wewe talk about nih funding. nih has run amok. do wonderful work but there's no accountability look at yale, harvard, all find it because they did not do as whatthey're supposed to be doin. so, spare me a little bit guys. are a good week for my teacherd are going to continue to research. if you are doing nonsense which is happening sometimes it's time because that if i. we will continue to do wonderful things of the healthcare system. by the way i would write all of my colleagues we are dying and that. it's okay for the parents to come in the room, look at the checkbook see where we are spending money correctly. so i will get back and i want to talk about chronic disease because it so critically important. i walked in my hospital because i still see patients and is still around. the fact of morbid obesity that is rampant, at least is so much disease, cardiac disease, foot disease, you name it. where. are we going to attack this? or is it going to come from? it starts in the home. it starts in the home how guilty since sugary foods

it could affect clinical trials that are supported by the nih. fewer patients might be able to get treatment. people would lose their jobs. there's a lot of panic about what this could mean, but there's also an expectation that lawsuits are going to be filed, and there's a hope that this will be stopped because it's supposed to start today. >> the courts will be busy. meg tirrell, thank you very much for that report and explaining it so clearly, sarah. >> all right. speaking of researchers, to shed more light on the conversation, i'm joined by michael osterholm, director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. thank you so much for joining us this morning, sir. what when you hear this, um, where again, the nih is being targeted. what kind of research may be affected and impacted by this? >> well. >> sarah, it's all. kinds of research. and let me just help put the direct indirect funds into some perspective. direct funds are those which go right to the laboratory or to the research group and the wor

to heart valve replacements all started at nih. yet, earlier this week the trump administration put forward a plan to put $4 billion in federal funding for research at hospitals and universities like those in virginia which conduct some of our nation's top research. this basically cuts the legs out of a lot of nih funding. this illegal and shortsighted maneuver could decrease the kind of work that leads to medical cures and scientific breakthroughs. it could devastate a major research ecosystem in virginia. eliminate 21st century jobs, hurt countless american families who have been touched by cancer and other devastating diseases. now i'd have no earthly idea why the president would choose to cede american r&d leadership in bioat this moment to china. but what i do know is that mr. kennedy will do nothing to stop it. what we need at hhs is a nominee who's willing to go in with a scalpel, not a hatchet, to make our health care system better. we need someone with the preparedness and experience necessary to safeguard a woman's right

grants and negotiated between the grant recipient and nih.he jackson laboratory, the university of maine, maine medical center research institute, the university of new england, and mdi biological laboratory, among others. that these cuts, which in some cases would apply retroactively to existing grants, would be devastating, stopping vital biomedical research and leading to the loss of jobs. she said in that statement that kennedy indicated to her that once he is confirmed, he will go and check on that and see if he can correct course. >> so, tim, susan collins is a republican up for reelection in 2026, in a state that kamala harris actually won in november. do you think this particular move could put more republicans? i'm thinking also, north carolina's tim tillis, he's in a tough spot. the new york times reports that north carolina researchers were awarded $3.7 billion in nih grants just last year. could that get them to move a little bit? >> well, look, i think possibly i think that there is kind of the substance and political side of thi

those are the kids working at nih. those are the young people. the older scientists trying to trying to do the research, which is medicine's field of dreams, which gives hope to families that there will be a cure for that disease which is running through their family's history. that's not anything other than pure science. that's finding the best people to do that research. and all of this characterization of everything as die again is just part of the plot to attempt to loot all of these programs for the tax breaks, for musk and for all of his billionaire cronies. so it's it's wrong. the american public knows it's wrong. and if there's anything people want on a bipartisan basis, regardless of ethnicity, regardless of race, regardless of income, it is to find the cure for all of these diseases, which nih funding makes possible. >> senator ed markey from the commonwealth of massachusetts, appreciate your time this morning. kate. >> coming up for u.s. schools forced to close because of flu outbreaks. new data coming in from the cdc showing this flu

they are largely funded by the infrastructure support from the nih. >> as of friday night, the nih funding cuts are set to go into effect monday. tara campbell, abc seven news. >> san francisco is suing the trump administration over sanctuary city policies. the lawsuit challenges the president's executive order mandating federal agencies cut funding to local jurisdictions with sanctuary policies. >> since his first term, donald trump has tried different ways to coerce cities into doing the job of the federal government and carrying out federal immigration enforcement. >> santa clara county joined san francisco as plaintiffs in this lawsuit. the legal action comes a day after the justice department sued the city of chicago and the state of illinois over their sanctuary policies. meanwhile, there's a call for change here in california following president trump's executive order banning transgender athletes from womens school sports. a group of students, parents and organizations showed their stance in support of the ban at a california interscholastic federation council meeting. the cif is t

kennedy has issues with reformering nih, it leads back to vaccines. mr. kennedy and the administration reached out seeking to reassure me regarding their commitment to protecting the public health benefit of vaccination. to this end, mr. kennedy and the administration committed that he and i would have an unprecedentedly close collaborative working relationship if he is confirmed. we will meet or speak multiple times be a month. this collaboration will allow us to work well together and therefore to be more effective. mr. kennedy asked for my input into hiring position at health and human services and this will allow us to represent all sides of those folks who are contacting me over this past weekend chth he has also -- weekend. he has committed that he has worked with current vaccine and monitoring systems and not established parallel systems. if confirmed, he will maintain the centers for disease control advisory committee on recommendations without changes. cdc will not remove statements on their website, pointing out that vaccines do not cause autism

when we talk about nih funding, nih has run amok. they do wonderful work but there has been no accountability. look at yale. look at harvard. all fined because they did not do what they were supposed to be doing. if you are a good researcher you will continue the research. but if you are doing nonsense, and that is happening sometimes, it's time to kiss that goodbye. we will continue to do wonderful things with our health care system. i would remind all of my colleagues, we are dying in debt and it's ok for the parents to come in the room and look at the checkbook and see where we are spending money correctly, period. i want to talk about chronic disease because it's critically important. i walk through my hospital. i still see patients. morbid obesity is rampant. it leads to so much disease. end stage renal disease, cardiac disease, foot disease, you name it. where will we attack this? where will it come from? it starts in the home. in the home. how we deal with these things, sugary drinks, bad food. when we had 400 calories to the

they are largely funded by the infrastructure support from the nih. >> as of friday night, the nih funding cuts are set to go into effect monday. tara campbell, abc seven news. >> san francisco is suing the trump administration over sanctuary city policies. the lawsuit challenges the president's executive executive order mandating federal agencies cut funding to local jurisdictions with sanctuary policies. >> since his first term, donald trump has tried different ways to coerce cities into doing the job of the federal government and carrying out federal immigration enforcement. >> santa clara county joined san francisco as plaintiffs in the lawsuit. the legal action comes a day after the justice department sued the city of chicago and the state of illinois over their sanctuary policies. >> the federal highway administration is halting funding for states to install tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers. the money was part of the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed in 2021. now, transportation advocates say that with this uncertainty, cities need to focus more on things like publi

they are largely funded by the infrastructure support from the nih. >> as of friday night, the nih funding cuts are set to go into effect monday. tara campbell, abc seven news. >> san francisco is suing the trump administration over sanctuary city policies. the lawsuit challenges the president's executive executive order mandating federal agencies cut funding to local jurisdictions with sanctuary policies. >> since his first term, donald trump has tried different ways to coerce cities into doing the job of the federal government and carrying out federal immigration enforcement. >> santa clara county joined san francisco as plaintiffs in the lawsuit. the legal action comes a day after the justice department sued the city of chicago and the state of illinois over their sanctuary policies. >> the federal highway administration is halting funding for states to install tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers. the money was part of the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed in 2021. now, transportation advocates say that with this uncertainty, cities need to focus more on things like publi

nih has over 600 ongoing clinton trials. the nih supports hundreds more clinton trials.nical trials in cancer, pediatrics and children's health, heart and vascular studies and the aging brain, research on traumatic brain injury to members of the military, suicide prevention, addiction and patient safety. clinical trials supporting over 23,000 jobs and $5.7 billion in economic activity in maryland many these massive cuts will lead to over $200 million in losses to hopkins and never $50 million of losses to the university of maryland. i may not be a republican voter, but i can assure you republicans across our country aren't seeking to stymie progress on a cure for cancer. by putting the nih in its crosshairs, the press is targeting some of the most vulnerable americans, the young child suffering from sickle cell disease, the working mom who is struggling to care for a parent with alzheimer's, the family member suffering from an opioid addiction, all diseases being actively researched by the nih. disease and suffering does not respect the boundering of partisan politics. i

. >> this would impact all science funded by the nih and outside of that but there are real economic. the nih supports over 400,000 jobs across the country, creates over $90 billion in new economic activity so for every dollar of nih research funding you get $2.50 back in new economic activity. >> john: where do you think americans would start to recognize this in the way, in the health field or any other way? >> you probably will see a delayed effect in terms of the science but it's all the people that are employed by academic medical centers, not just scientists. security guards, janitors, the folks in i.t. support. you're going to see a lot of job cuts. in academic medical centers, those especially reliant on these funds and in some communities like durham, indianapolis, cleveland where the academic medical centers are the primary employer, those communities could be hit very hard. >> john: what about the next generation, people inspired to go to medicine, how might that affect them. >> being a scientist is not a very lucrative job and takes years of training. you really want to h

the latest innovations for breast cancer, alzheimer's, other disease categories, all nih funded. i've heard from colleagues across the country, those that have worked very hard to be physicians and scientists, researchers that are leading the cutting edge. this is going to impact our workforce. people that decide to pursue these careers in the first place, and who decide to retain those careers and stay in them despite an already difficult funding environment. so make no mistake, this impacts patients around the country. >> and as we know, medical breakthroughs, they don't happen overnight. can you speak to the time it takes for some of this research to, you know, come to a conclusion where we do have a cure or a new treatment or all of the testing that needs to happen has been completed. >> yeah. you know, on a soup to nuts from just sort of initial ideation to getting a grant to seeing something through an fda approval that can take 10 to 15 much longer, even 20 years. and that's important because some of these innovations we just mentioned for high cholesterol, for weight loss

need, and there are areas in health and human services were if you touch the gold standard for the nih and cdc, i will have a problem with that nominee and we will bring that up during oversight. it was for those reasons, and the fact that there is not a single organization that i consider to be credible in this space, and agriculture, second amendment, or pro-life, who have openly objected to scorn this vote. i believe silence is consent, and the fact that they haven't instruct me that the folks instructed by are ok with the nomination, and for those reasons i voted for mr. kennedy. chair crapo: thank you, senator tillis. senator warren. sen. warren: thank you, mr. chairman since we had our hearing last week, mr. kennedy has amended his ethics agreement. recall that his ethics agreement said that when he was secretary of hhs, he intended to retain financial interest in ongoing vaccine litigation that he was already collecting money from, and that he wanted to continue to collect that money even though he could affect the outcome of that litigation. now, he has since changed his positi

ucsf received more than a half billion dollars in nih nih grants last year. doctor monica gandhi is one of those researchers. she runs aids research at ucsf. doctor gandhi, you know, trump and musk want to cap the cost of indirect costs, these overheads at 15%. the rest of going going to research, they say. but i'm going to think that the cost of research is the cost of the microscopes and the power for the deep freeze, and the janitor who has to handle the bio waste. could you cut back if you needed to? you know, i think there could be an adjudication of cutting down, but cutting down to 15% is absolutely ridiculous and completely will will cut off research at the knees. so the way indirectt wors is that you get x amount of dollars, say, $100 for research, andhen you get $60 on top of that at ucsf, for example, to run the infrastructure. that infrastructure is exactly what you said. the laboratories, the electricity, the provision of materials to do the research. it's actually part and parcel of doing the research. when you put it in a budget, you need the u

and that all depends on tools that are funded by nih indirect costs.ere are no indirect costs flowing, we can't keep the computers running. if we can't keep the computers running, we can't do the science that we're doing. carole: i think one place where you're seeing the most immediate effect is on the trainees, who are the future of science in this country. many are right now questioning the viability of being a scientist in the u.s. going forward. and who knows how many will end up abandoning their scientific careers, moving to another country, which could lead to further brain drain from the u.s. this will severely hurt america's leadership and competitiveness in the world. dr. iwashyna: if we're supposed to work without buildings, without computers, without centrifuges, there's no way to get that done from someone else. what's at stake here is the u.s.' dominance in the world of biomedical and health research. amna: for more on all of this. let's turn now to dr. david skorton. he's president and ceo of the association of american medical colleges.

the nih. they issued this guidance document stating that all indirect cost rates for its grants would be reduced to 15%. that would be for existing grants and new grants. um, and again, this was a document that came out last week and it went into effect today. keep in mind that's one business day from when the agency actually made the announcement. now, in order to to do research, a lot of these medical researchers are saying, look, we have building costs. we have lab costs. we have to staff the labs, like all of that has to be paid for in order for you to even begin the process of doing research. and that is what these so-called indirect cost rates are all about. they help pay for that sort of maintenance and overhead. and with that being slashed, they are saying it will certainly impact how much research they can do be disrupted to the research that's currently underway. and that is the argument that we're seeing in this lawsuit. 22 democratic attorneys, generals, they say in this lawsuit, a

we ought to give at least 20% at nih to replication. we should make sure that all the science is published with raw data. we should make sure the peer reviews are also published. and i will give you a quick example, 20 years ago, scientists did a study on alzheimer's, which they said was caused by amyloid plaque. after that, nih shut down studies of any other hypothesis. 20 years later, we know that those studies were fraudulent. nih has funded 800 studies on a fraudulent hypothesis, and we've lost 20 years figuring out a cure for alzheimer's. that is just one example i can give you. we need to end that. we need to end the old boy system. if you need to have replicated both science and be completely transparent. sen. young: all right. thank you, sir. in recent years, particularly during the covid pandemic, there's been a lot of skepticism about our public health institutions. some of this, i would say, is warranted, but it has now created a precise if -- a pervasive lack of trust from the public, that these institutions are acting in ba

at least 20% of the nih budget to replication.we should make sure peer-reviewed is are also published. i will give you a quick example, 20 years ago, scientists did a study on house armors which they said was caused by plaque. nih shut down any other hypothesis. 20 years later we know those studies were flawed. nih has funded 800 studies on fraudulent hypothesis. we have lost 20 years figuring out how to get a cure for alzheimer's. that is just one example, i could give you hundreds. we need to and that. we need to have replicative will science. be completely transparent. sen. young: in recent years, particularly during the covid pandemic, there has been a lot of skepticism of our public health institutions. some of this i would say is warranted. it has created a pervasive lack of trust from the public that these institutions are acting in bad faith or failing to act with objective criteria, failing to act in the best interest of the public. if confirmed, mr. kennedy, how would you work to regain the public's trust? i suspect it w

i've spent many years litigating against nih and its sub agencies. i mean, hhs and its sub agencies. nih, cdc, fda on issues trying to get information that we the taxpayers pay for and often times getting back redacted copies after a year or two years of litigation. that should not be the case ended congress asked me for information, you will get it immediately. chair crapo: thank you. senator cantwell is next but until she returns i will move on down the list and that would be senator cornyn. senator cornyn: welcome to you and your family and congratulations. i appreciate senator grassley raising the issue of the office of refugee resettlement within the offices of health and human services. i think this may surprise people, but that is actually the responsibility of hhs, the office of resettlement relocation. under the previous administration as senator grassley alluded, there were roughly 500,000 children, unaccompanied minors place with sponsors in the interior of the united states. the previous administration took the position that it was not th

it's not that we don't want nih, nih to exist or even usaid. >> to exist. >> but we're going to whiteboard justify your existence. none of these agencies have ever had. >> to justify. >> the results. >> the outcomes and their existence. so their budgets get bloated. >> on the nih one. >> that's a. >> big. >> one for states. >> but what you found was 50% of those dollars. go to overhead and paying the salaries of folks. >> most government. >> contracts are limited to 8. >> to 10%. >> so we're. >> exposing that. so it's. >> a little like tariffs and that it's going to be fast. >> hard a little bit painful right. but in the long term. >> it creates. >> an amazing. reset for not just america. >> transparency and how dollars are spent and the backbone of all of it. and there's something that happened friday. >> that i think is huge. the backbone of this. >> is getting to a balanced budget. and nobody picked up. >> on friday, for the. >> first time ever, president trump. >> tweeted the words balanced. >> budget had never been done before. so he gets that. >> this is the long term play. >> when y

. >> general challenging this order that came out from the nih on friday night. and the amount of shock and panic that is running through the research community in the united states right now is higher than anything we've seen so far. and there have been a lot of things that have been coming to change things at the nih. so just to break down exactly what this is, because it really sounds wonky, but it's tremendously impactful. this is something called indirect costs. and the nih in 2023 said it awarded about $35 billion in external research funding. of that, the majority were direct research costs going to specific researchers for specific projects. for example, $26 billion went to those direct research costs. they say 9 billion were allocated to indirect costs. these are things that the research community refers to as facilities and administrative costs of research. so these are things that help fund research labs and equipment that's shared among researchers and isn't dedicated to just one project at a time. it's things like high speed data processing. the supp

. >> on universities on any researchers ability research and also on the world because the nih is the main research organization that advances human h alth worldwide. doctor monica gandhi is an infectious disease specialist at ucsf, she says gets more nih research dollars than any public institution in the nation. gundy says should the trump administration's funding cuts prevail? it will have dramatic consequences on those that are ill. we are really big cancer center at ucsf. so, for example, we're studying new cancer drugs. and if that has stop, then that means that someone can't get the most novel chemotherapy agent or immunotherapy to advance their health and cancer and extend lives. so cancer research, we do a lot of infectious disease research. we do a lot of cardiology heart health, which is the number one killer of americans ease preserving function good card. ask your house following a lawsuit filed monday by attorneys general in 22 states. a federal judge has temporarily blocked the trump administration's attempt to cap medical research until a hearing is held on february. 2

the nih funds have been massively abused. up to 50% go to overhead and administrative costs to these universities that should be there saying, we're going to cap that at 15%. like most other government contracts. >> well, i guess what i'm what i'm asking is, i mean, and i, i suspect that some of your, the people in the state of new hampshire would be affected by things like this, but. a bunch of overpaid. >> academics that have been abusing the system. >> oh, wait, hold on just a second. what i'm talking about is medical research, which is what these things fund. and i think katie britt is talking about this too. there's a concern that just broadly cutting is going to basically stop the the creation of medical. >> research is worried. >> about across. >> the country, a bunch of professors getting fired. what this is saying is for the million dollars, we're going to give you 8000 850,000 actually has to be spent on that medical research. your product, not 50% of it on salaries. >> you're not concerned that this is going to hav

this would cripple hiv, cripple nih research. now listen to this. ucsf received more than a half billion dollars in nih grants last year. it's actually the second largest employer in san francisco. and doctor gandhi expects immediate layoffs if funding for support staff is cut. all right. let's talk about the weather now. blue skies across the bay area. boy, that looked gorgeous this weekend, yesterday and today. but of course, you're the harbinger of change. change is coming. meteorologist rob mayeda is here because he's got to tell us something. something's going to change. it's not going to look like this. but the good news, it's not going to be as cold. so if you don't like all the frost and the ice on the windshields the last couple of mornings, we will see some changes ahead starting tomorrow. increasing clouds in that microclimate forecast. as we take you into that, you can see our morning temperatures will be in the 30s and low 40s. frost advisories still up for oneore morning, but notice the changes moving forward. hour by hour as we go thr

we also need to reform institutions like fda and nih, and those are already my priorities as chairman of that committee. i look forward to his support in accomplishing this. if confirmed, i look forward to working together with mr. kennedy to achieve president trump's mission of improving the health of all americans. and with that, i yield. host: on the independent line from tampa, this is ken. caller: i am calling to say that representative from north carolina, how come he said he landed a helicopter with the guys in north carolina where the flood took over but he never mentioned that those people should return back their own homes and yet he is supporting trump to not allow the palestinians to return home. and the last thing is they have elon musk access to the u.s. treasury while trump is doing all these distractions to keep people off of them coming in through the back door of the u.s. treasury while distracted on other things. what about the price of eggs, gas. eggs, none on the shelf. when is america going to wake up and understand that all of this is a fraud? host: john is up n

on friday night, the trump administration announced it was cutting billions of dollars in nih fundingt saw a temporary legal victory for the case to let those funds move ahead. what should we understand about that case and its impact? laura: a second judge has said moments ago that the administration needs to release that funding for the national institutes of health. that goes to medical centers, universities, and it funds research for things like cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. they said the administration needs to show within 24 hours that they have released those funds, they have to show that on an ongoing basis. essentially, the states argue this is lifesaving research that is being held up because of this block. amna: we see mr. trump and elon musk's work to slash that. the federal workforce continuing with the consumer financial protection bureau. tell us about that. laura the head of the budget : office for the trump administration, but also the acting director of the cfpb, the consumer watchdog group, he ordered all cfpb staff stop working, don't come into the office. th

quote, senator ted budd of north carolina, whose state includes two of the largest recipients of nih grants in duke university and unc chapel hill, said, quote, there's great research being done by all of our institutions. we need to protect that quote. i think the white house wants to protect that. do they do you think they want that? do you think that's why they just ordered devastating existential level cuts across the board immediately with no warning to all research institutions? it's because they want to protect that great research. do you think that's why they did it, senator, but actually went so far as to say on the record that he, quote, agrees with trump's cuts to universities and medical and scientific research. he agrees with it, and he is telling his constituents he agrees with these cuts. but, you know, he's also sure, sure that the trump white house really, in their heart of hearts, wants to protect the universities and research facilities. and like unc and duke are going to be fine. right. and all the other huge employers in his state that got that kind of funding th

. >> nih funding. >> which amounts to. close to $40 billion, funding. >> institutions all across. >> our country. >> to advance. >> medical research to save and extend lives. our courts have sided with us in numerous cases to say these actions are not only unconstitutional, but that the president does not have the authority via an executive order or a sharpie to rewrite the constitution, and that he can pursue, as i do, as attorney general of massachusetts every day, lawful policies advance an agenda. including one around affordability, expanding access to health care, reducing prices. all of these things you can do lawfully. but sadly, he has continued to demonstrate that he does not want to do that and has a disregard for the rule of law, which is really unfortunate. >> one of the cases, which is this, you know, the funding freeze that was directed by this memo that went out, which caused absolute havoc, which is being evaluated in multiple jurisdictions. we should note they tried to appeal this temporary restraining ord

so tell us more about the work that you have been able to do with this nih funding so we study childrenwith developmental language disorders. >> these kids have difficulty learning complex vocabulary, complex sentences. they have trouble telling and understanding stories. they have trouble learning to read and write. our study is designed to look at and compare what we believe is an impactful. intervention that we have designed, and to test it in a rigorous manner. i'm really committed to this concept that's evidence based practice. and so we're really doing the best we can to look at the the evidence that supports the different kinds of. communication outcomes of the the language intervention practices that we have developed. >> so what is the direct impact of this nih funding on people. and could you do your work without it? >> well, we believe that it's vital for children with language disorders to receive interventions that have proven. effectiveness. so children and families have enrolled in the study. they've put our trust in us. they want the best for their their kids, and we wan

watches this nih freeze happen. she freaks out. she says, well, i've talked to rfk jr about it.nson today said, i talked to jd vance, and i think the federal the executive gets to control funding. >> sometimes i worry about repeating myself. i'm on day five of saying the republican congress has collapsed. it has collapsed. the constitutional crisis is not just because of the malfeasance of donald trump. it's because the likes of susan collins, of mike johnson, of mitch mcconnell, of steve scalise, the republican congress has collapsed, and that creates the crisis. this is not a crisis. if donald trump is held to account by the congress. >> and part of the reason for the crisis phase, when elon musk was doing his very weird physiology today, he was very, very, very twitchy. i have no idea what's going on with him, but just very seemed sort of irritable and just noting that when he was giving his monologue on democracy and mandates, he neglected to say that those same voters sent the thinnest ruling majority in decades. and part of the kind of autocratic push here is the other sid

blocked on on cutting nih funding. they've been blocked on getting into all of the information. >> about every. >> american that. >> the department of. >> treasury violating privacy rights of all americans. >> they have. >> been blocked. so they're very unhappy, but they're unhappy because they don't like the constitution. they don't like the checks and balances. they don't like the system that was constructed to make sure that we did not have a king. we did not. >> have a. >> dictator. >> but we. >> had, in fact, a system that ensured that all of these constitutional rights would be protected. and so right now, they're stymied for the time being. but ultimately, we know what the plot is. the plot is to get into medicare, to get into medicaid, to get into all of the department of education funding programs, to get into clean air, to get into clean water, and why, to find the hundreds of billions of dollars in order to have the tax breaks for the millionaires and billionaires. so they're right now frustrated. by the cou

, this disastrous, disastrous nih, stopping the funding they have taken on.e stopped him from rummaging around the treasury data. they have stopped the freeze of the funding. they are taking this on. and we that's the court strategy. the congress strategy is oversight and taking on these nominees through the night. i'm still here in the middle of a snowstorm. joy. and then finally standing with our constituents, which they are. they are literally shutting down the phone lines. so i would not for a second put this on democrats right now. this is why aren't the republicans standing up. >> and i totally get that. and i would love to get a republican to come on and answer that question. we haven't been able to do that yet. let me ask one more question. if the logic of donald trump is that he gets to do you guys job and decide how the public's money is spent, and you all have no say in it, and he can just bypass you. why shouldn't states like california and new york, who are donor states, say, okay, in maryland and other states like that, say, then we're not going

science and none of the prior experiences or organizations and health and human services but the cdc and nih and others under the umbrella of healthcare and let's be candid, mr. kennedy was running for president and he lost and approached president trump to make a deal and for political reasons the deal was made and the president has a right to make that deal but it doesn't translate into competence. the priority but the vaccine, we need reliable vaccines and not conspiracy theorists on the healthcare system is not working for the american people. it's too costly. employers care deeply. the folks getting insurance on their own can't afford even obamacare and prices are escalating with providers in private equity getting into healthcare. this was about his view of vaccines, not healthcare more affordable and accessible. mr. kennedy showed willful ignorance three of the healthcare system not serving as a should, the interest of american citizens, american businesses and american taxpayers and i did not have confidence mr. kennedy would be the one to a better future. >> thank you, senator welsh

the big one from over the weekend was the freeze on nih spending.osts that you think are too high, but going to them and saying and indirect costs have to come down to 15% would completely hobble american innovation. >> jeanine: but without elon musk, we would not know about any of this stuff -- changed genders -- >> jessica: the future of -- you get $2.46 back, they generate $93 billion a year. >> jeanine: trump has thrown in -- >> jessica: elon musk events of that is not real money. he replied to the tweet. katie britt, senator from alabama had to go say do not take our nih dollars. >> jeanine: greg at? >> greg: this is the conversation were supposed to be having. there is so much fraud. hundreds of billions of dollars and fraud. imagine you had an icon on your computer screen, and it was the white house, you never double-click on it. it was just there. musk finally double-click, and we are seeing the files. it is read-only. nothing is happening. we are reading the files. and that is enough to scare the poop out of these democrats. it is a gravy t

by the senator from alabama had to say no don't take our nih dollars. >> judge jeanine: greg?e are supposed to be having. is so much fraud, you bring out medicare, there's hundreds of billions informed. imagine he had an icon on your computer screen over the white house and you never double-click on it, and it was just there. elon musk finally double clicked and we are seeing the files. it is read only, we are reading of the files. that has to scared the sixmak out of the democrats. it's not about the constitution. the treasury rubber-stamped these things, no control, no stopgap, it's becoming a revelation for people. when you are a victim of fraud or there are three parties, the victim, the perpetrator and the person he called to stop the fraud of. the democrats are not the vi victim, and they are not to the people starting -- trying to stop it, who are they? they are the perpetrators. they are embracing the caregivers sanga oh, my god,, they will have the social security numbers. these guys are on a paypal, they have social security numbers. >>> they don't even know -- eithe

and the nih is saying that that's going to save billions in tax dollars. there are scientists, though, that are saying this could really impact, even devastate, medical research in the u.s., help us untangle all of that sure. >> so nih has a funny way that it pays universities, agencies direct costs, the direct costs of the of the researcher and the supplies. but then it also pays indirect costs. all of the overhead, but not just overhead, all the supplies, all this other material that's really critical for the research by capping it at 15%, it's going to make research a huge loss for every institution in the country. and what we're going to see is most institutions, most universities, most hospitals get out of the research business. what does this mean? it means that biomedical research, which i would argue has been one of the shining stars of america, it's responsible for development of heart disease and cancer treatments. much of that is going to go away, and this is going to be a huge boon to china. china has been trying to poach some of our best scien

my small business is currently partially funded through an nih, nhgr grant. today the grant is frozen and we are unable to access any funds. if this freeze lasts more than a month, we will have to lay off hardworking employees and shut our doors. think about that. here's someone who has built a small business around doing more effective cancer screenings and prenatal screenings, and she has been recognized by the national health institute as someone who's doing the kind of cutting enresearch -- edge research and delivering the kind of services we need and because russ vought, donald trump, and elon musk say no, we're just going to freeze funding here, the consequence, as she says, i'm at risk of having to lay off my employees and close my business. i've heard this from many of my constituents. another in worcester runs a small nonprofit to help communities vulnerable to the climate crisis. they have one and a half million dollars in contracts that they now can't access and soon they're going to have to lay off employees. the impact of holding this money up is

when the nih and nsf put out their solicitations, their asking for critical scientific research to be done on behalf of the american people. that research cures diseases and saves lives. and the institutions who apply for these solicitations are saying enthusiastically, yes, we can do that. yes, we share that dream. yes, we believe that we can make a better product, that we can make a better medicine, that we can make a better treatment for people who are suffering, and we want to be part of that. and now, here we are in chaos and confusion, and the united states government is trying to break that contract. americans will suffer because of it. this is trump's plan for americans' health, and kennedy will be a rubber stamp for whatever donald trump wants to do. let's talk just a little bit more about that covid vaccine. remember how in the dead of the pandemic hundreds of millions of americans were counting on that vaccine as the light at the end of the tunnel and how when we were shut away from our friends and family and trying to keep ourselves and our communities safe, that vaccine a