. >> and helped promote the nonoffensive, high self-esteem is more important than actually having a skill: [ laughter ] >> saved a lot of school districts a lot of money, but the mechanics, the engineers, the plumbers, it results in a lot higher prices for those guys to get them. getting a plumber is like waiting for the pope. >> the average age is 86 years old. they're not around anymore. neil: so what do we do? >> you become a third-world country, if the lights don't work, hot water is not coming out. right now what we need to do is let the kids play and climb trees and twist their ankles. it's okay, it's all right. it happens. when we were playing outside in the 1800s. neil: pre-woodstock. >> we were problem solving. we were fixing our own bicycles, climbing trees and didn't get trophies for everything. neil: you and i were chatting over the break that everyone was a winner and, of course you and i know that everyone is not a winner. >> the advantage of being told you stink is at 8 years old you had an opportunity to face an emotional crisis, and learn how to handle it. you didn't have