also with us, neal katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general, and msnbc legal analyst. neil, what were the highlights of today's hearings for you? >> well, first of all, i want to say i think it started with exactly the right question, which is why vice president pence waited until january 6th to announce his opposition to the crazy scheme that everyone knew was unconstitutional. but the second part, the second question or corollary to what you are saying, which is why is the vice president waited until now, or in fact, even now is still hasn't come before the committee and told us the truth of what happened on that day, or the proceeding days, what's happened afterwards? and so, the vice president, you know, what stands out for me is that the vice presidents aides they were brazen and told the truth under oath before this congressional committee. and the vice president himself gets a lot of credit for what he did, ultimately, on january 6th. but we are missing a huge character in this story, and the committee has done a great job of trying to fill in those details with

it could either be last word or i know you have a question for neal. >> i want to fight with neal katyal the third audience was the most abstract but most important and i would say, i mean, it kind of depends on a lot of things, but one reason why i think the first audience may be more important, neal, is that if we were past the threat to democracy, i would definitely agree with you, that the history is what matters. but we're not past it. so american public opinion is going to determine who wins the midterms, who wins the 2024 elections, and as long as the democracy's still under threat right now, moving the needle politically, even if it's just a little bit, as nicole has pointed out, not trying to win millions and millions of converts but just enough to be able to make sure that democracy holds in 2022 and in 2024, if we don't get through that, i don't really care about history very much. >> and john, i don't disagree with that. i think obviously, the politics of this and at this moment, when we're so close to possibly losing our democracy again through cockamamie legal theories is i

also with us neal katyal, former acting u.s. general, and an msnbc legal analyst. barry berke, you have so much experience in jury presentations, and this strikes me as a jury presentation, and when you think about the jurors that you don't yet have, you can sometimes get a feel for jury, and think, you know, you've got some on your side, you kind of know who they are. but when you think of the jurors out there in the american public, who the committee doesn't yet have, it seems that rusty bowers today was at their best reach yet, their best attempt to reach the jurors who they don't yet have. >> lawrence, i couldn't agree with you more. today was a wake up hearing. the election officials and workers, they're the lifeblood of our democracy. and officials we heard from today, they wanted trump to win. they just wanted him to win fair and square. so, they were giving cost of those americans want to believe the president when he says something, when he says the election was stolen. and he, today, and the other officials who testified, who also wanted trump to win, the

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off broadwater, frank figliuzzi, and neal katyal. this is also primary night in america, four different states today, nevada, north dakota, maine, and south carolina. yet again, donald trump's endorsement power is being put to the big test. looking for, as steve kornacki is back at the big board, steve where do we stand right now? >> well here is the biggest one for donald trump. i think even more the most tonight, we can say, he got it. he got his candidate, russell fry, to victory, in the seventh district in south carolina. republican primary here, trouncing republican incumbents, tom rice. one of the few house republicans who voted to impeach donald trump. following the events of january six. this was the first time in fact, during this lengthy primary season, that we have seen a republican come before republican primary voters after voting to impeach trump. and face a trump backed challenger. here is the verdict from the voters of the seventh district of south carolina, more than 2 to 1, russell fry state legislator, crushing tom

neal katyal, claire mccaskill, jackie alemany, thank you so much. coming up, january six, jamie raskin is here to share his thoughts on tonight's hearing. his take away on what my be accomplished and what is left to be done. the 11th hour just getting underway on this very important thursday night. sday night it's time for our summer sale on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movement and automatically adjusts so you both stay comfortable, and to help you get almost 30 minutes more restful sleep per night. and now, save up to $700 on select sleep number 360 smart beds. plus, 0% interest for 36 months. only for a limited time. >> there is a reason why people serving in our government taken oath to the constitution. as our founding fathers recognized, democracy is fragile. people in positions of public trust are duty bound to defend it, to step forward when action is required. in our country, we don't swear an oath to an individual or political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. and that oath must mean someth

and neal katyal, department of justice veteran, and former acting solicitor general during the obamaistration, who has argued dozens of cases before the u.s. supreme court. phil, i'm gonna start with you, with the obvious question about tomorrow. any clue what we're about to hear, and from, and who from tomorrow? >> well, ayman, the january six committee surprised folks today by announcing that would be this hearing today tomorrow, that would include a newly-obtained testimony. clearly, what this witness has to say is urgent. it's something that the committee felt could not wait until a few weeks into july, which was when they were expected to resume these hearings. my colleagues at the washington post, the reporting that one of the motivations for doing this hearing so soon as because of credible threats, security threats that is, against this witness. but the committee has been very tightlipped. they have not revealed who this witness is yet, and they want people to stay tuned for tomorrow. the hearing begins at 1:00, and we'll have to find out tomorrow what sort of topics it will

former solicitor general and msnbc legal analyst neal katyal and "new york times" justice department contributor katie benner. good morning to you all. katie, wapt to start with you to set the stage for what we're going to see today. we got that reporting last week from "the washington post" about that meeting inside of the oval office with the three witnesses that we're going to see today and president trump and jeffrey clark, an environmental lawyer at the department of justice is trying to take over the doj by supporting donald trump's fantasy about the 2020 election having been rigged. so what do you expect to hear from the witnesses today? >> sure, so much of what we're going to hear today has been previously reported. certainly there was somebody inside of the justice department named jeffly clark, who was trying to install as the attorney general in order to enact various plans that would help donald trump undo the election including sending letters to states lake georgia falsely stating investigated fraud claims and felt there was merit to them. that wooz not true. nobody at

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. >> joining us now, neal katyal former acting solicitor general, and barry berke, who served as specialnsel to the house judiciary committee during trump's first impeachment trial, and committee member counsel during trump's second impeachment trial. and barry berke, let me begin with you, open question. what were the high points for you in this hearing today? >> lawrence, i'm glad you asked. she was an incredibly powerful witness, because she showed the lie to all of donald trump's defenses on january 6th. the lies he said during our impeachment of him for january six, as lawyers said and his supporters, he claimed that he had no idea they were anything but peaceful protesters. the testimony show that he was repeatedly warned there were gonna be violent people, knew they had guns, but wasn't concerned because they weren't there to hurt him, knowing they were there to hurt others. two, he claimed there was a peaceful speech, how would he know it would incite the crowd? his legal counsel told them he'd be facing criminal charges, if he encouraged them to go down to the capitol. he said t

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coming up, more on that raid, what neal katyal called the worse news for donald trump today by far, and bill barr revealing for the first time why he thinks he is key to the peaceful transfer of power. okay. >>> and in other january 6th news there is more evidence coming out for the footage you see here. never before seen from the controversial documentary. we're going to show you some of that before the hour is up. stay with us. you're watching msnbc's special coverage of the january 6th hearings. g msnbc's special coverage of the january 6th hearings woah! look out! [submarine rising out of water] [minions making noise] minions are bitin' today. (sung) liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. minions: the rise of gru, in theaters july 1st. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. with skyrizi 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infec

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. >> joining us now, neal katyal former acting solicitor general, and barry berke, who served as specialcommittee during trump's first impeachment trial, and she commitment council during trump's second impeachment trial. and but barry berke, let me begin with you, open question. what are the high points for you in this hearing today? >> lawrence, brad you asked. she was an incredibly powerful witness, because she showed the lie to all of donald trump's defenses on january 6th. the lies he said during our impeachment of him for january six, as lawyers said in his supporters, he claimed that he had no idea there were anything but peaceful protesters. the testimony show that he was repeatedly warned there were gonna be violent people, knew they had guns, but wasn't concerned because they weren't there to hurt him, knowing they were there to hurt others. number two, he claimed there was a peaceful speech, how would he know it would incite the crowd? his legal counsel told them he'd be facing criminal charges, if he encouraged them to go down to the capitol. he said that he never intended to

. >> neal katyal, to jackie's point, we know that john eastman's plan was one that he knew.id this. "well, yeah, you're right, we would lose 9-0." he knew he would lose every supreme court justice. we know from judge luttig that there was no basis in the constitution or laws of the united states at all for the theory espoused by mr. eastman. at all, none, was his quote. and we know that eastman's thought process, his mind had wandered to the need to be put on the list for pardons. what kind of exposure does john eastman have criminally? >> well, i think as donald trump would say, huge. it's massive. and the picture that was painted today, both with what you're saying, nicole, and more generally, like, you get this picture of donald trump going attorney shopping, trying to find an attorney who's going to say the nonsense that he wants them to say. he finds eastman, and then eastman goes kind of legal theory shopping. he tries to come up with whatever theory he can. that one, you know, when one gets thrown out, you know, as 9-0 loss or something like that, he then pivots to an

. >> barry berke and neal katyal, thank you for serving us the last words legal team. once again, we always appreciate. >> thank you. >> and let's listen to more of what cassidy hutchinson said today. >> i remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and really, it felt personal. i was really sad. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic. it was an american. we were watching the capitol building get defaced over a lie. and it was something that was really hard in that moment to digest, knowing what i've been hearing down the hall in the conversations that were happening, saying that we come up, and knowing what was happening on the hill, and it's something that i still struggle to work through. the emotions of that. >> joining us now is olivia troye, former top aide to vice president mike pence. she attended the hearing today. she is a former colleague of cassidy hutchinson. olivia, i just want to read for the audience the tweet that she was just talking about. it was donald trump tree tweeting at 20 4 pm on the capitol, and that was being televised, he was wa

we now turn to our experts, former acting attorney general neal katyal and emily basal. , i walked through what stand out to me. i'm curious your thoughts. >> i think you did such a service by outlining what this plot was. alternate electors are like alternative facts. it's not a thing. and your description of the trump/eastman theory is exactly right. the theory was, let's name some rando alternative electors be that will create uncertainty and give pence cover to pick trump as the president. the problem is eastman knew the fake electors had no legal stand bug still said their presence would create that uncertainty, and that would make at enough. i have no idea where this uncertainty was supposed to come from. one state was certified by the state legislalegislatures. the other time was not. i'd have a harder time picking apart a don i can and pinata. the trump officials themselves knew this was legal garbage. there's one email from a trump campaign official, a georgia person trying to hatch the alternate electors' plot and says, the duties are imperative to determine the

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joining our conversation, msnbc legal analyst neal katyal, former acting solicitor general, now a lawis here, former fbi counterintelligence agent. i want to ask you, neal, first, about how they have layered into other themed days, other themed buckets of evidence the complicity and participation and activism of republican elected officials. >> exactly, nicole. that's the big painting set today which is a concerted plot not just in one state but in many states to have these fake electors and to intimidate election officials, both high and low state election officials were subject to this targeting. but to me, that's basically what the painting of all the hearings are, but today, really, i think the key thing was the committee's evidence that donald trump directly was involved in this false elector's plot. it's not just about donald trump having fantasies about winning the election when everyone in the reality-based community was telling him otherwise. that's what we've heard the last few hearings. but today, we heard that donald trump was actively manipulating the levers of government

neal katyal with georgetown university law professor, charlie sykes is here, editor at large of the bulwarkdes joins us, former deputy national security adviser to president obama, all msnbc contributors. i'm going to play some more of it, either for anyone who didn't see it in its entirety or anyone who didn't see it with the four of you to provide context. i have to start with jackie alemany, i will not ask you how you knew or who told you, but you were pressing it 24 hours ago and you pushed back against john carl who said don't expect a john dean moment. you said i don't know. what did you know? >> i think if we're looking at the hearings this committee held so far, even the hearings that didn't technically reveal any new information were fairly jaw dropping, just hearing these witnesses speak in their own words and tell the stories up close with personal anecdotes about the ways in which the former president tried to abuse his power and stay in office and overturn the results of the 2020 election have been shocking, and all along cassidy hutchinson has been a consistent voice that has

. >> neal katyal, kicking us off on the big night. thank you very much. coming up, there are new questions about the hearings and whether trump will actually be held responsible. are these hearings accuse him of crimes? we have a special breakout on that with john flannery sbnch what are we asking teachers and republicans to do while we block gun safety? one eacher reaching millions by explaining the concrete steps she has to take to avoid being more in anger from school shooting violence. she's my special guest tonight. >>> and later we have an insider dishing on what the murdochs have brought across america. tina brown makes her beet debut. that's tonight. stay with us. debut. that's tonight stay with us latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly

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let me read what the former solicitor general neal katyal.the decision was announced. going to be very weird if the supreme court ends a constitutional right to obtain an abortion next week saying it should be left to the states to decide right after it just imposed a constitutional right to concealed carry of firearms. saying it can't be left to the states to decide. you have an amendment, 2nd amendment. >> look at these two issues together, one conclusion you can draw, no way you can argue that the supreme court is not just another partisan player in national politics, the idea that it's a dispassionate group of nine people who are going to look at the law, it seems to me that has been shredded and what we're left with a sense, here's another place, another polarized place where politics is what matters, the president who appoints you is what matters the confirmation process saying as little as possible about the issues that matter and then you're on the court. one difference, lifetime appointment. the justices who made this decision are mo

also neal katyal, former acting solicitor general, joyce vance, nbc legal analyst, and dahlia, seenial editor and host of the amicus podcast for sale. neal, give us a bigger picture of what pete williams is announcing. >> this is as devastating a ruling as can be imagined. it looks very much like the draft opinion that was leaked last month. i haven't done obviously a word comparison, but it does say roe v. wade is overruled. it's a 6-3 vote on the bottom line. the chief justice, chief justice roberts, concurs in the judgment, saying he disagreed with the majority's decision to go so far as to overrule roe v. wade and that he would have upheld the mississippi law on a more minor -- on a more narrow basis than the three dissenters led by justice breyer, are vehement, saying this is improper. the justice says one result of today's decision is certain. the curtailment of women's rights and of their status as free and equal citizens. and what this decision means is that you no longer have a right to an abortion in any of the 50 states if a state legislature wants to take that away from you

. >> barry berke and neal katyal, thank you for serving us the last words legal team. once again, we always appreciate. >> thank you. >> and let's listen to more of what cassidy hutchinson said today. >> i remember feeling frustrated, disappointed, and really, it felt personal. i was really sad. as an american, i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic. it was an american. we were watching the capitol building get defaced over a lie. and it was something that was really hard in that moment to digest, knowing what i've been hearing down the hall in the conversations that were happening, saying that we come up, and knowing what was happening on the hill, and it's something that i still struggle to work through. the emotions of that. >> joining us now is olivia troye, former top aide to vice president mike pence. she attended the hearing today. she is a former colleague of cassidy hutchinson. olivia, i just want to read for the audience the tweet that she was just talking about. it was donald trump tree tweeting at 20 4 pm on the capitol, and that was being televised, he was wa

former senator and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill is back, and joining our coverage, neal katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general, now a georgetown university law professor. neal, for me, when i hear of the things happening in the west wing, which, when you work there, it's such a blessing, think of the trump west wing staff the way they conducted themselves, debasing that space, it has a physical impact on me. this was your sacred space, the department of justice. how is watching this today? >> it was so harrowing for me, because there's -- i think when you saw richard donoghue testify today, that's the soul of the justice department. it's not political. i worked for two attorneys general who went after republicans and democrats alike. they didn't protect their friends. it's a nonpolitical place with highly structured traditions and what we saw today was donald trump blowing past all of them, and look, there's nobody who cares about the criminal case against donald trump more than me and the evidence today was overwhelming about that, but the first thing, my emotional react

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