i mean i think that it's really evident that the national security state has grown tremendously in size if you look at reports from the washington post in two thousand and ten about so the depth and extension of that state and sort of the understanding that the deity itself doesn't even understand really what the contractor has millions of contractors doing around around the world globally i think there were recent reports about the fact that they couldn't even identify the function of those contractors in afghanistan for quite a number of them it seems clear to me that the national security state as a whole is actually well be on the scope of efficient management i mean in terms of what we can do to rein it in i think that the number one problem that we see is over classification and secrecy the discussions that we're having today are very much around the fact that we have secret courts issuing secret opinions that are not public to the that are not available to the american public and we've heard from from nowhere senators including senators wyden it all this is part of the problem in

to cross out the national security state i'm joined by katherine marr in washington she is director of strategy and engagement at the digital rights organization access and a fellow at the truman national security project in new york we have michael kelly he is a defense reporter for business insider and in philadelphia we cross to dave lindorff he is an investigative reporter author of the book the case for impeachment and a founding editor of the online newspaper this can't be happening dot net all right crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want katherine if i go to you first in washington d.c. when we look at the size of the national security state now is it manageable and is there any way we can reign it in over considering all the things we have heard of the last few weeks and months. i mean i think that it's really evident that the national security state has grown tremendously in size if you look at reports from the washington post in two thousand and ten about some of the depth and expansion of that state and sort of the understanding that the deity

crosstalk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle your mind you were discussing the national security state. ok catherine i got to go back to you in washington d.c. what we're talking about the surveillance in the national security state here but you know when you look at you know the the obama administration is aside to arm the rebels in syria we had libya not long ago i mean our foreign policy national security policy is really beyond the groups of people the average people nobody votes about it there's hardly any discussion about it either. yeah i mean i think that's really right if you look at sort of voting trends what you'll see is that the american public make their decision on very sort of pragmatic considerations around things like economic policy sort of a consumer confidence trust in perceptions of trust in public individuals but foreign policy tends to be very far from the actual discourse and debate if we do have a conversation on foreign policy it tends to be around homeland security as opposed to thinking about the longer term strategic implications of our interventions overs

i mean i think that it's really evident that the national security state has grown tremendously in size if you look at reports from the washington post and twenty ten of it so the depth and expansion of that state and sort of the understanding that the deity itself doesn't even understand really what the contractor has millions of contractors doing around around the world globally i think their recent reports about the fact that they couldn't even identify the function of those contractors in afghanistan for quite a number of them it seems clear to me that the national security state as a whole is actually well be on the scope of efficient management i mean in terms of what we can do to rein it in i think that the number one problem that we see is over classification and secrecy the discussions that we're having today are very much around the fact that we have secret courts issuing secret opinions that are not public to the that are not available to the american public and we've heard from from numerous senators including senators wyden it all that this is part of the problem in that th

from the national security state has given an inch would always take much more than a mile three years we were told the government does not spying on citizens this is not true we're spied upon in unbelievably massive way do we need a super computer to keep track of all the ways we are deceived. download the official publication to choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorite. if you're away from your television just doesn't matter now with your mobile device you can watch on t.v. anytime anywhere. about the g eight in northern ireland where british prime minister david cameron is keen to push forward the issue of tax evasion of a colleague showed thomas in artie's business presenting katie discuss the details . well the international consortium of investigative journalists has come out with all these details and exposed people that are using tax havens from thirty countries literally hundreds of thousands of people have been exposed right now and this is all for a timely considering these are the people that exposed politicians rogue nations or religious leaders oligarch

states come close to worrying they will use this to try and persuade different officials or different governments to sway them for many years written knew or some british people realized that the national security agency was basically using the united kingdom and the largest spying out for the united states is here in britain but who runs the spying who or where is the sovereignty and perhaps british people will realise that they are living in a state where their media and all institutions surrounding them all industrial aspects to civic society are under a kind of surveillance state that is not being covered in the news the problem is the mainstream media will try and prove this and say everyone knows this ever and if everyone knew this all world leaders and all delegates at that summit in twenty nine know that they are being surveilled then why do the british or american authorities do this here in london meanwhile hong kong has launched an official investigation into the extent of united states cyber attacks against its citizens alleged to number in the thousands in the us dozens of lawsuits are being filed against the government surveillance practices that washington is trying to downplay t

the many abuses that have occurred in the name of national security and protecting american lives thanks to the privatization of the national security state which began with reagan and has continued in every administration since the senator obama who stood up for civil liberties and freedoms in an age of increased national security interest has been replaced by a president obama who views modest intrusions on our privacy rights is a fine. even when done by for profit companies answerable answerable only to their stockholders the recent revelations out of the n.s.a. have made it clear that we the american people have a choice to make assuming that we haven't already passed the point of no return do we want government officials in charge of national security or private for profit and an answerable to us corporations that are constantly lobbying and working the press for an ever larger national security state. where our executive branch of government does by do we want them to seek judicial and legislative approval or do we want to live in a dystopian american state like the movie minority report where the us government can do anything it wa

way to better keep their secrets but that task is very difficult today mainly because the national security state has grown too large to control now since nine eleven the size of the national security complex and all of its secrets have grown considerably there are now nearly five million people in the united states with security clearance that's almost two percent of the entire population of those five million roughly twenty eight percent of them have top secret clearance and about ten percent have top secret clearance and don't work for the government but instead work for a private contractor like booz allen and most frightening to the government agencies in charge of keeping these secrets any one of those five million people with security clearance could be the next edward snowden or the next bradley manning former n.s.a. and cia director michael hayden believes one way to stop the whistle blowing is continuous monitoring of those who have the secrets i actually think what we need is a different kind of security structure perhaps not fewer security clearances but a better way to go about clear

>> this is one of the great paradoxes of the explosion of the national security state since 9/11. in order to keep it operative from logistics, to supply, to support functions, to even some of the most important technologies associated with maintaining surveillance, the government relies on this army of private companies. and so the more you have people supporting the growth of this state, the more people you have who are read into these programs that are supposed to be kept secret. the greater the dangers and greater the challenges are that this kind of information will eventually be compromised. >> and the greater the amount of data and type of data. we look at -- there is a lot of talk -- not to get incredibly detailed here but i think it is worth going into -- the patriot act section 215 allows the fbi to collect business records and other -- i can't believe this is actually written down -- tangible things that includes books, records, papers, documents and other items. this was an issue of some concern during the bush administration to the degree that john ashcroft went out t

the privatization of our national security surveillance state developing tools with government money supposedly for the war on terror for public use and then they are turned against private individuals journalists like greenwald and myself so i've seen this firsthand really calls into question whether or not this is war on terror the government's fighting or war on democracy and truth telling brad friedman from the brad blog everyone check it out thank you so much coming on and breaking this all down. still to come tonight visit this year's build a bird and find out why this year's event was different and in the past. the mission free accreditation free transport charges free. range months three. three stooges i free. download free blog can split video for your media projects a free media dog to our teeth dot com. british style. spotlessly. market why not come to find out what's really happening to the global economy with monks cause or for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to kaiser report on. earth. and. play. please. more news today violence has once

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the privatization of our national security surveillance state developing tools with government money supposedly for the war on terror for public use and then they are turned against private individuals journalists. like greenwald and myself so i've seen this firsthand really calls into question whether or not this is war on terror the government's fighting or war on democracy and truth telling brad friedman from the brad blog everyone check it out thank you so much coming on and breaking this all down. still to come tonight or visit this year's build a bird find out why this year's event was different and in the past. nobody chooses to be homeless no one chooses to me and our sorrow. is that it was for the show to. get in the six pm get out six b. six. they were. training school day. to day me the class people in the. days that were against the war. it's tough to think about all of that comes of it. and to know that many may not have only been lost due to ones should never be me but there are also do different closures that never should have. preparations for the first woman cause wh

the privatization of our national security surveillance state developing tools with government money supposedly for the war on terror for public use and then they are turned against private individuals journalists like greenwald and myself so i've seen this firsthand really calls into question whether or not this is war on terror the government's fighting or war on democracy and truth telling brad friedman from the brad blog everyone check it out thank you so much coming on and breaking this all down. still to come tonight over visit this year's build a bird and find out why this year's event was different than in the past. six. years. let me let me i want to know wouldn't let me ask you a question. here on this network and it's one of the things we have our knives out. but if you feel the slightest bad staying there again hearing the story would be an ideal way to talk about the surveillance me. when it comes to the issue of mega corporations and their shady dealings of the food products we consume the focus on one santo can make it easy to overlook other corporations that are just

but there is a problem with the national security state.ng to say that pelosi is on board reining it in, but she has'ed that it is a problem. >> john: what i like about most progressives they're the one who is are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. howard dean said that americans were willing to give up some privacy for safety, but the president needed to ask our permission. now that we know that this president has expanded on main president bush policies, what are the next actions to take? speaking out? >> we have a real problem on this issue because it really does not poll very strongly with the american people. people are sort of okay with giving up a little bit of their privacy. what howard dean said it's not controversial. it's what the polls have been telling us. i think the first step is there has to be an education effort to tell people that maybe this isn't acceptable. now, i got to say that as a latino this story amuses me. first, this is happening. this is not a big surprise for those who have been paying attent

when the national security state is given an inch would always take much more than a mile three years we were told the government is not spying on citizens now we know this is not true we're spied upon in unbelievably massive way do we need a super computer to keep track of all the ways we are deceived. download the official. to yourself choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorite. if you're away from your television just doesn't matter now with your mobile device you can watch on t.v. anytime anywhere. you have. smoked out with tear gas flushed away by water cannons turkish police resort to harsh methods to keep defying anti-government protesters out of his temples taksim square. leaked information revealed american spies based in the u.k. intercepted top secret communications are dmitri medvedev who was then russia's president during a visit to the britain or the g twenty summit this is world leaders are meeting in the u.k. for the g eight. other news shaping the week after exposing the u.s. secret surveillance program as a cia whistleblower edward snowden remains ho

people talking to us in political office have a vested financial interest in defending the national security state, they do. when you look at campaign finance disclosures. when you look at the size of the industry the private contracting industry, a lot of those companies give a whole lot of money to politicians. booz allen is one of them. booz allen is the parent company of the carlisle group. those are huge donors to applications like barack obama john mccain, the political parties themselves. i think one thing reporters should be saying when you hear john mccain come out and saying edward snowden is a traitor, he has committed treason, and that this is worthwhile and you hear barack obama saying the same thing. those are not ideological or principled politicians making a declaration, they're potentially speaking for some of their biggest contributers in terms of their campaign contribution. >> john: you know, mike mcconnell, who is head of nsa now workedonce worked at booz allen. is booz allen becoming the halliburton of our decade? >> well, i don't know--yes in a sense that you can say that me

ladies and gentlemen, as we have already discussed thoroughly tonight the big story is our new national security state. and i am on record as being fine with government surveillance. in fact, i want to go on record right now. i'm fine with it. (laughter) nothing, folks s out of bounds when it comes to keeping the american people safe. that's why i want to commend the tsa for recently doing what they had to do to foil a high profile fugitive who associates with known smugglers. i am talking, of course, about chewbacca. jim. >> chewbacca in the star wars movies was briefly stopped by the tsa at the denver airport because of his cane which kind of lacks like a light sabre. the tsa says the unusual weight of the cane got the officer's attention. >> stephen: yes, peter mayhew was detained. now you may say this was an unnecessary overreach but i for one am relieved the tsa has finally joined the empire in their fight against the rebel alliance. who we all know-- who we all know will stop at nothing to overthrow a dually elected emperor palpatine. no, jimmy, not mitch mcconnell. put up palpatine, oh, my mist

s stand up to the national security state to the surveillance state ok thanks very much and just going to listen yet we're out of time actually michael thanks very much indeed for joining us live. a journalist in vienna so just to confirm with you the latest developments and that is that snowden is now staying at the airport overnight in moscow but he has indeed applied officially for asylum to quito ecuador is latest news here on r t do stay with us for a chat with trailblazing whistleblower william benny binion i should say just about how full of the tendrils of u.s. intelligence extend and the consequences for the general public that special interview next with more of those developments in about twenty minutes from now stay with us altie in moscow. little. i think in the propaganda machine is extremely powerful but the question is about others and you are sometimes aiding in yourself the most it's devastating to gun down laws from the surrounding countries especially from the likes of qatar and saudi arabia. well. among high tech means good health whether it be the latest laser cut

from the national security state has given an inch would always take much more than a mile three years we were keenly told the government does not spying on citizens now we know this is not true we're spied upon in unbelievably massive way do we need a supercomputer to keep track of all the ways we are deceived. satellite bugging fake internet cafe's in a blanket surveillance of diplomats are exposed by new leaks showing even former russian president medvedev was targeted by american and british agents. israelis in new york golan heights the right for a massive military escalation on their doorstep has around reportedly pledges to help present a sad and american move to arm the syrian rebels. in syria pushes money matters into the background as world leaders gather for the shiite summit in northern ireland shielded from protests by colossal ring of steel.

to actually break the stranglehold of the 2 parties have particularly when it comes to the national security state. there are differences in domestic policy between democrats and republicans. when it comes to the national security state they are the war party, period. that you raise it and maybe there are young people in this room who will try to run for those offices and get involved in the school board level, you can have changes, that and confronting corporate money, issues that i cover, issues i care about personally and in my personal life those are issues i work on and along with trying to end the death penalty. i think you very much for coming, happy to answer questions. >> we would like to hear from you. tweet us your feedback, twitter.com/booktv. >> what are you reading this summer? booktv wants to know. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> let us know what you are reading this summer, tweet us at booktv. posted on our facebook page or send us an e-mail at booktv@c-span.org. coming up next, just under an hour, matthew hancock who is a member of british parliament argues until we have a better understanding of human

surveillance program what can we do to rein in our powerful and increasingly corporate sized national security state more with more on that with mike papantonio just a moment also six months after the newtown massacre the n.r.a. is up to its same old scare tactics blasting west virginia senator joe manchin for embracing the obama in toward going to a job in a new ad released this week one of the n.r.a. more concerned about protecting the american people or propping up its gun industry backers and some people say they're not worried about n.s.a. tracking their phone calls or hacking their e-mails because they have nothing to hide those people are sorely mistaken and i'll tell you why in tonight's to take. you need to know this this past week's revelations about the n.s.a. as far reaching surveillance program have reignited the debate about balancing civil liberties with national security well many of us have long suspected we now know to be true the nation's most secretive intelligence agency is monitoring directly or indirectly the phone records and internet communications of american citizens and t

surveillance program what can we do to rein in our powerful and increasingly corporate sized national security state more with more on that with mike papantonio just a moment also six months after the newtown massacre the n.r.a. is up to its same old scare tactics blasting west virginia senator joe manchin for embracing the obama in toward going to joe look in a new ad released this week what is the n.r.a. more concerned about protecting the american people or propping up.

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hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle in the national security stateis given an inch would always take much more than a mile for years we were we keenly told the government does not spying on citizens now we know this is not true we are spied upon in an unbelievably massive way and it's not just surveillance oversight of the intelligence community has been shown to be cavalier this is also true of torture kidnapping detention assassination by drones and death squads do we need a supercomputer to.

when the national security state is given an inch would always take much more than a mile three years we were told the government is not spying on citizens now we know this is not true we're spied upon in unbelievably massive way do we need a super computer to keep track of all the ways we are deceived. download the official application to yourself choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorite. if you're away from your television just doesn't matter now with your mobile device you can watch on t.v. anytime anywhere. or to our n.s.a. surveillance story edward snowden the man who exposed the extent of the u.s. secret global surveillance program remains at an unknown location hong kong waiting washington's next move against him he willingly revealed his identity after leaked documents showing the u.s. national security agency has been keeping keeping tabs on americans and foreigners hundreds marched outside the u.s. consulate to show their support for the whistleblower activists said there were air raids by the level of spying the obama administration is conducting amountin

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states and our allies have changed the way they operate. we've already seen that. to say that that is not harmful to the national security of the united states, or our safety, is just dead wrong. >> glenn greenwald mentioned he

case you missed it here's a refresher it seems that secrecy is actually strengthening the national security state. in order to hide from accountability and oversight. it's more of more than just invasion of privacy it's about destroying the concept of privacy online i say has operated continually under the shroud of non-transparency in secrecy despite a commitment on president obama's first day in office that this is going to be the most transparent administration ever the n.s.a. just doesn't think that applies to them in the quest to hunt down terrorists the obama administration has announced plans to give spy agency as full access to people's finances is going to allow for other roshon of our privacy rights of been going on since nine eleven. the mechanisms are already in place for that type of control and monitoring and some say you're overdramatizing all you have to do is look at what's happening i see it getting far worse it's all it's total hypocrisy as far as i'm concerned this court order was only the beginning it seemed became clear that the n.s.a. had been renewing these collection requ

voted for it anyway it shows that both parties of congress are completely complicit in this national security state that is really abrogating the constitutional rights of americans and i don't think it has anything to do with security at all to be honest with you i think that they're building this massive machine to monitor all these millions of americans at the same time they're saying the threat from terrorism president obama says is that fort mcnair the threat of terrorism is massively degraded al qaeda in the arabian peninsula doesn't have the same capabilities there is lone wolf one of the biggest threats and yet and still there yet do they know that the records that may need your phone records are all they need your phone records to fight terrorism if you like that idea. well. the situation with bin laden where he cut off internet communication he cut off. phone communication suggest that in fact al qaeda is not that busy these days when these conventional routes now conventional routes of communication let me just add here that one of the other extremely disturbing elements to this but congr

oh and welcome to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle in the national security state has given an inch would always take much more than a mile for years we were keenly told the government does not spying on citizens.