i wouldn't link it to nato. i wouldn't count on nato. probably, if we tried to do that, we would get bogged down, and if it causes a little friction with our european allies that we're not sharing as alexis just mentioned, well, climb on board that because it ought to be, again, demand-driven by what the risks are and how we proceed. i think we also go ahead with that. and then finally, i think the only way we're going to incentivize europe is for their own sense of threat perceptions to change. and i think a sense that perhaps the u.s. is moving ahead and that we're funding ourselves and that we're go to be closed in a world of growing wmd and missile proliferation might be the only thing that would cause that. then i think as the united states and as an alliance, we should be as open as possible on how to integrate. i take that that point of sharing but it's got to be on the basis of europe being in. so i will stop there. >> thank you, kurt, thank you for the excellent remarks. before turn to get audience for some questions, let me exe

of course the international situation feasibly the west and the fact that there are a lot and to be nato exercises in the ukraine the fact. that we have a great deal of talk about increasing defense spending and so on even now. everybody now says the immediate threat of an international war seems to diminished i've feared for remarks that we're in a very in a situation where nato has expanded eastward where it's continuing to carry out maneuvers as the british. navy vessel just going to the baltic sea the are all these things going on and therefore i don't think anything is really resolved by the by the election it's very interesting in washington that what lindsey said is absolutely true in my mind here because it's very unclear who is running the show how much independence the ukrainian president to have these of either washington and brussels because we just heard before we sat down here love it off said that if ukraine signed an association agreement russia will sanction the country here it seems to me that the russian side is being very very patient in looking for some kind of openi

course the international situation these are very the west and the fact that there are likely to be nato exercises in the ukraine the fact. that we have a great deal of talk about increasing defense spending and so on even now. everybody now says the immediate threat of an international war seems to diminished i've feared for a march that we're in a very in a situation where nato has expanded eastward where it's continuing to carry out maneuvers as the british. navy vessel just going to the baltic sea they're all these things going on and therefore i don't think anything is really resolved by the by the election it's very interesting in washington that what lindsey said is absolutely true in my mind here because it's very unclear who is running the show or how much independence the ukrainian president to have these of either washington and brussels because we just heard before we sat down here. said that if ukraine signed an association agreement russia will sanction the country here it seems to me that the russian side is being very very patient in looking for some kind of opening to ta

very march the we're in a very in a situation where nato has expanded eastward where it's continuing to carry out maneuvers as the british. navy vessel just going to the baltic sea there all these things going on and therefore i don't think anything is really resolved by the by the election it's very interesting in washington that what lindsey said is absolutely true in my mind here because it's very unclear who is running the show how much independence the ukrainian president have views of either washington and brussels because we just heard before we sat down here lover of said that if ukraine signed an association agreement russia will sanction the country here it seems to me that the russian side is being very very patient in looking for some kind of opening to talk to somebody they can make decisions in ukraine. well. i'm pretty sure of the decision to be made next a few blocks from where i am right now in the white house and i don't think that bush has any leverage either was washington or was. my done or people of the mob which is still running the show and so far washington i

it doesn't follow that the country in whose security nato has an interest has to be in nato.nato can have an interest in its security that without having it in nato and have th a bright of understandings regarding how it might respond. there is some talk of new members in the eu, and perhaps some of these will seek nato membership. in the recent years some countries have obtained a nato mentorship by being territorial remote from the possible conflicts on the east-west dividing lines. i think more discretion here maybe actually beneficial, and some reflection on this subject might in fact enhance nato credibility. and create some pressure on those members who wish to be active members in nato, to do more to meet the commitments they have formally undertaken. finally, and looking much further ahead, i think that one way or another with or without a compromise solution, i mean is going to become a serious economic burden for russia. there is no way that the kind of economic activity in which crimea has been able to engage in quite probably, a major source of tourism and visits

and nato has role in the last two decades which is a much more out of area operation in afghanistan for example but also a much more aggressive role playing a very direct political role is not to the benefit of the people of europe including the people of ukraine i think that's absolutely true and we're very very much concerned with this at the moment we have nato coming to south wales in the end of august beginning of september we're going to have big protests over this we hope over exactly this question i think it makes it much more dangerous but i think is one of the other contributors said that there's no sense here either of looking at what you've done wrong in the past and we can have a long litany of failed interventions including afghanistan iraq libya the attempt at syria and so on but there's also no sense of foresight was no sense of thinking ok maybe we're going to make the situation worse if you look at why in which people like victoria new and john mccain most of the people of have treated the ukraine it is very very simply that they want this under the western sphere

it doesn't follow the country who security nato has an interest has to be in nato. nato can have an interest in security but without having it in nato and have a variety of understanding how it might respond. there is some talk of new members in the e.u. some of these will seek nato membership. some countries have obtained nato membership by being territorially remote from the possible conflicts on the east-west dividing line. i think more discretion here might be beneficial. some pressure on those member who wish to be active members in nato to do more to meet the commitments they have formally undertaken. finally, looking much further ahead, i think that one way or another, with or without the compromise solution, crimea is going to become a serious economic burden for russia. there's no way that kind of economic activity, made major source of tourism and visits on a large scale coming into ports and foreign tourist engaging in trade, collection of souvenirs and so forth can be sustained. as long as international community doesn't formally recognize the corporatio

of course the international situation feasibly the west and the fact that there are a lot and to be nato exercises in the ukraine the fact. that we have a great deal of talk about increasing defense spending and so on even now. everybody now says the immediate threat of an international war seems to diminish style i've feared for remarks that we're in a very in a situation where nato has expanded eastward where it's continuing to carry out maneuvers as the british. navy vessel just going to the baltic sea the are all these things going on and therefore i don't think anything is really resolved by the by the election it's very interesting in watch a minute what lindsey said is absolutely true in my mind here because it's very unclear who is running the show how much independence the ukrainian president to have these of either washington and brussels because we just heard before we sat down here lover of said that if ukraine signed an association agreement russia will sanction the country here it seems to me that the russian side is being very very patient in looking for some kind of openi

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i think we are seeing nato having to adjust, in some ways it is convenient for nato twe 14 is when -- 2014 they are drawing down their forces in afghanistan. it's very different being out there in the deserts of afghanistan and the sort of fighting there, compared with the sort of operations they are now going to perform in eastern europe which as you say is very similar to the sort of roles that western military's performed during the cold war. >> james, thank you very much indeed. james bays there. pro-russian separatists are reported to have issued an ultimatum to forces in the east. david chater is in luhansk sending us this report. >> the russians have condemned the deadly attack on the regional headquarters in luhansk. a sukoy jet fighter attacked the building with rockets. this footage shows how the quiet, tree lined square was transformed by deadly cloud of shrapnel. the authorities in kyiv claim it was caused by a missile, deploy deployed by the separatists themselves. five people were killed in the attack and many more were injured. the crowds were angry and wanted their voi

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toward russia now it includes not only nato is traditional weaponry but missile defense which is a nato project which is being installed around russia and poland rumania bulgaria and in the black sea because these missile defense systems are now on ships like pac-man if you remember that old game nato has gobbled up all these countries between germany and russia it's now on russia's borders when it came for ukraine in november one thousand thirteen and now at two thousand and thirteen it was packaged as a partnership for democracy and prosperity and maybe that was true but in the package in the documents. were protocols that required ukraine to abide by europe's security and military policies decoded nato it was an effort to bring nato in do you are you crying in the nato through the back door putin's reaction to this since he's become really became leader in two thousand and fourteen years ago has been clear we cannot stop you from expanding nato towards we don't like it but we have to red lines and you dare not cross the former soviet republic of georgia and when we crossed that line

it was an effort to bring nato. you crying into nato through the back door. putin's reaction to this since he's become really became leader in two thousand and fourteen years ago has been clear we cannot stop you from expanding nato tours we don't like it but we have to red lines and you dare not cross the former soviet republic of georgia and when we crossed that line in two thousand and eight you will recall till it was a brief war between georgia our proxy and russia and then we crossed it the other red line which boots. stated ukraine. russia will not tolerate the absorbtion of ukraine. and or georgia in the nato and nor by any rational rule or a history of statecraft would any leader of a great power except that people blame but any russian leader was support in the russian political elite and in russian society could not as russians say lose ukraine now pete the answer to that is. people say well every country has a right to join any security organisation it wants. but that's total nonsense. nato is not a soro

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seventeen billion i think he feels bolstered by obama's rhetoric military ramp up of a nato so that's not helpful when i was in berlin in warsaw a couple months ago saner voices there were talking about deescalation they weren't putting nato on the table i think that's what we need to follow if there are any western voices there are more likely in berlin in warsaw than in washington so that's key for the u.s. government to back down its rhetoric i think vice president a little good cop bad cop vice president biden over the weekend supporting porcher and co and saying yes the peace deals the way to go but then a bomb a talking about military ramp up so you're getting to voices from washington which isn't helpful when it comes to deescalate in the east lynne well you know it's amazing to me six months ago we the possibility of having the current situation seemed unthinkable you have an illegal coup break up the country and now you have more military hardware going into europe i mean what a screw up. well when we when we look back i think in november or even october november december nob

it doesn't follow that the country in whose security nato has an interest has to be in nato. nato can have an interest in the security without having it in nato and have a variety of understandings regarding how it might respond. there is some talk of new members in the eu. and perhaps, some of these will seek nato membership and the recent years some countries obtained nato membership and being territorially remote from the possible conflicts on the east/west dividing line. i think more discretion here may be actually beneficial and some reflection on this subject might, in fact, enhance nato credibility and create some pressure on those members who wish to be active members in nato to do more to meet the commitments they have formally undertaken. finally, and looking much fourth i aide hrks i think one way or another, with or without a solution, crimea is going to become a serious economic burden for russia. there is no way that the kind of economic activity in which crimea has been able to engage and quite profitably named as a major source of tourism and visits and intern

forces in europe and all of the sudden the nato is very much in fashion again in europe we see that nato air force us is going to do the politics dates and when we just one sentence when we think back why or what where the purpose of the nato when it was found that the spare the three things which were set by the first general secretary of the nato lord use me said the three keeps to keep the americans in europe to keep the russians down off europe and to keep the german stollen in europe so at least purpose one and three we see now it's very actual right now ben one of the biggest problems i think when when policymakers particularly in washington when they look at ukraine is that no partly east cannot dominate the west the west can dominate the east and in this is just a historical reality a cultural reality because we have very different narratives of different populations within a country that is so diverse here and i think the diversity of ukraine is so misunderstood when it comes to policymakers particularly people like big torii in new and in this really goes back to what's be

its purpose in engaging with nato was to thwart nato. and so i don't see a need to restart any of those things anytime soon. i don't agree with those in nato who argue that the whole focus is dialogue. and why would you shut down the dialogue? nato's organization is about threats. and we should separate the two and say, no, we're not going have cooperative programs with russia where russia's purpose is to screw up russia's programs. i think we should shut that down, have a different way of looking at russia. then we're going to get to the missile defense systems. we're never going to be able to buy and deploy all the missile defense systems that russia could potentially throw at europe or the united states. so let's not try to do that. i think you might want to have a little bit of missile defense in order to handle a limited, perhaps even accidental engagement. or engagement that can be joined and de-escalated again. you might want to have some limited amount of miff defense as part of your strategy in europe. but you're not going to re

a nato spokesman said there were no nato casualties. the attack has caused a significant amount of damage to vehicles. a complex attack against a nato supply base. we'll bring you up to date as soon as we can. afghanistan has been going through an election process. u.s. troops plan to pull out this year. we'll keep you updated. >>> spain is entering a new era with king felipe vi and his family at the swearing in. these are live pictures from madrid with the king in a ceremonial car being driven through the streets of madrid. many people there welcome him in the madrid sunshine. he is the first king of spain in nearly 40 years. ceremonies are kept low key in the harsh economic climates. they want to project a modern monarchy in touch with the people of the country. we've been listening to a speech by the new monarch. our correspondent is in madrid. how has that speech gone down? how would you sum it up? >> reporter: i've been talking to people gathered with excitement to greet the king and queen when they come out on that balcony. people

all are members of nato. president obama vowed to stabbed by them and uphold the treaty. >> we're here because as nato allies, we have to stand united in defense. we stand together. always. >> and john, the president begins wednesday, his second day here in warsaw with a meeting with pretty poroshenko. , his swearing in on saturday. and then after the meeting, the president has a major policy speech to the people, before heading to russels for the g7 without russia. >> . >> steven, welcome, and what about the trip that the president has made to europe? any chance that there could be some negotiations between the russians and the west? >> there's a big chance, but what's stopping us at the most is the kiev government's assault on western ukraine. i think it's very dangerous, and just today, there was tremendous pressure on putin to do something, and meantime, obama is meeting in the country, with the leader of, with the president of pole abdo, and with the nato heads. now, stop and think, we remember the cold

people now think that poland, is a a nato member, an e.u. member, which is pretty prosperous european democracy would ever be attacked by russia again, but the pols after seeing what happened in ukraine are not so sure. poland is increasing its military spending, and it wants other countries to do the same and as much u.s. help as it can get. >> thank you for your analysis of the situation. well, obama is to meet with poland's prime minister on monday. obama promises financial support to kiev through the winter months as it continues to negotiate its gas bill with russia. the supplier has offered a six-day extension on debt collection, avoiding an immediate cut-off of supplies. the two sides dispute the price that should be paid. the broker said they are closing the gap between them. >> polling stations in syria will stay open until midnight tonight local time. after the electoral committee extended the voting by five hours, a move it said was necessary due to the high voter turn out, but a move that would only affect the areas participating

nato's post 2014 train advised assist mission with the people of afghanistan. today we discussed our coordinated efforts to wind down our combat presence in afghanistan while continuing our commitment to combating terrorism and preserving the gains made by the people of afghanistan. nato significantly has succeeded as an alliance for more than six decades now. because it has always recognized its security threats of the future will not always look like the security threats that you face today and certainly not like those of the past. remarkably, this gathering that is now discussing afghanistan, 15 nations, has come together and stayed together for 12 years. at a time when people doubt the ability of multi-lateral effort to his make a difference, the meeting here today stands in stark testimony to the contrary. it does make a difference. it has made a difference. and at the waleses conference summit, i an confident that nato will demonstrate a strength at home in its unity and in meeting in new ways many of the 21st century challenges that we face today. so i w

we have been very clear as we are defending the i like him it is a nato mission. as far as a nato mission on the other side of the border, there has been no call for that. >> i want to ask you assessment of the russian strategic forces. have you seen money diverted away from them due to the operations in and around ukraine? >> i have no evidence of that. for somet russia has years embarked upon a fairly ambitious reinvestment program and all across the forces and to specific question of diversion from strategic forces to finance what they're doing tactically, i have no indication of that. go back to an earlier comment you made about rotation divorced forces, what types of forces would you be interested in? >> i think the most important first part of the question for the question you did not ask abdul answer anyway. first and foremost we should now pause and determine, should we continue with any of the program reductions that are in the plan for europe? as a result of budget and sequester there are already reductions on the books. so i think the first step in the

nato says five u.s.soldiers have been killed in the province of zabul in southern afghanistan one local serviceman also died in the attack the alliance has given no further details but afghan sources say the deaths were caused by friendly fire this brings the coalition death toll in the war zone to thirty six since january most of the remaining western troops are due to be withdrawn by the end of this year. and widespread floods in southern parts of brazil have left at least nine people dead and three more missing a state of emergency has been declared in seventy seven towns with army helicopters deployed to rescue some of the thousands of people left without shelter the worst affected areas include the state of but are nar whose capital is one of the twelve host cities of the upcoming world cup. next the gun battle has broken out outside kharaj international airport as pakistani taliban militants attacked a security training facility there the gunmen carrying rocket launchers and high caliber firearms s

so we have been very, very clear that as to defending our ally, that is a nato mission. as far as a nato mission on the other side of the border. >> in syria there has been no call for that among nato nations. >> [inaudible] i want to ask your assessment of russia's strategic forces. specifically have you seen any money diverted away from them due that their operations in and around ukraine? >> i have no evidence of that. i see that nato has, or excuse me, russia has for some years now embarked on a fairly ambitious reinvestment program and all across their forces. to your specific question of diverse from -- diversion from strategic forces to what they're financing tactically i have no indication of that. >> general, michael hoffman with military.com. go back to earlier comment you made about rotation of forces. how large of an increase would you kind of look at for that? what types of forces would you be interested in from a ucom perspective? >> i think the most important first part of the answer, or the question that you didn't ask i will answer anyway. that is, i thi

we have been very critical of nato in libya, but we have not alleged that he or that nato was involved war crimes or that he was personally involved in war crimes. >> could you respond also to what he brought up about human rights watch not been as critical of obama administration officials for continuing bush policies? >> two months ago, ken roth -- obama has disappointed many by failing to make human rights a priority. true, he has stood up for people's rights where places such as venezuela and zimbabwe, but his readiness to comprise in places like afghanistan, egypt, leave themen impression he is not committed to the human rights ideal. we have documented in yemen, for instance, the human cost of drones. , the obamaen obama administration, to task for its fire to live up to the promises he made a year ago regarding transparency and use of drones. so just because were not calling for obama to prosecute it, that is not the test. when someone is as involved directly, i mean george bush admitted he authorized waterboarding. human rights watch documented -- we were in libya. our people w

every nato member is protected by our alliance, and every nato member must carry its share in our alliance. it is the responsibility that we have to each other. peoples, wefree join together not simply to safeguard our own security, but to advance the freedom of others . today we reaffirm the principles for which we stand. we stand together because we believe that people and nations have the right to determine their own destiny, and that includes the people of ukraine. a corrupt regime, ukrainians demanded a government that serves them. beaten and bloodied, they refused to yield. they lined up to vote, they elected a new president in a free election because a leader of legitimacy can only come from the consent of the people. ukrainians have now embarked on the hard road of reform. i met with president elect poroshenko this morning and i told him that just as free nations offer support and assistance to poland and your transition to democracy, we stand with ukrainians now. ukraine must be free to choose its own future for itself and by itself. [applause] zero-sumject the thinking of the pas

commitment to its nato allies. the u.s.resident's speech in warsaw was a show of solidarity with eastern european nations. after russia's intervention in the ukraine. todayave come to warsaw on behalf of the united states, on behalf of the nato alliance, -- reaffirm our commitment to poland security. article five is clear, an attack all, and an attack on we have a binding obligation to defend your territorial integrity and we will. we stand together, now and forever, for your freedom is hours. poland will never stand alone. -- ours. poland will never stand alone. estonia will never stand alone. latvia will never stand alone. wlill never stand alone. these are not just words, these are commitments. >> in addition to that show of support, president obama's speech was really an ode to poland and its democracy. >> absolutely. barack obama came to join poland and celebrating with the mayor of warsaw said was the regaining of independence, with elections and solidarity of the opposition movement that was one in 1979 -- won in 197

nato reacts with stony silence on the wiki leaks documents not detail what nato's i going chief traded to the job in the first place. i'll be reporting but then prime minister of denmark reportedly took turkey on an offer to buy his under the sea in return for a media crackdown. plus death row inmates in oklahoma sued the state to stop lethal injections after concerns doctors are using on tested drugs. the shaky truce in east ukraine has been extended with both the army and anti-government fighters promising to recognize that the cease fire which has been in place for a week is part of attempts to bring peace to the region people there say they're exhausted by constant fighting on the flayed in their tens of thousands. if you do you can get there and. if you see in your very eyes even if you today yeah you're with the boys you know they may shake and. that gives that notion that masha and i think it's the think you can use them with the little bit and the i don't like you that i was. less than just take it which would have always made like there's a gun used then you'll hear that a lot

s newsroom i'm nice and now it's night america demands a nato brief stop in europe less than a day after russia takes military action in ukraine off the table plus americans want teams are armed to the teeth and using them we'll look at a new report on raids also go green but in great piece they prefer to fly your in the now. just a day after russia withdrew the option of military action in ukraine the u.s. is pushing its nato allies to beef up in europe president obama is committed that the united states will do its part and he has asked congress for the additional one billion dollars for defense spending in europe. as we head to the oil summit every zero is spending less than two percent of their g.d.p. he needs to dig deeper and make the concrete commitment to do more work or where spending a billion on european security and you should too allies if you spend less than two percent of your g.d.p. on defense then you're not doing enough no mention on russian lawmakers and their move to repeal permission to deploy troops in ukraine in a move to support peace efforts nato did however anno

with that said, there's a realization of nato members. it's given nato a new focus. afghanistan was asking questions what it was there for. they're now going to argue states of nato should be spending that kind of money, 2% of gdp on defense. this will give president obama added pressure to that. >> thanks very much. >>> president obama has defended the prisoner swap, the deal with the taliban to free an american soldier held for five years. sergeant bowe bergdahl was released over the weekend. in return the u.s. freed five taliban detainees held at began t guantanamo may. he said he had obligation to free them no matter the way they were captured. >>> still to come on bbc. 25 years on, we remember the tin men square. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts, ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. whether it's building the world's most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. at boeing, one thing never changes. our passion to make it real. ♪ our

we should also ensure this becomes a nato mission and that nato provides troops along with as we did several times during the cold war. we have mentioned economic support for ukraine. that is important. president poroshenko will have to do a lot of work himself because a lot of money has gone into ukraine without much result. as mentioned in your draft hill, we need to do more to wean gas and fromussian russian financial investments and other pressures that are stable to use thanks to its economy. there are ways to do this that would have immediate and long-term effects. the long-term issue i want to dwell on for a little bit because that is the third order of magnitude we have here. seen in thewe have last months is the next ordinary development in the history of europe, certainly in the history of the post-cold war. i reject the notion that russia was pushed into this by nato's expansion east. i was involved on those decisions 20 years ago, and while perhaps that could have been done differently, while nato moved east, it stood down the vast majority of its conventional forces. rus

happens or kompany the penetration of the of the of the markets and democracy while nato is harmless as well that's another area where you can get consensus but you've got to you've got to you've got to you've got to place those the those you've got to put a good name on top of what's actually going on which is the united states is power is behind the penetration of the of the world by essentially by the one percent. ok james i mean that's a laughable caricature of foreign policy i'm sorry i mean look when when russian counterattacked against the germans in world war two and they said we are fighting against fascism i mean that was true but it also had an interest in defending its own territory so i mean the point that sometime your principles and your actions coincide that's that's a good thing as well but take everything a grand you see that i want to take over the world there's not a lot of evidence yet other than a little let me ask you a question and then give your way you didn't like and you didn't like how i framed it so let's all fame in a different way do you think that the

despite shows of strength like these recent maneuvers in the baltic region, nato's presence in eastern europe is not what it once was. the u.s. has called on the 28 members to increase defense spending in view of the renewed threat from its former cold war enemy. for now, the nato secretary-general has announced measures to help ukraine help itself. >> this includes the establishment of new trust funds to support defense capacity building in critical areas such as logistics. >> but nato appears to be floundering when it comes to finding ways to put more pressure on russia. >> at least 21 people were killed in an explosion at a busy commercial district in the nigerian capital. at least 17 people were injured. >> police say the blast occurred post to a shopping complex. it's not yet clear what caused the explosion and there was no initial claim of responsibility. the islamist group known as boko haram has hit the area several times before. >> our correspondent is there. what more can you tell us about the bomb attack? >> just came back from the small shopping center where the explosion a

we should also ensure that this becomes a nato mission and that nato also provides troops along with ours, as we did it several times during the cold war. we have mentioned economic support for the ukraine. that's very, very important, ma and their president poroshenko will have to do a lot of work and so because a lot of money has gone into the ukraine without much result. finally, as mentioned in your draft bill, we need to do more to wean europe from a russian gas and from russian of financial investments and other pressures. the our ways to do this that would have immediate and more important long-term affects. the long-term issue i want to dwell on for a little bit because that's the third order of magnitude we have. again, what we have seen -- in the last months is an extraordinary development in the history of europe and certainly in the history of the post-cold war. i reject the notion that russia was pushed into this by nato's expansion is. i was involved at a certain level on those decisions about 20 years ago, and while perhaps that could've been done differently, the poin

air missions, it's also part of nato's stepped up presence in central and eastern europe. >> that isussian secretary attacked a border guard base in luhansk and the attack could have been a division to bring people over the russian border into ukraine. well obama's visit comes as nato defense minister meet in brussels and al jazeera editor james is there, james, what are we expecting to come out of this meeting? >> reporter: this is the first of a series of important meetings this week on the ukraine which are taking place here in brussels. today we are looking at the military part of things, nato looking for what else it can do to deter russia from taking further action in ukraine and also about the situation of crimea because nato along with many other countries around the world believe that that is a part of a ukraine that has been stolen. at the moment what you have is small deployments and exercises of nato and troops in eastern europe with planes and aircraft and ships there but they are also now talking about maybe sending slightly more on a slightly more permanent basis that

they were nato but this is quite you political issue which which strike. so that's why we concentrate and environmental consequences often these kind of technologies so that's why for us it's much more important to see that if there were a result of this kind of debates yeah we should also clarify nato said that this was the secretary general's personal views but he did say it in a public speech so surely he's expected his remarks to be taken seriously. well as i said it's very difficult to accept and take this remark and quote seriously. so that's why we try to calm and base this this kind of statement so pure more so i think it's not serious. i don't know what was the background. but i'm here to prof head all of the energy unit i greenpeace russia great to get your input there thank you sir thank you. members all right wing vigilante groups will be going on trial in france later today charged with making death threats against a journalist but they are not ultra nationalist or neil nazis even they are in fact activists from the jewish defense league which

but the fact that we have reinforced our presence in nato countries, the fact that hopefully the nato countries will begin to pay more attention to defense, and to increase their own defense spending, this again is something that i think gives added leverage so a sanctions context. finally, they're at the question for how many things are you willing to threaten sanctions. we've now been on terrorism, we've been on organized crime, and drug trafficking, we've been on proliferation, there's now discussions sort of using it as a tool for human rights. you know one of the things you have to really decide is, because you can overuse these things, what are the national interests and national values which are so important to us as a country that we're willing to use this tool? and what are issues on which, you know, the advocates for this particular perspective will watch you use the tool but in some sense we ought to say you know, we've got to save this for the things where -- that matter most to us, and where they can be most effective. so i think that's -- it's got to be an issue of prior