and that's why states like illinois, new york, new jersey, new mexico all within the past few years haved any more money-a bollish it, it's really not doing anything for the safety of society. >> kent, you've said the process should be streamlined to save money, but others argue that if you just choose life in prison then the costly appeals process, all the lawyers, all those days in court wouldn't take place. what do you say to them? >> it's not true that the appeals process couldn't take place at all. a life without parole sentence is still a sentence. the person is still entitled to paem. he can still file habius corpus petitions. and as far as the guilt phase of the trial goes, there really is no moral justification for spending a penny less if a person's going to be sentenced to life without parole to make sure he's properly convicted than if he were to be sentenced for death. the additional expense comes primarily from reviewing over and over and over again the decision on the choice of punishment. and we simply don't need as many reviews as we have. >> so richard, what's the answe