like mcveigh, nichols is known to harbor anti-government views. >> terry nichols, just four days beforeok out a new insurance policy on his pickup truck. >> an arrest warrant is quickly issued, and later that same day nichols turns himself in. by now, the rescue operation at the murrah building has become a recovery effort. >> authorities in this building behind me are coming across more bodies. >> the search for bodies will last for two full weeks. >> most of the survivors wanted to go to most of the funerals, and that's tough going to 16 funerals, let me tell you. that was really hard, but we needed to do it. >> two women are believed to be still in the building with an elderly man. >> finally, on may 5th, 1995, with three victims still buried in the rubble, the search came to an end. >> this was not two or three people from this city or two or three people from that city. this was oklahoma city. the terrorism was directed at the city. the terrorism was directed at its people. it was a sword at the heart of oklahoma city. that's some great paint. ♪ that's some great paint. behr, ranke

nichol. the chair now recognizes professor peter a walker, professor of geography at university of oregon. you have five minutes. my name is peter walker. i'm a professor of geography and universal study at the university of oregon. i personally saw the wildlife refuge in hardy county. i had 100 indepth interviews and my observations are printed in my book, how they took over the national wildlife refuge. a lot can be learned from the refuge occupation for safeguarding employees and enabling them to construct in rural communities. the great majority of hardy county rejected and planned to launch an anti-government resolution. >> i use the word militant because they used armed force to achieve a radical political goal. the situation was explosive. almost certainly if the community called for militants, lives would have been lost. hardy county rejected the militants's call because the community invested for decades in building collaborative approaches vowing to isolate the resource issue that t

nichols. the chair now recognizes professor peter a. walk e professor of geography at university of oregon. you have five minute, sir. >> my name is peter walker. i'm a professor of geography and environmental studies at the university of oregon. i personally observed the 2016 armed occupation of the wild life refuge in harney county, oregon. after the occupation, i conducted research in harney county for more than two years including the in-depth interviews with individuals representing all parts of the community. my observations are recorded in my book sagebrush collaboration, how harney county defeated the takeover of the wild life refuge. a lot can be learned from the refuge occupation for preventing such incidents and for safeguarding federal employees and enabling them to work constructively in rural communities. the great majority in harney county opposed the occupation and rejected the militants' plan to launch an antifederal government revolution from ha n harney county. i use the word militants because they used armed force an

nichols. the chair now recognizes professor peter a walker, professor of geography at the university of oregon. you have five minutes. >> my name is peter walker. i'm a professor of geography and environmental studies at the university of oregon. i personally observed the 2016 armed occupation of the national wildlife refuge in heinie, county oregon. after the occupation, i conducted research there for more than two, years including over 100 in-depth interviews with individuals representing all parts of the community. my observations recorded in my book, how carney county defeated takeover of the national wildlife refuge. a lot can be hearn -- learned, from the occupation about preventing such injuries and for safeguarding our employees and enabling them to work constructively integral communities. a great majority in harney county oppose the occupation and rejected the militants plan to launch an anti government federal evolution from harney county. i use the word militants because they used

mary nichols, let's begin with you. what exactly is the trump administration trying to do?y: well, they announced almost two years ago their goal which is to eradicate the standards that had been voluntarily agreed to by the state, the federal government, and the auto industry under president obama. so this is part of the broader campaign to erase from the books every accomplishment really of the obama administration but in this case , the argument was that they needed to give relief to the auto industry by eliminating the standards which required the industry to produce slightly more efficient, cleaner cars every year going back to 2012 and out to 2025. so what they're doing is they're just stopping the program where it is instead of moviving ahead. amy: so what is the response of these auto companies? usually you're on the other side of these companies, demanding that they be regulated but it seems now you're coming together on the same side that the trump administration has united you. mary: well, the industry having agreed to these standards in the first place did ask f

congress andre carson, nichols christophe, matt miller, thank you for starting us off tonight. >>> when we come back, what is mitch mcconnell up to? first he agrees last week with chuck schumer's unanimous consent request to release the whistle-blower's complaint. now he decides today is a good day to promise the country an impeachment trial in the senate if donald trump is impeached just as impeachment is looking ever more likely. he didn't have to say that today. he could have been evasive. does he think maybe he's going to immediate a different nominee for president next year? performance comes in lots of flavors. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. that's the kind lincoln's about.

congress andre carson, nichols christophe, matt miller, thank you for starting us off tonight. >>> when we come back, what is mitch mcconnell up to? first he agrees last week with chuck schumer's unanimous consent request to release the whistle-blower's complaint. now he decides today is a good day to promise the country an impeachment trial in the senate if donald trump is impeached just as impeachment is looking ever more likely. he didn't have to say that today. he could have been invasieinvas. does he think maybe he's going to immediate a different nominee for president next year? ♪ ♪ this simple banana peel represents a bold idea: a way to create energy from household trash. it not only saves about 80% in carbon emissions... it helps reduce landfill waste. that's why bp is partnering with a california company: fulcrum bioenergy. to turn garbage into jet fuel. because we can't let any good ideas go to waste.

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let's go to nbc news white house correspondent hans nichols. hans, the president today cast a wide net on twitter. he attacked several of his favorite targets, including mitt romney because he was a republican who was coming out against the president. and then, again, there are all the reports that have come out, the cia, lead counsel as you were telling us earlier today with that criminal referral. where do we start? >> richard, think of the president's tweets as rifle shots. they have a broader implication. they are a warning to other senators not to incur his twitter wrath. that's clearly the policy here, that's clearly the strategy. you've seen it in the past with the president. he attacks republicans that dare to challenge him. it's one way that he enforces unity within the party. on friday he said he thinks he's going to be impeached. he thinks democrats a have the votes. at the same time he's counting on the senate not to convict him. and he thinks he has mitch mcconnell on his side and he thinks he has about 95% of republicans. so that

hans nichols is with us. before we get to you, i want to explain to folks what this letter is. it is just in. the secretary of state, we saw him at the top of the show yaefr assess, tweeting this. and this is specifically addressed to the committee on foreign affairs. remember that tomorrow and thursday are the first of five depositions that have been scheduled with either current or former state department officials who may be able to provide congress with more information about what was in the whistle-blower complaint. listen to this. here's what the secretary of state says, that he is concerned with aspects of this request that can be understood, quote, only as an attempt to intimidate, bully and treat improperly the distinguished professionals of the department of state, alleging that the committee is now targeting those individuals. hans, this letter can only be read it seems to me one way, and that is that mike pompeo sure isn't happy with members of congress right now. >> he's strongly signaling that the state department will not cooperate with those congressional subpoe

let's bring in brad blakeman and jason nichols, democratic strategists to talk about this specificallyhment and how the debate began on impeachment. they talked about it for 18, 20 minutes but the question itself was whether impeachment is distracting the democrats. i want your responses. >> impeachment is the way we establish this man will not be permitted to break the law over and over. >> the house will find him guilty, worthy of impeachment. >> he will not cooperate in any way at all, they have no choice but to move. heather: all this at the same time nancy pelosi announced she is not going to officially move in that direction. >> inmates are running the asylum with the democrats, lost all hope of being a leader on this, all over the map. he has been conciliatory to adam schiff and others, 6 committees have jurisdiction, not one single committee breaking the rules of past impeachment process by making it up as they go along, crying about transparency and hiding witnesses and not releasing testimony, this isn't the way to proceed at the american people will see through this. heather

i don't know, tom nichols.or the core support of donald trump, for the people who have been with him from the beginning, there's almost nothing, it's the old shoot somebody on fifth avenue argument the president has made. there's almost nothing that will take them out of the bunker with him. >> yeah, i think there's two things that are interesting about these numbers from the poll this morning. one is that the president has managed to put himself in the same territory where nixon was right around the summer of 1974 when he was at the end of the watergate process. i mean, the president, i mean, the number for removing the president from office didn't start to clear 50% until late summer of '74 just before nixon resigned. so the president has, you know, he's overperforming here in terms of where the poll is. but the second issue, i think, is this may be where the polls stay now. because that 38%, as you say, willie, they're just not going to budge. it doesn't matter, the president literally is walking outside, i

this is james nichols, the brother of terry nichols.m high school the same year i did in the district next to mine. on this farm in decker, michigan, mcveigh and the nichols brothers made practice bombs before oklahoma city. terry and james were arrested in connection to the bombing. >> u.s. attorneys formally linked the nichols brothers with timothy mcveigh. officials charged james, at the tearing, and terry, who was not, for conspireing to make and possess small bombs. >> terry nichols was convicted and receive ad a life sentence. timothy mcveigh was executed. the feds didn't have the goods on james, so the charges were dropped. >> i'm glad to be free and get on with my life. >> did timothy mcveigh stay here? >> yes. longest period, three months or so. i don't know. he was a nice guy. >> decent guy? >> oh, yeah. >> they didn't find anything on this farm? >> as to what? bomb-making material? >> any explosives. >> yeah. i had blasting caps, dynamite fuse, black powder, you know, sure. diesel fuel, fertilizer. it is normal farm stuff. it

side of this. >>> hans nichols, thank you. garrett, really kwiekly here, timing, do we know how long this thing will go today, when we might hear something? >> it's scheduled to go as late as 6:00 this evening. most of these depositions have been all-day affairs, we think they got a later start this morning, but craig they could be locked up in the basement for hours. >> okay, garrett haake, we'll let you get back to it. thank you, thank you, hans. >>> i'll turn to chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official and kimberly atkins, washington news correspondent for wbur, both msnbc contributors. ms. atkins, what do democrats need to hear from fiona hill today to build their impeachment case? >> fiona hill is not a central part of this -- of this query. but she is somebody who can support some of the claims that democrats are making. essentially that donald trump and rudy giuliani were doing this operation and going around the officials within the white house and the state department to try to set up this

hans nichols. richard engel. it was 12:00 noon in iraq as well as in syria. >>> breaking news as well happening. along with what we're watching in syria. take a look at this. this is new footage of a scene surrounding a shooting at a homecoming party outside of greenville, texas for texas a&m university at commerce students. two people confirmed dead with 14 injuries. the condition of those injured is unknown at this time. police at texas a&m, at commerce have tweeted. they've clarified that there's no active shooter on their campus at this moment which is not far away. however, police at the school also say it is not clear whether any students were involved in this reported shooting. a statement reading our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, families and friends of those affected by this morning's shooting in greenville, texas. texas a&m university commerce leadership and the university's police department are working with the hunt county sheriff's office to determine if any of those shot or injured are

hans nichols there at the white house. please keep us posted. let me bring in felipe reines former deputy assistant secretary of state and former hillary clinton spokesman. kimberly atkins, washington news correspondent for wbr, also an msnbc contributor oop. kimberly, rudy giuliani, what are your sources telling you? is the white house in any universe want rudy giuliani to testify? >> no. it's for obvious reasons, we've seen him in his performances on television, and he raises a great deal of concern there, but the issue is, it's hard to see how he doesn't. as you've pointed out, the investigation has changed now where stonewalling and trying to put up various defenses of attorney-client privilege or executive privilege just for the sake of dragging this out will no longer work anymore. there will be a swift and very real consequence to that which will be an article of impeachment. so having him, rudy giuliani, who is at the center of this entire ukrainian question, it would be very difficult to see how he does not produce the documents so far

>> hans nichols, thanks very much, hans nichols at the white house. rudy giuliani is said to have gotten help to find information on joe biden and his son hunter. according to white house documents president trump urged ukrainian president zelensky to work with attorney general william barr. he had a chance to ask president zelensky face-to-face if he's ever had contact with rudy giuliani. >> were you ever approached by or meet with rudy giuliani? >> never. never had any phone calls with him. >> the news broke in this hour yesterday that house democrats have subpoenaed giuliani for documents and other information relating to his activities in ukraine. lawmakers have also asked for information on three of giuliani's ukrainian american associates. nbc's matt bradley joins us now from the ukrainian capital of kiev. good to see you. how are names that i mentioned, namgs that our viewers are not familiar with, what does congress hope to learn from them? >> reporter: these are three new names we're probably going to be hearing about for the next several wee

from the white house, hans nicho nichols. jeff, i think one of the most stunning things we learned in the last 24 hours came from fiona hill's testimony, that john bolton was so worried about a rogue effort being run by rudy giuliani and others that he told hill to notify the chief lawyer for the nsc. as nbc has reported this was seen as a clear counterintelligence risk. how does kent's testimony right now play into that bigger picture? >> reporter: i'll explain it this way, chris. fiona hill offered house investigators an inside view as to what was happening in the white house as rudy giuliani set about his rogue operation as it's described, his influence campaign to do president trump's bidding. george kent offers the same house investigators an inside view of what was happening at the state department around that same time. as you mentioned, george kent is the state department official who is responsible for ukraine and our reporting is that as far back as march he was raising concerns, sounding the alarm, not just about w

i want to go now to hans nichols at the white house. hans, in just about 25 minutes from now, we may hear from the president. he has been very defiant this morning, perhaps unsurprisingly, as the white house hits this deadline to maybe defy these house requests for documents. >> there are two things happening in the white house this morning, maybe a third when we hear from the president in a little bit. number one, is white house are all but daring congress to change this and make it a more formal impeachment inquiry. the white house's view is that that triggers a certain level of legality that requires more responses, but it also gives the white house access to what capitol hill has, to congressional documents. and then you have the president trotting out this new line on twitter and he appears to be making a distinction between investigating someone for what he says is alleged corrupt behavior and investigating a potential political opponent. i'm going to read you the tweet. as president i have an obligation to end corruption, even if

garrett hague on capitol hill, hans nichols at the white house. we'll continue with your help to decipher this, as garrett has wisely called it, the great letter writing campaign of 2019 where everybody is protesting to everybody else. joining me, prudence bushnell, former ambassador to kenya, guatemala, and former deputy assistant secretary of state for african affairs. thank you for being with us. maybe you can help understand the question i just asked hans nichols, that is there seems to be a whole hodge podge of people involved in this phone call between the president and the president of ukraine that seem to be offering, asking for assistance in exchange for congressionally approved funding, $391 million to ukraine. and it seems like there's a lot of trying to figure out how to explain why the united states decided to hold that money back, why the president decided to hold that money back. we know the president directed his acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, to obfuscate with congress about why that was done. now you have the state departm

barbara, and we will start with hans nichols. hans, we have a lot to cover here. let's get to first potentially this second whistle-blower. what do we know? >> we know, according to "the new york times," and they're citing people who have been briefed on it, that there is a second whistle-blower that is weighing, considering filing an official complaint. we know that this whistle-blower has also according to the "times" spoken to the inspector general of the intelligence committee, the ic ig, in that terminology. it is unclear if an actual second report, a filed report, is necessary, to trigger an investigation. because the ic ig, already has the information from this purported second whistle-blower. this all gets down to how broad the inquiry is going to be. and when you listen to house democrat, yes they're concerned about what happened on that phone call between president trump and president zelenski but also what happened afterwards. was this phone call treated in a special way. and in the words of nancy pelosi about, a week

hans nichols is awaiting the president in chicago. hans, let's start with you there in chicago. the president making some news before he took off to where you are saying he's going to release or he might release some of the footage of the raid of that capture. >> reporter: geoff, the president is clearly reveling in the details of the final moments of baghdadi. he sees a strategic value and symbolic value. we don't know to what extent the president was involved in the military planning, but he is intimately involved in the post operation media strategy and he's clearly leaning toward releasing the raw footage. >> the amazing display of intelligence and military gr. so that was a big it. the question was am i considering releasing video footage of the raid? and we may take certain parts of it and release it, yes. >> reporter: so guys, that is a strong indication the president of the united states wants that video footage out there. it's almost like he's pretending to be a junior public affairs officer at the pentagon. that's always the first question when there's any sort of mili

hans nichols joins us live from the white house this morning. garrett, i'll start with you. we showed the video of george kent. who is he and what can he tell investigators today that they haven't heard already? >> he's a high-level state department official whose expertise includes ukraine and corruption. you can say he was a whistle-blower before it was cool. kent was somebody who raised red flags about the treatment of yovanovitch, the ambassador who was pushed out of her job earlier this year and was someone very concerned, openly concerned with this shadow operation being run by rudy giuliani and his associates in ukraine. we do not know whether hill brought receipts, whether kent brought any kind of notes, text messages, emails, anything to back up his testimony. he's someone who democrats hope can fill in around the edges here, the testimony of yovanovitch, dr. hill, some of the other folks who set the context all leading up to that phone call that president trump had with the president of ukraine which is, of course, the singular event that got this impeachment inqui

vote this week on a resolution condemning the decision to hold the g7 at doral in miami nbc's tom nichols has more >> reporter: presintug i was dog very good for our country. we will begin the search for another site." at this year's g7 in the south of france, trump seemed to show off his resort in doral. >> we have magnificent buildings, we call them bungalows. they each hold from 50 to 70 very luxurious rooms. >> reporter: and dispatched acting chief of staff mick mulvaney to announce andef last >> president trump has made it clear he doesn't profit from being here. >> reporter: outcry from both sides of the aisle forcing a rare course correction from the oval office. >> he was honestly surprised at the level of pushback. at the end of the day, he still considers himself to be in the hospitality business. >> reporter: mulvaney also trying to clarify his thursday comments that the president tied military aid for ukraine ws n hunter. >> have i news for everybody get over it. there is going to be political influence in foreign policy. >> reporter: insisting the aid was only held up to forc

it's only a matter of time until the 2 of them clash as they have parted ways before rebecca nichols relish covering those elections for us from one of the areas thank you. now to some of the other stories making news around the world. argentina's navy you're in why has also been going to the polls early results suggest the leftist ruling coalitions presidential candidate daniel martin is ahead but well short of an outright majority he looks set for a runoff against the center right candidate newest like a a poll on november 24th. voters in colombia's capital bogota have elected a woman as mayor for the 1st time claudia lopez who is also openly gay won about 35 percent of the vote the position of bogota mayor is widely considered to be the 2nd most important political post after the presidency. aboriginal communities from the central australian desert region celebrated the official closure in a room as a tourist site on sunday visitors will no longer be able to climb onto the sacred rock after the national park board voted to abolish the practice on spiritual safety and environmental

hans nichols is at the white house with more. good morning. >> reporter: the president had lunch with rudy giuliani yesterday. before he called into fox and said a former mayor of new york who was still his counselor. it comes ahead a week when congress is expected to hear from state department officials and after a late night speech where the president calls democrats bad people for trying to impeach him. >> president trump bracing for a bruisingmpchment battle. >> i never thought i see or hear that word. to me, it is an ugly word. it means so much. it means horrible, horribl crimes and things i can't everyone believe even it. >> yes, he's a great gentleman and fantastic prosecutor. i know nothing about him being under investigation. i can't imagine it. >> reporter: the president's defense of rudy giuliani comes after "the new york times" reporter of federal investigation of the same office that rudy giuliani led in the 1980s, influence on the government. two officials told nbc news that rudy giuliani's conduct is under scrutiny

hans nichols tracking it down from the white house. the "times" reports this person is considering filing a whistleblower report. what more do we know? >> reporter: according to "times," two people briefed on the matter, this second potential whistleblower in the process of thinking about it. whether or not he'll come forward. now, we don't know if that person, that individual will come forward publicly. there's an indication in the article the potential whistleblower is weighing, testifying before the congress. unclear whether that's open or closed session. but this could potentially be more corroboration of what the first whistleblower actually revealed and we have some corroboration of that because we actually have the call log from the president where he's talking to the president of ukraine, that's president trump, ukrainian counterpart asking for an investigation both into what happened in 2016 but also into the biden's role and his son, hunter biden, in a general corruption inquiry. so this could potentially be explosive. we'll

tom nichols. start with new polls that show impeachment for president trump growing. 52% now approve of the impeachment inquiry into president trump when it comes to impeachment and removal from office, the poll found a 10% increase in support. just over the last week, now at 47%. the latest cnn poll found 47% of americans say they backed impeaching and removing trump. 45% said they did not. and the latest reuters poll, 45% said the president should be impeached. that's up eight points from just a week ago. meanwhile, two sources with direct knowledge of the situation told nbc news that president trump told allies days ago that he would start worrying about losing republican support if national polls went above 50% of americans supporting impeachment. >> and -- >> boy, joe, that's -- that's worrisome for the president. >> well, it is worrisome and also, as we've said before in the last hour, you look at what happened yesterday, it's not even the events that took place. it was the president's errat

hans nichols, the rest of the company wrote back today on kber effect phone calls. he seems to be plindside twhd one. it's almost as if he just learned this morning thaveveryt trump was up to. >> they either sign a letter saying donald trump should never be president. there are no implications that he ever expressed the ability publicly of the president. the president has been relatively quiet, right? if he has something to say, he generally makes the opportunity. that didn't happen today. by mid-morning and late afternoon, he hasn't said much on twitter. let me caveat that with saying i had to look at my phone for the last two minutes, and white house officials seem to be huddling trying to find out what their response would be to this revolution that is laying out the parameters for this next phase of impeachment. i suspect we'll hear from the president on that before we hear from somebody specific about what we learned from alexander vindman today. >> hans, i'm glad you brought up the impeachment resolution. it essentially gives the president president's, do they

. >> keith worked as a fireman, his dream job in the well-to-do enclave of nichols hills.ry hamilton served alongside keith, and if the firemen were like brothers the wives were like sisters, says terry's wife kim. >> with the fire department you became all families together. >> and keith had a good sense of humor. he was outgoing and he was really driven to succeed. >> and he did. promoted all the way to fire chief in 1991, but keith never lost his personal connection with the people he served. >> he was one of the first responders to the oklahoma city bombing. >> he was. >> that's when he worked on that lady that was trapped forever underneath the rubble, and keith wouldn't leave her. >> was he a hero in your eyes? >> oh, i think so. i was pretty proud of him as a friend for that. >> as for becky, she was a force in the community, too, working in real estate. her business often seemed more about the people than the money. >> becky had a very selfless side to her, too. there were people that i know of, that they were upside down. she even at times was known to take her ow

i do think the president is well on its way to be impeached. >> hans nichols and john harwood, eugene scott, thank you all. we got new details on rudy giuliani's dealings with ukraine. plus, why the department of justice is distancing itself from the president's personal lawyer. and in an nbc news exclusive, mark zuckerberg speaks out to lester holt. why he believes politicians should not be censored on facebook even if they are not telling the truth. you are watching "velshi & ruhle." lling the truth. you are watching "velshi & ruhle. ss. whether you're looking for a top-brand at a great price. ready to upgrade. moving in. moving on up. or making big moves. deliveries ship free and come with a 100-night free trial. no matter your budget. or your sleep style. we have quality options for everyone. so search and shop. save and snooze. and rest easy, knowing that we've got your back. literally. that's what you get, when you've got wayfair. so shop now. my moderate to severe i ulcerative colitis.ing but i realized something was missing... me. the thought of my symptoms returning was keepi

. >> for more on all of that, we want to go to hans nichols at the white house for us. >> good morning, peter. the president was raw and rivaled. he played to a fired-up and friendly crowd last night. it's all part of his counterimpeachment strategy, claiming the democrats are attempting a coup and their impeachment inquiry is illegitimate. at a late-night louisiana rally, president trump getting salty on the bayou. >> they're pursuing an illegal, invalid and unconstitutional [ bleep ] impeachment. >> reporter: the president resorting to profanity after his former ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, testified on capitol hill. claiming that president trump forced her out even though she had done nothing wrong. nbc's hallie jackson. >> did you pressure them? >> she was a wonderful woman. if you remember the phone call i had with the president, the new president, he didn't speak favorably. i don't know her. >> reporter: by testifying, the veteran diplomat risked her career in foreign service, where she focused on possible deals instead of disagreements, as she told me in ukraine las

i bring my friend hans nichols who you know as an expert on all things political and military, but he'sd financial guy. i pointed at the dow first. i wanted to show viewers, the market didn't shoot up on news, it went off and sold off a little, there are caveats to the deal. >> reporter: yes, there are. the president says it is a substantial phase one deal. the president still talking now, we'll hear from him in a little bit. they want to get news out before the market closed, but the bigger thing is what this isn't. this is an indication that the president is not going to increase tariffs, remember, $250 billion of goods. he threatened to take the tariff from 25% to 30%. that would have been tuesday, october 15th. we need to figure out here the overall thresholds and schedules for different tariffs because there can be promises, there can be sort of assurances given, but until we see the actual numbers, i'm not certain we declare this political victory for the president, even though as you hinted he is clearly indicating he is ready to make a deal and he is ready to take credit for it.

. >> nbc's hans nichols is at the white house with more this morning. hans, good morning. the president attempting to tamp down questions about giuliani's standing with him. >> we had this lunch yesterday afternoon at the president's golf club. then the president called in to judge carreno's show late last night. that's where you heard the quote that the judge is referencing that he doesn't know much about this investigation. he's standing by his guy. that follows a tweet on saturday morning where the said that rudy may be rough around the edges but he's a great guy. the president trying to signal that rudy is back in the president's graces. now, you also have the president out and about. not only did he start to talk about impeachment, potential stain on his presidency talking about how it's a horrible word. he went on the offense. listen to what he said about adam schiff. >> now it is the outrageous impeachment. look, impeachment, i never thought i'd see or hear that word with regard to me, impeachment. i said the other day, it's an ugly word. to me it's an ugly word. ve

we got hans nichols. why it would be any different to what garret suggested of all the other responses. >> nothing official from the white house yet. when you look at those late thursday and friday's subpoenas to get the vice president's record. these are subpoenas documents, they're asking for documents and not testimonies the white house says this is as waste of time. this is clear from the press secretary. there is no indication they think they have any legal obligation to turn over these documents. it may force this letter out that there is been a lot of talk about that we have not seen and that's a letter demanding house democrats formalized this impeachment process by having a full vote. after the entire house representative vote to go ahead with impeachment, that has a legal way. it will give the white house and their aide officials some legal rights as well. so far no response but i would not hold your breath. >> guys. >> what do we know of the whistleblower? and they're not filing a second compla

on this farm in michigan mcvay and the nichols made practice bombs. >> u.s.the nichols brother of michigan with timothy mcvay. >> terry was convicted and receive add life sentence. timothy mcvay was executed. but the feds didn't have the goods on james, so the charges were dropped. >> i'm just glad -- i'm just glad to be out and free so i can get on with my life. >> did timothy mcvay ever stay here? >> yes. yes. he stayed here several times. the longest period about three months or so. he was a nice guy. >> decent guy? >> oh, yeah. so they didn't find anything on this farm? >> as to what? bomb making? yeah. i had dynamite fuse, black powder, sure. diesel fuel, fertilizer, but that is normal farm stuff. that was no way connected in any way to the oklahoma city bombing or bomb making. them people, law enforcement, if you want to call them that, were here and they were shaking in their shoes. they were physically shaking, scared to death. >> of? >> because they thought this was going to be another waco, because certain people, namely my ex-wife and other people,

hans nichols, thank you so much from the white house. appreciate that. and president trump in the address discussing the dangers that the u.s. special forces had faced in the mission as they targeted the leader of isis. take a listen. >> we were flying over very, very dangerous territory. in fact, some of our leaders said it could be the most dangerous time flying in and out, and that is why last night we were so quiet about it. >> and nbc foreign chief correspondent richard engel joining us from syria, and once again on sunday, you are very familiar with the area there, and give me a sense of how dangerous this mission was. >> well, there's different parts to the mission. and so one is the arrival, right. so the president more or less said that the troops came from iraq. he kind of laid that out accidentally or not when he was describing how they were flying over the russian positions, and how long it took, and he said over an hour, and the only place they could have been coming from that they were briefly going into turkey, and the only place they coul

let's go straight to washington, d.c., nbc hons nichols is live at the white house and nbc's geoff bennett is live on capitol hill. hans, let me go straight to you first. a lot of people are trying to figure out what the heck is that all about? have we got any sense whatsoever as to why nick mulvaney took that position and how importantly how it went down with president trump? >> we never know precisely how it goes down with the president. he seems to be supporting his acting chief of staff when he was asked about it. the general view from the white house is this is all in the press' head. we're misinterpreting it and in the words of the press secretary, in a tizzy about this even though when you look at what the acting chief of staff said and you can compare it to the quid pro quo, it's clear what he was trying to say. it's also clear because then they put out the clarifying statement after the facts. it's also clear to the president's legal team, jay sekulow. he said the president's legal counsel was not involved in acting chief of staff nick mulvaney's press briefing. >> what are you le

nbc's hans nichols is at the white house for us. garrett, let me begin with you. within the last hour or so. we saw marie yoef vich arrive. putting the clamp down on everyone speaking on this inquiry. >> it was a suspenseful morning on capitol hill. nobody was sure that marie yovanovitch would show up. members were optimistic. they had not heard that she would cancel. but members and aides were looking at that white house letter from earlier in the week thinking this would preclude any cooperation from anyone in the administration. so just the vakt that yovanovitch is in the building now is a good sign. that being said, we don't know how forthcoming she'll be in her testimony. the main thing democrats and republicans want to hear from her is why she's now former ambassador yovanovitch. what led to her being benched, pushed aside. there's been a lot of reporting, her friends and allies telling reporters that she was pushed out essentially for not working with the shadow diplomacy of rudy giuliani and his cohorts in ukraine. we have not heard that from yovanovitch d

let's get to the center of the tension in washington with hans nichols and msnbc correspondent garrett haake who is on capitol hill for us. garrett, let me begin with you. it's been about 90 minutes or so. we heard from adam schiff, what is their next move now that they've been blocked from this testimony. >> reporter: this is testimony that had been sought voluntarily from sondland. that will almost certainly change to testimony he'll be subpoenaed to give. i'll expect we'll see in the not-to-distant future, file a subpoena for gordon sondland and documents in his possession. sondland had text messages on his personal device he had given to the state department but not to congress. those will be things that schiff and investigators from the democratic house want to get their hands on. this impeachment effort may continue even if they can't. you might see them lay out refusal to cooperate with the subpoena as another article of impeachment about obstruction. schiff talked a little bit about that with reporters a short time ago. take a listen. >> the failure to produce this witness. the

. >> to the white house and nbc's hans nichols. what is the mood there following the testimony? >> i expect tired because everyone got back late last night and the president using salty language down there on the bayou. before the president left yesterday though, he almost seemed to have kind words for the ambassador, that by her own account, in that opening statement that msnbc obtained, in her own account, she was dismissed at the behest of president trump because, and even though she was told she was doing nothing wrong but then halle jackson pressed on the president on why he pressed his associates to dismiss her. listen to his answer. >> did you pressure them -- >> a wonderful woman. i don't know her. she may very much be a wonderful woman. if you remember the phone call i had with the president, the new president, he didn't speak favorably, i just don't know her, she may be a wonderful woman. >> and you know, so you have from the president there is not quite an acknowledgment that he was behind it, but he did acknowledge that there was tension between the new president of

nbc's hans nichols has more. a major setback for the white house. >> you have the court ruling an indication that the president may get some legal challenges, basically you have a federal judge rejecting the republican complaint that impeachment is basically illegitimate because there hasn't been a full vote. all this comes as the president compares his impeachment ordeal to historic injustices faced by african-americans. >> president trump received a political blow on friday when a federal judge ruled the impeachment process was legal. a house resolution has never in fact been required to begin an impeachment inquiry. judge barrel howell wrote giving the juddishry committee the right to review the secret grand jury evidence from robert mueller's investigation. before the ruling the president insisting he didn't need a dedicated strategist to coordinate his impeachment message. >> i'm the team. >> then visiting an historically black college in south carolina where he compared his impeachment plight to the crimina

gwen nichols, the chief medical officer at the leukemia and lymphoma society. doctor erin o'shea, president of the howard hughes medical institute. doctor peggy hamburg, the foreign secretary of the national academy of medicine and former commissioner of the fda. and doctor janine clayton, director of the nih office of research on women's health. our moderator this morning is lucinda maine, ceo of the american association of colleges of pharmacy, and the pride to say boardmember of research america. thank you all leaders. we look forward to this. >> my thanks really to organizers of the forum this year for giving us an opportunity to talk about some things we don't talk about so much, and we have an exemplary panel that brings a ton of experience from public and private sectors and looking forward to moderating the conversation. just a little bit by way of background. over 50% of the phds that it recently been awarded in bioject gone to women. and yet i think it goes without saying that in some respect you all are an exception to the rule of women rising to imp

. >> joining from washington, d.c., nbc news correspondent, hans nichols, thanks for getting up earlyu're usually up early, so i shouldn't feel bad about getting you early. what's on the radar in the impeachment front, what are you looking forward to. >> we'll get the bill taylor side, the acting ambassador in ukraine. that testimony is on tuesday. because bill taylor is state department, we can have some reasonable confidence that he will appear. of the seven officials that congress fall investigators want to hear from this week, we don't have absolute certainty that they will all actually appear, and i think that gets really interesting at the send of the week, because we have alex whitman, an nsc official, in charge of europe, and we have tim morrison in charge of europe as well as russia. he's the senior director, they have both been called down to that committee. the question is will they cooperate because they are in the nsc, right, that's what's so entlesing abo interesting about the back half of the week. most of what we're hearing what happened before this phone call or leadi

i want to bring in a couple of folks, including hans nichols over at the white house for us. and hans, the white house pushback against alex vinman, a guy who is detailed over the white house is pretty fierce this morning. >> the president explicitly calling him part of this overall effort to remove him from office saying that he is a never-trumper. today's witness is a never-trumper. the president just tweeting that. earlier this morning he was hinting that maybe this witness would be a never-trumper, but he's being more explicit about it and it shows you this is a new level here at the white house when the president is accusing a uniformed member of his own military who is detailed to his staff as being a never-trumper. let be clear on what the generally accepted definition of a never-trumper is. it's someone that publicly signed a letter or wrote something or is campaigning against president trump in the republican primary or even the general election. there is no evidence that alex whitman, lu tent colonel in the army ever said anything publicly questioning donald trump's

. >> we start off turning to the white house and be in's hans nichols. put in perspective the judge's new ruling on impeachment and where the strategy from the white house stands today as more testimony is expected. >> well, in terms of the overall effect of the ruling, i don't think we quite know, because the justice department is still trying to figure out whether or not they can appeal it and there is always the possibility of the appeal. if it holds though, it is significant, and i'll tell you why. on the top of it, it undercuts the entire white house argument that you need to have a formal impeachment vote, the full house has to vote, and before that, everything else is illegitimate. in fact, the judge cited the letter from pat ciprioni talking about how the white house wasn't going to be cooperating is tipping the scales arguing that they should have access to the raw grand jury testimony, all that evidence, in the mueller report. now, in terms of practical effects, if the house does have to go through and does get access to the mueller report, tha

and hans nichols is live for us at the white house. and hans, i'll start with you. i understand you've got some new reporting on the acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney. what can you tell us? >> this morning in the morning staff meeting at the white house mick mulvaney was given a round of applause, according to two administration officials getting to something going on here at the white house. that is, they recognize they are under siege. but they're also willing, at least internally, to acknowledge that certain members are trying to go out and fight on behalf of the president. now, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone thought mick mulvaney did a wonderful job either on thursday or that sunday press conference and i should also note we haven't had any reporting to put the president in the senior staff meeting. he typically is not present on that. it may be fine that senior staff is celebrating mick mulvaney. what really matters is what the president of the united states thinks. listen to how mick mulvaney tried to clean up his thursday press conference in t

hans nichols, garrett haake, thank you both. richard engel is covering this conflict on the ground from northern syria. richard, i know you've been all over this evening, evening-time there. you hear talk of vice president pence and pompeo being sent to negotiate a cease-fire. what would that look like, considering what you're seeing? >> reporter: the u.s. does have some levers to pull with turkey. but right now turkey is saying that it is pushing on. the turkish president said a short while ago, this offensive continues, he has no intention of stopping. now, that could be for his domestic audience, we'll see what happens when vice president pence arrives. there are still american forces in the country, they are consolidating and in the process of leaving, but if we really wanted to stop this process, they could be protecting our allies. we have an extraordinary situation here. i don't think history will remember it well. you have a campaign that the kurds describe as ethnic cleansing going on right now with turkey continuing it