i interviewed her for the new yorker. it's good to be able to talk now. i think for you and me, we are a little bit biased. our brains naturally go to the fact that the story of consciousness and labor, this is a single story of the country. we both are inclined to think that way, but to me, i wanted to ask you how much do you feel like consciousness has changed, has been at the forefront of the last couple of months? >> guest: not enough. i think that it's unavoidable. you can't avoid the fact that the stimulus package is aimed towards the big corporations and the wealthy. how people are absorbing this and beginning to try to act on it, that is the story in which you did a great job in this week's new yorker. what is it on the mutual trade associations that are forming, scrubbing of spontaneously around the country to help with things like groceries and getting people to the doctor, stuff like that. i love that piece. by the new yorker or whatever you do to read these days. >> host: what's on that piece that's interesting i think it's true that the stimu

a family robinson piece in the new yorker that was just, i can't find it. oh, no. it's just like the quicker, the quicker and more directly that people can call bullshit, you know, it's like we just can't beat around the bush at all anymore. you never have though. >> no. i think it's possible to speak more plainly than we ever thought. it's possible to say yeah, socialism. that's the general direction i want to go in. or unthinkable. some things were unthinkable even -- sorry. my technician is helping me here. so i i sort of lost the train their. >> somethings were unthinkable. >> all, i mean, even to talk about medicare for all, you know, socialized medicare. that was unthinkable a few weeks ago. now what's the alternative? we have no alternatives. no sane ones anyway. if i'm having a last word here, i want to say it's people like you, jia, who give me a great deal of hope and my technical assistant here who is my very own daughter who wrote a book and who is also a writer and troublemaker in many, many ways. so consider the torch passed. >> i don't think

john updike: that was written when he was retired at the new yorker.k over freighted and so for those few years, robert who i have known from when he was head of random house was the editor. and he had his own scholarly approach to the books department and sent me the library of america complete works of benjamin franklin . think it was complete . completed enough for me. it is 1200 pages . on franklin. but i was a practicing professional writer and i actually read it . i made as many pleasantly good minute round the piece you probably remember to never hurt anybody other than the scholar have anything to say but that piece. but i was part of it. i thought i was full of information about franklin. in may kind of a story about it. went back to the puritan void boston. and so the kind of came out from one another. that was my thought . and but she knows the piece is a piece i am proud of. it appears i think either an odd jobs matter. one of the companions of my nonfiction prose . host: from texas. welcome to the conversation . >> my question is from the

>> aside from listening to npr or reading the new yorker? >> yes, actually i love npr, thank you, dina. >> plug, plug. [laughter] >> no, this is a fantastic question. you probably know this already and many people might know this, but i think section 230, which gives twitter and facebook and google and all these on-line platforms, they have no legal liability for false statements and slanderous statements that are posted on facebook, twitter, and the on-line platforms. if dina slanders someone in her story, if i slander someone in a story in the new yorker, i can be sued for libel. some argue those laws are too loose. so i would make -- realize that absolutely everything you are seeing on-line has not been fact checked at all, and then this will sound hokie but i mean it. if you are a conservative and you are seeing these crazy things in your facebook feed and you are not reading them in the "wall street journal," i would use the "wall street journal" news pages as your guide. what you're seeing on facebook is false. the "wall street journal

in the new yorker that was can't find it. oh no. the quicker and more directly the people get called bs, like we just can't beat around the bush anymore rated you never have though so pretty. barbara: i think it is possible to speak plainly. possible to say, yes socialism. that's a general direction i want to go in. or it is the unthinkable. some things were unthinkable. sorry. my technician is helping me here. i sort of lost the train there. some things were unthinkable. even to talk about medicare for all. socialized medicine. that was unthinkable a few weeks ago. now, we have no alternative. the same ones anyway. if i'm having a last were here. i want to say it is people who could be a great deal of help for you. and so my technical assistance here with my very of daughter growth book . was also a writer. a troublemaker in many ways. so consider towards past. [laughter]. tai: i don't know if i'm worthy of carrying that torch. unless were to i think i have been thinking about in terms of how to frame socialism is the way i think i

african american new yorkers had to find other places to volunteer because new york didn't raise its first black troops until september 64. . the mess, the burned and the sacking, all of that stuff was turned into rivers and thrown out. it's amazing that this draft will survived. and then the buildings might have been torn down, structures took their place, we want to really look deeper into the human toll of this disturbance. this disturbing violence in memory. the second object of the evening really does speak to this, in a really poignant and emotional to and tragic way. we see our second object. >> it is a rear book, and give us some background for this, please, harold. >> and this is an emotional story. to be sure. this bible is an original bible that was used at the so-called colored orphan asylum. an institution for african american orphans that was founded about ten years before the draft rant and it was considered a model for the care of children. it had playrooms, it had an area, it had gardens, it had sleeping quarters with very big windows to provide ventilation. it had g

and then "the new yorker" was bought by the new house family which owned conde naste. for several years, they allowed it to operate as a separate entity then gradually, they started folding it into the rest of the magazine company to save money on you know, back office stuff and accounting and the other stuff. then it moved into the headquarters of conde nast and became not quite just another magazine. >> i've been to the offices that are down in the replacement of the world trade center. >> yeah, the world trade center where they've now been for a few year, yeah. >> one of the things i love d about ballpark was the research you did into the earliest ballparks and how emphatic you are that it's an urban game. not a game played in iowa corn fields. >> despite field of dreams, which is everybody's favorite tear jerker, but it's not an accurate statement of what baseball has been about. >> i'm an urban mid westerner, so i'm fine with that. the beginnings of it, maybe even specifically a new york game. you talk about this that according to some historians, they were nearly

. >> what was it like working at the new yorker, for instance? >> that was the second chapter of my career. i started at the new york times and then went to the new yorker. >> we could talk about either one, what is the difference between working at the times and working at the new yorker? >> to great institutions. the difference is, the new york times is like a huge university. it does everything and has amazing people and a huge range. but not everybody is necessarily -- >> there is some stone or's. >> exactly. it's sort of a mixed bag. everybody is at a certain level obviously but not necessarily the most amazing. the new yorker was like a small liberal arts college where everybody was as good as the best people in the big university. that's how it sort of fell to me when it went from one to the other. i had a great time there. >> were you in the office in the old new yorker building before they moved over there? >> i moved there in the late nineties when they were so on 43rd street. the second old building they moved from there. >> you could t

lot of african americans did sign up voluntarily though to. >> absolutely though african american new yorkers had to find other places to volunteer because again, new york's didn't raise its first black troops until september 1864. still >> the mess of these riots the all this stuff was turned into the raw rivers, thrown out. it's really amazing that this draft still route survive. some of the buildings my mentor, down the structures took place. what to really look or once we look into the deeper toll of the human suffering of this disturbance, the worst urban violence in memory. the second object of the evening really does speak to this in a very poignant and emotional and tragic way. can we see our second object? it is a rare book. give us some background of this please harold? >> this is an emotional story to be sure. this bible is an original bible that was used at the so-called colored orphan asylum. i'm institution for african american or friends i was a founded about ten years before the draft riots. it was considered a model for the care of children. and at play rooms, and had an area

new yorkers contributed to that fight as did irish american brigades. the irish american troops fought at gettysburg, so, you know, we don't want to tarnish an entire group here. the courage was manifest across all ethnic minds. >> absolutely. >> how did the mayor and governor of the state respond then and does that shed any light on how they should respond now? >> well, the mayor was attacked pretty early. mayor updike. governor tilden was a democrat. and he was opposed to the draft and had spoken out pretty viciously. it's political. he can say what he wants, obviously, but during the outbreak of the riots, he, to his credit, an act of bravery, he came into the middle of one of the demonstrations and tried to quell the riot. but did it with an unfortunate parlation that came back to haunt him. he started by saying my friends and after that, all of the republican press around the country branded him as an appeaser, as a rioter. my friend's phrase followed him all the way to his presidential candidacy 13 years later when he won the popular vote, but was

can you -- can you tell us what your message is for new yorkers, given this low rate of positivity buthe fact that things are opening up in new york. you have bowling alleys, museums, schools september 10th are going to reopen. how do we not revert back? >> i mean, the thing is what we did as new yorkers, we came together to fight this pandemic. and in various ways, for one, we were on the strictest lockdown in the entire nation for approximately i believe 15 weeks. many people complied with wearing masks, practicing physical distancing. i know that we were social distancing, but we were practicing physical distancing and people took care of one another. people were kind to each other. people were very patient with us as far as health care workers. and the resilience that we have as new yorkers was one of the keys that we had to in order for us to survive this pandemic. even though we're still in a pandemic, but we were able to flatten the curve and so i'm very proud of us as new yorkers as well as other cities in the northeast that had worked together tremendously and if it wasn't for

we should return to the discussion of attacks on wealthy new yorkers. >> they don't like each other.blasio coming out swinging in response to governor cuomo begging rich new yorkers to return to the big apple. jillian: carley shimkus with reaction to the empire state inviting. >> bill diblasio says the governor was wrong to ask wealthy new yorkers to return to the big apple. also threatening to raise taxes on rich people with the federal government fails to provide assistance. that is attacks hike the governor is fighting failure would only drive more new yorkers out of the city. all of this leading to social media selloff, laura says wealthy families are leaving, working families are struggling and you, diblasio, too busy painting and repainting the streets. shiva problem? others say these two literally remind me of a bad saturday night live skit. the power struggle between them seems to have been exacerbated by this pandemic. >> the ones who are up in the balcony. unbelievable. bret 5 likely upsetting woke culture. >> bread 5 said it was an honor to play golf with donald trump. he

. >> carpenter was a new yorker from upstate new york. he had a gallery in new york city and he decided he wanted to paint the first reading of the emancipation proclamation before the cabinet. he got letters of introduction and went to the white house. it was pretty open season. lincoln liked him and let him work there for six months. but while he was there, he made sketches of the family and he commissioned the famous photograph of lincoln and tad looking at this photograph we. no one ever corrected that impression that it looks like a bible. in 1865, lincoln of course dies. carpenter is still working on his emancipation engraving. the painting is done. he is pretty well-known so he goes to a new york engraver, j c derby, and he works with another publisher i to do a lincoln family. carpenters price is five and dollars, which is pretty good.

whitney: what was that like working at the new yorker? paul: that was the second chapter of my career. i started at the new york times. whitney: we can talk about either one. what is the difference between working at the times and the new yorker? paul: two great institutions. the difference -- the new york times is like a huge university. it does everything and has amazing people and a huge range, but not everybody is necessarily -- whitney: there are some stoners. paul: right. exactly. it is sort of a mixed bag. everyone is at a certain level but not necessarily the most amazing. the new yorker was like a small liberal arts college where everybody was as good as the best people in the big university. that is how it felt for me when i went from one to the other. i had a great time there. whitney: did you have an office in the old building? paul: i moved over in the late 1990's when they were on 43rd street. i was in the second old building. they had moved the murals. whitney: maybe you can tell everyone about that. paul: a cartoonist famou

as lenny many new yorkers say the combinations of an violent looting means that they and the dollars could be leaving the city for good. plus breaking tonight former vice president biden trying to clean up his latest comments on african-americans. once again backing walking backwards has him in hot water with some black leaders. his attempt at clarification is parking criticism barking criticism from the right and th left as we all await his now vice presidential pick. amid accusations he's former progressive than he claims to be . former presidential candidate tim stier is here to way impaired welcome to fox news @ night. breaking news coming in on the phase four stimulus talks tonight. we have all of the latest. >> good evening to you, shannon impaired a few hours away from the july unemployment numbers which will tell us a lot about who is getting rehired from the coronavirus layoffs.

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mcenany: what this white house is focused on is ensuring what jeffrey cuban has said over at the new yorker, new york's primary vote count chaos signals trouble for november. as he noted, you want to talk about the president, jeffrey cuban himself, democrats control the state government of new york. they are responsible for creating the fiasco unfolding now. that is certain to get worse in november. states need to get their acts together. when it comes to elections. as we see in new york where we're five weeks out from that election, and in fact we still don't know the outcome of a congressional race. that's not what we want to see. reporter: you asked why i was asking about the president. i'm asking about the president pause you work for the president. reporter: since the president's eeting this morning with the national association of organizations, in 2008 to 2012 they supported joe biden. now they're endorsing president trump. so what changed? ms. mcenany: it's clearly a change in the democrat party. when you look at the polling on the funding -- defunding the police, abc news poll, 64%

sure that they don't keep feeding their habit the rise in crime and homelessness has gotten many new yorkers fearing this could be a return to the old new york of the seventy's and eighty's many wealthy folks are packing up and leaving governor andrew cuomo is urging them to change their minds begging wealthy folks to stay even offering to cook the dinner you gotta come back when you come back we'll go to dinner and buy a drink. come over i'll cook but despite his plea to get minutes new york city is getting the last say we're trying to get them to come back. cold we're going to control we're going to make progress helping the homeless we're going to clean up the graffiti we're going to fix across these problems of rising crime homelessness and violence on the streets of new york are something that most average new yorkers can't afford to just pack up and run away from it governor andrew cuomo is given attention to these problems that affect lower income new yorkers then perhaps the same problems that are now driving the wealthy folks away wouldn't have risen so dramatically up and artsy new

sure that they don't keep feeding their habit the rise in crime and homelessness has gotten many new yorkers fearing this could be a return to the old new york of the seventy's and eighty's many wealthy folks are packing up and leaving governor andrew cuomo is urging them to change their minds begging wealthy folks to stay even offering to cook the dinner you gotta come back when you come back we'll go to dinner buy a drink. come over i'll cook but despite his pleading the admits new york city is getting the last say we're trying to get them to come back. cold with zone to control we're going to make progress helping the homeless we're going to clean up the graffiti we're going to fix these problems of rising crime homelessness and violence on the streets of new york are something that most average new yorkers can't afford to just pack up and run away from it governor andrew cuomo is given attention to these problems that affect lower income new yorkers then perhaps these same problems that are now driving the wealthy folks away wouldn't have risen so dramatically cable up and artsy new york

make sure that they don't keep feeding the abbot the rise in crime and homelessness has got many new yorkers fearing this could be a return to the old new york of the seventy's and eighty's many wealthy folks are packing up and leaving governor andrew cuomo is urging them to change their minds begging wealthy folks to stay even offering to cook the dinner you gotta come back when you come back we'll go to dinner buy a drink. come over i'll cook but despite his pleading good minutes new york city is getting the last say we're trying to get them to come back. cold we're going to control we're going to make progress helping the homeless we're going to clean up the graffiti we're going to fix these problems of rising crime homelessness and violence on the streets of new york are something that most average new yorkers can't afford to just pack up and run away from it governor andrew cuomo would give an attention to these problems that affect lower income new yorkers then perhaps these same problems that are now driving the wealthy folks away wouldn't have risen so dramatically up and artsy new y

make sure that they don't keep feeding the abbot the rise in crime and homelessness has got many new yorkers fearing this could be a return to the old new york of the seventy's and eighty's many wealthy folks are packing up and leaving governor andrew cuomo is urging them to change their minds begging wealthy folks to stay even offering to cook the dinner you gotta come back when you come back we'll go to dinner buy a drink. come over i'll cook but despite his pleading he admits new york city is getting the last say we're trying to get them to come back. kobe don't get control we're going to make progress helping the homeless we're going to clean up the graffiti we're going to fix these problems of rising crime homelessness and violence on the streets of new york are something that most average new yorkers can't afford to just pack up and run away from governor andrew cuomo had given attention to these problems that affect lower income new yorkers then perhaps the same problems that are now driving the wealthy folks away wouldn't have risen so dramatically up and artsy new york. thanks for c

can't come if you are a new yorker or from any r. any of those northeastern states.hese months later and now the virus is raging in the south, in the southwest, and, guess what? the new york governor says we don't want our people to go through holy hell again with the virus. >> pete: he doesn't have streets of reckless wanton violence where businesses are being smashed. looked at the misplaced priorities of de blasio. >> this is such a farce. >> pete: in the street. >> juan: and desantis can control beaches? this is such a farce. no one says new york streets are all filled with anarchy and chaos. this is specific about moments and as lawrence can tell you of homicides, climbing number of homicides in poor neighborhoods the church campaign wants to put this out as fear mongering. >> lawrence: to correct that emily. not just crime is up. also reports that people are actually shooting up drugs in the city now. can you go to times square and see caps everywhere in the city. many people are starting -- based on my reporting, they say it's starting to look like the 1980s.

rick leventhal taking a look for us at that tonight. >> full disclosure i am one of the longtime new yorkers who left the city this year and i'm far from alone leading the governor to plead with city's top earners to come back and prop up manhattan at sailing finances, new york city is a different place and the pandemic struck. many stores, bars and restaurants remain shuttered, crime has spiked, shootings up 201% over last year and robberies in some neighborhoods up almost 300%. there is a rise in homeless and panhandlers and trash is piling up with cuts to essential services. a big chunk of the city's most well-off escaped to second homes in the hamptons or beyond and some may never return because of the high tax burden and deteriorating conditions prompting the governor to say this. >> you know what else they are thinking, i stay there because they don't pay the new york city search. >> bill diblasio given the wealthiest city residents another reason to permanently change their address, he wants to raise taxes for the top one% criticizing the rich for getting richer calling those who left

working at that like the new yorker? >> that was the second chapter of my career. i started at the new york times. >> we can talk about either one. what is the difference between working at the times and the new yorker? two great institutions. -- the newerence york times is like a huge university. it does everything and has range, people and a huge but not everybody is necessarily -- >> there are some stoners. >> right. it is a mixed bag. everyone is at a certain level but not necessarily the most amazing. the new yorker was like a small liberal arts college where everybody was as good as the best people in the big university. that is how it went -- how i'd felt to me when i went from one to the other. had a great time there. you have an office in the old building? >> i moved over in the late 1990's when they were on 43rd street. i was in the second old building. they had moved the murals. >> maybe you can tell everyone about that. paul: a cartoonist famously started drawing on the walls. they were kept as the sacred object. when the new yorker emerged managedhe str

he was a useful, well connected new yorker. tell us about him and this particular episode of war. >> he was a 23 year old. a young man. when he joined company h. at the first new york capillary. hence the word cavalry units from new york. he was a brave young guy and i should say his family were very wealthy. he was new york mercantile role to be sure. he let its men into virginia. one day in a place called sank stir station. he saw an unguarded exposed flag of general jill johnston's confederate army. he led his cavalry and broke through and created havoc. really pushed them back. unfortunately, in the midst of the charge, and that is what this painting is supposed to represent. his head is not held upright because he's just been shot through the neck. he died. >> it is kind of remarkable. it was relatively obscure even in its own time. why was it obscure? >> this little skirmish was not a major battle. second of all, there were two major events going on on the same day. the battle of key ridge in the west as well, which was mu

a contributor to the new yorker and attend previous books, has won more awards than i can list for journals including the national book award and continues to be an extraordinarily important voice explaining how it takes root, but it looks like and how to both prepare for it and prevent it. we are also fortunate to have only a a senior editor at slate where she writes two columns. one is the supreme court's guidance. she also has a podcast that's bye week biweekly. she has one comes with award and i hope you've read her column a few days ago that was a wonderful examination one of the quickest so different than those of the past few years. we are happy to have these incredible monuments. [applause] >> thank you so much. this is a treat. even before we met in person i felt like i could hear you right in my earbuds all the time. i felt like your voice was the voice in my head and then yes, everything you said. you've been in my head int and e book is fantastic. congratulations. >> guest: you are in my head every to be. it's the most illuminating thing there is. >> host: thank you. i want to s

. >> so, carpenter was a new yorker from upstate new york. homer, new york, near syracuse, but he had a gallery in new york city. and he decided he wanted to paint the first reading of the emancipation proclamation before the cabinet and got letters of introduction and went to the white house. pretty open season. lincoln liked him. he let him work there for six months, but while he was there, he made sketches of the family and he commissioned the famous photograph of lincoln and tad looking at this photograph album that looked very much like a bible, and no one ever, ever corrected that impression because it was, in 1865, lincoln of course dies. he's still working on his emancipation engraving. the painting is done and he's pretty well-known, so he goes to a new york engraver. jc derby. and hi woe works with another publisher to do a lincoln family. and carpenter's price was $500, which was a pretty good fee, but he decides to write to mary lincoln, who's his buddy at this point, and she suggests all of the other models, this handsome picture

. >>> prominent new yorker jerry seinfeld is criticizing those for saying new york city is dead. through even the best fiberoptic lines. that's the whole mean many of us moved to new york in the first place feeling sorry for yourself because you can't go to the theater is not the essential element of character that made new york the brilliant diamond of activity it will one day be again. but despite a new record low covid rate, the city has a long way to go still as cnn's jason carroll now reports. >> we new yorkers take on challenging overtime and we overcome them. >> reporter: but there are signs of challenges, more than 5,000 businesses closed since march. the number of people shot up by a staggering 84% compared to last year. and real estate sales stalled. the number of homes on the market, up 87% in manhattan. headlines declaring new york city dead forever. >> new york will come back on some level, but it's not going to have that magic that i wanted to pay so much money to live there for. >> reporter: after 25 years in this city, this 47-year-old dating app creator packed up

i'm a new yorker born and bred in new york. >> i was born in the lower east side, interestingly enough that's where i am right now. i've come back. i was born basically in the lower east side from immigrant parents. first generation american. my parents come from russia, they came in 1913 just before world war i. they met on the lower east side and we lived there for a while. i lived there until i was probably five or six years old. then we gradually worked our way out of the lower east side. we move north to the bronx, where i grew up mostly. for a while we lived in a community called brighten beach in brooklyn which is a beautiful place right on the beach and long island. many poor russians look there in those days. i had i would say a very poor. my father worked as a restaurant worker all his life. >> what is your moment? >> my mother worked in the garment industry, so she will take the subway downtown from the bronx every morning to work. my father worked in a cafeterias. my sister and i roslyn i were left more or less alone most of our lives. i was pretty much left alone most of t

that's a fellow new yorker and i agree with him. >> what happened between the attendant and a prominental leader has now led to the resignation of jerry falwell jr., big backer of the president. we'll bring you all the latest. >>> german chancellor angela merkel is now demanding aful and transparent investigation after a german hospital confirms that the russian opposition leader alexei navalny was poisoned last week. merkel's comments remain in stark contrast to president trump who has yet to make any substantial statement himself regarding the poisoning of a high-profile putin critic. russia has a history of poisoning opposition leaders. p the spokesperson for the ambassador of russia has tweeted similar sentiments to merkel awaiting the president's comments himself. so far he has just said they are looking into it. navalny remains in a medically induced coma. >>> another story we're following, is "the wall street journal" is now reporting that the president of liberty university jerry falwell jr. has officially resigned. during a phone call late last night after, well, a strange back

so yeah, new york city is dealing with some tough times and a former new yorker helped bring it to usy failing to address the crisis staring us in the face. >> tucker: de blasio isn't even trying to tell compelling lies anymore. we don't need to single him out, suddenly there are little bill de blasio's across the country. lori lightfoot got out letter from a property management company that represents more than 22,000 homeowners and 38,000 residents in her city. the letter informed her of what you already knew, people don't feel safe in chicago anymore. there's too much looting, too much violence. residents across the city are adjusting their daily routines out of fear that the president of that company, "are a avoiding neighborhood walks after 6:00 p.m. at night, they don't stand too close to their windows or dare to enjoy their outdoor balconies or terraces. i can't fault homeowners when they are considering leaving chicago." but none of those observations are political. you have no idea who they voted for my hearing them. they are obvious, it's called observed legality, it's true.

would get firsthand accounts from peopleh who lived thro, thanks to trailblazing reporting by "new yorkerrsey. author lesley blume has a new book about hersey and how hi reporting exposed the bomb's lasting damage, which the u.s. tgovernment tried initial downplay. and she spoke with jeffrey brown as part of our continuing coverage of this sol anniversary. this is also part of our arts and culture series, canvas. jeffrey brown:ugust 6, 1945, the future of warfare and humanity itself would change, when the u.s. detonated single atomic bomb over hiroshima, japan. but while everyone saw the mushroom cloud, it w bld be a yearore the world fully understood what had happened on the ground that day, a story told in the pages of "the new b yorker" magazijournalist john hersey. lesley m.m. blume: we know what the aftermh of nuclear warfare looks like because john hersey showed us. jeffrey:n her new book, "fallout," author sley blume explores how hersey came to write a profoundly influential work. she calls it one of the most important works of journalism ever created that has siaped neratione. les

governor cuomo in new york begging rich new yorkers, please, move back. cook and buy you drinks. if you move back, it's going to cost you tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars. take a look. >> i literally talk to people all day long who are now in their hampton's house, who also lived here, or in their hudson valley house, or in their connecticut weekend house, and i say, you got to come back. when you coming back? we'll go to dinner, i'll buy you a drink, come over, i'll cook. they are not coming back right now. >> sean: meanwhile, in los angeles, the mayor there authorized city utility officials to shut off water and power to any home caught hosting a large house party. okay. here with reaction, civil righth attorney leo terrell, he has a new documentary out. larry elder. you guys can go anywhere. tonight we start with you. >> memo to governor cuomo, rich people didn't get rich because they are stupid. odds are they didn't inherit it, they didn't marry it, they didn't steal it, they didn't win it in the lottery. they busted thei

are you telling me that "the new yorker's" audience is not trump's audience?laughter] lisa: yes, that's what i am saying. but how is the rnc being received by people it is geared toward? jeanne: i love the fact that you raised that because we get so much in a bubble, we forget, and you are absolutely right. mike pence has long been president trump's conduit to the white even tellico voters, and he -- white if angelical voters -- white evangelical voters, and he remains that. all of the chatter that he might get amped off the ticket, president trump cannot afford to do that because he needs those white evangelicals. he needs an interpreter like mike pence to go out there and make the case, and mike pence does do that. whether you did the not -- did enough to overcome the deficits the president is facing, we don't know that yet, but he is an important conduit, and last night, he made the case the president wants to make. the socialism theme, the law & order theme. he has been hitting on those hard, and he has been trying to make the presidency much more empathet

>>host: according to the new yorker profile 50 jokes that last 20 minutes. >> yes. >>host: cleveland you are back on the air. >>caller: so you are history of god you are familiar with? what i appreciate with his at armstrong's book is so completely objective. i don't think god is the proble problem. i think man is the problem what is so interesting when you read her books with early religions that combine the two and all the mistakes and tragedies that come about and with other interpretations basically the golden rule. when you take that attitude which is so negative it keeps encouraging us against them. god is good. >> i disagree about ms. armstrong's objectivity. i thank you are mistaken. i have read things by her as things have actually occurred. then you improve the argument that it is not bad in itself but what i am arguing is be are better off that they have divine function to do so with the superstation and indoctrination and that is nonexistent. >>host: june of this year in the new statesman the review of god is not great his assault on what he defines as t

so far no, new yorkers are not around. no tourist business is terrible.. ashley: ouch. well you know, as i just mentioned there in your introduction, mayor de blasio essentially, kind of, you know, vaguely saying that, you know, dining inside may not begin until sometime next year. have you had an opportunity to speak to the mayor right now, what would you say to him? >> outdoor dining is not the cure-all for restaurants, even in nice weather. come november, there is no heaters that will let us stay afloat. so we need to reopen. we need to have a clear path to reopening. we need to budget our very limited resources and we need to reopen. we have been very compliant. new york restaurants have been incredibly compliant with serving alcohol and social distancing. we care about our staff. we care about our customers. we want to reopen. we want to reopen in safety. but we need a clear path. and if we do not reopen by the beginning of november indoors, i cannot imagine how many restaurants will go out of business. ashley: well, i would imagine you yourself, thi

if all the companies say oh, you can go remote so we can have less office space, one in four new yorkerseviction right now because they haven't paid rent since march. it's -- if this is a very difficult problem to solve. so a lot of articles have come back and said, new york's got grit, we'll survive this. tell that to these 22,000 employees. tell that to the hundreds of thousands of employees of the restaurants that could close. grit doesn't plug that problem. >> you, as i understand, have -- you are in miami or you have evacuated new york to nominee, right? >> just for a couple of weeks. i was there march, prim, may, june, and i left my -- with my family after the school year. now school's starting -- >> the reason i ask is because -- the reason i ask is because miami is now in hurricane season. we know that this city is going to fall victim to climate change some day. so if you thought miami was a good place to go with new york in trouble, why does your argument about new york make sense? we know miami's future is bleak. we don't know that those same factors will save new york. miami'

malcolm gladwell has been a staff writer for the new yorker magazine since 1996, before that he was a new york bureau chief for the washington post. at the new yorker he very quickly made his mark establishing a new genre of story, the malcolm gladwell story. there's very few people like that in the 80 years of this magazine stop editorial meetings the subject's Ãbcome up and say that's been done to that. someone else will say, yes but if we have a malcolm gladwell take on it. it's a great conversational trump card. malcolm has really a peculiar genius for exploration. sometimes very peculiar. it's tempting to try to explain what makes him such an important writer. i think a lot of it has to do with certain originality of mind a certain distinctiveness of voice and both of those qualities were on display in his best-selling book "the tipping point" which is a book that's been quoted by at least one u.s. president, by joint chief of staff, by ceos, philanthropists, also the title of new album by the hip-hop band "the roots" which is an homage to the intellectual hero. [laughter] his ne

thanks to new yorker writer joh heresy. author lesley blume has a new book about hersey and how hispo reporting d the bomb's lasting damage, which the u.s. government tried to downplay. and she spoke with jeffrey brown as part of our continuing coverage of this solemn anniversary. this is also parof "canvas" >> brown: august 6, 1945: the future of warfare and humanity itself would change-- when the u.s. detonated a single atomic bomb over hiroshima, japan. but while everyone saw the mushroom cloud, it would be a year before e world fully understood what had happened on the ground that day, a story told in the pages of "the new yorker" magazine by journalist john hersey. >> we know what the aftermath of nuclear warfare looks like because john hersey showed us. >> brown: in her new book," fallout", author leslie blume explores how hersey came to e a profoundly influenti work-- she calls it "one of the most important works of journalism ever created"-- that >> even if people,ventualnce. readers, could not understand the physics

he explained what the iconic museum's reopening means to new yorkers. , and it is a strong signalfor for visitors, and it is a strong signal for new york and new yorkers. so a big step back to normalcy here in the city. how are you able to do it? how are you keeping people socially distanced and things like that? we have taken a lot of precautions and we have worked on this for several months. so if you come to the museum you would have to first reserve your place on a time ticketing basis. we also have a bike release service, so if you don't want to come by the subway, you can come by bike. we will take your temperature was not you have to wear a mask in the museum. not during the interview. but then we have physical distancing within the institution. we also only allow a maximum of 25% of our total occupancy at any one time. so currently we have about space as we lead in about 1000 visitors an hour. and will probably have about 7000 visitors today. i see. so a lot less tha n visitors today. i see. so a lot less than normal, but if you step on the right

what they are doing is this new pledge to hire 100,000 new yorkers who are traditionally underserved in the next 10 years. thiscounsel, they say plan, they want to work with schools and nonprofits. this comes at a desperate time for new york. new york was ravaged by the pandemic. new york city unemployment is just over 20%. say -- this likely is high time for something like this to happen. between ceos and their typical workers, the average ratio is 200 to one. manus: this is not the first time we have seen ceos speaking out about inequality. what makes you believe that the statements have more authority for implementation? annmarie: it definitely not the first time we have heard more and more of it because the heardic -- in april, we jamie dimon talking about it. he was urging other ceos to take on this pledge. we heard larry fink talk about it. shareholdersalso who are pushing this action. a course, it is coming at high time. it is a starting point. the proof is going to be in the pudding. manus: there you go. you have to jump off somewhere. annmarie hordern tracking the story in th