nick ackerman briefly worked alongside giuliani while serving as an assistant u.s.r the southern district of new york. ackerman was the first federal prosecutor to use federal rico statute to prosecute a mafia boss. the first used to prosecute his non white collar defendants. this is a adam serwer, is author of the book the cruelty is the point. let me talk to you, adam, about the continuity question. it's something you've written about and thought about and how you see the trajectory of giuliani's career which is culminating in a very serious felony indictment. [silence] >> if you look at the back of those -- races in new york city, those races are a kind of blueprint make new york city great again. they're very much rooted in the stallion, and a kind of reaction to demographic changes in new york that were upset did by the election of the first black mayor of the city. when you go back and look at the rhetoric in that election, he is comparing david dinkins to david duke, calling him racist. you can see the influence of giuliani on the trump campaign and on trump'

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she needs hundreds of thousands of dollars, not $2, 000. >> nick ackerman, temidayo aganga-williams,nk you both for being here. >> thank you. >> the state is now set for tomorrow's first presidential republican debate. trump is not going to be there, as we know. but neither will my next guest, will hurd, who is now lashing out as the republican national committee of over what he says isn't unacceptable process for who gets on that stage. plus, someone who will be on that stage, was adamant last night, here on "the source", vivek ramaswamy, saying he was misquoted in the story by the atlantic on a 9/11 conspiracy. >> are you telling me the quote is wrong here -- because it says -- >> i actually asked. when i actually, and this is just lifting the curtain on how media works -- again i asked the reporter to send the recording, because it was on the record. he refused to do it. >> now they have published a recording. we will play for you, next. we never just see the numbers. we see the people. marcus: detroit, it's just changed so much. you can see what it once was. and then, i think abo

there is a lots to unpack here and we want to do that with nick ackerman. he's a legal expert and former watergate prosecutor. mister ackerman is very good to have you on the day now for accounts 45 pages of indictment. does the d o j have a case against donald trump here? absolutely. you mentioned the crimes that are alleged. but over those 45 pages in details, all of the facts, it underlined those crimes mean every thing from him perpetrating the live that he lost the election through fraud because i'm dead. people voted because our state people vote is etc, etc. any years that live one to try and get state legislators or state officials to try and reverse the vote in certain states. and it goes to the indictment, goes through it state by state, each of the major battleground states. he use that lie to try and get state legislators to actually reverse the certification of the vote for jo, fine in those states. i use the lied to get together a bunch of state directors. and each of these states that were sent out to the national archives and in turn on to t

all right, i want to pull in now, nick ackerman, he is a legal expert and also a former watergate prosecutor. he draws me from new york city. mr. i mean, it's good to see you again, i'm trucks, lawyers, they would like to see his this trial, all of his trials tell of lies. and it's something that you've written about in new york times op ed piece today. and your 1st argument against doing this. you say is the safety of the jurors? explain as well as the safety of the jurors and the safety of the witnesses. the problem is, once they jurors and the witnesses are identified and they're on television, and people testify. are there a risk or you've got people out there that are just crazy trunk supporters of that will go to all links on to try and avenge donald trump? are we saw that happen in cincinnati? an f b i office after the f. b, i had executed the search war on mar logo. i think we saw it today. i think there was an incident today, or where somebody would threaten the life of alan bragg, who was the prosecutor in the state case in new york. the prosecution against trump here on and agains

. >> and joining me is former assistant special watergate prosecutor nick ackerman, jeff duncan, and also with us cnn political commentator van jones. gentlemen, thank you for being here. nick, i want to start with you. a as a former prosecutor during the watergate era, you have a perspective on this, this parade of former officials from the highest levels to the lowest levels, you know, a bail bondsman, it really shows the breadth and scope here. put it in context for us. >> you had the same thing in watergate. starting out with the burglary. we had people who were just people, folks taken up from florida that came in to break into the watergate complex that were brought into the d.c. courts. and then you had people as high as attorney generals. attorney general mitchell, who was nixon's attorney general and campaign manager. another attorney general who also pled guilty. two of his top aides wound up pleading guilty. so it was kind of the same parade of horribles in 1973 and '4 that we are seeing here today. it really is deja vu all over again. >> jeff, you know, as a republican, th

attorney nick ackerman. been laying all of this out for us, what has been coming out from court what the judge has been talking about. before we jump into some of her quotes and things we've heard from the judge, overall, what do you take from what we're hearing from the judge so far? >> none of this is very surprising. this is a very standard protective order that the government wants. the purpose of a protective order is for the defendant to be able to get discovery and use it for his defense. not to put on a public display or contest the allegations in a public forum. he's already agreed to two protective orders that are almost exactly the same in both the miami classified documents case and the new york case prosecution. so none of this is surprising. i think she's essentially going to be putting in place the order that the government has asked for. and based on the comments that i heard, it just reaffirms my opinion that this case is going to trial in january or february of next year. this judge is not

joined now by nick ackerman, who serves's assistant u.s.attorney, southern district of new york, and a prosecutor for the brooklyn dea. i really found your piece interesting, particularly because i had been mostly hearing people saying that we should televisit. >> transparency, transparency, transparency. >> this isn't quite a mob trial, right? donald trump isn't quite a monster. >> no, but the people that support him, and that he's really a cult leader, and that there are people out there in the cold that will do almost anything, we'll take the slightest little words that donald trump says an act on them, this wasn't the first instance, by the. way we had a shooter that was in cincinnati, outside the fbi field office, looking to shoot fbi agents after a search warrant was executed on mar-a-lago. so this is not the first time. >> it's true. i had forgotten. that >> the real danger here is, who would want to be in the witness stand that would be televised to the entire world where they would suddenly become a major target of these people? >>

and also with us, nick ackerman. thank you both for being here. obviously a key question of what the judge is going to decide, which could be any moment, nick, is how broad the scope of this protective order is. do you agree with the judge there that the points of it -- the real concern about trump potentially sharing some of this evidence? >> absolutely. what's most amazing here, kaitlan -- what is most amazing -- is they agreed to the precise same protective order in the miami case. and it's the same protective order, in essence, that went into effect in the new york prosecution. so, this is just, as the judge said, nothing but a technique to try and delay this, try and drag it out, try and have hearings, try and have more motions. i don't think the judge is going to put up with this. >> let me ask you, karen, because we did just hear from the judge. she has signalled that she is going to hold a hearing this week on this dispute, on what restrictions should be imposed, on what evidence is going to be shared. she's told the parties to come by 3:00

. >> and joining me now to discuss this further is nick ackerman.a special assistant prosecutor and assistant attorney for the southern district of new york. thanks for coming on with us. we know trump and his allies are facing these -- these rico charges are being used against them. she's used -- the d.a. down there has used that in the past to go after gangs, go after even schoolteachers in atlanta public schools for inflating students' test scores. help us understand what the benefit if you're the d.a. is to using rico here. >> well, the benefit in this particular case is being able to put together all of these schemes to defraud which consist of multiple individual crimes and making it one crime that carries with it a sentence of up to 20 years in prison, a minimum of five years to complete the sentence, the sentence of five years, the minimum could be probation as well as prison. and there's no pardon here other than five years after a conviction that at that point you can go before the georgia pardon and parole board and seek a pardon if you s

dips today only at togo's >>> our arraignment coverage continues with former watergate prosecutor nick ackermanhis hour that shows us inside the room where we heard the former president's pleading not guilty. we heard him addressed as a citizen, as mr. trump or as a defendant. and we saw a little bit of a scuffle over the coming battle over evidence and timing. your thoughts? >> i think that this case is going to go ahead pretty quickly. i think jack smith set it up with only trump as the defendant. for the very purpose of making sure that this case gets to trial almost immediately. in the next couple weeks, what jack smith is going to do is provide all of the discovery, everything is going to be -- >> just hand it over, yeah. >> just hand it over, witness statements, everything is going to be handed over. and when he shows up on the 28th, he's going to tell the judge, we're ready to go. and set schedule for motions and set the trial down for january or february. >> and the defendant trump is entitled to of course all material that might help him. they have various terms for that in court, but

. >> nick ackerman, thank you so much for starting off the show with us today. emily, please stick around. i am coming back to you shortly, as i will be getting into another tantalizing clue about the stone video and the elector plot. >>> later, a former top republican in the doj speaks out about trump's criminal exposure. >>> and threats from trump supporters to grand jurors. back in 60 seconds. this is jason johnson on "the beat". an meet the team... behind the team. the coach. the manager. and the snack dad. all using chase to keep up with their finances. the coach helps save goals here, because she saved for soccer camp there. anddd check this out... the manager deposited a check. magic. and the snack dad? he's getting paid back. orange slicesss. because this team all has chase. smart bankers. convenient tools. one bank with the power of both. chase. make more of what's yours. >>> back with more on our exclusive roger stone video, because there is another angle i want us to get to. again, here is stone talking about the elector scheme as early as november 5t

host: similar sentiments expressed by nick ackerman in a recent op-ed piece in new york times making similar case saying no matter how experienced the judge is controlling the courtroom, trump could do gestures to the broadcast this way public opinion and in the process under my the trial. concerns about witness intimidation and safety exnt to potential tv coverage. broadcasting trials are sometimes acceptable but in this instance because of concerns about prosecuting -- protecting witnesses, their critical elements of understanding with his credibility and impact on a jury. hehe was also on msnbc talking about this op-ed and elaborating further on this idea of not televising the trial. [video clip] >> this is not quite a mob trial. >> no, but people who support him and the fact that he's a court leader and are people out there that will do almost anything, take the slightest little worries he says and act on them, this was not the first instinct. we had a shooter that was in cincinnati outside the fbi field office looking to shoot the fbi agents after a search warrant was executed o

host: similar sentiments expressed by nick ackerman in a recent op-ed piece in new york times makingimilar case saying no matter how experienced the judge is controlng the courtroom, trump could do gestures to the broadcast this way public opinion and in the procs under my the trial. concerns about witness intimidation and safety extent to potential tv coverage. broadcasting trials are sometimes acceptable but in this instance because of concerns about prosecuting -- protecting witnesses, their critical elements of understanding with his credibility and impact on a jury. hehe was also on msnbc talking about this op-ed and elaborating further on this idea of not televising the trial. [video clip] >> this is not quite a mob trial. >> no, but people who support him and the fact that he's a court leader and are people out there that will do almost anything, take the slightest little worries he says and act on them, this was not the first instinct. we had a shooter that was in cincinnati outside the fbi field office looking to shoot the fbi agents after a search warrant was executed on ma