of representatives, and they want open borders. >> look i think it is very much in open question, both parties are playing to base the president playing to his base, by saying i need to have five billion dollars to build the wall i promised in the campaign, and democrats in congress saying zero for the wall now because they are playing to their base which is the hard left and democratic party invigorated last academician i don't think either party services itself well having a narrow strategy both parties would be better off if they found way to compromise on this issue motive to bigger more important things. >> very much agree karl this is dr. "mik" here to look at trump's rhetoric especially on twitter social media he wants this wall built very aggressive he calls out the crime, all statistics, do you think part of that aggressive rhetoric worked against him getting this wall down he said three years ago was a pos

how -- alsot for nancy pelosi if she becomes the speaker again.atalina: seung min gave us a great overview. i will go back every now and then and touch on what our speakers say. to paint amin seem negative picture of anything getting done. what do you think? ben: i think she is largely right. i think it is going to be hard to see a lot of rose garden legislativemake accomplishments coming from trump and this congress. partly because we have an energized democratic base. democrats do not want to give trump any big victories. trump does not really know how to be a bar partisan dealmaker -- bipartisan dealmaker. rev up thetion is to base. as we head into 2020, we will see a lot of that him him, and maybe not moving a lot through legislative policy but through executive actions. i think it will be interesting to see what legislation the house democrats pass. agenda thatause the the party out of power creates when they are out of power is often what becomes their agenda in power. we are going to see the bread crumbs of what democrats would do if they r

that we have a gangster president. , andng stuck on al capone that is why i'm so elated about nancy pelosi becomingpeaker of the house. ofthe other governing parts hisgovernment cannot -- income taxes -- if donald trump is not investigated for income tax evasion he will be the next president. if he is investigated on income tax invention desk evasion, that will be his downfall. -- evasion, that will be his downfall. host: let's get some more information about what is going on with this case. we have brad heath, investigative reporter from "usa today." what can you tell us? guest: a lot was going on last night. , and pretty remarkable, two criminal investigations going on around the president, one overpayments to women before the 2016 election and the other over election interference collided yesterday in the case of his former lawyer. the justice department when so far as to say for the first time that they believe president trump directed michael cohen to commit two campaign-finance felonies. five minutes later, special counsel mueller puts in a filing with the budget information he did not have b

reporting, any movement whatsoever or do we expect this to go all the way to january 3rd when nancy pelosi becomes the house >> we certainly should expect this to go into the new year because the democrats have no incentive to negotiate as trump wants them to and the reality is we see polling showing most voters is blaming trump for the shutdown. most voters want democrats to do what they said they want hem to do which is campaign against using taxpayer money to fund this wall, that no research, no supporters have said will actually do what trump argued it will do. >> eugene, thank you so much. we appreciate it. we'll have a lot more reporting on the government shutdown just ahead as congress returns and the president continues to dig in as nancy pelosi gets prepared to take over the speaker's gavel. and it took hear week but the secretary of homeland security is finally answering a key question that many believe she should have been able to answer while on capitol hill but last thursday she couldn't do it. we'll also bring in bob woodward and walter isaacson. "morning joe" back in a moment. the m

nancy pelosi becomes speaker of the house and then she has to rule her unrieuly caucus.rlie's point. we don't know what victory looks like for democrats in this scenario. they accept part ownership of the government shutdown. if 2 they can't reopen the government on terms they think are favorable to their base, they have to go back to the president and explain how they want to cut a deal now after 11 days of refusing to budge an inch. i think the spector hanging over nancy pelosi is difficult heading into the next few days. she's a very skilled politician. she has a very different caucus to understand going into this new year. and it looks very different than it has in years past. years past she passed security supplementals bigger than any security spending bill we've seen. returning back the rules to speaker -- back the role to speaker pelosi will be have interesting. dagen: as much as i hate the tariffs and i think it's hurting the few -- hurting the ma'am to help the few -- hurting the many to help the fuel, but we brought in more than $5 billion in tariff revenue in

for a government shutdown or partial shutdown into the new year, it will likely happen after nancy pelosi becomes't see any figure between 1 and 5 billion being reached. all or nothing. just the fact that he is fighting shores up trump's base for 2020. if there wasn't a fight. if he actually agreed on the very first spending bill that they basically sent to him, you know, there would not be a second term. that's the fight we are seeing right now. as long as democrats don't want to give up on give trump a political victory, we are going to see a partial shutdown for at least into the new year. >> anita: okay. and as i said, both sides really seem dug in. we have some sound from both sides. let's hear first from congressman sis lien on border security funding. >> this notion of like this is urgent, i need the money. the president has $1.6 billion that he hasn't spent yet. let's just be smart about it democrats are as committed to border security as republicans democrats are as committed to border security as republicans. is that a fair statement? >> at this moment it doesn't seem like a fair statem

what happens when nancy pelosi becomes speaker? what happens next?ween the time we have a new speaker and the state of the union, they do not want to sit there and listen to the president for an hour or two on a national televised audience go out and make that discussion. i think they will strike some deal between then. griff: you know it's going to hard to make progress. do you put daca on the table to sweeten it to get democrats to move. >> the president has already gone way out there on this. i think the president needs to pound on that daily basis the moral imperative to build the wall and to curb all these negative things that are coming without a wall. and i would also just on a daily basis say let's do what our law enforcement wants to do. let's do what the border patrol wants to do. they want the wall. pete: bully pulpit might be the biggest leverage. katie: you sat down with sam johnson. going to give us a preview of that now and look at the entire thing later in the show jason jason congressman sam johnson beloved american hero. he is one o

speak,ou come on and many say nancy pelosi is likely to become the next speaker. t speaker. and your take on his legacy. john: i wrote a column yesterday about it. mr. bush, and there are controversies around any president. anyone who has been in public we have a debt of gratitude to him. as a historian you like to look at the balance presentation. he had a

become speaker of the house in 2015. but, he didn't seek re-election this year, and nancy pelosi is expected to become house speaker when it's called in january. >>> and there are reports that london breed has asked governor brown to release her brother from prison. the san francisco chronicle reports her 46-year-old brother has applied to have his 44 year sentence commuted. the mayor's letter is one of several from family memphis with messages of support. he burned a wife from a get- away after an armed robbery. she was hit by a drunk driver. we called in for comment on this. >>> we have new information on a person who killed and woman on hill. it's a 2007 or 2008 honda civic. it's difficult to see, you can tell in the video, the driver gets out of the car and looks down the street and gets back in the car and drives away. >>> the time is 5:06, new video of a tesla model s that caught fire in the south bay, twice in one day. look at the second fire, right here, now the first fire happened at a tire shop in los gatos 2:00 yesterday afternoon. hours after it was put out, it caught fire again, after it was towed to a car