it's neutral stance for the this is nina hodges. she's travelling with the german foreign minister, germany and south africa see each other as very important partners when it comes to tackling global issues, such as the fight against the climate crisis, such as the attempt to get towards a more green economy adjusted economy. more equality also for women bought a lot of trusts, was damaged last year when south africa refused to join west and support as of ukraine and did not condemn russia's actions in ukraine, quite as openly as the west would have hoped. so this is a message coming out of the bedbugs sneezing with a south african count of policy today, at least talks of being resumed again, at least one side is willing to listen to the other. the positions might differ, but there is a joint willingness to bridge those differences. germany says it's support. south africa's attempts of helping to bring about peace. now working on these documents on these concrete piece plans is already something that's gemini, says it is looking for