do not bother if that is your personality because joining us now is noah kass, clinical director withimply by a psychological frame of mind. make it a little easier on us. what do you got? >> perfection san expectation and it's a freaking illusion. this idea that one day we will have achieved optimal success. >> you're saying it's not going to happen? >> the premise is off, right? >> what's wrong with the premise of perfection? >> because it doesn't exist. how would quantify it? >> a snowflakes. a raindrop, a perfect wave. a leaf on a meadowy day. >> and in the workplace, what happens if something changes? it's conditional. it's not the idea that you should abandon progress at work, it's that you should start trusting your gut more in the product you produce. original thought is highly undervalued. often people go through two, three, four, five, six edits so that the original project that they thought of, that they were going to give to their supervisor, has essentially been abandoned, and we all know sometimes that original thought is the core. >> and you're saying subjecting ourselv

joining us now, noah kass with some tips on building a new relationship and maybe a new old paradigm.ty on, honesty, transparency. those are the keys to meaningful relationships. if you have meaningful relationships, then you can create change. this has been a theme we've been talking about over and over again in our conversations. the subjects may have varied, but the themes stayed the same and your show and you specifically have been the living embodiment of that. >> you know my whole life, but it is no question for me into learning this particular practice of communicating to a publ public, people don't listen to who they don't trust and people know so much now. >> if you're not going to give credit to yourself, will you allow me to give credit? you did something different on this program than most that most people don't do. you really, really respected your audience. you allowed them into the circle. you often and people have always asked me, what's dylan like? he has a lot of opinions, he speaks pretty loud. yes, he does have a lot of opinions about a lot of things, but that's no