prolog is the national archive. it's the blog so you can see some of the stuff that he's done there. i remember years ago that trevor did a piece on civil war desertion. that was fantastic. trevor also is i don't want to call him a tv's star, but he has been on a number of programs, including the very popular who do you think you are? he's also been on the gettysburg excuse me, the discovery channel show called gettysburg. so today, trevor is going to share with us treasures from the national archives. welcome, trevor plant. thank you. thank you, pete. i'm going to bring him to my boss's office when i ask for a raise. it is my pleasure to be here with you this afternoon. this is my first time presenting at cwi, so i'd like to thank dr. carmichael for inviting me to speak today. i'd like to thank ashley lusk for all the support leading up to this moment. so. the one disclaimer i'm going make before i jump into this is these are. so pete asked me to talk about treasury's with the national archives, and that's all he a

there was no national archives until the mid 1930s. and so what the archives has is what was maintained by the various federal agencies that they turned over the documentation to the national archives. so in some cases, like dr. downes this morning spoke about friedman records. great example. i don't have to -- i can't speak to that, we do have some civil war military commission. >> the confederacy called him nathan hale of the confederacy. >> you can definitely come in or write to us we can check on that for you. yes, sir. >> you mentioned military pensions. as i understand it in today's military you have to serve a fairly substantial time in order to get a pension. i'm assuming that in this day in age a lot of the soldiers who served three or four years would be a double for some type of tension. first of all, is that correct? >> i might have a very long-winded answer because originally, during the war, it wasn't a year related, it was her disability. strictly disability related. the veteran or, like i mentioned, the next of kin, dur

there was no national archives until the mid 1930s. and so what the archives has is what was maintained by the various federal agencies that they turned over the documentation to the national archives. so in some cases, like dr. downes this morning spoke about friedman records. great example. there are some field offices where we have a number of documentation that made it to the field office. and others where there are none. we don't know why. so whatever reason, they weren't sent to the war department or something happened at the war department before we received them. and then presently, the federal government only keeps 3% of the records they create. but going back, anything prior -- like i mentioned, the lincoln papers. presidential papers prior to the national archives, the president and his family can do whatever he wanted with those papers. and a lot of it is official government documentation mixed in with those personal letters, et cetera. so yeah, it is like the confederate records. we have what we have. i wish i could give y

what he wanted his lawyer to tell the national archives. also ahead, another headline making moment for herschel walker's senate campaign. as new documents reveal the pro-life republican appears to have paid for an abortion. >> good morning and welcome to "way too early" on this tuesday, october 4th. i'm jonathan lemire. thank you for starting your day us with. we have a new development in the mar-a-lago document case. "the washington post" reporting that former president donald trump asked one of his lawyers early 2022 to tell the national archives that trump had returned all materials requested by the agency. but that lawyer, alex cannon, declined to do so because he was not sure if that claim was true. that's according to people familiar with the matter. we now know that in fact that was not accurate. thousands more government documents, some highly classified, were found at mar-a-lago through a grand jury subpoena back in may and then, of course, that fbi search of the property in august. the post reports that after months of stonewalli

new allegations that trump might have kept more documents from the national archives. then on the trail, congressman pat ryan joins us live to discuss his campaign stop with president biden. and then justin -- justice jackson's moment. we finally hear from the new scotus justice on one of the most consequential cases of the new courts to turn. we have that in a whole lot more, i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> perry mason, and elise keating, sol goodman, i'll share one thing in common, that is beyond being tvs most talented attorneys, i think we can safely say none of them would touch donald trump's legal chaos with a ten foot pole. because it's not just the mess that he is in no, but as we learn on a near daily basis with this guy, there is always more with trump, more scandal, more illegality and more pain for his lawyers. this week alone, nbc news and the new york times reported that officials inside the justice department believe that trump still, and our pierre, still has government documents in his possession. after months of dodging the national

and still, the national archives doesn't have all the archives, isn't it true? >> that's true. the national archives sent a letter that they believe there are more documents out there. but in this case, is not documents they're looking for, they're looking for the kinds of things like pieces of paper, classified information. it could be that, but they specifically outlined that they do have communication sent between people in the white house, from the administration, which would also be presidential records. in part, because they were not using official right house email, and white house government issued phones. they were using apps that would encrypt those passages, making them disappear, so they're concerned they don't have all the messages, and it's unclear whether or not those things can be recovered. >> it is now been eight weeks since the search at mar-a-lago, and still we have not heard any explanation from trump or his lawyers, as to why he took the documents to begin with, what are they doing now? they're trying to slow the investigation into january. is this strateg

to the national archives.e government negotiated with somebody that i have called a classified documents terrorist for so long rather than taking the kind of law enforcement activity that department of justice would have taken. if you, or if i were in possession of stolen national security information. be that as it may, it's water under the bridge. but, donald trump is now exposing himself as somebody who is willing to take property that he stole and leverage it to his own benefit for other information that he wants, that he has no right to, from the federal government. i've analogize to a situation where the neighbor stole your tv, and then said if you want to back give me $500. well in concrete terms, that's what donald trump was doing, with these stolen documents. >> you know, and glenn, looking ahead in the bigger documents and that's occasion. sometimes these cases get kind of slowed down in the legal process and this coming tuesday as the deadline for the doj to respond to trump's request. that the supr

we've seen the letter, original email from the national archives. the kim jong un letters and letter from barack obama. clearly he packed them up himself and he didn't send everything back. >> it's hard to believe that he didn't see the 11,000 other documents while he's packing these up and selecting a specific subset of boxes to send back. and i think it's very important that he tries to get his own lawyer just to say that the archives that we've returned everything and the fact that the lawyer rejects that and says i won't do it because i don't believe it to be true and very significant. "the post" mentions that if that kind of pressure on the lawyer continued after trump knew he was under investigation, it could be obstruction of investigation. the statute also says if you impede or obstruct the ability of an agency to perform its duties, which is the national archives that, alone could do it. so pressuring your lawyer to make a false statement, that alone could do it. >> so that's very significant. also what seems to me to be significant is one

in general, the national archives. it is a huge and branched structure. torages of belarus there are more than 12 million documents for the service, which preserves the national heritage in documents, develops and branches into 169 departmental organizations, and there are two research institutions. but our correspondent natalya khomich went to the national archives the day before to find out. how to make a family tree? denis compiled the history of the family up to the fifth generation in the book describes important events from the life of ancestors, it is indicated where relatives studied , worked and what merits they had for me , the task was, using these stories, to correct some mistakes in myself, uh, some elements in myself to improve too. and as if to live their life to understand what makes me step on a rake to understand what helps me move. ahead of the final part of the book is a family tree since ancient times it is believed that a family tree displays the connection of three generations of the past present and future, by the way, the daughter

two national archives.t a put on full display was fact that he knew what he had, he knew it was material he was not entitled to. whether it's technically extortion, some sort of otherness conduct nothing about this is -- for a former president. he's not entitled to engage in a backroom court to get materials he wants but is not entitled to. this deserves the highest level of scrutiny from the justice department and increasingly it has been more an issue of when, not if there will be prosecution. >> i want to tell you what trump said last night in mar-a-lago both the documents. let's take a listen. >> under the presidential records act, everything should come back in there is no crime. you negotiate. whatever you negotiate is fine, it's process. they make it sound like the greatest crime in america was committed. these are radical left lunatic's. they lose documents, plant documents, do you know that is? let's throw a couple of nice documents in there. >> those are enormous allegations that he is making, by

after sending the first shipment of 15 boxes to the national archives in january of this year, donald trump asked a lawyer to say that all the government documents have been been returned to the national archives. but the lawyer refused to say that. the washington post reports, alex cannon, a former trump organization lawyer who worked for the campaign and for trump after the presidency, told trump he could not tell the archives all the requested material had been returned. he told others he was not sure if other documents were still at the club and would be uncomfortable making such a claim, the people familiar with the matter said. other trump advisers also encouraged cannon not to make such a definitive statement, people familiar with the matter said. so, the new evidence we have tonight, in a possible criminal prosecution of donald trump, includes evidence that donald trump personally decided what documents to send to florida, and then he personally decided what documents to send back to the government, and what documents to than keep illegally in his possession. and a lawyer who

material, a lot of sensitive material, top secret material, in those boxes that went back to the national archives in january of this year. he was, what we're told is he packed them around the christmas holidays. they kept asking repeatedly, the archives are going to call the department of justice, they're going to notify congress if you don't do this soon. when there was a haphazard process where he put certain things back but obviously did not put some key materials back. >> so he packed his boxes. he according to reporting, complained these were just newspaper clippings. he also told alex cannon to issue two statements. one of them was to the press or the people, public and one was to the archives. what did he say that alex should say? >> so he wanted alex cannon, who was a trump lawyer, started working there in 2015, worked on his campaign, close with his family, to tell the national archives in a private message that he had returned all of the relevant documents and given them all back. and cannon said he was not willing to do that because he said he wasn't sure if it was true or not. he spok

it says the national archives records administration told the house oversight committee saturday that some records had yet to be recovered. the disclosure comes as trump's legal team in the justice department weighs a protracted legal battle over the president's alleged breadth -- dr. into supposed to turn over to the archives upon leaving office. the archives didn't speak to whether the documents are in trump's possession citing the permit of justices probe into the matter. so again they are saying some documents are missing but they are not saying if they think the documents are still in former president trump's possession. let's take more of your calls now. we are an open forum. this is patrick in naples, florida. you are in the line of the storm, how are you and your loved ones doing this morning? caller: thank you for asking. we are doing ok, we are getting better. nothing compared to those up on the barrier islands and that's what i want to speak about. why do santos and his lieutenants here on the west coast didn't evacuate more people sooner. they dropped the ball. now they ar

how did the national archives realize it is still missing some of these communications?se the national archives sent a new letter to house oversight chairwoman karen maloney updating on the status of the attempt to get all the presidential record back from the trump administration. they said basically they did not have all these records from the multiple white house officials because these officials used their personal e-mails in conducting official business. t they wrote, while there is no way to establish accountability, we realize we do not have custody of everything we should. nara will continue to pursue the return of similar types of presidential records from former officials. the letter specifically cited peter tnavarro. the justice department has sued navarro trying to get back records he used in his personal account while working on the covid pandemic response. this letter also mentioned and asked for an update on the effort to get back records from trump. of course, this is coming in the midst of the justice department's investigation into trump's records and c

thousands of pages of correspondence that they're not releasing between not just trump officials and national archivesnd other officials in the archives regarding the retrieval of these boxes which ultimately as we learned last week has resulted in nearly 2,000 pages of documents being returned to the national archives after they were retrieved from mar-a-lago. >> glenn thrush, clearly -- a committee member said to me that the fbi piece of this is walled off, and it's obviously embroiled in doj's own legal back and forth with trump's team. but how much more does doj know than what has been released to congress? >> well, it's hard to say. first of all, the coordination between the january 6th committee and the department of justice has not been shall we say optimal. and it's also not clear precisely what it is that they were able to get during the period they had possession, august 8th when they got possession of these materials from mar-a-lago and when judge coop shut them down. we presume given their vast resources, both doj and fbi, that they had a pretty good opportunity to look at them. but i thin

circuit held in the national archives case, and the supreme court upheld that. vastly, exceeding, any possible privilege that you can assert. none of, this frankly, is even privilege to begin with. he was not acting as president of the united states, and in fact, acting as an anti president of the united states, because he was trying to overthrow the constitution of the united states. he is trying to lose litigation, and the issue, is how long will that take? it was trying to run out the clock, to january 3rd, when he takes his oath of office. >> i think it's important that they know that theodore roosevelt lie. when you become an ex president, you are just a dude. i think it's, actually, an important point that even sitting presidents, including abraham lincoln, gerald ford, famously, testifying before congress. further, both former, and sitting presidents including nixon, tyler, and quincy adams have provided evidence response to congressional subpoenas. there's a long history that they are drawing on. >> that is right. they referred to nixon. nixon had to pro

the national archives revealing some records from trump white house are still missing. that does not mean that trump himself took them, but the feds did find hundreds of classified documents at mar-a-lago. and today newly revealed audio of trump in an interview with "the new york times"' maggie haberman. he admits he took documents like letters to north american leader kim jong-un, and appeared to walk it back. >> did you leave the white house with anything in particular? are there any memento documents you took with you? >> nothing of great urgency. i have great things though. you know, the letters that kim jong-un letters and -- >> you were able to take those with you? wow. >> no, i think that's in the archives -- most of it is in the archives. >> okay. >> quote, nothing of great urgency is what donald trump says, but the national archives today confirming in newly released emails to trump's lawyers that they did not have the kim jong-un letters. and as the doj investigates, trump is trying to once again delay the special master appeal. the doj asked to expedite the r

the archives, to the national archives.nd ensuing to the penalties of urgent, he's not -- any documents. does not know the existence of any more documents outside of nara, as well that he had not provided any documents to anybody else, from obvious national security reasons. good for her, you know? hopefully, she did the right thing, saying i'm sure he will ignore it, to which i believe that the house oversight committee will probably send the same letter to him, demanding he knew it. >> the audience might say, letters here, letters there. the point here is, under oath. get him to swear that he did this under oath. because then if anything is discovered, as contrary to what he says, that would be a federal crime. >> it'll be a violation of lying to congress, i know enough about that. >> let's talk a little bit about the way, if anybody thinks there are more documents, that they could get those, right? i mean, they went into mar-a-lago, they had a search warrant, it had to be that a judge had to sign off on it. what do they

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they are overseeing an effort to transmit false electoral certificates, and the national archive. that despite knowing that it was illegal, corruptly pressuring her own vice president to unilaterally refused to count electoral votes for congress's joint session on january 6th. pressuring members of congress to object to validate of electors from several states. filing false information, under oath, in federal coat. so many tens of thousands of supporters to washington, and knowing they were angry and some were armed, sending them to the capitol. sending a social media message to the nation at 2:24 pm -- while knowing full well that the violent attack on the capitol was occurring -- in which you incited further violence by publicly condemning your vice president. and, refusing for hours to disband your rioting supporters by instructing them to leave the capitol, while you watched

this new letter from the national archives singles out former trump trade adviser peter navarro, and and the national archives have yet to gain back all of the documents from the trump administration, and it is because navarro used personal emails to conduct personal business. now, senior white house aides are required to use the emails on their personal accounts that they used to personal business to the public account so that they can be used. then the archives cited a personal case that navarro had used certain emails that had to do with the covid response, and so the doj is trying to get those letters and deborah wall said that while there is no easy wa to establish absolute accountability, we know that we do not have custody of everything that we should. she added that to obtain records from a number of professionals and would continue to pursue those records. this is separate from the ongoing justice department investigation into the classified records that former president donald trump took to his mar-a-lago report. and the chairwoman asked to get all of those materials back i

washington post is reporting that the former president asked one of his lawyers to tell the national archives earlier this year that he returned everything that they have requested. that lawyer's name is alex can. he refused, because he wasn't so sure that it was true. more to come on this a little bit later in the broadcast. plus, 39 days until the midterms. can you believe? it the former guy who is not on the ballot anywhere is attacking, this is the story, what do you think about this? one attacking senate majority leader mitch mcconnell mcconnell. claiming that he has a quote, death. which slamming his wife with a racial slur. not even spelling her name correctly. see, that shout-out. there you go. that is racism. like casual remark about a death wish not even two years after a blood thirsty mob attacked the united capital, hunting for lawmakers in the halls. well there is no other way to put. it it is despicable. it is disgusting. every single republican ought to be able to say loud and clear, or loudly and clearly, that violence is wrong. racism is wrong. >> it is never ever okay to be

the reason the national archives knew that they did not have all of the presidential papers of donald trump in his possession, after he left, office as the law requires, is that the archivists knew they did not have the level letters that donald trump made world famous. >> i got a very beautiful letter from kim jong-un. he really wrote a beautiful, three page -- i mean, right from top to bottom -- a really beautiful letter. we fell in love, okay? no, really. he wrote me beautiful letters. and they are great letters. we fell in love. >> those love letters are what started a criminal investigation of donald trump that led to the fbi -- where they found thousands of government documents, including over 100 classified documents. some of those classified documents were found in his desk. donald trump had classified documents at home in a drawer in his desk. and we know all of that because of the kim jong-un letters. the kim jong-un letters were the first batch of material that donald trump finally sent to the national archives. a year after he left the presidency, when the national archive

in this particular situation, the national archives general counsel was writing to three trump lawyers. so, shortly after the end of the administration. and at that time, it was quite clear to the archives there were a number of presidential records that they were missing. that donald trump still had in his possession. and this shows how the lawyers for donald trump, that were in his white house, and also working with him after he left the white house, were quite aware that these needed to be returned. they were federal records. what gary stern the general counsel of the archives said was missing, he said there were two dozen boxes that the general archives knew that trump had that they did not. and a letter to barack obama the first day in office, the sort of traditional letter that presidents leave for next president that is clearly a presidential record, that was not in the possession of the national archives, and also this, the original correspondence between pled trump and north korean leader kim jong-un, gary stern wrote, those were not transferred to us. it is our understanding

when the boxes of letters were given to mar-a-lago there were 15 boxes that the national archives receivedt included the kim jong-un letters. at that time they were so concerning to the archives that the archives had to call in the justice department, realizing that there were documents with classified markings on there and that has launched a criminal investigation that is still encircling donald trump and those around him. what exactly was being kept at mar-a-lago. so really an enlightening quote there and also over the weekend one thing i should point out is the national archives still has concerns about the handling of records during the trump presidency. they told the house oversight committee this weekend that they believe that there still were electronic communications from the trump white house that they do not have access to, including from aides, electronic communications specifically, aides like peter navarro who the justice department is suing in court trying to get back more records from the trump white house into the hands of the federal government. >> katelyn, at the same ti

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. >>> the biden administration and the national archives are being sued for postponing the release of thousands of documents relating to the assassination of president john f. kennedy. the delay is again fueling conspiracy theories of a government cover-up about what took place in dallas in 1963. we get more from ed o'keefe. >>> president kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. -- >> reporter: the mystery behind the assassination of john f. kennedy in an open motorcade at dealey plaza in dallas stretches almost 60 years, and the new lawsuit alleges president biden and the national archives are dragging out the release of about 15,000 documents related to the november, 1963, killing. >> these records need to be made public because they tell us about a very important event in american history. >>> jefferson morely is with the organization sighing. he's a longtime skeptic of the cia and says until the documents are released americans are left to wonder whether anyone accused of shooting lee harvey oswald was involved. is there a bombshell about officers who knew about the accused assassin while jfk wa

this story has him asking one of his lawyers to tell the national archives in early 2022 that he hadurned all of the materials requested by the agency. but that lawyer declined because he was unsure that the statement was true according to people familiar with the matter. obviously later on when the fbi actually executed the search warrant of mar-a-lago, they discovered hundreds of other documents that had yet to be retrieved after that initial january haul. we know that the former president actually wanted this lawyer to tell the archives that he had, again, handed over everything. he had suggested a certain statement, and again, this lawyer refused to do so. >> jackie, tell us a little bit more about alex cannon, we know the attorney who decided not to follow the president's orders. has he been interviewed by the january 6th committee. per his reporting, if trump is telling him to lie, that indicates obstruction, no? >> those are all very good questions and points, john. we haven't figured out the answers to the first two things. we know the doj has really been engaged in exhaustiv

she got a copy of these engineer records from the national archives. the cover, may 1864 to early 1865. his name may be listed there. that's how i would -- found out my own family history, partially. then the national archives has recently, in the last year and a half or so digitized what was referred to as the slave rolls, the slave payrolls. sometimes there were freed black people who are caught up in these records, as well. they are digitized. i think my friend, dr. adam bambe 's here. he has a website. it makes it a little more easy to navigate than the national archives search engine in terms of looking for counties that people were coming from, and where they were going. chester field county, let's say, has a list of people that are going to go to the richmond defenses. more often than not, they are enslaved people. but sometimes you can find free black people. >> great, thank you very much. that's really useful. just a few minutes left. i want to ask you a question, the same question of each of you, which is, how critical do you think the resour

the main tasks and services are the acquisition of the national archival fund with documents that aref public political social significance, this is to ensure the safety of documents and the popularization of documents, that is publishing activity. exhibition activities today archives, uh, store 13 million 300,000 files, if we put them on one shelf, then it will take the distance from minsk to mogilev in the year of historical memory archival service, belarus participates in various actions, for example, archives in schools thousands of children can get acquainted with the events from the primary sources. in addition, more than 200,000 copies of documents have already been collected on the case of the genocide of the belarusian people, which is being conducted by the country's prosecutor general's office. stop being shy in the expressions of american president joe biden , he used a non-printed word in a conversation with the mayor of a city in florida, and this conversation was broadcast by american television channels and recorded obscene language performed by the owner of the white

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and the new lawsuit alleges president biden and the national archives are dragging out the release of about 15,000 documents related to the november 1963 killing. >> these records need to be made public because they tell us about a very important event in american history. >> reporter: jefferson morley is with the organization suing. he is a long-time skeptic of the cia and says until the documents are released, americans are left to wonder whether anyone besides accused shooter lee harvey oswald was involved. >> is there a bombshell about officers who knew about the accused assassin while john f. kennedy was still alive? well, let's see the records and we can decide. >> reporter: most of the documents are from the cia, and could reveal other secrets, including cold war operations carried out by american intelligence agents in a plot to kill cuban dictator fidel castro. it was the 1991 release of the movie "jfk" by director oliver stone -- >> so what really happened that day -- >> reporter: that fueled conspiracy theories. but former president donald trump pushed off the release to pr

at least those that survived are maintained at our national archives. the prosecutors were after all technically government employees. i spent a lot of my time ever since reviewing those files. and that's a bit about what i'm going to talk to you tonight. but it's been 50 years. since the scandal and the backstory is rather complex. so we're going to approach this in two ways. i'm going to give you my own one minute summary, and then i'm going to expand a little bit on that. nixon was defeated. but it turns out the prosecutors cheated. they also left a paper trail. and that's what i've been spending in the past few years uncovering. it's simply astonishing. what they committed to writing. and their documents change everything we've been told about watergate. they met secretly with watergate trial judges. they suppressed evidence that was favorable to the defendants. they told outright lies to grand jurors and to congressional committees alike. and none of this was pursued by the press by the so-called investigative reporters. there were clear leads at t

and talks about the rules of the national archives, what goes there.onal property so it doesn't fall in the same category but interestingly, none of those documents ever come up. john, i do want to note, we cannot confirm any of the documents that were in those boxes were what was recovered by the fbi or turned over to the archives, but all of this happening at the same time. >> thank you for that reporting. let's bring former state prosecutor ellie honig into the conversation. our reporter is here as well. elie, we don't know if the documents were these, and trump and his allies saying the gsa packed the boxes, the gsa did this. but then you have the visual proof that no, these were actually packed up by the trump transition aides. it's a boring email but very important when you talk about who did what, right? >> yeah, john, it's crucial because it goes to the heart of knowledge. this is something that prosecutors are looking at. if in fact it was the case that gsa packed up the documents and transported them without knowing what went down to mar-a-la

it's clearly an attempt to stall, and he clearly was lying to the national archives in terms of whetherthe documents or not. and those documents don't belong to him. that's the bottom line. i also think that it puts that lawyer in an interesting situation. we know the attorney down there at mar-a-lago attested to the fact that they had returned these documents. so now you have two lawyers with the same client along the way questioning sort of the scenario here in terms of who is telling the truth. >> elie, i want to switch gears to senator ron johnson. since january 6th, senator ron johnson has been trying to claim that it was not an armed insurrection. i don't know how he thinks 150 police officers got grievously injured, some of them, without weapons. there were weapons on january 6th. that is proven. there were also firearms. one of the things he's been trying to say is it wasn't armed because there were no guns. actually, police confiscated guns from some of the insurrectionists on the capitol grounds. but he is wrong on every single point. this morning he tried to its but he contra

the biden administration and the national archives are being sued for postponing the release of thousandsf the most sensitive documents related to the assassination of president john f. kennedy. the delay has fueled the government cover-up conspiracy theories about one of the darkest days in our nation's history. here is cbs' ed o'keefe. >> president kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. >> reporter: the mystery behind the assassination of john f. ofn f. kennedy in an kennedy in an open motorcade at dealey plaza in dallas, stretches almost 60 years, and the new lawsuit alleges president biden and the national archives are dragging out the release of about 15,000 documents related to the november 1963 killing. >> these records need to be made public because they tell us about a very important event in american history. >> reporter: jefferson morley is with the organization suing. he's a longtime skeptic of the c.i.a. and says until the documents are released, americans are left to wonder whether anyone, besides accused shooter lee harvey oswald, was involved? >> is there a bombshell about officers who

the lawyer, named alex cannon, had become a point of contact for officials at the national archives whoo return presidential records he failed to turn over upon leaving office. cannon declined to convey trump's message to archives because he was not sure if it was true, the people said. but now we know. cannon's hunch was correct. despite what trump said, there was another set of documents turned over in june. and then stacks of documents seized by the fbi in august. and it does not stop there. "the washington post" sites people familiar with the matter in reporting this, quote, trump himself packed those january boxes. according to these source, the former president seemed determined in february to declare that all materials sought by the archives had been handed over. and now, again, that breaking news. trump and his team making a last-ditch desperate hail mary plea to the supreme court. it's where we begin the hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. "new york times" justice reporter katie benner is here. joyce vance is back. she is a former u.s. attorney and law profess

greetings from the national archives flagship building in washington d.c.. it sits on the ancestral home of the mikati people. it is my pleasure to welcome you to today's conversation with suzanne boyle and kevin boyle's new book, the shattering. before starting out like to talk about two programs coming up on our youtube panel. david keane will tell us about his new book, watching darkness fall. which recounts the rise of the third rank in germany and the were ill to roll before key western wrecking capitals. london, berlin, rome, paris and moscow. on tuesday february 1st at 1 pm we will hear from sara pollack who will discuss her book fdr in american memory brazil in the making of an icon she analyzes roosevelt as a cultural icon in american memory, and historical leader who carefully and intentionally built his public image. kevin bail because his look at the 1960s with this story of ed cahill, who in 1961, organized his neighbors to deck their houses with american flags for the fourth of july. boyle is inspired by a photograph of cahill, and his neighbor

for a stab, the new reporting of the national archives at this mar-a-lago documents. plus, ginni thomas and her testimony before the january six committee. the former president is giving her a big thank you. what to expect for the supreme court's new term of been new polls that show the majority of americans think the court is out of touch. out of touch the new subway series menu. the greatest sandwich roster ever assembled. for more on the new boss, here's patrick mahomes. incredible - meatballs, fresh mozzarella and pepperon- oh, the meatball's out! i thought he never fumbles. the new subway series. what's your pick? vicks vapostick. strong soothing... vapors. i thought he never fumbles. help comfort your loved ones. for chest, neck, and back. it goes on clear. no mess. just soothing comfort. try vicks vapostick. developing this hour, brand-new reporting reveals the national archives is still missing records from trump officials. the washington post reports electronic messages from trump administration officials. this comes as donald trump lashes out at a rally, sla

the main tasks of the service are the acquisition of the national archival fund with documents, whichrepresent public political social significance is the preservation of documents and the popularization of documents, that is, publishing activities. exhibition activity. today, the archives store, uh, 13 million 300,000 cases, if we say put them on one shelf, then it will take a distance. from minsk to mogilev, in the year of historical memory, the archival service of belarus participates in various actions, for example, archives in schools, thousands of children can familiarize themselves with events from primary sources. collected more than 200,000 copies of documents on the case of the genocide of the belarusian people, which is being conducted by the prosecutor general's office of the country. active preparation for the new year by the belgospischeprom promises at least 2.5 million gifts for children, based on trade requests, they have already begun to be packaged in september and there will be a third more sweet packages than last year, this was discussed at a meeting of manufactu