he worked with the nsa for almost 40 years, national security agency. we are also joined by an oscar nominated filmmaker, and jacob applebaum, computer security researcher. you two have something in common with each other. every time you come into the united states by plane, you are stopped, searched, you are interrogated. laura, tell us about your experience, your latest one. >> i have been stopped at the border since 2006, since i started on these films, looking at the u.s. post 9/11. i have lost count how many times i have been detained at the border but i think around 40 times. --this particular trip, lately they have been sending someone from homeland security to question me in the departing city. i was questioned in london about what i was doing. i told them i was a journalist. my work is protected and was not going to discuss it. in this occasion, i landed in york airport. flying, they do passport control inspection at the gate, so they make everyone de-planing to show their passports. i do not even get to immigration. , and then they take away. -

i mentioned the national security agency, historically, the national security agency one of its beg jobs is breaking codes. let's pick on iran, if n.s.a. is now reading all of iran's most secret communication traffic since they broken the iranian code. that's obviously a huge intelligence for the american government. if i write that n.s.a. is reading iranian code, then iran can fairly easily switch codes, switch machines and take away that windfall of intelligence. that's an important secret needs to be preserved. i recognize that if we have an agent who has infiltrated al qaeda, it happened in yemen. if we identify that person when he's in an al qaeda camp there, he's dead. he's a dead man. we lose that source and certainly has a human matter you would not want to do that. there are secrets that deserve to be preserved. the other problem, the problem with that is that bureaucrats love secrecy especially in the national security realm. if econtrol a certain amount of information and it's secret from everybody else, that enhances my power. if i screw up and i can keep that secret, that pr

and general keith alexander, the head of cyber command at the national security agency, came here to discuss how the public can get into the debate about cyber. another tough issue. as the towers were falling and the pentagon fire was burning on 9/11, i was a senior member of the house intelligence committee and headed to the capitol dome. that is where the intelligence committee rooms were then located. it was the intended target of the for their plan that went down in pennsylvania, is believed.

former national security agency, the big eavesdropping agency. all of those used to operating in the shadow saw a market for their services as commentators and book writers. there was this somewhat uncomfortable interaction between the agencies and these usually former employees who were coming out of the shadows and writing about what they done in their lives and there have been many lawsuits over that since. >> in the end, we got a lot to discuss about john kiriakou, why is he in prison? >> he, got to know a number of reporters and would be helpful within limits sometimes he would say, that's classified and i will not talk about that. but, relative to many cia officers, he was pretty candid about things. as a reporter in this area, you treasure anyone you find who sort of is willing to talk about things. i think he saw it as a lot of people see it as a legitimate thing. we're a country where the government doesn't get the last word on what the people learn about. that tends to be a system. i spent some time in the soviet union and that tends to

he believers president obama has test test test national security agency, general keith alexander. e declined request to sit down with us for an interview we sat down with the a washington think tank where he was speaking at a cyber security event. >> will the utah data center hold the data of american citizens? >> no. we don't hold data on u.s. citizens,he people there at nsa. they take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing that they do in securing this nation. and so when people just throw out, oh, they are going to have all of this stuff at utah data center that's bologna. that's ludicrous. i am not going to come out and say here's what we are doing at utah. that would be ridiculous, too, because it would give our adversaries a tremendous advantage. we are not going to do that. >> benny says alexander stations missed the point. this is not about the character of his former nsa colleagues it's about the possibility that the government's stunning new capacity to collect, store and analyze data will test less than normal leaders if not now, than in

. >> michael hayden is the former director of the national security agency and the cia. when you look at boston. does that look to you like the new face of terror? >> i really do think that is the case. i mean, there's a real sense that doctrinally al qaeda wants the mass casualty attack against the iconic target, but they can't do that. and now what you've got are these one offs, very likely self-radicalized individuals coming at us. i'm fond of saying because of our success -- and this is a measure of success. i'm fond of saying future attacks against our homeland will be less organized, less likely to succeed. less lethal if they do succeed but more numerous. unfortunately that's been bourn out. >> we will ask our experts how to stop the next boston. but first up, hitting al qaeda overseas. are we on target with killing terrorists with drones? hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios ♪ the one and only, cheerios geico and we could help youo

. >> michael hayden is the former director of the national security agency and the cia. when you look at boston. does that look to you like the new face of terror? >> i really do think that is the case. i mean, there's a real sense that doctrinally al qaeda wants the mass casualty attack against the target, but they can't do that. now, what you've got are these one offs, very likely self-radicalized individuals coming at us. i'm fond of saying that because of our success, and this is a measure of success, i'm fond of now saying that future attacks against our homeland will be less well organized, less likely to succeed. they're just going to be more numerous and, unfortunately, that's been worn out. >> later in our hour, we'll ask our experts to stop the next boston. >>> but, first up, hitting al qaeda overseas. are we on target with killing terrorists with drones? at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our bus

>> narrator: at that time, michael hayden ran the national security agency, the nsa. >> hayden: we began a conversation with the vice president and then with the president, saying that, "here are some additional things we could do, but we cannot do them because we do not currently have the authorities to do them." that was the basis of the evolution of what became the terrorist surveillance program. >> narrator: the terrorist surveillance program authorized the nsa to intercept certain telephone calls and emails of american citizens without a warrant. >> hayden: it clearly was atypical when it came to where the traditional boundaries of the national security agency had been, when it came to communications, one end of which was in the united states. that was a change. >> priest: nobody was in a mood to say, "well, wait a minute. are you infringing on privacy?" you know, privacy versus another 9/11 attack, there was no real question about what was going to win over that. >> narrator: from inside their secure maryland headquarters, the nsa was now focused on trying to prevent the next terro

about the things going on in secret training exercises and the next day the national security agency showed up and threatened to deport me he came into my office weeping so this is very intimidating. and it makes me angry . we don't go around to many for go send people overseas to fight these wars we don't want pretty much criminals and women return and that's the purpose of this lawsuit basically to help brandon but also to help us get a government off their backs john hope my viewers understand why the target veterans what could this have possibly done what were they going for in your client's case. i think years ago the paranoia the question is why is the whole of security of our military bodies one hundred fifty million rounds all point well if we don't know there is a paranoia with this they think maybe could actually really resist it but most of this i talk to the little. resist safest they've been they've been overseas they've seen certainly don't like a lot of the looks the drone strikes and all things you say they come back and they're very upset and they want to get very ve

>> one man they hoped would do it is the national security agency general alexander. when he applied request to sit down with the interview we sat down with a washington think tank where he was speaking at a security event. >> do you hold data on u.s. citizens? >> we don't hold data on u.s. citizens. they take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing they do in securing this nation. when people just throw out oh they are going to have all of this stuff at the data center that is bologna. it would give adversaries a tremendous advantage. we are not going to do that. >> benny said the protests missed the point. it is not about the character of the former nsa colleagues it's about the possibility the government's stunning new capacity to collect store and analyze data will test less than norm leaders if not now than in the future. >> it's really a turnkey situation where you can turn quickly and become a totalitarian state pretty quickly. the capacity to do that is being set up. if you have the wrong person in office or government they could

. >> about half the detainees' population, 86, have been cleared unanimously by national security agencies for more than three years to be released until security conditions have been met. >> jon: has anyone told the prisoners about this? >> a hunger strike at the prison in guantanamo bay has expanded. >> jon: they've been told. how expanding is the hunger strike? >> 100 of the 166 prisoners at the u.s. base in cuba have joined the strike. 19 are receiving liquid nutrition through a nasal tube. >> jon: holy [bleep]. we have gone from water boarding them to food boarding them? and by the way, it's a good thing for the u.s. government that those prisoners... they'd have p.e.t.a. all over their [bleep]. as the president explained yesterday there's a perfectly good rationale for the feeding tube. >> if you continue to force feed these folks. >> i don't want these individuals to die. >> jon: this was reminding me of something. 100-odd people trapped on an island in a confusing conundrum without any possibility of escape. it's like lost all over again and just like lost probably should have ende

debate at the highest levels regarding citizen's rights versus national security and out of that debate ultimately came the national security agencyn the 1950s, the spy center was so secretive, the joke was the initials stood for no such agency. >> what did the president know and when did he know it? >> after watergate, however, people wanted to know what the spy agencies were really up to. in 1975, general lieu allen became the first director of the nsa to testify publicly before congress. the agency once so secretive was exposed. the public learned that the nsa headquartered at fort meade, maryland was eavesdropping on messages sent into and out of the country. the federal government passed a foreign intelligence surveillance act requiring the nsa to get warrants from special fisa courts before it could perform surveillance within the united states. the nsa adapted and moved on. with the fall of the soviet union, its mission seemed less urgent to many and the nsa lagged behind in the latest technology. as general michael hayden, the nsa director who took charge in 1999 put it, in an age of telecommunications breakthroughs, the n

we need a reboot of the national security agency on issues like that and the only thing they can do is like they did underwater gate. >> paul: when we come back, the debate begins in the senate on a bipartisan bid to reform the nation's immigration system but a new report is pitting conservatives against conservatives on the true cost of the overall. we'll break down the numbers and handicap the politics. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day women's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for women's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day 50+. peoi go to angie's listtts for to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact that i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away. join

splitter that created a copy of the internet communications of americans and sent it to the national security agency. caid, i wanted you to kick off this panel by talking about what is the national security agency, what what does this kind of surveillance mean for everyday users? >> sure. thanks, diane. thanks, everybody, more waking up so early to talk about this scary subject. i hope it doesn't give you nightmares. so, yeah. the nsa is an organization that is extremely secretive. we actually don't even know how much money we spend on the nsa. there are about 30,000 employees. it's larger than the cia. it's a really huge bureaucracy actually. and, you know, over the past 12 years since 9/11, we've learned a substantial amount about what the ci -- what the nsa, rather, has been doing only because of people who have left the nsa and left the whistle on sop of the abuses going on there. i'm going to give you a brief chronology of what's happened since 9/11. so after 9/11 we now know the nsa took the gloves off, is how people have described it. and that's to say the nsa for a long time its mandate was

and i think that's why we need a reboot of the national security agencies on issues like that, and they're one of the only mechanisms to do that is a committee of congress like they did under watergate, looks into this, issues the report. >> dempsey, as well. chairman of the joint chiefs. when we come back, debate begins in the senate on a bipartisan bid to reform the nation's immigration system. a new report is putting conservatives against conservatives over the true cost of the overhaul. we'll break down the numbers and handicap the politics next. [ man ] on december 17, 1903, the wright brothers became the first in flight. [ goodall ] i think the most amazing thing is how like us these chimpanzees are. [ laughing ] [ woman ] can you hear me? and you hear your voice? oh, it's exciting! [ man ] touchdown confirmed. we're safe on mars. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ hi. [ baby fussing ] ♪ we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and then treats day afr day... block the acid with prilosec otc and don't get heartburn in

i mean, you've ran the national security agency, this super secret spy agency with what many people believe is the largest budget to do all the technological data gathering. could you eavesdrop on conversations on a much grander scale? >> with technologies available now, of course you could be more invasive. i was the one that installed the terrorist agency. >> it was about international calls that we have reason believe are affiliated with al qaeda. even there, we realized we had to be very careful. very selective. this couldn't be this broad net. >> i asked a former f.b.i. special agent. >> so you look at something like inspire magazine, that contained within it the instructions of how to build these pressure cooker bombs. should the united states government be trying to shut down these web sites? >> i think it's not the issue of feasibility. you know, it's very hard to regulate the internet. we have thousands of sites that promote islamic extremism. they basically spend a lot of times on these sites and monitor their travel pattern and their communications. put them together and create a

the biggest thing has been with the international intelligence agencies, national security agency. the willingness to sit down and exchange of information, understanding that we collect and different authorities. the cia and nsa collected overseas under looser authorities because they're not affecting united states citizens. we have the responsibility of doing the intelligence gathering in the united states, understanding is american citizens we are attempting to protect. we have to do it under the constitution and applicable statutes. the sharing of that information and working together has gone light years since september 11. having been through a number of battles over the years, the focus on the mission trump's just about everything else. what is difficult is coming up with an organizational structure to address cyber in all of its manifestations. fraud schemes are now on the internet. the dissemination of child pornography and the like have integrated to the internet and the field of cyber. cyber intrusion, the exploitation of information is in the cyber arena. how we address

the size of the national security state is so immense, they have done this wonderful reporting and there is one spot in this film that just jumps out at you. the national security agencyonitors $1.7 billion e-mails. that begins to give a sense of how big they are how dispersed their power is, and what kind of an impact they're having not just on whistle blowers but on each and every one of us by the way we lives our lives. >> john: is it getting harder for whistle blowers to come forward. >> as the film shows over and over again it's much harder. it's a toxic environment. part of the reason the administration and lawyers have attacked these whistle blowers is yes to get them but almost more importantly to try to silence others from speaking up. to send the message so that the next time they have a scoop or the next time they see something, or the next time they're confronted with a real kind of moral challenge to their integrity there is a tendency to go silent because of all the pressures, because of all the attacks, because of the financial costs, because of what it does to their families. >> john: why do you think despite these consequences some people decide to co

and national security agencies. all those guys who were used to operating in the shadows saw a market for their services as commentators and book writers. so there was this somewhat uncomfortable, you know, kind of interaction among the agencies and former employees. >> and at the time i felt water boarding was something we needed to do. as time has passed and september 11 as moved farther and farther back into history, i think i've changed my mind and i think water boarding is probably something we shouldn't be in the business of doing. >> why do you say that now? >> because we're americans and we're better than that. >> this is a guy who by all accounts meant well who served his country well by most accounts for 15 years in some very dangerous situations, who risked his life to take on al qaeda and pakistan and terrorism working out in athens before that, and he is going off to prison for 30 months leaving his young family behind. >> scott chain on his feature story from sfy source to nvict, the story of jailed c.

national security and terrorism. >> one of the staggering facts is that the national security agency is sucking up 60,000 e-mails and calls per second. you know, this is the big net into which all of our stuff is falling. and then they scan the stuff later on. so, you know, this is a massive surveillance operation that our country is conducting on us. >> let me follow up on that. the justice department would say we got these phone records from the a.p. only after an exhaustive sort of review of other documents and given the size and scope of the missions, domestic and international. were you surprised at the outcry around it? or given how much we're doing elsewhere? >> well, i -- i wasn't surprised, i was glad. if there wasn't an outcry, i really would be worried. there are supposed to be rules about this stuff, but i think you'll find in practice the rules get blurred. >> when you have something like 850,000 people in this country who have top security clearance, who have classified access -- >> i think it's more, in i think it's in the millions in the broader classification. >> during the boston terror incident, t

comey had previously signed off on the spy program when it began allowing the national security agency to eavesdrop on the phone calls and emails of u.s. citizens without court warrants. his objection to reauthorization focused on an unspecified element of the spy program. he ultimately gave his backing dr. the bush a ministration agreed to make changes in a statement, the aclu also criticized comey for approving u.s. torture techniques including waterboarding as well as for helping oversees the prolonged -- helping oversee the prolonged indefinite detention of u.s. citizen jose padilla without charge or trial. the aclu concludes -- thousands of protesters with the havevist movement blockuppy blocked access to the european central bank in frankfurt, germany and a protest against european austerity. the demonstrators were confronted by scores of police in riot gear. the unemployment rate in eurozone tons to wrote -- new record of a 12.2%. more than 19 million people in europe were out of work in april. hundreds of garment workers protested thursday outside a factory that makes clothing

. >> you and i have talked about this at length, stovepiping, intelligence and national security agencies keeping information to themselves, not sharing it with other law enforcement. we saw this in boston with the fbi not telling local boston law enforcement about tamerlan tsarnaev. who knows if that would have had any impact at all. we don't know. they're supposed to be sharing that information and here we have it again. why would the justice department not share these new identities with the people who make up these terrorist watch lists? >> reporter: that's a great question. i have that question, too. if a decision was made at the front end that this information was somehow not relevant to a terrorist screening center, this is the overarching list with their new names and their new passports, that decision was made for all of them. it wasn't just a particular person, that is a policy decision and finding out why that was made and what was the thinking. part of this is just law enforcement mentality that has clearly, as we've seen, sort of not broken through enough in terms of the inte

new details have emerged about a secret unit inside the national security agency called tailored access operations that hacks and of foreign computers to conduct cyberespionage. according to a bloomberg , theess week article harvest nearly 2.1 million gigabytes every hour. that is the equivalent of hundreds of millions of pages of text. for years the in as they did not acknowledge the in its existence but a pentagon official confirmed they do with a computer network explication. the u.s. cyber spies have also developed methods to obscure their tracks or disguise themselves as something else such as hackers from china. u.s. agriculture officials say they're investigating how genetically modified wheat greeted by monsanto turned up on an oregon farm even though it was not approved for use. the plants were discovered after former attempted to kill the wheat with monsanto's herbicide but found some of the plants had survived. testing determined it was from an herbicide-resistant strain that was field tested several years ago before protests helped force monsanto to withdraw it from the regu

keep the national security agencies out of the politics, out of campaigns. and i think that was the motivation behind victoria's concern. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you all for being here this afternoon. >>> we're also following new developments in the cleveland kidnapping case. the prosecutor said he may seek the death penalty against ariel castro. will the state be able to prove he got his alleged victims pregnant and then force them to suffer miscarriages? >>> plus, reminiscent of the movie oceans 11. instead of targeting casinos, they are accused of hacking into banks and stealing millions from atms around the world. ving a french fry. yes she is, yes she is. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. 100% vegetable juice, with three of your daily vegetable servings in every little bottle. with three of your daily vegetable servings meet the 5-passenger ford c-mc-max one. c-max two. that's a super fuel- efficient hybrid for me. and a long range plug-in hybrid for you. now, let's review. introducing the ford c-max hybrid and the ford c-max

we're talking about half the detainee population, 86 have been cleared unanimously by national security agencies for more than three years to be released if security conditions have been met. an the outward flow of those detainees has dried up for several years. that's what is leading to this turmoil and unrest at guantanamo right now. and i think that's currently the issue that is attracting the greatest blowback globally including from the-- recently from the united nations high commissioner for human rights. >> ifill: and part of blowback, part of the upheaval there right now has to do with this hunger strike which is under way. is this what has forced the president to get tough on this issue again? or was this, is this what the administration has been saying quietly all along? >> well, the administration's stated policy has been since obama took office in 2009 that it wants to close guantanamo. but in the face of congressional opposition to its plan to bring the detainees into the united states, and later some restrictions imposed by congress on transferring them elsewhere to countries with

that the justice department and the general councils and internal mechanisms inside these national security agenciese down on very, very hard, but there is an exception and it's an exception that seems to be a common law privilege which is that you're a political appointee or if you're a general or been in government for a long time and you have these sort of teflon, get out of jail free cards for being able to discuss classified information with journalists which is, incidentally, i think, a good thing, and if congress wanted to criminalize the publication of classified information which, by the way, it is not a violation of the law to publish information that's classified, it's a violation of a lot of published national security information, but defining national security is a term of art, it seems as if the two layers i talk about, the layer for the workers, the people inside the establishment who do the least leaking, but who get punished the most for it, and a permissive environment for those who do the most leaking. >> and i want to jump in on that especially important point because sometimes

larger than the cia, whistleblowers like william benny and others who joined the nsa, the national security agency, because they were deeply concerned about national security and wanted to serve their country and then started to speak out about what it was doing. after they tried the channels within the agency, deeply concerned about, for example, surveillance of americans. they were finding that programs were being developed not to improve national security, but to actually data mine americans. and as they spoke out, one by one they faced prosecution or persecution in the case of william benny, the authorities raided his house, had him at gun point in his shower. he was a diabetic amputee, his family terrified. and in the case of others, they are charged, like thomas drake. and under the obama administration, there have been more whistleblowers, um, charged than in all past presidential administrations combined. it's a very serious issue which then brings us to the case of bradley manning. this young soldier who went to iraq and has now pled guilty to, um, having released hundreds of thousands if

national security issues than was the case before. was a of a sudden, there market for former cia folks, former defense intelligence agencies, former national security agency, all of those guys who were used to operating in the shadows saw a market for their services as commentators, book writers -- so there was this somewhat uncomfortable interaction between the lyencies and these usual former employees. >> at the time, i felt that waterboarding was something we needed to do. as time has passed, as of september 11 has moved farther and farther back into history, think i have changed my mind. i think that waterboarding is something that we should not be doing. >> why do you say that now? >> because we are americans and we are better than that. >> this is a guy who i think by all accounts meant well, who served his country well by most accounts for 15 years in some very dangerous situation, who risked his life to take on al qaeda in pakistan and to take on terrorism before that. he is going off to prison for 30 months, leaving his young family behind. >> this weekend on q&a, scott shane on his future -- feature story, from spy to source to c

national security agencies, all those guys who are used to operating forhe shadows saw a market theirervices as commentators, book writers. so there was this somewhat uncomfortable kind of interaction between the agencies and the former employees. at the time i thought waterboarding was something we need to do. as time has passed and 9/11 has moved into history, i have changed my mind and i think waterboarding is not something we should be in the business of doing. >> why do you say that now? >> because we are americans and we are better than that. >> this is a guy who by most accounts served his country well in dangerous situations, who risked his life to take on al qaeda and pakistan and to take on terrorism before that, and he is going off to prison for 30 months, leaving his young family behind. scotts weekend on "q&a," shane on the story of a jailed security officer. sunday at 8:00 on c-span. she is the first first lady to earn a college degree, and during the civil war, soldiers serving under her husband called her the mother of the regiment. opposing slavery, she influences her

boston marathon bombing, about the problem of stove piping, when intelligence agencies, national security agencies share information with other agencies. that seems to be the problem here. according to an inspector general report for the department of justice. that is, the individuals in charge, the department of justice individuals and agencies in charge of the witness protection program called witness security, gave new names, new identities to suspected terrorists who were helping them out with prosecutions, but they did not give those new names to the individuals who run the terrorist database in this country. so they were able to fly. and of the hundreds of thousands of individuals on this list, while the inspector general was doing this audit, they told the justice department about it and the justice department tried to figure out and track down all of these individuals and they realized that two of them have left the country and they're not exactly sure where they are. so let's quote from the inspector general report that we obtained first today. in july 2012, the u.s. marshal service state

it is not like the national security agency cannot find out what the media sources are.fy have got recordings everybody's e-mail us and phone calls. they do that legally by using other countries -- there is a place just off the coast of england that monitors all of the phone calls and e-mail's in america because it is not legal for the american government to do it. has aerican government handshake agreement. that was boycotted. you brought up that the older news conference was boycotted. is not a first if reporters are going to be brought up on charges. basically police action against them, like this thing or ofething, you have freedom the press were not. -- dom of the press decides host: justin rights in and says -- joseph rights in and says -- the new york times look at what will happen next. mr. holder wants to complete the overhaul of department regulations on leak investigations before his tenure is over. a senate adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity because conditions -- because the deliberations are -- jumping down the story, it says -- joseph from connecti

overstays does because which are the information with federal law enforcement, intel and national security agencies in expanding the group of people that have access to the database to include our federal law enforcement intel and national security agencies. and it also expands the requirement to not only just follow these people and determine whether or not they should have a visa reissued, or they're subject to deportation, but actually to locate and commence removal proceedings based on reasonably available resources. so we're expanding into factions. with a number of people that get information here in these overstays status, federal law enforcement, national security organizations within our government. and we're also adding the requirement that the reasonably available law enforcement resources exist, trying to prioritize, that you located in and commence removal proceedin proceedings. >> mr. chairman? >> senator from illinois. >> i will support it and i will urge my colleagues to do the same. >> the amendment is before us as modified by the second degree amendment, and those in favor -- >> m

national security agency -- the big eavesdropping agency. all of those guys who were used to operating in the shadows saw a market for their services as commentators, book writers. so, there was this somewhat uncomfortable interaction between the agencies and these usually former employees. >> at the time i thought waterboarding was something we needed to do. as time has passed and as september 11 has moved farther and farther back into history, i think i have changed my mind and i think that waterboarding is probably something we should not be in the business of doing. >> why do you say it now? damn a because we are americans and we are better than that. guy who i think by all accounts meant well, who served his country well by most accounts for 15 years and some very dangerous situations. he risked his life to take on al qaeda and pakistan. and to take on ever resume -- take on terrorism. he is going off to prison for 30 months, leaving his young family. >>. shane on his feature story -- "from spy to source to convict." jailed cia officer.