iraq. it does not guarantee a regime will fall. it allows arms deliveries. >> is our interpretation that 1973, amended or overrode the prohibition of arms to anyone in libya so that there could be a legitimate transfer of arms. >> some rivals talked-about democracy. >> we have seen little bit of intelligence. >> they were authorized to protect the civilians not change the libyan regime. even though the bonds have done severe damage. there have been a lot of contradictions for anybody involved. they are starting a contact group. lancaster house. >> the foreign ministers claimed in an interview that rebel forces are losing ground every day. the fighters have government troops clashing. fighting has been concentrated. some of the heaviest clashes has been around the town. the fight, for the rebels, this was a rematch. they were driven from the town last night. today, they were on the offensive again. disorganized but determined. at the front line, we found them firing their heavy guns. pounding colonel gaddafi's forces with anti-tank

let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here in the lead i think iraq needed and wantedwell. we never got the says we're going to keep you safe get ready because you know the freedom. hey guys welcome michel ancel on the obama show with part of our guests not to sound the topics now i want to hear the audience has gone to you tube the video response card to twitter for part of a question that we post on you tube every monday and on thursday the show long response is currently normal it's a. few. feet in. length. it's. a lot of questions flying around out there right now we're guarding the military attacks on libya and rightly so there are no simple answers either no one word to describe what's going on except for that one word that no one seems to want to use war make no mistake about it despite the obama administration's attempts to call this a limited humanitarian intervention or journalists that are carefully labeling it as simply a military operation this is a war if you choose a side you start dropping bombs the result of which ultimately are death and destruction b

president obama wanted to make sure that libya was not iraq and make sure that he is not president george bush of bill clinton. tonight, his goal was simple. to explain to the public spentics what about he has done in libya. >> what we have done what we plan to do and why it matters to us. >> reporter: it's been ten years since mr. obama ordered forces into combat in libya. nearly 200 tomahawk cruise missiles launched and air strikes. and the president wants to show that the u.s. role will be brief and limited. >> the united states and the world faced a choice. gadhafi declared he could share no mercy to his people. he compared them to rats and threatened to go door to door to inflict punishment. >> reporter: it was moammar gadhafi, obama said, what was the main reason for war. he was able to launch a massacre of his own people. >> it was not in our best interest to let that happen. i refused that let that happen. >> reporter: so the attack again. what is it in the interest of the united states to go to war in libya? robert gates, obama's own secretary of defense, complicated problems for

to equate what he regards as a smaller time limited mission with iraq and afghanistan i know it's not iraqor afghanistan but that doesn't mean it's not a war you know it's not iraq or afghanistan but that doesn't mean that we should look to the two conflicts that we've been boiled ourselves in as cautionary tales for what could happen in libya if anything we should know by now that war is rarely quick or easy and those who consider themselves generally anti-war but support military intervention in libya under the guise of humanitarianism i think you need to take a deeper look nobody wants to see innocent civilians killed but opposing this war does not mean that you're choosing to let them die if this was solely a humanitarian mission to protect innocent lives then we'd be intervening in yemen and bahrain in syria in the ivory coast and that's just to name a few if it were so cut and dry we wouldn't see the world divided on whether or not to support it and. is divided russia china germany the african union these countries are not on board and no matter who ultimately takes command from this

this is not iraq. this is not what has happened in the past. this is about a much more multi-lateral fair future where the arab states are asking us to do with them what we're currently engaged in. >> do you have a clear vision of a libya that you want to see? >> that is for the libyan people to have that vision to, have that view. but i think it's hugely encouraging that today here in london, the interim transitional national council are actually publishing their plan for a democratic libya. >> is there any guarantee that libya will not disintegrate into a situation similar to that of somalia or afghanistan or eventually iraq even? >> i very much hope that won't happen. i don't believe it should happen. what i see is just that, an organization that wants to only be there for the interim. it wants a transition to a democratic libya, and above all, it wants a national libya. none of us want to see a libya divided. we want a whole libya. >> you're watching "bbc news." the headlines for you. president obama has said the libyan leader colonel gadda

wants to predict the situation he will not be able to do that and what would this mean for iran not iraq not only. for iran to my mind it's a very important time after the over throw of the regime of saddam hussein iraq has become of the strongest nation in the greater middle east and islamic world after that this position was challenged by the changing views of turkish government took it demanded that it wants to be the strongest nation at least in the sunni world or in the greater middle east as a whole and now iran is seeing of the some arab countries after the change of the regimes after the more than a decision when those countries can see in will we are arab leaders and we are leaders of islamic world and i think that there will be a very serious distributing islamic world as a whole not only including iran to the arab states but also including pakistan malaysia indonesia and india which is which has the biggest muslim population in asia in your opinion when the dust settles what power shift look like where he said examine it for a sentimentalist. well there will be elections i don

. >> most important for him he needs to leave the country with a message that this is not iraq or afghanistan not a third full-blown war in a muslim country the kind his own defense secretary said a president would have to have his head examined if he got involved. >> ifill: it has only been ten days since the first bombs began to fall in libya in an effort to make this coalition work. how much has the president and his administration gotten themselves together? you ask this question later. because here is the president of the united states. >> tonight i'd like to update the american people on the international effort that we have led in libya. what we've done, what we plan to do and why this matters to us. i want to begin by paying tribute to our men and women in uniform. who once again have acted with courage, professionalism, and patriotism. they have moved with incredible speed and strength. because of them, and our dedicated diplomats, a coalition has been forged and countless lives have been saved. meanwhile as we speak, our troops are supporting our ally japan, leaving iraq to its peop

them puppet government which is still ruling through an american military occupation of iraq really there is not the current of help. revolutionary through the middle east need and american and european government shouldn't look for backing at home either to a million marched in london even the invasion of iraq in two thousand and three and times have changed this is now austerity britain where starting another war wasn't factored into the budget british troops are already fighting an unpopular war in afghanistan it's highly unlikely the public has the appetite for again getting involved in someone else's struggle battling as they are at home in the face of deep cuts and rising unemployment and it's unlikely to be popular inside this building the ministry of defense has to slash spending by more than seven and a half billion dollars in the next four years it's an intervention britain would find hard to afford on many levels. of the discuss the possible military intervention in libya when outlined by dr franklin the deal. of americans that's in the least at peace talks lie many facets being with

as you know, i did not support the 2003 iraq war. i thought that was a war of choice and a bad one. secondly, while i supported the original decision after 9/11 to go into afghanistan and remove the taliban, i do not support what we have decided to do over the past two years, which is triple our military footprint in the country and to essentially become a protagonist in afghanistan's, the war against the taliban. most recently as i expect you know, i do not support the decision to initiate a no-fly zone or a no-fly zone plus in libya. essentially now we have become involved in another war of choice. in this case, we become a protagonist supporting the opposition in libya's civil war. tavis: you have just laid out your reasons why you are opposed to it. the obama administration sees it differently, obviously. the line out of the white house today is that a humanitarian crisis has been averted because we got involved. that's what they would say to you, richard haass. >> i know that argument. i can't role history back. of course, it's conceivable that that's the case, but i simply don'

you know libya is not iraq neither by population or probably power or by influence in the region he has not been a thorn in the side of israel our policy is based largely on what suits israel so don was a big problem for israel that's why we went in there i think you know there's always similarities about wanting to get their hands on the oil and money influence over them libya has been stable and the europeans can have a role there and certainly the arab league should this is a tremendous opportunity for the arab league to follow up on their declaration that they don't want intervention and to try to solve this among themselves to send a delegation over there and let them show that they're worth is something because in many people's eyes are pretty. weak force so i predict the arab league will get more involved i think the americans may assassinate khadafi either through drones and they've got plenty of drones on both of those ships and if they can find him and try to engineer a quick who. and then withdraw i don't think it's in america's interest or the american people would accept ye

not the leader of this? >> okay, i think no one wanted to see iraq revisited or not afghanistan, too. this is why it was very important in the resolution to make it clear that no one is talking or would like to see any form of occupation in any part of iraq. and this was not for intervention. it was for something coming as a-- at the request of the arab league and of the libians themselves. and i think these are very important elements-- >> the arab league was-- i think without it we wouldn't get the resolution. >> let me add something if i may. the libians, the arab league called for it. the other game changes they are going to have a significant arab participation in carrying out this resolution, which would enhance its legitimacy. >> rose: what about this scenario, having this resolution in place, saudi troops, troops from the emirates attack people in the streets, will the united nations come to their defense? >> we are talking libya? >> rose: no, we're now talking about bahrain. i mean, i'm serious, though, that is the dilemma, is it not? >> of course. un, a lot of people are sayi

and all of a sudden folks at the pentagon realized that the iraq war was not going very well and they might need some extra troops in there. so these guys were very suddenly called up from korea and sent to the worst part of iraq at the time. they were in what's called the sunni triangle, right between ramadi in falluja. so i'm just going to tell you a few, i have a few vocabulary words here that i had to learn a whole language was talking to these guys. one of them, the active duty folks here will know, i refer to something called saw. not something you cut down trees with. it stands for squad automatic weapon. essentially like a medium-size machine gun that soldiers carried. i'm also going to refer to something called -- this is a four lane i would just like an interstate that connected ramadi and baghdad. and it was this italian job to do highway patrol there. but highway patrol there was so full of firefights and burnt out cars pushed to the side of the road that they quickly renamed it can make all the operation mad max after the '80s movie. they need all their operations after o

iraq. this will not have been in iraq. iraqis are because of their history, because of the fact they have lived for ever, for thousands of years as a pluralist society, will never be comfortable, they will never tolerate going back to a form of dictatorship such as the one which they suffered from under saddam hussein. i believe we have turned the corner in that sense. we'll also managed to resolve and old problem which is the relationship between arabs and kurds. constituting a country on a federal basis -- the kurds in iraq have their region. they run it themselves with considerable autonomy, some might say too much. but we are proud of that. we believe that the kurds in iraq have fare far better than the kurds in our neighboring countries. we are not in the business of exporting our system, but we are happy with what we have done for our countrymen. that is an important achievement. there are conflicts between regional governments and the federal government. but at least there is a consensus that these differences shoul

and all of a sudden they realize the iraq war was not going very well. and so these guys are suddenly called out to the worst part of iraq at the time. they were and what is called the sunni triangle rate between her body and falluja. so i'm just going to tell you i have a few vocab words here and i had to learn a whole language when talking to these guys. one of them come in to active duty is your who will know. i refer to something called a saw. it's essentially like a medium-sized machine gun that soldiers carry. i'm also going to refer to something as a four lane highway just like an interstate that connected ramani and baghdad and it was the battalion's job to do highway patrol there. but highway patrol there was so full of firefights and burned-out cars pushed the side of the road that they quickly renamed it operation madman after the 80s movie. they named all their operations after old 80s movies. so i'm going to read to you a particularly bad day on mad math and then i'm going to briefly explain kind of echoed throughout time. and excuse me for u

not iraq and the un energy watchdog monitors that the entire facility is under the full oversight of the agency and this guarantees not only technical safety protection subsides because he would say. well as the situation continues to worsen by the day people feel that it really brings into the foreground the the realisation that that mankind. is monthly in control when it comes to technology and that technology being impacted upon by the forces of nature and we can now hear reports from my colleagues alexey other chefs he is in ukraine. it was a failed experiment that led to history's biggest nuclear disaster in april one thousand nine hundred six the chernobyl reactor exploded as a result of the wrong individuals being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the. they had very poor knowledge of the physics of the reactor they knew the manual and want to push without it they knew nothing of the reactor physics the personnel drove the reactor into a state it was out of control while the authorities clearly knew who to blame for the fall out even the soviet union's top scientists were

many people say iraq is the cradle of civilization. they do not realize how much it has contributed to civilization. the first ever states of an organized society has regulations. writing was invented in iraq. the first time human beings have their activities they did that. we had the first ever school with teacher/didn't relation -- teacher/student relationships and a timetable for graduation. let me take one more example. let's take the concept of a week. it is really a arbitrary. the month we understand. the year is obvious. they first discovered or recognized that a week is good for people to take care of family chores. this was long before they establish this. this was the pattern of life. we take it for granted. it was actually adopted. our contribution to civilization was more than what they recognized. i measure this to illustrate how much they contributed to modern civilization. that continued. it is referred to as the dark ages. baghdad was the center. they did not have the united states. people now take their kids to harvard and london.

we saw the arab league said this is not really what we signed up for so it also raises the specter of those dreaded words regime change which brings up shades of iraq with not very many people in this country the general feeling would be that we that this country would not tolerate another iraq like situation so the government is being urged by factions inside it to stick religiously to the terms of this u.n. security council resolution to avoid this mission creep and to avoid this sort of open ended commitment to having military intervention in the region but it seems that with this reinterpretation of what the resolution actually means it's kind of playing with the words the government isn't actually doing that and doesn't look like it will politically. told me the u.k. is no longer capable of conducting military campaign. the arab league's position is has been very strange to say the least if it wasn't for the arab league arguably brazil russia india china and germany could have used the veto but in the face of the arab league being these powers to not use their veto these powers could only but abstain now for the arab league to criticize what i

. >> most important for him he needs to leave the country with a message that this is not iraq or afghanistan not a third full-blown war in a muslim country the kind his own defense secretary said a president would have to have his head examined if he got involved. >> ifill: it has only been ten days since the first bombs began to fall in libya in an effort to make this coalition work. how much has the president and his administration gotten themselves together? you ask this question later. because here is the president of the united states. >> tonight i'd like to update the american people on the international effort that we have led in libya. what we've done, what we plan to do and why this matters to us. i want to begin by paying tribute to our men and women in uniform. who once again have acted with courage, professionalism, and patriotism. they have moved with incredible speed and strength. because of them, and our dedicated diplomats, a coalition has been forged and countless lives have been saved. meanwhile as we speak, our troops are supporting our ally japan, leaving iraq to its peop

many people say iraq is the cradle of civilization. they do not realize how much it has contributed to civilization. the first ever states of an organized society has regulations. writing was invented in iraq. the first time human beings have their activities they did that. we had the first ever school with teacher/didn't relation -- teacher/student relationships and a timetable for graduation. let me take one more example. let's take the concept of a week. it is really a arbitrary. the month we understand. the year is obvious. they first discovered or recognized that a week is good for people to take care of family chores. this was long before they establish this. this was the pattern of life. we take it for granted. it was actually adopted. our contribution to civilization was more than what they recognized. i measure this to illustrate how much they contributed to modern civilization. that continued. it is referred to as the dark ages. baghdad was the center. they did not have the united states. people now take their kids to harvard and london.

when i took command of the central command coming out of iraq in 2008 and public debt afghanistan in a deliberate manner, it was clear that we did not have the organizations in place necessary to carry out a counterinsurgency campaign. we learned what we needed to do in iraq and some other is or zero examples. we were not staffed. we did not have the resources. since then, we have added some 87,000 native troop contributing nations. we have shriveled additional funding for afghan security forces and so forth. we did not have all the concepts of right. we did not have a reintegration strategy. we did not have a capital -- tactical director to reduce civilian casualties. the conceptual underpinnings for the kind of campaign we needed to conduct. the bottom line is that to achieve our core objectives -- in afghanistan, it does not have a chance national extremists sanctuary. there's only one way to do that and that was developed afghanistan develop the capability to secure and govern itself to an adequate degree. we're not trying to turn the country into switzerland in 10 years or less. the only way to do that is to carry out a compreh

we saw the arab league said this is not really what we signed up for so it also raises the specter of those dreaded words regime change which brings up shades of iraq not very many people in this country the general feeling would be that the this country would not tolerate another iraq like situation so the government is being urged by factions inside it to stick religiously to the terms of this u.n. security council resolution to avoid this mission creep and to avoid this sort of at least one ended commitment to having military intervention in the region but it seems that with this reinterpretation of what the resolution actually means it's kind of playing with the words the government isn't actually doing that and doesn't look like it will. well india has condemned the invasion of libya by the new coalition saying that not enough time was devoted to a peaceful revolution a resolution i say. brought off the latest reaction from. the minister of external affairs did say that he believes that airstrikes would be counterproductive and actually harm innocent civilians foreigners and diplomats. you can watch the full reporting get statements on the sit

it was not an easy thing to do to speak out about iraq. the time, president bush's approval rating was 80%. morley, that call for courage. -- morally, that called for courage. either you serve the country and play the ball and not the man or you game this out. most people game it out. that is different than the real world. part of the disconnect is that most people in washington have a very secure livelihood and most americans don't. >> if you are a viewer and you watch thinktank sessions on this network, what would you advise people to do? >> differentiate between when they describe things as opposed to actually save them. we all agree that america is not as powerful as it was in 1945. the soviet union does not exist anymore. people have taken these platitudes in descriptive ways. be suspicious of what they are saying. because we live in a multipolar world, america should shift part reform policy to do these things. the more specific people are, the more interesting work they do. these platitudes keep you going. you are not serving yourse

whole scary world is coming out let's talk about it and the implications i'm talking about you not to iraq i'm. not proud socialist i don't even guess what it's not illegal in the united states only let me get in here and it's not illegal to have an alternative station in the united states brian well i decided to illegally disappear just calling things by their really frightening religious profiling and racial profiling is unconstitutional it's illegal it's discriminatory it's bad it's good politics are you guys i want to talk about you are wrong like this hearing will lead to some of the impacts that this hearing could have not just what's coming out of it not just sort of the subject matter on the agenda but the implications long term brian what are your concerns i think what's going to happen is you're going to take a lot of people in the united states who get the message from the government from high elected officials it's ok to target people not for what they've done but for who they are what they believe in another words targeting arab americans and muslims who have already been subj

i agree with john that it's a much better situation, iraq, than it was a few years ago, but still a transition country. we should notorget tignore it, because they're-- there is corruption, a lack of services. but, again, as john said, iraq has the resources that, if managed well, to emerge as a very prosperous country and play a positive role in the region. >> rose: with its own kind of democracy. >> exactly. each of these countries when they become democratic will have its own kind of democracies. but these changes, there's the potential for a very positive transformation but also the changes have the potential for negative conflict, including regional wars. we have talked about bahrain. it could become a saudi arabian area of not only rivalry but conflict. >> rose: the majority of shiites were put into a comfort zone with iran. so i have come to the easy question-- what about afghanistan? >> it's a headache. when i think about afghanistan i always have a difficult time thinking my way through the entire situation. the first thing that really worries me is the pakistan situation. we've been over that many, many ti

this is not iraq or lebanon or bosnia. we have to use the right judgment to get our response correct. that is what the governor is determined to do, and to take as many people with us as possible. >> may i thank the prime minister for his singular service over the last few weeks? will he join with me in paying tribute to those who will render an even greater service, those young men and women whose -- on his courage and training will have to rely? >> he is absolutely right to nannette point. it is not -- to make that point. it is not the people who make the decisions that have the difficult path ahead. it is those that have to carry out those decisions. we should be incredibly proud of our armed forces and their courage and dedication ability to take on this mission. we should never taken for granted or ask them to do things that they cannot complete. but i have full confidence that they will perform magnificently, as they always do. >> manar i have my voice -- may i add my voice to the congratulations? can the prime minis

look we whether or not we can win in iraq or afghanistan is not the point the point is a private in the army is not. charged with releasing that information there's been and the damage goes well beyond just what he released about iraq and afghanistan i keep going back to the damaging information he released on the part on the king of yemen who has been working with us and one of the most damaging cable was you keep killing al qaeda and i'll keep taking credit for it because of course in the muslim world everything has to have a. face on it and he's been taking credit for us killing al qaeda in yemen and now he's been outed he's going to be a target for of al qaeda he's going to be a target of terrorist organizations muslim brotherhood throughout the middle east because of this idiot manning now i know i've been stuck in the studio for a while but was he manning was actually charged i mean you knew there was those part of the information that he put in the lady gaga allegedly put out here in the city doesn't this get to the bigger i said it waiting doesn't it get to the bigger issue whic

iraq. the result. but not every country is getting that treatment and libya is not the only african nation in turmoil somalia is drop out conflict has been called a slow genocide but there's little sign of us or european military inputs and it's a similar story on the other side of the continent there are events unfold. right now in ivory coast where there is also conflict an armed conflict between rebels and the government but nobody seems to be thinking about it it's only because fashionable attention is focused on libya all but also for the political implications of the middle east as a whole as we all know the west including my own country has got its hands very dirty with the libyan leadership over recent years. with black gold libya has the largest proven oil reserves in africa more than three percent of the global total and there could be a lot more undiscovered the only reason they're interested in. your oil here anybody screaming and yelling about all those people they were killed in the ivory coast.

many people in this country the general feeling would be that we that this country would not tolerate another iraq like situation. now india has flat out refused to support the invasion of the go by the new coalition saying not enough time was devoted to a peaceful resolution and certain cultures jump the gun to ensure advances advances stages i should say regime change our senior correspondent previously there is in india you can watch her reports on our website r.t. dot com. india has come out and said that it strongly disapproves of the airstrikes that are going on in a libya be able leave the main reason that the united states is interested in libya is for oil and they said that to support any sort of sanctions you are sponsored sanctions or airstrikes would essentially be promoting imperialism and they don't want to have anything to do with that and you can find continuing coverage of the christ and move beyond our website r t. well as the allied bombing of libya enters day three americans getting involved in another long term war will ruin its economy that's the opinion of well chairman of t

we saw the arab league said this is not really what we signed up for so it also raises the specter of those dreaded words regime change which brings up shades of iraq with not very many people in this country the general feeling would be that the country would not tolerate another iraq like situation so the government is being urged by factions inside it to stick religiously to the terms of this u.n. security council resolution to avoid this mission creep and to avoid this sort of open ended commitment to having military intervention in the region but it seems that with this reinterpretation of what the resolution actually means it's kind of playing with the words the government isn't actually doing that and doesn't look like it will. well india has flat out refused to support the invasion of the private new coalition saying not enough time was devoted to a peaceful resolution as artie's previous streeter reports it sounds like certain countries jumped the gun comments or adventism regime change. and they felt it to support any sort of being stand or air strikes would eventually be promoting imperialism and they don't want to have anything if you w

>> i noticed you did not bring in the example of iraq. i think it is always wise to leave it out. it does animate people in ways one is not always happy about. on the other hand, it is hard to escape it. setting aside in 1991 uprising and the mistakes, we did end up in a situation where we have a divided country. the u.n. partially administered the north. savant administered the south. we had -- someaddam administered the south. there was a coalition that may be difficult to reconstitute. i doubt on lot of the original powers would let us fly in and out on an endless basis. then there is the question of arms and the opposition. we were on different sides of the debate at the time. i do not think anyone would disagree that it was a much more serious opposition. we can have that right afterwards. -- we can have that right afterwards. laying out plan b allows gaddafi -- let's not forget who gaddafi is. chemical program, nuclear program, support for terrorism the pan am 1 03 flight. it seems that when you begin to pick at it, it unravels completely. >> i am glad you reminded me of iraq

tell us what he calls in the leader the leader of the libyan revolution he said he was not really the leader of iraq joe not you know one of the history that was going to interests and after the putsch he was gone and there were some other. people who were so strange people from libya told us who. he would be book of all. the revolution those other guys who are leading all the ocean but he's would not the police it of this situation and would become so he wasn't the lead he was one of the people he was next who was like a stalin during october all national. who would become prayer as a stalin was practically nobody through during the concrete revolutionary day you know that's something close later they managed to rewrite their yes so history was . written all over but in in two thousand there may be a little bit later the worst change its attitude and the image of cathy improved dramatically in the west he was he was even less his thoughts you clear a program and he also the no any aggressive plans he says he were to. proclaim it he started to build new libyan contacts with the west world and on thi

you don't know which way you're just you're silly we're not leaving afghanistan we're not leaving iraq and we will have permanent presence inside of libya as well to the president and i hear a shake there doesn't seem to me i haven't seen any real clear evidence that we're truly leaving anywhere i heard i last point. just because you heard there's a middle ground and said it on television. but it's very quickly go back to earlier we're talking about violence right now in bahrain and yemen and syria places that are of far greater importance you could argue to the united states now we already have certain people alike. senator joe lieberman saying that we should go into syria and we should intervene there to do so if we start hearing these words you know start to be from the lieberman is the mccain's of the world then i read this going to start intervening everywhere real quick on this the neoconservatives lieberman's and mccain's they are. out there slowly and surely finding you to be able useless in terms of foreign policy syria is in a really bad situation we've got shiites moving int

to do what we did was not an easy thing to do, to speak out about iraq planning not going well. at the time, remember, president bush's approval was 80%. it's easy to speak out now. thank you at the time that called for courage. and i had to be quiet and agree with him. either you serve the country and plate ball and not the ban -- man or you game all this out. most people game all this out because they have a livelihood and families, i totally understand that and they'll have a lovely life if they say nothing. part pve the disconnect is that most people in washington have a very, very secure livelihood and most americans don't. brian: so if you're a viewer out there and you watch a lot of think tank sessions on this network, what would you advise people to do >> differentiate in things they actually say. we all agree america is not as powerful as in 1945, the soviet union doesn't exist any more. people who speak in these platitudes, regardless of party, very suspicious. if people say because we live in a multicultural world and america should change the policy to do these thing

obsessed with iraq iraq if we had gone to war smiley and ninety was because you are the holder nearly america that of course i am. talking about i remember what you were on that are not crimes in iraq i mean our coverage i'm going to get afghanistan as well just look at live pictures now not cover afghanistan today off u.s. soldiers killing thousands of innocent that gun is not and this is a demagogue who wrote this it was sort of we're here to talk about libya you want to do a show next week about iraq fine well we're here to talk about libya i don't care about intel we're doing the show about u.s. policy ok brad i'd like to call you when you think we should we are going to go to you and watch in washington brad. what is it you think that the united states is trying to get on the right side of history here i'm not sure it's doing the right thing but i mean considering its long term backing of ben ali and we had mubarak and whatnot i mean the united states is trying to find its footing here and how we should treat a very radically changing environment in north africa right now which again i think most of us would agree with it's the right trends here but is the u.s.

what happens in afghanistan and iraq and i certainly just start and it's not rationed eckstein. it's not going to also it seems less ability . you could have. possibly reporting there whether coalition decision to take military action in libya is being made under the premise of a humanitarian mission but globalization and this. as a heavy artillery suggests a very different agenda. because no humanitarian operation. is a deadly wall it using a military material and just say that this is to save the lives of civilians since when do these fighter bombers and save the lives of civilians. a war which has the jets of regime change this of course was not mentioned in the security council resolution but prime minister stephen harper of canada and i'm following the canadian responses has stated that the objective of this operation is to unseat capacity so that the whole humanitarian underpinnings of this war becoming entirely clear aspect is that in fact this military coalition has already reply elated to. the resolution which they themselves are pulls on the so-called international com

other states on a scale not seen since the iraq war. twenty million defense targets have been hit in the west of the country by more than one hundred missiles from american and british ships and submarines coated our feet gave a brief statement saying the beans will confront what he called the attacks on clear new crusader calling for an urgent security council meeting to discuss the getting to seal the operation international action followed the un's resolution to allow the enforcement of a no fly zone over libya to stop bloodshed on the ground. and russia along with china and so on that there are countries disagree with the decision by western nations to start going to york racial regional nato said return the day regards will join in the strikes on. what president obama is promising not to deploy american ground forces in libya this it's absolutely necessary he said america's role would be limited in support of the international efforts to protect libyans from colonel gadhafi but for some of there's a real worry that it echoes the u.

we are not talking about iraq. they shift the subject. every time. second they ignore the facts. facts. nearly $1 trillion in spending has not turned this economy around, then they are ignoring the fact that spending has failed. we cannot spend our way to prosperity. we must grow our way to prosperity with a direct stimulus by allowing workers to keep more money in their paychecks, allowing businesses to keep more of their money on their sheets come and get government out of the way to stop overtaxing us so we can stimulate the economy. that is a direct stimulus. not in direct stimulus. they ignore the facts. president obama sold the american people, at least the did not sell all of us, on the stimulus spending by saying a lot of it would be used for "schaeuble-ready projects." -- "shovel ready projects." one and a half years later he says there is no such thing. how stupid does he think we are? we are not that stupid. it is an insult to the american people. they ignore the facts. unemployment is going to come down below 8%. no, it has not. the economy is going to recover. no, it

not do this, we tend to isolate ourselves. we think we are isolating them, but we are isolating ourselves. just look at iran and syria. they are on either side of iraq. a very, very difficult struggle, and we are not talking to their neighbors. tavis: and yet, all of the distinguished persons on the iraq steady group, and i am told that they talked to you, on that commission -- on the iraq study group, the first thing that was said eventually it was not talking to iran and syria. >> i hope he will change his mind on that. that is one thing about presidents. they can tomorrow change their minds. i hope they can find some way to talk to iran and syria, because i think it is very important to get a solution to this problem. tavis: what is the value in trying to advance the value of peace or whatever the object would be, what would be the object of icing someone, of not talking to them? >> i think president bush says we will not talk to them unless they make a concession on a basic issue, and that seems to be going against human nature, but that is going on all around the world. for example, he has declined to talk face-to-face, one on one, with the ira