amy: so that is noam chomsky.nn greenwald, how is the media allowed to cover noam chomsky visiting lula in prison, and also the significance of what happened to lula and then who the person, the handpicked lula is? to >> i met with noam chomsky after that meeting. we talked a lot lula about the dynamics brought up to this point. this brought us to this point. the dynamic is so similar to what is happening in the u.s., the u.k., and in western europe where you see this spread of extremism and this rise of right-wing fanaticism. the media outlets in the establishment factions that have laid the groundwork for its rise refused to take in a responsibility. and that is definitely the case here in brazil, where a very allegorical media is in the hands of a small number of very rich families. has created the climate in which bolsonaro's victory is possible. even though these journalists themselves are afraid of a notonaro win and are supporting him, they continue to endorse the narrative, which is the biggest asset bolso

amy: that is renowned linguist and political activist noam chomsky. as we wrap up and leading into this runoff, the significance of the media in shaping popular opinion in brazil? >> that is very important because during the administration of dilma rousseff , as an example, unemployment rate was 4%. now it is 15%. so of course, you know, there is an economic crisis. but instead of looking at the media, the mainstream giving intoole of fear and that creates the space for fascist candidates like bolsonaro. so the question is, because the left-wing parties already announced they're going to be united for the second round. the question is, how the neoliberal parties, let's say the mainstream conservative party that are implementing structure. conservativem nearly broke parties. how it within -- what decision they're going to make. because it is a risky decision to support a far right fascist candidate. i think that is the main question. amy: maria luisa mendonca, thank you for being with us, director of the network for social justice and human rights in b

is this a thing where they get hit for being allegedly liberal and yet there are voices, you, noam chomskythat are clearly established intellectuals who happen to be progressive that don't get the same attention. >> that's right. they printed more war criminals in op-eds in "the new york times" than they have major piece advocates like noam chomsky, the late howard zen, the editorial page is sometimes pretty good, pretty liberal but by and large it's like they're on the defensive, open it up to the civic progressive community, all the groups that built america and improved its justice. >> apparently they're afraid of the nader sandwich. among other things which is a new thing we created. bob, we might need like a rap beat to settle this. who do you want to fall back? >> my fallback this time is the train seat hogs with them on air track and whether whether it's amtrak, an old lady with 15 bags on the seat instead of putting above. you know, it's a holiday weekend. there's people looking for a seat and you can't find a seat. or the cat on the train out of borough, the man taking up three se

illegally in fact noam chomsky just went to visit him. a few weeks ago so again i think that that context just has to be out there and people have to realize that in fact brazilian's goals were being met under lula and he now rots in jail and there's been almost no protest in the western media or by western governments about that fact about this very popular leader sitting in jail as a fascist comes to power in brazil one of the things i thought was really interesting is in your new book the plot to control the world you did talk about you know they nine hundred sixty four crew that you know the one that a wall of paulson are saying like every great we could go back to that that coup was literally a u.s. backed government coup. do you consider these votes for someone like him to be kind of the backlash to u.s. interference as an elections. well what i see it as more of as again in addition to the there popular leader being sidelined they also see the vote as desperation you know we the let's face it world capitalism is now in huge crisis

new york times because my my perspective is way too far on the left they simply won't publish me noam chomsky much greater me and then i will ever be is is be and basically without anybody saying it from the pages of the new york times and the washington post that's outrageous though all these organizations should be broken up they shouldn't be allowed to have the monopolies that they have you know the times shouldn't be owning television stations washington post shouldn't be shouldn't even be allowed to own the washington post even jennifer have to warn you that these things should be broken up and why not break up google and we're coming to the bottom how you and i were twitter. we could have this conversation for hours upon end and actually i would like to under different circumstance dave lindorff jennifer braden thanks for being with us here on our to international again wish we could go on further. by that does it for me i'll be back with more news at the top the hour you're watching international stay with us. i would prefer to say there sir the human space is must become into prana te

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