in the north atlantic. but by and large -- >> where there is a lot of traffic. >> but it's not mandated by and large. the technology exists and the data streams exist. if you talk to the cynics they will say the airlines don't want to spend the money on the data. it would raise costs. if you have 600 planes or 500 planes in the fleet, that is a sizable cost that will go on the ticket. you have to weigh that against the sort of incident that we're now facing here. >> it's a question for municipals or regions to mandate it? >> it is in the north atlantic. but it's interesting to me that there would be a discrimination between that area of the world very this area of the world. the technology is available. so why would you stop the data from streaming going down to south america or into asia versus just the north atlantic. simply yes, it is mandated but how much more expensive can that be? >> i do think this whole tragedy is going to start to raise a lot of questions by passengers about aircraft they are now f

the north atlantic council, which is the primary decision making body for nato met for over four hours today comprised of 28 ambassadors. ukraine was the topic of discussion. we're still, as i mentioned, waiting for a statement out of that the nato secretary-general had this to say before those meetings began. take a listen. >> what russia is doing now in ukraine violates the principles of the united states charter. it threatens peace and security in europe. russia must stop its military activities and its threats. today we will discuss their implications for european peace and security and for nato's relationship with russia.

but we have had search and rescue operations in the north atlantic and north pacific. it is the variance of the weather, the back and forth of the weather that gets really tricky in there. >> all right, joe bastardi, thank you for joining us, with weather.com. and tim brown, and retired p-3 c mission. let's talk about the role that is played here, and apparently fairly pivotal and accurate. >> well, the satellite imagery is the australian's californvea possible, they said possible several times, including the prime minister. so what it means is the imagery shows there is possibly something there. but it is enough to send aircraft to do surveillance. not enough to make the case. they will probably have to research it and send more satellite imagery to see if there is anything there if the storms have not sunk whatever was floating. >> all right, tell us about the process of downloading the images. apparently it takes time and why the delay? >> well, it takes -- first of all, it comes off satellite. then it bounces from another satellite to the ground station, then it is

. >> but ambassador, on the issue of nato, it is the north atlantic treaty organization.'t there some geographic definition title of it. and it's a military alliance. it's not an economic alliance. it's different between the eu and nato. those are very different things. >> they're very different things. you're right, there's an economic organization called the european union, and the question for the ukrainians is whether they want to join the european union on the economic term. nato is a political and a security organization. again, the ukrainians can decide if they want to join. i don't think the word north atlantic treaty should exclude people, nations who want to join. this is a sovereign decision. it's a sovereign decision frankly of ukraine, but also of the members, the current members of nato. >> eiffel like we're just beginning this conversation. we're out of time tonight. we will all be at this table discussing it in it future. thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, chris christie is going to cpac tomorrow. the group that banned him from speaking last

north atlantic council issued a very strong statement on behalf of all a the allies. we'll work closely with hem in the coming days and weeks to insure that the al -- alliance stands strong on this. diversification has been the heart of our policy toward europe in past 25 years under every administration and remains at the heart of that. obviously there is long way to go but we strongly belief diverse sources of energy, lack of reliance on single supplierwe is important for europe's security andve future developme, thanks you. >> we go now to mr. brian higgins of new york. or did you have a point you wanted to make, mr. singh? >> i was just going to make the.it is clearly important to collaboraterk closely on sanctis but we should also acknowledge a very welcome announcement byke europe in terms t of theirle assistance to thear ukrainianon people. what is important we all comeno together as anwl international community and meet ukraine's financing needs as it makes the reforms it needs to achieve economic stability which will pave the path to independent political fut

and one off the south america and in the north atlantic and the south atlantic. the one glaring difference the 122 objects found and the reason we get more credence and credibility to that object is this garbage patch is different in that the concentration is scattered about. here it is more like an island in the north pacific between hawaii and the west coast of the u.s. compared to what we're seeing here. once you get in the south indian ocean the concentration becomes limited. very unusual to see large clusters of trash in this region. and the vast majority is going to be invisible to the huge eye. the credence of the debris found in this region is something that officials are trying to get to as quickly as possible. and the storm system that halted operations today is moving out very quickly. in five or six hours the clouds will begin to clear up over the region and remains this way for friday and saturday into sunday. the early part of sunday. this was the scene on wednesday afternoon in the region where they resumed the search. these are the clouds you woul

you get out to the location, there's rain showers, low clouds, deep seas a little bit like a north atlantic storm. a very significant challenge to find debris in the water under those conditions. >> indeed. so if these objects are, in fact, in the water, one. two, if they are the missing plane, how difficult will it be to recover the wreckage and those black boxes that all of us have been talking about? >> look, it's going to be very difficult because the depth of the ocean is approximately two to three miles deep and, again, the weather will be a major factor because we're coming up to winter in the southern hemisphere. winter storms will make it extremely difficult for ships in the area and they'll have to -- like they did with air france 447, they'll have to use submersibles to locate the black boxes. they'll have to get the wreckage off the sea floor if that's what they decide they want to do, that will be an enormous challenge. >> the difference is they found the wreckage. but until you know where the wreckage is, it's pretty much like that proverbial needle in a haystack, correct? >>

we, as i mentioned, take the north atlantic alliance and its obligations solemnly, seriously and we are looking actively to consider how we can do more as an alliance to respond to this set of developments. but i would also add that we've said all along that the alliance is based on a set of values and commitments and principles, what kind of societies have come together. in this case we have stated publicly, for example, that georgia will be a member. that was stated twice by the alliance and remains our position. we believe all societies should have the right, all countries based on the will of their people to choose their alliances, their friendships and the organizations they wish to join. that's just a basic set of principles. that's something each country should be free to decide for itself. that's the most important principle. >> we go to mr. mike mccall of texas. >> i recently went to russia and got the sense that mr. putin is going back to a cold war mentality. this is more of a philosophical question. do you believe russia is intend on reconstituting its empire? >> i think, as

well it's a concerted policy on the part of the north atlantic treaty organization nato. oh which turkey is a part of has been a part of the songs the early nineteen fifties. it appears that with the strategy of the super bowl the attack of some syrian territory on to turkey. therefore providing a rationale to draw in the support of the united states and perhaps his role as well as britain and other states are better part of the nato alliance. certainly nato members share turkey says sentiments about this during government both openly support the rebels in their fight against damascus and as for how far turkey will go. i knew the guy in youtube seems to offer some insight on that it's a great peek into the way governments operate regional wars that they would like to have happen when i'm on somebody else. a lot of these insurgents are trained in the american military bases and air force bases in turkey then put into syria syria it also has gotten all shipments of weapons to insurgents shipments of weapons and turkey. so far. nato has not gotten involved with turkey's grab

ukraine have asked me to for help with protecting its territorial integrity and sovereignty the north atlantic treaty organization is to me later that sunday and brussels to discuss the matter by eu ministers are to hold an emergency session on monday another development canada says it's pulling its ambassador from moscow over the crisis. meanwhile on the saturday the un security council held its second emergency session over at the tensions. ukraine's a un ambassador asked members to stop the aggression against his country saying that the number of russian troops already inside ukraine is increasing every hour. un sec gen bonding would have spoken with the butter content and here's what he had to say about the conversation. see the movements and i'm gravely concerned by some of the recent events. i've taken up. four setback with you when you didn't compromise uniquely sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country. the disc was shut to restore calm. add prosciutto and the media the escalation of the situation. ford has less to prevail and battle was pg forty tour ending this crisis i ap

the north atlantic council is meeting probably even as we speak now. they will be -- i know that secretary-general of nato rasmussen issued a very strong statement against what has happened. but i don't know what is actually on the table with rect to the steps they may or may not take. but they're deeply concerned. today or tomorrow, the european foreign affairs council will meet. they are very concerned about what has happened. we talked yesterday with japan, with others. this is a global concern because in the 21st century, countries have been working to establish a different kind of behavior as the norm. >> that i understand. i'm just trying to understand. i think a lot of people watching us are trying to understand how important is ukraine essentially to the united states. what's our interest there. >> is this worth fighting for literally? >> david, let me make it clear. the people of ukraine reply fighting for democracy, they're fighting for freedom. they're fighting to have their voices heard and not be governed by a clep tocracy, but a tyrant, b

it down to these two places, because the other search area was bigger in space than the entire north atlantic ocean. so this is hopeful. but i have to question the idea that they're saying the plane crashed. that's the word that's been severaled times, crashed. where does that information come from and howreconcile those that with the idea that the airplane was airborne for five hours plus? what were they doing for all that time, just zigzagging back and forth? doesn't make sense that the plane would be airborne that amount of time and only have gotten that far, unless i'm missing something. >> i understand your question. we're going to take a quick break. bob, david, ron, just stay with us. we have more breaking news on the growing possibility of some kind of human involvement, whether it was sabotage or we don't know frankly, but of human control of the aircraft. we'll talk to a reporter from "the wall street journal" about what his sources are now telling him. it's a story that's just broken. stay with us. 75 a month? yup. all 5 of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's

in that document it says that that nation, ukraine, can come to the north atlantic council of nato iferritory integrity is threatened, their security is threatened, it can come and say, we would like to bring our attention. >> would nato come to the defense of ukraine? >> i think if the u.s. would invoke that to the north atlantic council because that is part of the agreement, i think that the united actions by nato could have an effect to deter what russia may or may not do with troops. >> but they have to agree. you've got to get germany, you've got to get all of the nato allies on board. they have been hesitant to act. >> many of them are very concerned that this is a portend of the future. look, there are ethnic russians in estonia and a western outpost in europe. this can have an effect, i think, if action isn't taken not just military, political, diplomatic, economic. >> i'm going to show our viewers new video just coming in. these are russian troops. they are fully operational. they are dressed in military uniforms. they are now on the ground in ukraine in crimea. >> so you hav

s approval to the members of the north atlantic council in condemning the russian military escalation in crimea. we are stepping up efforts to increase the i'll take air policing mission and strengthening our detachment cooperation -- cooperation with poland. today the united states has a full package of measures aimed to demonstrate the force of u.s. resolve in the face of military aggression intervention and threats. pursuant to to the presence to the presents guidance to state departments putting in place visa rejections a member of officials and individuals reflecting a policy decision to deny visas to those responsible for or are threatening the territorial integrity of ukraine. in addition to present signed and an executive order that authorizes sanctions on the entities responsible activities undermining democratic processes or institutions in ukraine threatening peace security sovereignty or territorial integrity contributing to the misappropriation of state assets were purporting to usurp governmental authority without authorization from the ukrainian government in kiev. we h

member shall be considered an attack on all well it's a conservative policy on the part of the north atlantic treaty organization nato which turkey is a part of has been a part of the us since the early one nine hundred fifty s. it appears that was the strategy was to provoke an attack from syrian territory on to turkey therefore providing a rationale to draw in the support of the united states and perhaps israel as well as britain and other states that are part of the nato alliance certainly nato members share turkey's sentiments about the syrian government both openly support the rebels in their fight against damascus and as for how far turkey will go a new leak on you tube seems to offer some insight on that it's a great peek into the way governments operate and how they join up wars that they would like to have happen and blame them on somebody else a lot of these insurgents were trained in american military bases and air force bases in turkey then put into syria syria. also has gotten all shipments of weapons i should say the insurgents have gotten shipments of weapons from turkey so far

we think it's very important for the international entities, the osce, the u.n., nato, the north atlantic council, the eu foreign affairs council which will meet tomorrow all need to weigh in. and i believe they will weigh in heavily. >> let me just pin you down on that. you're saying that congress is considering military aid to ukraine. you want congress to pass military aid to ukraine. but do you want them to impose economic -- excuse me do you want them to impose economic sanctions on russia? >> the day will come where we will have to engage in that sort of activity. all options are on the table. no question but that russia needs to understand this is serious. and we and the other friends and allies engaged in this are all deadly serious about this. you cannot behave this way in the 21st century and sit around the table with the normal entities and pretend that life is as usual. it is not going to be as usual. but we believe there is an alternative. we call on russia to engage with the government of ukraine. we're prepared to work very closely with russia in order to address whatever l

we, as i mentioned, take the north atlantic alliance and its obligations solemnly, seriously and we areking actively to consider how we can do more as an alliance to respond to this set of developments. but i would also add that we've said all along that the alliance is based on a set of values and commitments and principles, what kind of societies have come together. in this case we have stated publicly, for example, that georgia will be a member. that was stated twice by the alliance and remains our position. we believe all societies should have the right, all countries based on the will of their people to choose their alliances, their friendships and the organizations they wish to join. that's just a basic set of principles. that's something each country should be free to decide for itself. that's the most important principle. >> we go to mr. mike mccall of texas. >> i recently went to russia and got the sense that mr. putin is going back to a cold war mentality. this is more of a philosophical question. do you believe russia is intend on reconstituting its empire? >> i think, as i s

i didn't think that ukraine was very close to the north atlantic. it's a. pleasure to have you with us here on our t.v. today i'm wrong researcher. i. think so stay with us here on our chief international in the nation republic had a long and rich history and could soon reappear on the world map a referendum is now underway in the province of benito backed by local authorities on whether to break away from italy now citizens can log onto a dedicated a website or vote by phone saying whether they want to form an independent state parties are really going to find out what is the motivation for the nations to say goodbye to rome. people here believe that they have an absolute right for independence they say they don't want to have rome as a bureaucratic entity ruling over them they believe it's simply unfair because their earnings are going over to rome in order to make up for the countries that italy's financial woes as matter of fact if does to see from italy they're also looking to leave the euro to the e.u. and leave nato as well i came here to. go

the north atlantic council, which is the primary decision making body for nato met for over four hours today comprised of 28 ambassadors. ukraine was the topic of discussion. we're still, as i mentioned, waiting for a statement out of that the nato secretary-general had this to say before those meetings began. take a listen. >> what russia is doing now in ukraine violates the principles of the united states charter. it threatens peace and security in europe. russia must stop its military activities and its threats. today we will discuss their implications for european peace and security and for nato's relationship with russia. >>> currently under way a meeting of the nato ukraine commission. that is at the request of ukrainian officials. the commission was actually established in 1997. it was designed to improve ukraine's defense capabilities as well as strengthen ties between kiev and western europe. so that meeting currently under way. we don't have a timetable as to when that will end. we do expect ukrainian ambassador to speak here in brussels following that meeting. so far the mes

the north atlantic treaty was put together to protect the member states. they're not a member state. nato is not involved in this. the u.s. could be involved if they want to. if they want to get involved militarily, i don't think they do. >> don't you think that's what she was talking about? >> no, nato has no right. >> don't you think a goal of putin was to take nato and disarming nuclear defense, that was a major goal of putin, and guess what, he got it. >> one of the reasons putin is doing this is the ukraine has made it clear, at least for the oppositions now in power, that they want to join the eu, and putin doesn't want it, because it becomes the basis for him putting the old soviet union together. >> the president wants them to stay out of this, he would assist the ukrainian people in creating a stabilized economy and situation, stabilize the country to move forward to spring elections, saying they have a right to representative government. that's where he leaves it, like this is not our problem to deal with. >> i think my guess is putin's goal is a

thing to get a good intelligence picture, we can communicate with the russians, i believe that north atlanticounsel, must be communicating, as well as u.s. and get a lot of diplomacy involved. >> as you know, right now, putin say there will not be any discussion, he is not responding to requests for discussion, he continues to move trooping from crimea, to show something of how anemic the response has been, ukraine's own government, establishing a new national guard today, they have 6,000 combat ready infantry, that air force, ukrainian air force out numbered 100 to 1. this would all it seems to me, if i may with all respect, i am intrigued by this scpu are the expert, it seems that discussion of moving air assets and forces that time is long passed. because, the russian army can be moved anywhere it wants, with almost, no resistance. >> no question about that. if he wants to seize the ukraine, and move in, he can do that real question is, can we put enough empedment or make him thing can we dissuade him what does it take? i think that is what we're trying to talk about. if you look at his st

there's any sense left, sir, of this far but no further, it is precisely in article v of the north atlanticlliance. and i still believe in it, you know? i think -- i don't believe the united states will renege on that commitment. that is a treaty commitment, and whatever the retrenchment, whatever the wavering, whatever the araised red lines, that is a treaty commitment. i believe it's credible to has cow, and i believe the fact -- to moscow, and i believe the fact that it is in place toddy minishes the risks of this combustible situation escalating. i don't think we should allow any veto from moscow on the extension of the e.u. or nato to other nations further east, and i think it's the moment to make that clear. that doesn't mean that these things can be accomplished overnight, and they won't be. but personally, i'm in favor of leaving the door open because i believe that history shows us that that's the way you lock in peace, rule of law, security, values to which many people on the face of this earth are deeply attached. yeah, the pinata of the e.u., you know, that's what it is to many

. >> yet any more direct form of intervention in the ukraine crisis by the 25-member north atlantic treata organization formed at the end of world war ii seems remote. >> since nato is a consensus organization, there would have to be unanimous support for the entry of nato troops into ukraine, so i think that's off the table. noto member states can be providing certain kinds of military service. >> on sunday, a top adviser to president obama dismissed the idea of better arming the central government in kiev, saying it wouldn't change russia's calculus or stave off a broader invasion of ukraine. another proposal called for nato to deploy troops to the borders of the russian enclave that is home to russia's baltic fleet. >> nato shouldn't be taken lightly. 4 million people under arms and that's not counting the united states. with the united states, it's 5. -- it's over 5 million, and the fact of the matter is that russians have about 1 million under arm. >> such maneuvers would pose a greater provocation to regz president vladimir putin that the obama administration seems to want to enterta

>> if you're flying in the north atlantic, it's a couple of hours for sure before you're reaching radar. so it's a matter of hours. in this case, it might be a quick dead band between the range of the two radars at each location. i wouldn't worry too much about that. that is common in the system and there are ways to control that. >> it's news to a lot of us that are not pilots or faa chiefs of staff that there are times that people don't know about. >> they are just position reports every 15 minutes through a third party that communicates back to ground control. we don't have radar coverage over that part of the world. in the pacific, we have adsb, a satellite uplink down to the ground. there's a better tracking in the pacific ocean. it's where we want to go and we haven't put that infrastructure in yet. >> michael, knowing what you know about the air traffic controllers in cue all la lkual lumpur, did they do anything wrong? >> we don't know. we call it the graveyard shift but those folks are awake. there is not a lot of traffic and they should have known this. more significant, the d

. >> we might have discussed this last night, but in the north atlantic, it's required because of thehat's required for navigation. >> the heavy traffic. >> yeah, but there's what we call track systems. there's a lot of airplanes at night going to europe. so this is part of that system. so that is available. >> it was interesting just seeing the video in randi's piece, the black boxes are kept in water after they're found. can you explain why? >> if you have anything that's in saltwater and you take it out, you see those white crystals? so if the container is breached, you want to make sure it doesn't start getting that salt on it and oxidizing pieces inside. so you want to keep nit there so when you do take it out there in a controlled environment, you can control that corrosion. >> fascinating. we'll be right back. when does your work end? does it end after you've expanded your business? after your company's gone public? and the capital's been invested? or when your company's bought another? is it over after you've given back? you never stop achieving. that's why, at barclays, our a

they don't look at it routinely with satellites unlike the north atlantic and other regions, and we don't sea floor under this region. so the searchers are getting closer and we can hope there will be answers soon, but there's still a long way to go and a great deal of uncertainty. >> final question. given the level of uncertainty, of all places in the world this plane could have hit water, is this like the worst possible place? >> well, it gets worse as you go further south in this part of the world, that's for sure, but this is very challenging, so it could be farther from australia, even more difficult for the planes to reach there, it could be closer to antarctica and have worse currents. this is an extremely challenging environment and we have to be grateful of the service of searchers trying to close in on this and tell us what happened. >> absolutely. ian mcdonald, thank you so much for joining me. >>> coming up, why we haven't seen any satellite images from specifically the united states. we will talk to some experts about that. >>> also ahead, the absolute utter devastation, the

. >> it's 11 time zones wide, stretching from the pacific to the north atlantic, and quite a number of russia's neighbors as i just pointed out are now allied to us and the nato treaty calls under article five for the fact that an attack on one is an attack on all. those are pretty serious problems and if russia thinks it can continue the process of nibbling away at ukraine and maybe owe did he say is a next and transeastern republic, part of moldova, we could be in a very serious crisis. that will certainly get the president's attention if that happens. we need to change putin's calculation on his next step. >> to your point, the president took a shot at putin. let's listen to that. >> we have considerable influence on our neighbors. we generally don't need to invade them in order to have a strong cooperative relationship with them. >> does he have a point, that putin is operating out of weakness? >> my guess is putin doesn't think he's operating out of weakness and i don't think the polls and the lithuanians and ukrainians think he said acting out of weakness. i guess i don't see tha

flight -- >> between the united states and europe, it is required for planes to fly the busy north atlantic but it is not elsewhere in the world. >> miles, what lessons should we be learning from this? >> picking up on that, it's a lesson on how important it is for the regulatory bodies to really step up and force these issues. the airlines are not going to do it on their own, even $10 a flight, the airlines are -- it's such a close margin business. they are not going to spend it unless they have to, unless they mandate it. it's important that the regulators, faa, all these entities step up to the plate and realize that these are important things to react to. >> behind all of these lessons, of course, the tragedy of all of these families. >>> coming up next, she says may god have mercy on your souls and i will not forgive you. why the captain's daughter is furious at a british tabloid when "the lead" returns. [ children yelling ] [ telephone rings ] [ shirley ] edward jones. this is shirley speaking. how may i help you? oh hey, neill, how are you? how was the trip? [ male announcer ] with n

i don't think the word north atlantic treaty should exclude people, nations who want to join. a sovereign decision. it's a sovereign decision frankly of ukraine, but also of the members, the current members of nato. >> eiffel like we're just beginning this conversation. we're out of time tonight. we will all be at this table discussing it in it future. thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, chris christie is going to cpac tomorrow. the group that banned him from speaking last year, and in the rewrite tonight, hillary clinton has to rewrite hillary clinton. and next, the reporter on russian tv who quit live on the air because she opposes the russian invasion of ukraine. liz wall will join me next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ told ya you could do it. (dad vo) i want her to be safe. so, i taught her what i could and got her a subaru. (girl) piece of cake. ♪ (announcer) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. double agents? spy thriller? you don't know "aarp" thanks to the aarp tek program, this guy is spying on his new grandson. aarp tek gets people better connected to technology, to be

this is like a north atlantic gale 24/7. it's as bad as you can get. and the person who found the hms hood in the north sea, david merns, said this is as bad as it can get. the people who found 447, the air france 447, they say this search is far far more difficult. the positive side is we've learned a lot from the recovery of 447. and we're now deploying in fact the equipment that found 447. that hopefully will be on board a ship tomorrow and en route to where we think the initial crash was. of course what we're looking for now is debris in the water to confirm it was. what we really need to find is the actual crash site. and that's going to be just so much more difficult. >> gentlemen, stay with me. we've just referred to the u.s. navy seventh fleet sending a second p 8 poseidon aircraft to join the search. joining me is the commander of the uss blue ridge. he joins me on the telephone. can you hear me, sir? >> yes, piers, thanks for having me. just to clear up, i'm on board the command ship but we're currently in the western pacific. we're nowhere ne

in the north atlantic just every day there's hundreds of flights that go from new york or boston to europend back. there is a pretty big chunk of the atlantic ocean that there is no radar coverage. and we use other means to communicate. that flight boeing when they built the 777 put satellite communications on board the airplane. >> that's the acars system? >> right. well, it's more. acars on steroids, actually. because we've had acars on domestic airplanes and they don't have the reach, radio reach. so the technology has been moving forward to make sure that we can keep track of our airplanes. because it's less expensive to have the airplane tell you where it is than it is you try to build radar stations all around the world to spot the airplane. >> i want to ask you one other question which may be a dumb question, but it's on a lot of people's minds i know because people have been asking me about it all day long. people are asking, you can find a cell phone. you can track down a cell phone through satellites these days. would it be possible to do that on any of the passengers' cell phone

having worked out in the very, very rough north atlantic waters, i understand the boat operations are just -- at this point they're halted because there's just so -- you can't do anything really. there's no point. the machines that they're using, the acoustic sound waves as you said, it's a very sensitive issue putting anything in the water. first of all they can't, the conditions are very rough. but you're also going to have the issues of waves and wind that are going to disturb what would be a very accurate data reading, which is what they're trying to collect. so in as much as we are waiting, these teams are very professional. they understand that it would be futile to go out at this point and really work in the water. they're not going to get accurate sound readings. they're not going to get accurate data readings. and it is that hurry up and wait situation for them. >> christine, there's one thing i do want to ask you about, and it's something else i heard one of the experts in ocean debris mention. and that is that the debris field as the days move on gets bigger, which could be

the north atlantic treaty organization nato is supposed to be the bull work against oppression. funds 22% of nato's military budget far more than any other nation. afghanistan supplying 68% of nato troops. without us nato does not exist. with us nato pretty much does not exist. because it's powerless. as european governments time after time back away from confronting illegal international behavior. i hate to use cliche but the ukraine situation same old same old. and putin knows it and that's the memo. now for the top story tonight, reaction, joining for reaction, fox news analyst charles krauthammer. where am i going wrong here, charles? >> i think you have got a right talking about individual nations. i wouldn't blame nato as an institution because nato has one purpose, to defend its own countries against soviet and now russian aggression and that it's never been challenged but it did succeed 50 years. the russians never crossed the line into berlin. they never crossed the line into germany. the problem for nato is when it acts out of area. meaning in afghanistan or ukraine. r

as a safety >> this already exists on the north atlantic. is already being utilized and has to be utilized. of course, it's regulated, but it doesn't make sense to me that it would cost that much. >> i fly say across the atlantic. i can't use any wi-fi. but if i fly from new york to l.a. i can use wi-fi. there's still this, in my view, this view it may be damaging to the plane's radar system, but there's been no evidence of that. is it not time that we wi-fied all planes for this kind of thing, where if one passenger had been able to send a message to somebody? >> the technology is called adsb, which basically tracks airplanes by -- the airplane itself generating a signal. this is part of the next generation of air traffic control. so the technology is already there. you don't need wi-fi in other words. >> i'll tell you what, if i could swipe a card on the back of the seat and say i would like to have flight following and pay $5, i would do it. >> i could send an e-mail to somebody, we're in trouble, something has happened, there's a fire. i