nato in fact will be doing that in 2014 in transitioning to the future. as you look out there, what are the changes you see in warfare and what are the trends that you will have to start getting the alliance ready for? >> i think the main change to go away from the large, very large corporations. we still prepare for major operations in case there is a threat to the allies. but we go from this major operations in a member nation to things which are much more defused and more difficult to identify. when we counterterrorism and we start canceling -- all these individuals are there that can pull many strings military sometimes with quite bit of equipment we see now from nations have submarines. >> guided musicians. >> exactly. or we can pull the string and all this continues to be in sequentially. a new very difficult to progress where we get prepared to because engagement is not reducing. it's broadening. >> and that was what increases your focus on both inner operatability and counter-ser-- surveillance. >> and various acts what we call in nato the compreh

would not have been a regime change without nato bombs r.v.s. well i think you're probably right emotionally and so it's going to go on it was very clear from what was said beside what was said selfishly it was very clear that the countries involved including the united states welcomed regime change if you look at the interviews that president obama secretary clinton and so on secretary gates at the time gave it was very clear from the beginning that in a sense the coalition would not simply abide by nine hundred seventy three implications of one thousand nine hundred seventy three but that the regime change was very much part and parcel of the collective durgan i could say with you wasn't that an abuse of the resolution resolution one hundred seventy three. well i think there are many people that argue that indeed what the coalition then they went far beyond demanded that nine hundred seventy three allowed for them and therefore i think your question about whether the responsibility to protect still can still work is indeed a very good one liby

which has made some doubt the council's innocent intentions with regards to libya the promise that nato made to the national transitional council perspective leaders was that they be given a major seat at the table in a new libya so there is power broking going on behind the scenes and i absolutely wager that the same thing is happening with syria they've either been bought off financially or they've been promised a major role in a new syrian regime libya's national transitional council and the syrian national council and it's not just their names they have in common supported and sponsored from abroad think he writes opposition forces and their major goal is to overthrow the regime but there is a difference to the absences huts cortez are not in damascus but here in istanbul we are not talking about democratic regime if i go to syria now we have. you know we have to be executed there howlett says he spent fifteen years in jail in the one nine hundred seventy s. and eighty's just because his father supported the opposition he claims nothing has changed since then and the oppression has

syria right now what you are seeing on the streets in syria is the result of intervention both from nato and from the arab gulf states that there are put dollars at work and there are smuggling rings that are helping bring in the cash the weapons and even some of the insurgents from outside syria into syria to create this kind of situation that is going to end up in a full scale civil war what we have here that's exactly what i did what i wanted to . next to many is some of the latest violence thirty people including children are being killed in the city we've heard about so much the so-called flashpoint city of homs the opposition claims that loyalist forces are responsible yet the free syrian army are taking armed control of parts of the capital is this finally tipping now into civil war is being talked about a lot is this now happening yes that's that's what we have said on this program before more than once and let me remind you that so four we have heard about two thousand troops both from the regular syrian army and the security troops they have been killed and these exchanges so t

of civil war libya's transition away from the khadafi regime is proving far more problematic than nato planners had ever anticipated central civilian control is an illusion and tribal loyalty is strong it would appear it is a lot easier to take down a regime than to establish a new order. to cross not libya i'm joined by dr venter while in hanover he is an associate professor of government at dartmouth college in paris we cross to the end of jonestown she is an independent political commentator and author of fool's crusade yugoslavia nato and western delusions and in london we have nick mayo he is a foreign correspondent for the sunday telegraph all right folks this is crossfire that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it and i'd like to first go to diana diana is the the intervention that we saw nato undergo was it an intervention without responsibility because libya is a mess and it's getting messier all the time and particularly in light of the last few hours a day or so of torture charges and the n.p.c. is proving to be very very inept. well that was pe

states and nato matters. not my words. i have spoken to a number of commanders from the u.s. and they are all highly complimentary about jordan's. -- georgians. >> i am sure the forces are good, but you can see that it is a very peculiar position for georgia to be in, when other countries are falling out. you will be one of the only countries, if not the only, going in in greater numbers. >> maybe we understand it more clearly than many others, for natural and geographic reasons. we have a stake in what happens there. >> let's talk about your own security concerns. one thing americans will think about is the war that you had with russia back in 2008. we have russia's politics again in the spotlight. it looks like mr. putin will be russia's next president. how does that make georgians feel? >> we had the military occupation. that is what it was called by the u.s. administration and european parliament. we have 500,000 people who cannot go back to this area. these are all very strong burdens on us. i think what

torture and execution that we're seeing now so this is a clear recipe for civil war meanwhile the nato operation that brought the empty seat of power is by itself raising questions. the high profile international team of human rights activists has been to alleviate to investigate some of nato that it presents that if it were with their evolution in the fronds. and there were guiding the air raids and they are acting them and court again meeting them if you are mandated. to protect. that thought you are it is very very accurate in a way that i myself saw the killing of so many people in front of me my eyes i saw the killing go fifty one people in front of my eyes being abused was fifteen years old and while all sides in the libyan conflict are to blame for violence and violations the human rights activists claim not all of them have been held responsible for their wrongdoings investigating what happened during libras seven months civil war and the nato campaign to protect civilians this fact mission discovered again crimes against humanity but the goal was not to jog but to shed light o

in this after all nato is a partner of the united nations after all nato has been acting on the basis of a security council mandate so the security council we believe should play an active role also in having this matter clarified but also i think if you put too much emphasis on this issue you will forget that the security council is working quite harmoniously on a range of issues pertaining to the post conflict situation in libya the u.n. mission is there supported by the security council the security council is working on the the resolution which was adopted by. at russia's initiative on looking into the dangers which are there in terms of spreading weapons out of libya which were left on that in the course of of the conflict. helping the libyans to rebuild their political and economic structures so a lot of harmonious work is going on in the in the security council of the united nations even though we continue to have some ideological and political difficult is as to whether it is a loose and nineteen seventy three was properly implemented bus you touched on it just i wanted to pic

end of jonestown she is an independent political commentator and author of fool's crusade yugoslavia nato and western delusions and in london we have nick mayo he is a foreign correspondent for the sunday telegraph all right folks this is crossed i mean you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage it and i'd like to first go to diana diana is the the intervention that we saw nato undergo was it an intervention without responsibility because libya is a mess and it's getting messier all the time it particularly in light of the last few hours a day or so of torture charges and the n.p.c. is proving to be very very inept. well that was perfectly foreseeable. when you when you go in and change a regime by bombing you know you're causing chaos. and they didn't seem to care that they were going to be causing chaos because they didn't like gadhafi and they seized an opportunity to get rid of leader that they didn't like figuring perhaps wrongly that anything would be more favorable since any new leaders would be grateful to them for coming to power but that definitely remains to be

abuse of former gadhafi supporters and there's a very you know sharples hopes are fading that the nato bombs government cache of. doctors without borders node could go in do their job in the most dangerous and notorious places around the globe but in n.t.s.c. run libya the group has encountered a formidable obstacle they couldn't overcome burns through electric shocks and cigarettes heavy bruising and renal failure all these evidence of the continue to churn of prisoners say the doctors and now after two inmates died from beatings the international group has stopped its mission in protest. patients were brought to us in the middle of interrogation for medical care in order to make them fit for further interrogation this is an acceptable our rule is to provide medical care to war casualties and sick detainees not to repeatedly treat the same patients between torture sessions the news comes amidst rising anger with libya's interim government demonstrations in benghazi last week ended with the resignation of a high ranking member of the m.t.c. it started with the very beginning of the reb

nato but i don't need to imagine nato really pushed the envelope and they broke the resolution they were there to defend civilians that was the mandate and they were essentially became the rebel rebels air force and so they were attacking in the the you know almost total annihilation of. the attack on areas considered to be loyal to the old regime and so on and so i think there is. no question that there are many many people who died on the nato bombs if i can just say there was one incident very early on where. the rebels themselves were pleading with nato not to attack various bases around tripoli because they were full of political prisoners and many of those died as well so it was very messy very brutal and i think there's quite a lot of acts of revenge taking place as well and some additional people claiming the west got involved in the war to oust gadhafi and crucially get hold of the oil well if that's the case how legitimate is the m.t.c. anyway if it's been installed by the west. but. i don't see the strange thing for for me to say that this wasn't primarily about oil. they alre

shows a positive sign because it is of the interest of no one of no one's interests that nato steps in there will be destruction there will be chaos as was the case in libya and as we have seen recently in libya things are not really turning into the beautiful democracy that everybody was dreaming off and the same will happen in syria. and now to developments in libya the deputy head of the country's national transitional council has announced his resignation as a series of protests against the new government continue these gold has been accused of being an opportunist who switched allegiances from the gadhafi regime as the uprising kicked off on saturday crowds of protesters stormed the n.t.s.c. headquarters and ghazi angered by the way the council was handling the country's assets demonstrators threw stones and metal bars at the building breaking windows and damaging the car of the m.t.c. head. mass rallies have been raging for the four weeks and benghazi considered at the cradle of the revolution that toppled colonel gadhafi. a spokesman for british civilians for peace in libya says

. -- hit by accident by nato. the poor record of these members led british officers to argue for people able to raise their performance. the u.n. resolution that authorized nato bombing specifically prohibited ground troops anywhere in libya. what about special forces we have learned that the national security council shortly after the bombings started, tasks military chiefs to look at the feasibility of a train and equip people to the caribbean rebels. -- train and equip the libyan rebels. >> we are very clear about the united nations resolution. they forbid any occupation, foreign occupation of any part of libya and we will absolutely stick to that. >> the road to sending british special forces back into libya was throughout qatar. the emirates had stake in -- had taken a strong stance against gaddafi from the outset. this led to a joint mission being established. special forces from all three countries would be sent to libya to assist with training as well as coordinating their command and the nato air strikes.

it will enable us to diversify with our nato partners. i actually see if we do this properly and are focused on this that we'll be able to make this an advantage to us as we move forward. >> tom? >> thank you. general, thank you for your time this morning. i want to talk about the balance between end strength and national strategy. at ausa last year, you led us through a thoughtful discussion about before 9/11, the arm qui was to implement a two war strategy. there wasn't enough there. you say you're comfortable dropping to 490. share us with, sir, if you woshgs what about the new strategy is different enough to give that you comfort level. >> the fundamental principal and the strategy says that we are going to do long term stability operations. and that is what drove the increase in our structure. the fact we were engaged in iraq and afghanistan for eight and ten years. so we know we have a lot of uncertainty out there f we have to do a large scale stability operation, we'll depend on our ability to reverse an expand which will be depend

nato official insisting there was no nato presence in that area when nato was shot down.liban did it or did not do it. >>> stiff winds pushing an out of control wildfire toward the city limits. 10,000 people have been evacuated. the fire has destroyed 20 homes. it's being blamed for one death. there is some rain headed to that area. so hopefully they'll get some sort of reprieve fight that fire. >>> we have some brand new video that's in to cnn. it is shot from the deck of a costa concordia. that's, of course, that doomed passenger liner. take a look at this. let's just listen for a bit. steve, steve, kathy! >> i'm watching it for the first time with you, folks, but i don't know if you feel the chills. that is just awful to hear passengers calling out for their family and friends, panicking and trying to get into life boats, seeing them wear that life jackets not knowing whether the ship was going to sink or not. chaotic and now we know we have a death toll and we also have at least two dozen people unaccounted for. the ship's chef is now report that the captain was actua

hunting of black skins they have they're selling off the oil and natural resources and so over to nato and now the thieves that is the rebels they are all falling out with each other so really this is freedom and democracy by nato it's all become very clear people of syria and the people of lebanon and the people of the global south have to see what's happening in libya is coming to them if they're not able to defend themselves and stop this ruling western aggression against other countries of the global south. well libya's interim leadership also came under fire from the u.n. this week over failure to stop the torture of thousands of prisoners to international organizations doctors without borders and amnesty international say detainees have been tortured and killed in recent months they also point to widespread abuse of former gadhafi supporters as largely as riven osuna reports hopes are fading that the nato by government can actually offer a new beginning. doctors without borders known for going do their job in the most dangerous and notorious places around the globe but an end to

and nato forces in afghanistan in the 2010 issue of "rolling stone". i said it is between you and lady gaga. i was making a joke. general mccrystal replied put me and lady gaga in a heart shaped tub. i thought this is a different kind of general and a different story. >> several months later as a result of the article general mccrystal had been fired. michael hastings talked about the article sunday night. >>> this is c-span 3 with politics and public affairs programming throughout the week and every weekend american history tv, 48 hours of people and events. get our schedules and see past programs at our websites and join in the conversation on these social media sites. >>> the u.s. army chief of staff friday spoke with reporters about the pentagon's new budget proposal and how it could effect the army. he told it reporters that two u.s. army brigades would leave europe. this is about half an hour. >>> i have about ten minutes and then i want to open it up for any questions that you might have. first thanks for coming out on this friday morning. over

world while thousands of people have gathered in central pakistan to demand supply routes used by nato forces in afghanistan are kept closed as long as speakers at the rally called for in the panels from u.s. foreign policy invalid to stage further protests if any attempt to open the channels has made border checkpoints stop supplies for nato troops in afghanistan last year a fall we have strike which killed twenty four pakistani troops. tam

a pretext step up whatever they have emerging which is some kind of intervention you could direct nato you can no needle say don't do it and it was one thing to me and i'm doing something you know it was or it could be prosecuted shem. a serious simmers so too does libya months after the fall of gadhafi playing out in jail doctors without borders says it's suspending its mission to me after being made to treat torture victims who are then sent straight back for further interrogation. in the global markets are bracing themselves to have a crunch vote in the iranian parliament as the world's fourth largest crude producer threatens to hold the oil supplies to europe. us police have used tear gas and flash grenades against some two thousand occupy campaigners in oakland california the crowd was trying to seize one of the city's buildings to make it their new have quaters artist marina portnoy has more. it began around saturday afternoon when roughly two hundred fifty occupy occupy optimists in oakland california began demonstrating in the streets and as hours passed the crowd grew stronger

year in years the killing of bin laden after a decade long manhunt libya's gadhafi after months of nato bombing and the death of north korea's kim jong il don't even begin to illustrate twenty eleven. times shows the protester as person of the year and although there were different slogans signs and demands of solutions twenty eleven will ultimately be remembered as the year people came out onto the streets the arab spring bloomed into a european summer which harvested an american autumn from cairo to california moscow to madrid to her ear to occupy global rallies shared common themes but if one thing stood out in the middle east and north africa alone it was protests that lead down one road regime change. tunisia and egypt got rid of their dictators without war but libya was not so lucky nato allies began a humanitarian mission with a fierce bombing campaign the critics called it a mislabeled invasion to take down gadhafi for benefits the only reason they're interested in with libya is about the oil you hear anybody screaming and yelling about all those people last week they were kille

tunisia and egypt got rid of their dictators without war but libya was not so lucky nato allies began a humanitarian mission with a fierce bombing campaign but critics called it a mislabeled invasion to take down gadhafi for benefits the only reason they're interested in with libya is about the oil here anybody screaming and yelling about all those people last week that were killed in the ivory coast or whose sudan gadhafi was brutally killed in october as the world watched the graphic video go viral thousands of civilians were killed over months of bombing and twenty twelve neared syria found itself in a similar set up for intervention russia and china fearing a repeat of the situation in libya as civil war intensifies this is a direct. act that i read clash between the u.s. and nato on one side and russia and china on the war in on the other side much more david was in libya protests continue in egypt libya syria and many more arab countries as the year ends. the battle to save the drowning single currency left to board rooms and banks in twenty eleven and flooded the streets of eur

and nato on one side and russia and china on the war on the other side you know what she ordered was in league protests continue in egypt libya syria and many more arab countries as the year. the battle to save a drowning single currency left to board rooms and banks in twenty eleven and flooded the streets of europe most commonly and violently in athens greek debt became the centerpiece of the euro crisis protests ranged against desperate austerity cuts to qualify for i.m.f. bailout germany and france fined for influence in the debt ridden zone i think we will see an exit of greece given the situation in which the greek economy find itself has become really unavoidable draining the economy of big brother germany can't go on forever greece and italy are now led by on a lark to brussels back technocrat leaders who are trying to curb the crisis coming into a new year critics say twenty eleven bell outs or bust was the beginning of the end for the single european currency there's every chance that your own is going to crash and. london burned for days in the summer of twenty eleven what

is to create as much chaos through the region as possible in order to justify i believe a stronger nato role permanently in the region. well let's get to somewhere world news for you this hour here on r.t. first our attention goes to that of nigeria where the country's leader has declared a state of emergency in areas hit by a wave of islamist attacks president goodluck jonathan has shut borders with neighboring countries following a string of christmas day blasts which killed over forty the leader has vowed to crush of book militants who claimed responsibility for the attacks and violence has continued since churches throughout the country were first attacked a week ago tens of thousands of fled their homes fearing future violence. in south sudan thousands of fighters from the new or try have laid siege to a town of one of their rivals members of the tribe stormed a people torching buildings stealing livestock and forcing schools to flee that comes just by un troops attempts to step up security in the town in recent months ethnic infighting caused by cattle rustling and left about a th

citizens how they felt about the impending departure of nato forces and most of them told me that they were very concerned about it. they felt almost without hesitation as soon as nato forces left the taliban would be able to sleep because they didn't have much confidence that the afghan government would be able to handle things on their own so i think there's a lot of worry among afghan citizens about what will happen when those troops begin to leave when we talk about nato and the u.s. leaders negotiating with the taliban and to me at least on one hand it makes sense trying to be diplomatic and speak with your enemy as opposed to just trying to kill him but something this as you know a total capitulation on the part of the u.s. government want to get your thoughts on that. well i think that capitulation is the wrong word because you know that serve a victory in the very traditional sense of we killed all of the enemy and now there's no one left to fight and really when was the last time that happened in any war western congress don't fight that way any longer and particularly in afgh

the nato bombings because for months we'll heard from made from nato that they are adopting all those measures in order to make sure that there can not possibly be any civilian casualties and then we had on december eighteenth of this a disturbing investigation published by the new york times which showed that there were dozens at least civilian casualties so it makes sense to us and seems to be a pretty obvious thing that they have this matter investigated in an impartial. and it's a political but also humanitarian case if there are people who became victims of those strikes maybe injured people or their relatives were killed then they should be given some assistance without waiting for a prolonged period of other ongoing investigations like the investigation by the human rights council or i.c.c. the international criminal court which should deal with a whole range of possible. crimes transgressions which took place in libya in the course of the military campaign but i don't see anything and i nato in this after all nato is a partner of the united nations after all nato has been acti