so that is the narrative. it is extraordinarily diverse and multifaceted. >> if the majority of the electorate came from the constitution and how did that pass quick. >> great question. [laughter] it was inevitable that it would a couple of states voted against ratification rhode island, new hampshire was going to but they managed to adjourn it was incredibly close so in new york and virginia 89 / 79 massachusetts if one or two ahead rejected there is a good chance the union could not be successful. euclidean say it was read day of a little bit if you were inclined. [laughter] one was of media or the press there were 90 newspapers at the time only 12 would publicize any significant amount of the anti-federalist literature newspapers were published to entirely in cities even a 90% lived outside of the city and the subscribers and advertisers overwhelmingly supportive of ratification they bled to withhold their subscriptions and advertising if they dared to publish any essays part of that was the non in pennsylv

their point is not so much just an alternative narrative. it's about facts and about what's real and what's not. we can talk about that more. on extremism, and i think what is required is to not, you know, kind of patronizing tone sometimes and how we talk to audiences about this. everybody comes back to the two most things we can do is reveal what the reality is. i think we take for granted that people in other countries know how bad these guys are. people who are traveling to syria and iraq did not know what it was like to be there and part of what we were able to do is start publicizing what is like to live under. the people who had went and got the solution. the nature of governance, that alone contributes to diminishing the foreign fighter flow, getting out the real story of what happened in knowing you're not speaking to people in the united states. you have to convey this to other countries. frankly to do that, you have to be willing to work with people we disagree with about a lot of those things. i used to get speakers programs into

it's a clear narrative.hat is still important but i also think that as they mature and get older they start having different issues. that's one of the things that this book does. and what i argue in the other book is that there are two revolutions frontier we find all of those stamp acts. in overturning those policies. it's a very different story. comfort gates that more well-known narrative. to show that america was always a very diverse a place has a place in the education system. we always had to remember and not forget it. i think one other things that have thrown out not just as the glorious thing but as a war. that part of the human toll. the american revolution was an extra nearly messy affair. there's all these different diplomatic entries. the grandeur of the american revolution. i will kick off one to you the panels discussed the paper money did foreign affairs help lead to the connect convention. they have very different views. a lot of the framers they thought they were always going to get subjec

putting forth alternative narrative.ometimes the most powerful message that doesn't have to directly take on a terrorists narrative. it's one that lifts up the things people care about in other countries. entre pru knewal work, you'll look at the united states and you see people who are your age who are accomplishing enormous things and creating the tools changing your lives. we want to take entrepreneurs around the world. so that embassy can use that as tool to engage with entrepreneurs around the world. even sense of grievance they may have in terms of improving their own lives. our traditional programs are good but they are expensive. what we can use is online net works that have several hundred thousand people in southeast asia and latin american to use that to include fellowship program to bring people her. people in africa new that president obama care about young people and interested to what they have to say. then those people became their own network so if a crisis took place like the ebola la crisis we have peo

on countering narratives of others. people have an inherent right to accurate information and acknowledge that this is a battleground of ideas and world views. we can defend post world war ii and multi-lateralism. this could provide a framework to address such a vision. in terms of tools, pd tactics to counter this information need to be revamped. the white house and state department should work with congress on legislation to support public resource and stable public diplomacy platforms and programs in countries and regions most affected by disinformation campaigns. in terms of research, the state department needs to do a better job of listening to target audiences to understand their needs and the impact of pd programs and messaging efforts. this means partnering with local ngos who understand these audiences better. audiences consistently request not only news but also entertainment in local languages, such as russian, so they are not dependent on russian entertainment and absorbing the russian world view in the proc

how formative wasn't for you and how did that clash with the narrative's you were reading about? so when does that clash see with what you are seeing on the ground? >> so my first encounter i went on an exchange program in place at the red cross in siberia. so i was there in the middle of winter in certainly it was a very dark scene not all in line with a the narrative shaking off of communist yoke moving toward freedom and democracy that there was a huge epidemic of injecting hiv. so to learn about the nature of the epidemic of drug use and hiv was connected to the social turmoil of the 1990's . this is a huge social lecture many people greeted that with excitement and optimism that the reality is when your state disappear sore is radically reformulated that is the face of chaos so if they don't have a lot of money can lead to a peaceful and stress in their own lives. there was a tremendous amount of violence and those that could not survive and partly because the future seemed so uncertain and of borders were opened law-enforcement was not operating there was that unbelievable

those are overland narratives, and it describes an 1828 overland narratives or overland trip to california. two of the rarest items we have that relate to california and a history by miguel costanzo who was a spanish officer, who was part of exploring, involved in exploring the california coast. this is the first spanish edition of the work. from 1790. and it is very rare and valuable. let's go back to 1790's at that california sits within the larger sort of holding of spain. at that time, california was part of new spain. the seat of power of new spain was mexico, far to the south of where we are standing. for spain, they were very concerned about sharing geographical information about this outpost. it was sparsely populated. of course the motions -- missions were already here from 1769 in alta, california, but there were not many people living here. there were communication issues, and the distance meant they didn't really have full control over the coast. spain was cognizant of this, they had sent various military expeditions in the 1790's to to get, gather information and get a better

tell us a little bit about the psychological power of that, about those narratives. what exactly is the russian perspective on what happened? emissioyou mentioned the right g element. what is moscow's perspective on the events? >> guest: moscow's perspective was that the maidan government, the maidan revolution was a cia backed fascist punto which is obviously a distortion of the truth. they're feeding was it was essentially an american conspiracy to overthrow a pro-russian government and replace it with an anti-russian government. and that this was just another act of aggression by the left against russia, another effort to encroach on russia's sphere of influence. russia was very angry and fought back both with sort of intense fake news which helped to sort of cement the rise of separatism in eastern ukraine of course, and also to generate popular support for russia's annexation for crimea which happened just a couple of months after maidan. by really persuading people who were reliant on russian news and a lot of those people in ukraine, especially in crimea and e

so much focus is on encountering other narratives, but we're not putting forward any alternative narrative or telling people what we stand for and sometimes the most powerful message is frankly one that doesn't even have to directly take on a terrorist narrative although we have to do that as well, it's one that lifts up people that care about in other countries. entrepreneurship work, we were pushing open every door in every part of the world, you look at the united states and you s sesee see silicon valley, so we are were able to take it around the world through a process of summits and brand it associated with the u.s. government an then they can use that as tools. and frankly the entrepreneurs are the ultimate rebuke to isil because they're trying to channel the energy and even a sense of grieve ance to improve their lives. so it is essential to the u.s. government. our traditional change programs are very good but also very expensive and what we did through our young leadership initiatives is use online initiatives, in southeast asia and latin america, to bring people here but also br

frequently they get the narrative wrong. whether it's about donald trump being an unacceptable candidate or hillary clinton being an ideal candidate. this is how the media get their story across at the expense of actual facts. it's a good thing to do to provide context and analysis on a story and people are able to see those original forces. but now a lot of people can see the press conference. but you can't do that at the expense of reality. in the case of the 2016 election coverage we saw pushing narratives which everybody agreed on didn't help out our larker profession. it caused a breakdown in trust with people. they were pushing ideas and telling people what to think rather than listening to what people had to say. howie: you also write for county federalist." just report on what's going on on let meek make up their own mind. >> there is plenty to get upset about with donald trump, and he sets a lot of people off. but when he single thing he says or done is reacted to with this over the top snark, when people pretend th

those are overland narratives, and it describes in 1828, and overland trip into california. havef the rarest items we officer whopanish exploring the california coast -- this is the first spanish edition of the war from 7090 and is a very rare and probably will. ands go back to the 1790's were california fits within the larger sort of holdings of spain. at that time, california was part of new spain. the seat of power was mexico, far to the south of where we are standing. they were very concerned about sharing geographical information about this outpost -- which was sparsely populated. of course, the missions were already here. but there weren't very many people living here. issuesere communications , and the distance meant they did not really have full control over the coast. was cognizant of this. they sent their area's military toeditions in the 1790's gather information to get a better hold on the situation and they were concerned about other european powers coming in and taking over what we know as california. the english, the french, and a bit later the americans were

this absolutely hysterical tone and the endless promotion of the questionable narrative. there's a panic about planting fake news that americans are great at making their own fake news and it has a very damaging influence on politics. i also think it'but i also thint to not follow russia getting into this conservatory thinking and everything is a plot of our foreign enemies jumping to conclusion without any evidence i think we should look at the russian media and t the to try e as unlike them as possible. >> host: you mentioned you were 7-years-old when the berlin wall so and not really aware of the numbers of communism and the significance and so forth. you are a scholar and observer and what you do in the book is recount the contradictions of death and 25 years after, have we reached the end of that and how do we know, what is your view about how our assumptions have and where we are going now? >> guest: as we talked about earlier, yes i do think we are reaching the end but it's clear the idea that communism has been dealt with and we will all be now in a liberal democr

we want someone who has a compelling narrative, so you can articulate that narrative. you do that by talking to a lot of people and usually going with your gut like you have connected with and spending a lot of time with them. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. i said i should answer shortly and that certainly was not shorter. >> my name is torey and i, like you, really value the sort of historical background that leads to these greater systemic problems, and i struggle a lot in my own figuring out of the journalism how you bring that historical perspective to bear on these problems because i think sometimes in other reporting it can seem sort of piecemeal. we are looking at problems very much decontextualized, and i think your work has resonated with so many people because it does have that, but not all of us are going to be able to have the ability to have someone like propublica scoop us up and give us that opportunity. so how would you recommend that people are interested in reporting on these types of issues are able to incorporate that sort of historical and system

because i am thinking also about narrative and place.lot about the senate. and the way you create what it is like to be in the senate and one of the passages i like is where that i recall the book begins. it's almost cinematic. before you see johnson, you have Ãyou have a panoramic view of ? >> that is really Ãi was trying to create, to write about and create on the page the world of the senate. they did not think when it started that book, i did not know there was anything particularly interesting about that i knew i would have to explain it that he would be the great majority leader but i was not getting, i felt well Ãi was the guy who was the nut in the gallery. i would go to the senate in the morning, i had a passion i would sit in the balcony. they were groups of tours that would come in and leave and another group determinedly. i would still be sitting there. he would see the senate is looking at me dubiously. and i really think i was, they thought that i was the nut.i was not getting the feeling of what i wanted to do with the sen

>> it plays into the narrative that a lot of people in the liberal media led us to believe that haterimes can only be committed by minorities and to say this is trump narrative and in the video they are anti-trump and saying very racist things to this white man and doesn't lead up to hate crimes can only be committed by white people and it is not true. >> megyn: 22% of trump voters said the same about black people facing a lot of discrimination and the world view of the trump supportersand they can find support in this one awful video. >> i don't want to diminish the larger narrative of this video from the right or the left. what happened to me and your previous segment laid out the controversies and to me, as a human perspective, it is a hate crime for the many reasons that people have outlined and are covering the story. i'm from the left and as liberal as it gets and on this particular issue, it is a hate crime and when the men were saying these racial overtones and the channeleds -- chants of "go trump". >> megyn: if the asill i can't and the victim were reversed and there has be

of the narrative. >> dimitri?e an opportunity here. let's not be further divided around these issues. this has nothing to do with a hash tag. folks always feel thaey have to be on one side of the issue or the other. this is a hate crime. hate doesn't have a color, culture doesn't have a color. let's address why this happened. this happened because there was some ignorance and there were folks that wanted to sensationalize their! . let's not start promoting hash tags or be on one side of this issue where you have a real opportunity to unify. what i'll further say to the viewers is let's not respond to hate with further hate. let's respond to hate with peace and that's how we can further address these issues, not just in chicago, but nationally, chris? >> dimitri, don't you think at least part of that black lives matter narrative could somehow be part of what happened? we see it happening with police officers, white police officers being attacked. we're seeing it every time a police officer shoots an unarmed perpetr

it believed in narrative journalism. i believed in that because i understand you can do the fabulous investigations and if there dried nobody will read them if you don't connect with people on a human level doesn't matter that he found this wrongdoing. that's been my instinct to tell these hard stories through compelling narratives. so at the beginning and thinking about what is the narrative or the structure that can drive the story that's probably hard toodv read. when i did segregation now, part of it was the process about where i would tell that story it had to do with the narrative. that's where george wallace stands, it's alabama which is the cradle of the confederacy but also the cradle of the civil rights movement. i'm thinking about that one of choosing worm going to go. i'm investigating like how did resegregation happen and where the characters. can i tell the story in a way, what made it interesting was the black elite worked with the white elite to segregate the school. >> in case anybody has a readret the a

hottest narrative possible that there is own by eatin -- the sty that they were being told. frankly at the humanitarian level it is an abomination. that statement wasn't made by the democratic national committee. it was made by the former director of the central intelligence agency and the national security agency under president bush and obama. we should be serious about closing the loopholes. think of the hundreds of thousands who go through no betting not even fingerprintingt before they get on a plane to come to the united states. let's look at this seriously instead of real security threats, president trump is focusing on innocent people,days children, families that are fleeing terrorism. today's refugees like millions before them all over the world will be proud americans who contribute through the society and economy. albert einstein was a refugee. thank goodness he came to the united states. so many leaders today are a major operations in high-tech companies or immigrants in the country in some cases refugees. let's not continue a deception of blaming immigrants and

anything that narrative continues. it just became more complicated.e are more players now. but i think aside played the same narrative in the beginning of the uprising. he said extremists are going to take over seriously have to support me against the uprising because the alternative is worse. so i don't Ãi think that the basic narrative has not changed. unfortunately. we have seen a pattern and we have seen the direction it has taken. the only difference now is that there are 11 different players than before. on both of these extremist sites. >> you know i also enjoyed the chapter on bharain, how you went there and describe it. two questions here. had saudi gcc not intervened, but when this situation be like at the moment? how real is the iranian role in bharain? and we do not hear about them anymore. what is a stone current status quo ? >> i think even though bharain is a minor sort of unstable state which is why i think during president obama's administration there wasn't that much focus on situation in bharain. but i think if you look at the devel

how formative was it for you and how did that clash with these narratives that you were reading about russia's post communist liberation and this optimistic march to sort of free markets and political freedom. when did that clash conceptually with what you were seeing on the ground. >> guest: thigh book is guided by the logic of my own experience is because it is in part a memoir so my first encounter with the passover yet world was with russian. so i went on an exchange program, work exchange program, and was placed at the red cross in siberia. it's i was in siberia in middle of winter, and it was certainly a very, very dark scene that was not at all in line with the narratives how now that they had shaken off the -- cast off the communist yoke, russians were moving towards freedom and democracy. in fact what i find was there was a huge epidemic of injecting drug use, and there was also a corresponding endim mick of hiv. -- epidemic of hiv. as i spend thyme and learned more about the nature of the epidemic of drug use and the hiv epidemic in russia, found that it was very closely con

it believed in narrative journalism. i understand that you can do these fabulous investigations and if they're dry nobody's going to read them if you don't connect with people on the human level. it doesn't matter that you found this wrongdoing. that's been my instinct to tell these hard stories through compelling narrative. at the beginning i'm thinking about what is the narrative, what is the structure that can drive the story that is hard to read. when i did segregation now, part of the narrating process of where i would tell that story had to do with the narrative. tuscaloosa is where george wallace stands in the schoolhouse door. it is alabama which is the cradle of the confederacy but also the cradle of the civil rights movement. i'm thinking about that when i am choosing where i'm going to go. i'm investigating what happened, how did resegregation happen and who are the characters? can i tell the story in a way, what made it interesting is the black elite worked with the white elite teresa greg at the schools. >>

had been served with all three review board narratives tell the same story. not surprising since they depend solely and critically on information contained in the original investigative report and testimony recorded in court-martial transcript. repetitions are more or less the same story asserting violent details of who did what to whom have a chilling effect. why would anyone reading the tail today challenge its impartiality? no doubt about it. them brutal ugly shit went down, no counter narratives can test the veracity of what view boards report. guilt of till and mcmurray, when the court-martial transcript appears at the end of the till file. publicity with a vengeance, the transcript doesn't sell the reader as an opportunity as unbiased weighing of evidence. a guilty verdict arrives as a kind of i told you show the detail position to wag the dog. one review board text, the next alleged facts, pick up speed and weight to come, an irresistible avalanche. review board writers adopt the omniscient voice of certain kinds of fiction and nonfiction. but seem to

but assad played the same narrative in the beginning. he said, extremists are going to take over syria so you have to support me against the uprisings bag the at tentative is worse. so i think the basic narrative has not changed. we have seen a pattern. we've seen the direction it's taken. the only difference now is that there are lot of different players and than there were before on both of these extremist sides. >> host: i also enjoyed the chapter on bahrain, how you went there, how you described it; two questions here. had saudi gcc not enter recented, what would this situation be like at the moment? how real is the iranian role in bahrain? and we don't hear about the bahrain but what is the -- if the current status quo continues. >> guest: i think bahrain, ann even though it's a minor sort of unstable state in the scheme of things, which is why i guess during president obama's administration there wasn't that much focus on the situation in bahrain but i think if you look at the developments that happened there, they very much mirror

increasingly becoming isis on the one hand and al qaeda, but do you see this dictating the new narratives in areas of conflict where the two extreme will take over if these conflicts are not addressed? guest: i think that is the case and if you look at the old days in egypt before the arab uprising started, you know, if you remember president mubarak used to say you have to support my government because i'm the only alternative to the muslim brotherhood, which he painted as an extremist group which is not an extremist group, so that was always the choice and i think that narrative continues. it just became more complicated because as you say there are more layers now. he said extremist will take over syria, so you have to support me against the uprising because the alternative is worse, so i think the basic narrative has not changed, unfortunately. we seen a pattern in the direction it's taken. the only difference now is that there are a lot of different players than there were before on both of these extremist side. host: i also enjoyed the chapter on behrain, how you went there, how you

they're not taking heat for framing the story of the conversion of what he calls pro trump narratives and one panelist on nbc seem to be suggesting that these subs suspects were too stupid to be criminals. >> on the surface you think, kids can make some really poor decisions from time to time. but because they made so many errors here, they were truly trying to be criminal. obviously, your crime is not as the smart thing to do. >> megyn: julie roginsky is also a news contributor. i think he is usually great in "the washington post," this one he is taking a lot of heat for because he is suggesting that if the attackers had been white and the victim had been black, that the incident would have conjured america's ugly history of white people committing crimes against black people. people feel that he was diminishing the seriousness here and that that this could be more easily dismissed and not put into a greater narrative given s country's history. your thoughts on it, katie. >> it does diminish the horrible situation at hand and it goes and plays into the narrative that a lot of people

all three review board narratives tell the same story. not surprising since they rely on information contained in the original investigative report and testimony recorded in the court-martial transcript. it's more or less the same story serving violent details of who did what to whom had a chilling effect. why would anyone reading detailed today challenge its impartiality, no doubt about it. no counter narratives can test the accuracy of what the review board's report. they are a foregone conclusion when the court-martial transcript appears at the end of the file. publicity with a vengeance. the transcript doesn't serve as an opportunity for the unbiased way of evidence and a guilty verdict provides as a kind of a told you so. the tail positioned in the file from land of the dog from one review board text to another of the alleged attack to pick up some speed and weight becomes irresistible. review board writers were beyond certain kinds of fiction and nonfiction that seems to grant the privilege of being detached objective observers of t

>> i think the braided narrative. when i first submitted the proposal for this book, it was in braided narrative form, and i had an editor who said, you know what, why don't you try writing this book chronologically 1776 right up to the 1952 transfer of documents. i said, okay, i'll do it. wrote it. submitted it. was pleased with it. my editor called me back and said, um, i think you were right the first time. let's do the braided narrative, do you mind. tore the thing up and did it in that way. >> define the braided -- >> the braided narrative is back and forth into time. 1941 through '45 is kind of the main -- the world war ii piece of this. that's when i go back into 1776, back into 1787, then back into 1814. the reader kind is kept on the 1941 to '45 path but then goes back to learn about the creation of these documents and how they were preserved and rescued prior to that. >> last question. is the constitution, or the declaration of independence your favorite document? which one? >> yeah, i think the declaration

tha-- about narratives. he does not think about economic policy.led for years, that is a powerful narrative of a business mentor. tough guy. spurs creativity. makes deals. that is one of his story. the other story is the example of his lifestyle. beautiful women, fancy cars. these actually affect people's decisions on their own life because a lot of narrative psychology is about following a script you have seen examples in another person. jonathan: by highlighting some of the negatives in the u.s. economy, it is one of the sources to get the support he got to win the election, but the slogan that just said make america great again, how powerful cannot actually be? robert: i think that was a good slogan for him. i think a lot of people like the trump narrative because he is kind of a down-to-earth guy in some ways. he is not a snotty type. speaks in plain language. appeals to people that feel there might be success. in his make america great again, it was reaby most peop as i will make you great gain, whereas hillary clinton looked too many people l

but this goes to the larger business of the media narratives and all this kind of thing, and this ishe way the town works. >> but can i say one thing, jeffrey. he went out there and said -- he initially said, listen, the media has created a narrative between me and the agency, and it's about the media putting out public statements he said about the intelligence community, comparing them to nazi germany because he was not happy with their investigation into the russian hacking. >> they -- somebody leaked classified -- classified information to the media. that should not happen. he was upset. he should be upset. average america out there are wondered why in the world classified information is being leaked. >> david, you are just joining the conversation. it's important to remind people at home who may not watch every news conference, that donald trump called out the intelligence community, and he tweeted out intelligence quotes. >> go back to december 11th, when he went on the sunday shows and called some of the initial reports about russia meddling ridiculous, and that's a quote, and

this media narrative is making it more difficult. talk in the media about responsibility to hold donald trump accountable. i am responsibility to hold donald trump accountable. iam here responsibility to hold donald trump accountable. i am here to tell you that goes both ways. we will hold you accountable. the american people deserve better. as long as he serves as the messenger of this incredible movement he will take his message directly to the american people were his focus will always be. -- where. that was the new white house press secretary sean spicer. perhaps unusually, mr spicer ended his news conference without taking any questions from any of the journalists present. as you can see, he simply said goodbye and walked off the stage. you said that was the largest audience ever! well, until mr spicer‘s news conference, there had been no official figure for the number of people who attended friday's inauguration. but we have been able to make a comparison to the number who attended a huge march in washington on saturday to prot

obama had an american dream narrative.w his father till he was older, he was raised by his mother, the first african—american president. i'm not sure donald trump encompasses that same narrative. he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he had investments from his father, his own company. paradoxically, he's managed to refashion himself as an everyman, asa to refashion himself as an everyman, as a working—class hero, and that's the great irony of this, but it doesn't have the same mood music as the entrance of obama on the political stage. yes. let's go back to the make america great again, and i think onstage that is the us army band, the pipers, and they are doing sta rs band, the pipers, and they are doing stars and stripes forever. after them, it is a guy called harvey keith. i've heard of him! a country quy: keith. i've heard of him! a country guy, i keith. i've heard of him! a country guy, i think! keith. i've heard of him! a country guy, ithink! let's keith. i've heard of him! a country guy, i think! let's go b

suddenly you realise that these outlandish narrative you have been watching are happening all the timethe study, the sunday telegraph says that universities are worn over quoted snowflakes to the hand to snowfla ke quoted snowflakes to the hand to snowflake students in controversial -- is snowflake students in controversial —— is controversial changes to the ranking systems will be approved, it means that student voices as to whether they like the university the art will be taken into account. to dismiss a whole group of people as snowfla kes dismiss a whole group of people as snowflakes because they happen to be young and have views about how they are mentored —— about how they made doesn't post per year tuition fees are being spread as the raiders. there are two different elements to this that are, i told you about this, as you arrested becomes more expensive because one of a financial decision, it is reasonable to say that, they are kind of customers in a way, that they have some say over the product they are paying for. but at the same time there is also the element that university

so much for the media narrative that all borrowers are in deep trouble. leonard another hard truth, when it came to graduate school i lander i was in fact, well, below average. taking -- i was below below average in the amount of tike too completely ph.d. being blow average -- below average is a being this and bass becausing a beth shows one of the most disturbing elements of the world of higher education debt is the amount that is taken out by graduate students. so, look, i could go on about the virtues of beths book, which many, but let me end by encouraging all you to pick up a couple of the book staned. gather they're for sale outside and ifow pick one up there asuggest amazon or the equivalent online and i think there's a lot to chew on in the book. without further adieu let me welcome beth akers, beth. [applause] there,. >> well, thank you, dan, very much for the generous introduction. i'm thrilled to be here, meaning here at the manhattan institute and part hover this great organization, but also here today to be able to put some of my ideas intour

but the narrative has begun that in fact the u.s. government is accusing wikileaks and having received materials from russia and russian cyber criminals with the political agenda. they're not just a talking about the john podesta emails, but in other ways. i've asked you before. didn't rush i give you this information or anybody associated with russia? >> they are not a state party. the answer is no. but if we look at the most recent, we had five different branches of government, cia data, presenting their accusations to underpin obama's putting out 35 russian diplomats. what was missing from all of those? it's very strange. my interpretation is not surprisingly, a problem they feel, we don't know how wikileaks got this information. we don't know when. let's imagine, okay, the problem here is that wikileaks published information. what are they saying? wikileaks published true information that the american public read, that information was the words of hillary clinto hillary clinton. her campaign manager, john podesta and other people

but the narrative has begun that in fact the u.s. government is accusing wikileaks and having received materials from russia and russian cyber criminals with the political agenda. they're not just a talking about the john podesta emails, but in other ways. i've asked you before. did russia give you this information or anybody associated with russia? >> they are not a state party. the answer is no. but if we look at the most recent, we had five different branches of government, cia data, presenting their accusations to underpin obama's putting out 35 russian diplomats. what was missing from all of those? it's f very strange. my interpretation is not surprisingly, a problem they feel, we don't know how wikileaks got this information. we don't know when. let's imagine, okay, the problem here is that wikileaks published information. what are they saying? wikileaks published true information that the american public read, that information was the words of hillary clinton. her campaign manager, john podesta and other people in her campaign

so much for the media narrative that all graduate borrowers are in deep trouble. i also learned another hard truth from beth's book when it came to graduate school i learned i was below average. in this case fortunately for me being below average turned out to be a good thing. and this is because as she shows and will discuss in her remarks one of the disturbing elements in the world of higher education debt is the amount that's taken out for graduate students. i could go on about the virtues of the book which are many. but let me end by encouraging all of you to pick up a copy of the book. i gather that they are for sale outside. and if you don't pick up one dare i suggest amazon or the equivalent online. and as i said, there's a lot to chew on in the book. without further ado, let me welcome beth. [applause] >> thank you for that generous introduction. i am thrilled to be here at the manhattan institute and part of this great organization but also here today to be able to put some of my ideas into your ear and hope they can stick so thank you for giving me the o

part of it is figuring out how to take a complex issue and synthesize it down to an effective narrative, and then what are those selling points that help drive the issue or policy that you are trying to sell or implement, whether it is the american people to get the votes in congress? host: you will also be white house communications director. where do you draw the line? mr. spicer: if you look at the way the current white house is set up, i think they have done, they are a good model with jenn and josh. i think we will have a similar situation. the committee occasions team focuses a lot more on the logistics, the planning, where's the message going, what are the events that will drive that, what are the pieces that go into driving a successful narrative and message? the press office deals a lot with the day-to-day. inquiries,g press whether from regional specialty or national media. and i think we have got a phenomenal team of people on both the committee tatian side and on the press side -- on the communication side and the press site to ensure whether it is the day-to-day questions o

it just seems to me this is the narrative we saw coming. none of us should be shocked by this. this is the story line we're going to get for the next four years. so as long as he's the lead character, as long as he is the protagonist in this story, this is how he engages all the rest of us today it's the intelligence community, who knows who it will be tomorrow. but a leopard doesn't change its spots. donald trump is who he is and we better get used to these story lines. >> i don't know whether to congratulate you on the title "white house correspondent" or not, but i'm sure you spend a good deal of your time wondering what's this going to be like? >> you're going to be putting your helmet on every day. >> no, you are. >> i think what's wild and what we're talking about right now, in is a president-elect who has done everything he can throughout his campaign to delegitimize the institution of the press. it's the same play he runs all the time. there are dramatic, important consequences to his actions, and there are reports intelligence officers are considering mass resignations

so much for the media narrative that all undergraduate borrowers are in deep trouble. i also learned another hard truth from beth's book. when it came to graduate school, i learned that i was, in fact, well, below average. you know, taking -- i was below average in the especially is of the amount -- in the sense of the amount of loans it took me to complete my ph.d. in this case, fortunately for me, being below average actually turned out to be a good thing, and this is because as beth shows one of the most disturbing elements of the world of higher education debt is the amount that's taken out by graduate students. so, look, i could go on about the virtues of beth's book which are many, but let me just end by encouraging all of you to pick up a copy at the book stand. i gather that they're for sale outside, and if you don't pick one up there, i suggest amazon or the equivalent online, and as i say, i think there's a lot to chew on in the book, so without further ado, let me welcome beth akers. beth? [applause] >> well, thank you, dan, very much for that generous intro

>> kiersten, democrats want to paint him as pro energy, antienvironment, he rejects that narrative. what do you make of it. >> i don't know why dodging the question, pretty straightforward, but feel like this is almost something any of the nominees could have said, all seem to disagree with him on fundamental things. but seems to be doesn't matter what we think, just going to do what donald trump is going to do, i presume. or unless they think going to convince him to do something different. but when you have people -- even the idea you don't have the person responsible for -- coming up with replacement for obamacare in on the discussions, just unorthodox way. >> is there a right answer? >> right answer is scott pruitt is awful choice for epa. he wants to destroy the

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part of this is figuring out how do you take a complex issue and put it down to an effective narrative on the what of those selling point that help drive the issuer policy trying to sell or implement? whether it's the american people were white house mutations director? where do you draw the line? >> i think you look how they currently have it set up have a good model. i suspect a similar situation. they're focusing a lot more on the logistics in the planning, what are the events that are going to drive the commode of the pieces that will drive a successful narrative a message. the press office deals a lot with the day today, the incoming inquiries whether it's regional specialty or national media. i think we have a phenomenal team of people on both communications and an press said will help ensure that whether it's day-to-day questions or long-term communications planning that we have an effective operation. >> you talked about this at the university of chicago, but where's your head now in terms of how you want to structure this and what if any changes you want to implement. >> i thi

towards the narrative he was racially biased toward white people. the situation in ferguson am a the right was obsessed with portraying this false narrative that hands up, don't shoot was untrue. they failed to mention there was a bureaucracy in ferguson that was picketing people and using fines and court fees as a way to get money in revenue. they refused to mention that gets promote the narrative that rep. brown: was a dog, hands up, don't shoot doesn't matter. there was systemic racism and no one was held accountable. thirdly, if football player from oklahoma who was arrested, , a white of assault woman who attacked him, she hit him twice, the right chose to mention that she did more to him than what eric garner did to the police officer choked to death on the side of the road. any postwe don't live racist society. james: one of the things i will see immediately that the president himself put a fork in the whole post-racial america during his last speech in chicago. expected lot of people america to immediately change because of president obama's

and so i think that trump gets it and that the white house narrative is in the wrong direction. melissa: although, i mean, the details who exactly is behind this seems to sort of take the focus away from what is the

chris mentioned uh cookie cutters narrative and some of those other prevailing narratives that have to do with the broken veterans coming home broken. said during the writing or editing or publishing of this memoir were there moments that would tell something true that does not fit into the narrative? >> one story that comes to mind that i thought about taking down to it is a crazy story you think this is too crazy people are going to think it is made up. even though it is true. when we were in iraq in all hospital doing surgery that is what i did i was the hay and. so one day they are in surgery we are working on the enemy combat and. he says i have an idea and breaks open a book on hypnosis let's hypnotize him. so he tries to hypnotize the patient. very lightly. you love the enemy terrorist. he goes away where patients come they're not american soldiers we would try to hypnotize them the only reason we stopped is because at the same time in my you did it was about halloween we had a halloween party people would dress up in whatever costumes that they had. as a ghost, and one betty dr