nathan gonzalez, he did not give that answer. to leave the door open on purpose. >> even when politicians say no, they say no right up to the point where they say yes. getting inside a politician's shed a dangerous place to be. time is ticking. there is a timeline where you have to get into a race and make a decision and if you ask me if i think he's going to do it, i say no. >> but he wants the threat out there. >> oh, please -- >> that's clear what he wants. he wants the threat out there. independent or democrat? >> i have to add general sherman was from ohio, not michigan. if he runs, every republican will pop champagne koshcorks le lose every western state because of his gun control measure so please get in, michael, god bless you. i want paul ryan to be speaker more than you to run but number two is michael bloomberg running for president. >> he looked at running as an independent four years ago and you hear rumors if he would do it maybe he would do it inside a party. >> there's no path for an independent really. it's very

eugene rodriguez, hugh hewitt, nathan gonzalez who you both had an interview with before you won your office and kathleen parker of "the washington post." hugh, fire away. >> pox on both your wings. i am very desperately hoping that paul ryan is praying about it and sep this is and here is my question. yesterday a russian jet was set down in turkey. yesterday almost 100 people were killed in turkey. the world is on fire. how dare you with the american people waiting for leadership paralyze the house? charlie you have to stop going on cnn and blasting david, and david, there are like 15 of you. the freedom caucus is like 15 people. paul ryan is liked by 225 republicans. get with the program, guys. >> how do you know we're not on the program? you're doing -- >> we support paul ryan. if he wins a conference vote will you support his agenda. >> i have five policy principles -- >> it's not a hard question. will you support -- >> if you'd let me answer it would be easier. i have five policy on my web page and five process. if he goes with that -- >> you're holding the caucus hostage. >> the

joining me now is beth reinhart and nathan gonzalez. 48 hours after jeb said he has a lot of other cool things he could be doing than dealing with this. if you want to demonize people, go ahead and elect trump. clearly, he's frustrated. that's a frustrated candidate. my goodness, who in the establishment is going to keep their head from blowing up? >> well, this is not going the way they planned and they're not really sure what to do at this point. i think my sense from the bush camp is that they think going after guys like donald trump and ben carson, that there's not a lot of value in that at this point. that people in jeb world and in other camps, too, talking about winning their lane, you know? and that would mean sort of the more moderate establishment than this friendly republican. and that lane are guys like john kasich, but also marco rubio, to a lesser extent, chris christie. >> nathan, let me play you more, because there's more to this, in case you might imagine. here's a little bit more. >> let me tell you something. i've abo