and that is because of nato, that is because of nato expansion. we need a complete re think when, when ukraine security is considered, it cannot be separated from russia's, and this is what the west, particularly nato does not want to deal with. go ahead in san francisco. i don't think uh, nato wants peace. they may, i agree with you. absolutely. i agree with you. sorry. go ahead. the items are good pieces on the agenda here. they're looking for some formula to begin negotiations without any kind of intent to several anything. and what we've got going on in the american ministration. now there's been some tense, internal battle as to who is going to represent the trump administration in the truck, uh, a self licking ice cream cone. and then this is, it's all her medically close there. and plus, there is no communication with the russian federation at all. i mean, how can use that even think about negotiations? let's go back to the premises. the you discussed with your other guess of united states data or not looking for a piece. the current policy

and that is because of nato, that is because of nato expansion. we need a complete re think when, when ukraine security is considered, it cannot be separated from russia's, and this is what the west, particularly nato does not want to deal with. go ahead in san francisco. no, i don't think the nato wants peace. they may, i agree with you. absolutely. i agree with you. sorry. go ahead. the items are good pieces on the agenda here. they're looking for some formula to begin negotiations without any kind of intent to several anything. and what we've got going on in the american ministration. now there's been some time, some terminal battle as to who is going to represent the trump administration and trying to seek some sort of negotiations. and it's really where it's um, because of the appointments recently looked like a retread. neil cons, i mean you got waltz. do doug work or you got rubio heads. this is probably out and you got the sense is probably in a most of the trouble appointments that was supposed to shake up the div state uh, you know, i th

it does not threaten nato security, but nato threatens russian security. david in salt lake city as well. i think russia definitely does the threatened native security today. they didn't do so before the war that's. that's why it was created in mexico is attacking russian territory. that is a threat is russia attacking nato territory. no, it is. it is not the same thing. you can't, they, you can't pair the to keep going and salt lake city. yeah, you're absolutely right. so nato is being the aggressor here. you know, it's been a fairly demonizes as the dresser. uh, this was not enough for both progression. this was the most provoked more that i've ever seen in our history. and you know, cause want a pc said 15 years trying to negotiate a peaceful solution to the excess dental threat of data on ukraine in every day sense every day since the day after the war, russia has had peace terms that were mostly reasonable and would create the situation for just the last the piece, you know, the real solution is, is on. it's on the negotiating table. you know, we need

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if you don't like nato, the way to express your discomfort with nato is not to invade other countries. so the problem really is russia in terms of what to do. ukraine is a sovereign country, it is a decision by ukraine and the nato members whether ukraine enters or not, not anything to do with russia, per se. guest: let me just reflect on the colors analogy. i don't think we have to imagine circumstances whereby russia or china places nukes close to us. we actually ran that experiment in the cuban missile crisis and we brought the world to the brink of annihilation. so i think we actually know how america would react to provocation with nuclear adversaries dropping strategic bombs pretty close to our home shores. i am a little less suede perhaps regarding the benign neglect of nato vis-a-vis russia. i do think that when russia watched giving assurance, they were concerned, alarmed, and even if ukraine was not going into the alliance, it did appear that the alliance was going into ukraine with arms sales and upper ability. i think those concerns underlined russia's determination to alt

because this with galvanized nato. and they would essentially bring any, even more of these extremists and an expansionist empower in the alliance. so russia certainly wants to make sure that there is no new iron curtain of any kind. russia wants to, you know, re establish connections with you and the best buy toys is that some very optimistic here. i would like to agree that you are right. i'd like to think that way, but garland, when this conflict comes to an end and none of us know how it's going to come to an end, it won't be really over. okay. the sanctions will not come to an end, and it will be a new type of comp, like a rum state from ukraine. i don't really know. okay, but the problem is if you're not looking to create peace, then all of these other problems will faster. that's why i started the program out with means if you don't address what was wrong there were, it's just going to continue under a different name. garland. yeah, well, part of that is, but i'm glad you said that because we were part of a unde

i mean, nato goes on and on about its sovereignty. but the nothing states wants to take greenland away from denmark. i mean, isn't the not in sites with read to the european members of nato now? i mean, you know, to, in one way or another. trump's going to get greenland? is anybody in europe going to protest as well? and again, what did donald trump's foreign policy when he talks about taking green then and the panama canal? so those 2 things. number one, it shows that it's on hinge, and a lot of that stuff i just dismissed donald. trump will say that kind of silliness . and see everybody wants you a girl and we don't want, you know, to, so they tell world calls, russia unhinged. okay. rush. it had a security threat on its border. it complained about it for 30 years, for god's sake. okay. now trump is gonna say, i'm gonna take a slice of europe as i say this over the next year. internally, these politicians and in europe are going to be trying to survive. i mean look what's happening, the re romania look what's happening with german e

there are nato ukraine's ambitions to join it along . there's lindsey, coming out with some revelations on that. yeah, that's right. so he's been a devil. austin, he's been going around senior ping countries need to spend 5 percent of the gdp on defense on the line that's of donald trump because he's trying to sort of cozy up the trunk that he's in the white tabs, but we've also been hearing so landscape flashes weston allies, the 1st time he's trash them. we put them trust them several times over the last few years. but he's now basically said the western allies plowed white lie to ukraine, saying that they won't take you quite to join nato. that's just listen to it yet. say shot, that was not a very transparent pulse at 1st, yet some countries did not support our entry into nato. simple and these were seems a lie. so that's yeah, so we'll see. crane will be ne, a decade has passed. so what happened and ukraine is not in nato, and therefore it was designed us towards ukraine and ukrainians. and was also these on us from a leader rush wh

every day ukraine fights on is a day the european union and nato can grow stronger. first of all, where is this guy get his numbers from? he's just kind of pulling them out of the hatch or out of, i don't know somewhere out of 5 years for until a war in russia. i'd like to see some receipts for that. maybe while i not one is to, by the way, every day that you print is out there, taking the blows, fighting with russia is one more day that nato and the you definitely have to get his hands dirty is what he's saying. but hey, as long as that's still going on, they can keep using the excuse of a more tax payer cash for the weapons industry. of course, he got that forever. war with russia as a pretext for endless defense spending idea from nato. he even said so himself bringing up mark, wrote out the secretary general, which is really just at this point. nato being the weapons lobby for the western weapons manufacturing and its wars are essentially just a showcase window in the same way that department stores put mannequins in the store front window in front of their shots

of nato countries. article by the bad ones as well. so that's exactly when they going to try and do so. i have to somehow that this of act as a triple our and it involves a brings in all of that goal 5. it doesn't disclose, but that's the plan behind it. and that's why i think zalinski is saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's, let's bring in the peacekeepers. that's. that's it. that's exactly what that's doing. so right kenneth, loving peaceful about this. not at all. not at all. and that's why they're also calling them of stabilization for somebody that trying to make this term, even peacekeepers. but, you know, here's the thing, but be off the question. is this activating the optic of 5 in the future? right? but the real question behind this is, what would the russians and the americans think about that? that's the address from those to decide. so the 1st question is, if most go says these are, that's true french tubes to them, untruths, bridges, troops. and i see them as natal, that's the end of the question because that that means a deci

they had of nato. and donald trump addressing to very different quantities, there was very different agendas. i mean, again, trump ones do in the complex. both of you are right to point out when is ending, it really means that's not been answered here. this is a continuation of the blurring. this of the, or the lack of a or the intentional ambiguity of the bite in ministration. trump is getting caught in that, you know, it's early days that to be fair, but keep getting caught in to georgia. okay, take disagrees with me. but, and you can disagree with me now that and comment about the differences between mark luther and donald trump and down those and interesting venue for to meant to be at of but, you know, look, if you break it down, you know, take it away from the people from those pacific people, monk, router and, and donald trump will be seeing and thoughts as right about this. is that on the european side? and my point is this vehicle that's known as, of course, between the pins and the last, righ

i think i can see putting, trying to test nato solidarity because it wouldn't quite be nato. it would just be nato country troops. so i think partly, partly the debates us less than, i'm sorry, is your opinion leaders have to convince their people. they're in a generational struggle and they're not doing a very good job of doing that yet. okay, it's atlanta and a generational struggle around. but the point is, this is your explorer, isn't it? i mean, if, if you crane loses, say, the baltics, poland, all those mo, data that will start to feel the heat when i think there is a lot of rhetoric to that sounds like it's and so i, that's true for rent or it's, it's, uh, it's basically spread by people at investments in this conflict about. so what will happen if this piece is, is that, you know, it's probably not restaurant on some store. there are trying to treacherous mountaintop and the boys will be just a piece of very uneasy agreement. and then they'll be out of political developments in ukraine in the country, which will probably be a very angry about the way it was treated ab

today i armed forces joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces the success or try what to do. really to see that your son sent him a pass since the my, you over to some other fields that on that i do the deal a table needs to set up that to me pretty much similar to, to toothpaste. almost know what i'm doing today. all the of them a quote so that plan, there's even a total distance or going to do them and i to serve as well. no, well, it's good to know and i have your neck in connected by the middle of the way so it won't clean it any way in any way that no the they left the way on that issue to give back this thing with that the, the surgery in that sense, you don't have to force the name to the police that doing the answer very clearly because i'm looking for the for obviously the smallest mr. williams still coverage for the number one. so me, customer service have started still. the lease is of the nation, which is reinforced with the depleted uranium that has a special capacity to pay the trade from a blue cross safety point of view. there is no radiologica

a session into into nato. the mission, public admission, but that's surprise you and why did it take him so long to realize that that those promises we're, we're essentially a pipe dream for you? praying right, not i think that only one has to alaska hasn't fully understood the game that the west has played. use the ukraine, basically as a part, as an instrument tweak and russia. that was always the plan. that was the stage, the busiest japan. that's why the west was involved in ukraine since the 19 ninety's. so it's not true that the west did not want or does not want to include. uh, you know, ukraine in geneva is just that now they are not able to do it. so they're trying to find excuses, but we all know that this has been a clear strategy from the fall of the sort of junior faces from 1991 just to get you know, ukraine, another time to respond to particular ukraine into may to now at the same time, it was the lens key, is trying to shift the blame of mall to the west. this is kind of natural right now the p

yes, ukraine will be a nato a decade has passed. what i mean ukraine is not a nato, and therefore it was just honest towards ukraine and then ukrainians. and it was also dishonest from our leaders lies when some of our leaders said, we were promised that we would be in nato city. this was also dishonest. and i believe that germany in the united states had a weak position because they had a dialogue with the russians. ok any locally with german arthur and war correspondent, thomas roper sage, western leaders dangling nato membership for t of has led to much of the destruction seen since 2022. a great has suffered so much a things to the decision of c lensky. to continue fighting for a membership of nato, this was the official goal. this was the reason, or the main reason why at the conflict started. this was the narrative for 2 and a half years. for this narrative, you create has the joy, natural, hundreds of thousands to craig and died when he is, you know, comes out said ed, sorry, no natural, we will be a neutral state. and then t

you know, why this happened was the nato expansion. he hasn't told when, instead of saying, boy, renal russia is not ready to deal, then he's going to solve applying pressure against the same, formulates as a fail formula, liked waste audit, correct? correct. i would say, i know is i really feel that you are describing one side of a statements. that's what makes them so tricky. but last spring on the other side, he has famously said that the landscape has no angel eyes. and he has actually set at some point, but he understands the rest, some concern about natal expense. and i think that's, that's actually pointing towards some understanding of one of the key causes of the war. we've never seen the funds of buying administration. so the signals from him that he is ready to think as you say, outside the box, the problem is not that they haven't come out, they have come, i'll do it, we can really find them in the record. now, the problem is that they're mixed up with all these contradictory signals that seem to be the opposite. but let me

if you cranes, nato membership is on the table. it will act as a complete block to progress. but it will go to the hun, gary, and prime minister as also slammed to the european union's pro war stands claiming potential nato. membership for cab would undermine any chance for reaching peace or bond said as time to quote silver up, making it clear that he also opposes a membership for ukraine. the slovak in hon. gary and prime ministers have agreed to push for the resumption of the european gas supplies that russian gas applies to europe. ukraine shut down the transit pipeline on january 1st, yoseph victor in former slow by general and ex military attache. so the opposition is using the playbook a wheel position, working very hard, believe it's some kind of generally a manual was into use and ukraine and a few weeks ago in the georgia. and even though it was nice and some presidential election then, oh man. yeah, you know, this is absolutely bad for forced. i belie situation is luck, you know, position working and but i do organize my them is like yeah the most that ation br off

he is, has no particular of the feelings of benevolence towards nato. he would like this to come to an end, but he doesn't really know how to do it. and so he's throwing things around, hoping that somehow this will get him to the final destination. so he started talking about meeting with parents in so that the or would like to arrange a meeting with patients but may or may not happen. and then um, in the past few days he's been talking about the sanctions imposing sanctions on russia. well, that isn't going to work and that's, that's, that's been trying to abide ministration. nato had been doing this is a day in day out. why, what, how, how can that's a get him anywhere? and that's the problem, is that this, the spinal de la, whatever he has in mind is clearly unacceptable to russia. and it's clear that the, what the women trump, himself, what, what, what nato is of u. k. or everyone else has in mind is we'll have a breeza or policy spar in place. we'll have a breather. and then we're going to use this a breathing space to stop pushing in nature for us

you know, most of nato does. but he does seem to say, well, the ukraine wants to deal zalinski wants to sit down and do, but he doesn't think that point in those on the, and he's talked about applying pressure against the russia. now, you know, he may change his view, but there's been nothing to suggest that he is ready to think outside the box this thing imagined at the less to what could bring this. what to and then praising the comforting place and say, hey, that's a great deal. let's just, let's just bring this more to an end and let's talk about economics and, you know, energy production and all of these, you know, building fantastic housing in, in moscow and whatever. that's not going to do the job. i mean, he is, it's clear that the russians want to talk about a serious reorganization of the security in europe. he hasn't talked about that. he hasn't in any way expressed an understanding of, of the, like, the cause of this war. you know, why this happened was the nato expansion. he hasn't told when, instead

that yes, ukraine will be a nato a decade has passed. what i mean ukraine is not in nato and therefore it was dishonest towards you cranes and ukrainians. and it was also dishonest from our leaders when some of our leaders said, we were promised that we would be a nato if they need. this was also dishonest, and i believe that germany in the united states had a weak position because they had a dialogue with the russian is ok, you need. okay. well, indeed, ortho, and we're corresponding, thomas roper told us it's was obvious from the beginning that nato wouldn't be bringing ukraine into the lines anytime soon. i the greatest stuff of so much a things to the decision of c lensky, to continue fighting for a membership of nato. this was the official goal. this was the reason or the main reason why at the conference started. this was the narrative for 2 and a half years. for this narrative crate has to join nato. hundreds of thousands to craig and died. when he is, you know, comes out said at, sorry, no natural, we will be a neutral care state

or the us presence in nato. and i believe that all those statements we can see and hear, made by the media and different commentators result from the lack of knowledge about the specificity of present in terms of policy and perhaps a misunderstanding of his approach towards nature. they don't understand this approach. they do not want to understand this, but i did not post this month in your phone cause there was a much president trump had been very proud of securing a broad commitment of many nato members to 2 percent of defense spending of their g d, p. you wrote a washington post op ed in which you said that number ought to be 3 percent. my understanding you saw president trump shortly after that. and now president trump is talking about a 3 percent target for nato member nations in their contributions to comment security. we use a source of the 3 percent target that donald trump is not talking about that populated in march 2024, i was in washington and met with president joe biden on that occasion. i propose

the, the the lifestyle, all americans today are on forces joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces the excess or try what to do really to see that your son same thing will pass since the my, you over to some of the field tell them that i do the bill a day and i'll need to set up that to me pretty much similar to to toothpaste. i most know what i'm going to else, the of them a quote to that plan. there's even a total distance are going to do the medical center as well. no. well, it's good to know i'm, i do and i can connect my the middle of the way. so i mean, any way that no, the middle left where they will not easily she talk about this thing with that, the police said a vast sense. you don't have to force them into the police that doing the counter valve cover because i'm looking for the for obviously the smallest some williams still cover up for the number one . ok, so me customer service status. the, the base is of the nation, which is reinforced with the depleted uranium that has a special capacity to penetrate from lucre safety point to view. there is no ra

so in a true sense, i saved nato, but nato has taken advantage of us. and one of the problems that i have, and i've said it openly, i said it to president zelenskyy. europe is in for a tiny fraction of the money that we're in now. whether you like that situation or not, europe is much more affected than the united states. we have a thing called the ocean in between us, right? why are we in for billions and billions of dollars more money than europe? and, you know, they're a similar size, a little smaller, but they're a similar size economy as the united states. when you add them up. and yet europe is in for a small fraction of the number of the united states is in. now, biden could have called them up during the term. that's what i did. i said, you have to pay your bills. and they all one stood up. i won't say who. you'll probably have it because the papers, the media hated to report on it. but a prime minister stood up from a country, you know, a famous meeting of 28 nations with no press, no anybody in the room. he stood up, he says, does that mean if

so what happened and ukraine is not in nato. and therefore, it was designed us towards ukraine and ukrainians. and was also these on us from our leaders rush when some of our leaders said not we were promised that we would be made to us if they need resource. also, it is honest. and i believe the german in the united states had a weak position because they had a dialogue was a rush, great in the gemini and the united states. we know according to zalinski on the side there to that we also heard from hunger in slovakia, who met a in brought to solve this was open and a seat. so folks saying that that countries weren't supposed to need to save it for ukraine. but i think what we need to look at here is if it's true that western allies who never want to do cranes during the day to live, why have we have this? who ha, but the last 3 years where we have heard need to leadership and west somehow is saying, well, it's up to you quite. and if they want to join nato, we support them if they want to do it on i think the onset is very clear

nato. we inherited a strategic concept, as nato calls it, basically the blueprint that nato allies agreed to for what the alliance is going to be all about, that when we came in was 10 years old, the word china was not in the document. now of course, china is a focus. not because we want to take nato out of area to the indo-pacific, but because the indo-pacific is coming out of area into nato. so, i think from where i sit at least, because we've been able to build that kind of convergence, that acts as a much greater deterrent. last thing is this. china of course has watched very carefully and very closely how have we and so many others responded to the russian aggression against ukraine. and one of the most powerful things that was said at the very outset of the russian aggression was from the then japanese prime minister kishida. who stood up strongly for ukraine, even though this was happening half a world away and not something that would preoccupy most japanese on a daily basis. and he

nato involvement up to and possibly include in ukrainian membership in nato. and these are, these are unacceptable as far as russia is concerned, but that's what soleski wants. so it's a recipe for more and more war for the war, continuing on indefinitely. well, back in the washington, the us secretary state has confirmed it started the weapon, spoke to k, a months before russia launched it smells reparation in 2022 most go said that this was no revelation, but one of the reasons it's hand was forced 1st. if you look at the trajectory of, of the conflict, because we saw it coming, we were able to make sure that not only we prepared and allison partners are prepared to ukraine, was prepared. we made sure that well before the russian aggression happened, starting in september comp, the russian aggression happened in february starting in september. and then again, december, we quietly got a lot of weapons to, to ukraine, to make sure that they hadn't had what they needed to defend themselves. things like sting or it's javelins that they could use. russia has been

problem also i noticed was that some of the of the, my fellow americans today i on forces joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces the keeps this or try what to do. really to see that your son sent him a pass since the my you over to somebody to tell him that i do the deal. a state law needs to send that to me pretty much similar to, to, to take so i most of what i'm going to else, the dilemma quote. so that plan, there's even a total distance that i gotta do with him and i can understand as well. no, well, it's good to know and i have your neck and connected by the middle of the way. so cleaning the way in any way that no the they left with their own that issue to get back, basing with that to the front of the century. if that sense you on app before they made that up, all the said doing the valve cover for the for obviously this morning still covered up for the game or one. ok. so me, cousin with samuel standstill. the space is of the nation, which is reinforced with the depleted uranium that has a special capacity to penetrate from a blue care safety point of vi

i know you mentioned ukrainian a membership as nato. of course, that is always on the table when it comes to the demands, but would need to be willing to accept a member involved in an act of conflict with russia. almost certainly not. we've already seen during the war the us, germany and others be incredibly reluctant to even consider ukrainian membership in the alliance so long as the war is a hop war. and indeed, there should be concerns as long as the war may resume the future. this is not a candidate for membership that the alliance would like to take on at this time. now speaking pragmatically, what type of concessions would both sides have to make if they are to reach a ceasefire deal? well, i think on russia's part, it's going to have to give up the idea of controlling ukraine even by a proxy, by the knots of finding the regime is they put it. that's obviously a method that's certainly the claim. likewise, they're going to have to accept the ukraine will have to have the ability to deter it if not defend itself in the future usi

you know, the nato commanders chose uranium weapons for that powerful penetrating power, but they ignore the consequences of those in the affected area. from march to june 1999, thousands of cruise missiles and tens of thousands of adams carrying tons of depleted uranium rained down on the former yugoslavia. how sad the sweet just the assessment ball is this the more fema your munich way? so them by the sound reported the for ship desk. you sound like where you my story are done. done. us mean that way. if nice, who got some guys on the, i'll initially a phone on me like split our limit. we'll stick with them down and see why that is going on right? the minute quickly. so that explore data more threat. you seen them, you know, stand on, we split all junior there. that's what you said. they're guaranteeing that not to me as mentors really on the bus last name of course. and what do mess it's got questions on the bottom. the when you're on your board showed the property since then the village of buzzing you of us has suffered an uncle, logical academic with some of the rarest forms of canc