support including the nsa baby.rucial.ly support was >> you started looking into how did this relationship originate. how did this organization that operated on a world stage for 20 funded almost from the start by the cia. >> i thought logically the story had to start in 1947. that is when the cia was founded in the nsa was founded. for three years i tried to fit square pegs into round holes and i could not make -- there were these hidden hands in the story. i had to make the decision to bring the clock back until i found all of those hidden hands. the sheer number will stagger you read it ranges from intelligence veterans to liberals, to the state department, to intelligence agencies, to the vatican and so forth. all played a role. why they did so is a complicated story. i would say it was a time when nsa was founded that half of all students will return to veterans. it is far more important, the numbers dedicated to forming nsa who were intelligence veterans. -- forl work from the the same agency. what i can say i

karen: nsa took the public brunt. most of the other organizations and institutions denied -- kind of tried to tough it out. to this day, some of the archives are classified. so there is a limited amount of research on the labor operation, which was massive and huge. because of the exposure, most organizations and institutions lost their funding. there are often institutions and organizations in you think have absolutely nothing to do with it, and then all of a sudden, stocktontockton 1967, 1968, and you go and take a closer look. the big consequence for nsa was, in the short-term, it grew very radical, and students rallied around it. but, they could not do any international work. they were absolutely suspect. and that was true decades later. to this day, i do not believe that they do international work. and if they do, it is very limited. >> wait. wait for the microphone. >> what's the title of the book you're doing? karen: yes. the title is "my doing," and it almost took me the whole 15 years to get the title. i was

morris from the nsa. >> mr. chairman, ranking member and members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity to speak with you today about fisa amendments act and specifically section 702 which is a critical national security authority. section 702 may only be used by the intelligence community to target foreign persons located outside the united states. my name is paul morris. i am nsa's deputy counsel for. operations. i've been with the intelligence community for almost 30 years and have been involved with the nsa's implementation of 702 since the law was passed. every day i have the opportunity to see the importance of section 702 to the united states national security. i also participate in the robust oversight regime that governs section 702. it's those two subjects that i would like to speak with you about briefly today. section 702 is one of the most valuable operational authorities the intelligence community has. it is responsible for thousands of intelligence reports per year. here are three brief

he is the debbie counsel for operations at nsa. he oversees the agencies practice groups for legislation, intelligence all, and information assurance and cyber security. mr. morris received his bachelor degree from the university of maryland and his law degree in george washington university. would you please start, mr. brooker? if you have longer statements, they will be put in the record. when the red light comes on, try to summarize as best you can to finish shortly thereafter. proceed. chairman grassley mr. brooker: , we all want to thank you for holding this hearing and having us today. as you know, intelligence election has produced and continues to produce significant intelligence that is vital to protect the nation, whether that be from counterterrorism or cyber threats. the same time, it reboots -- provides protection of civil liberties of our citizens. it is the intelligence community's top priority. i want to give an example of section 702. before rising to the ranks to become second in the race of isis, he was a teacher

not at this level of an nsa report. that document contains an american name spelled out and that says to experienced people that work with this stuff that what we got is forged. it is fake. which is interesting if you work on this show. this is news. because why is someone shopping a forged document of this kind to news organizations covering the trump-russia affair. last week three journalists resigned from their jobs at cnn after that network retracted a story that he had written about the trump administration related to the trump russia affair. cnn said the sourcing of that story in retrospect did not meet the editorial standards. also last week. vice retracted two stories about the trump administration. like cnn, vice also cited problems with the sourcing of that stories. the thing that is not knocking around in the back of your mind right now is from 2004, when the legendary dan rather lost his career at cbs over a story for the evening news that delved into george w. bush's truncated service at the national guard

a source, because they wanted the nsa to validate it. to comment on whether or not this document they had received was real. in that document, which we have access to, because they published it online, when they published their story, in that document, along the plainly visible text and flow chart and even the redactions and everything, alongside all of that, was also this barely visible fingerprint from the printer it was printed on. the fingerprint is basically a series of light, almost invisible yellow printed dots. unless you were looking for them, you would never notice them just by reading the document. but if you run the page through like an image software, do a little magic reversing, the colors, in this case a little brightening so you can see them on your tv, up pops if you're looking for it a readable specific grid of these little dots. and that grid of those little dots is basically a fingerprint. and it tells you which exact printer was used to print off that page. it tells you the model number, it tells you the serial numbe

this is the nsa document published by the intercept. you see the little dots in that specific pattern in rels to the piece of text that we uncovered there. it's on one of the pages that the intercept covered. now watch, i'm going to show you that same pattern of dots expect this ti -- expect this time it's from a different document. as you can see, it's the same pattern of dots, the top half of the pattern. but what i'm showing you here, this is not the document published by the intercept. this is from the document that somebody sent us throw with www.send it to rachel.com. that same pattern of dots, the supper portion of it exactly appeared on the supposed nsa document that somebody sent to us anonymously. again, you see it here in the intercept document with the dots by the word summary. the same dots, the top part of the pattern appear magic by the word summary in the document that we got. it's not all of the dots. just the ones that appear to have slipped through in a photocopy cut and paste job. this is what it appears to us. a cut

connectionin the back to the nsa and eternal blue. as you know, the nsa was hacked, the information was leaked through a group called shadow brokers. they have released it and created what they call the hack of the month club, where they s.e selling exploit these are nsa hacking tools. they were compiling vulnerabilities. anytime they found a vulnerability they would compile it, keep it, think of ways to weaponize it. unfortunately it leak and a got out there on the web and a lot of different organizations and individuals got their hands on it. so, you could i at in use it. what was interesting was the folks that tweaked and weaponize that further are asking for a piece of the action. i believe it's an 85:15 split. this is really ransomware as business model now. host: congress, certainly taking notice. here's statements last week from my firsta, saying -- and urgent request is that if the nsa knows how to stop this global malware attack or has information to help stop the attack, the nsa should immediately disclose it. if they have a

the nsa has an incredible capacity to turn things into engineering problems.knowledge about who we are is constructed on who it refers to as the quote, small patterns of data. or what political theorist even colbert wouldcall patterns of correlation . the nsa's algorithmic terrorists doesn't replace the concept of terrorists but adds on to another layer. the family of a terrorist must include its cousins. >> now i also want us to think about something that really impacted me when i was doing my research, this is early on. i'm always taken by just the culture, that is not intended to be used for critical purposes. so in one example, i'm going to show you a recruiting video, the microsoft produced in order to let people know how in the late 90s, but it's the use of interesting sent in this kind of mantra of inside us there is a code so we'regoing to watch this 2 and a half minute video and i want to read something about it and we will have time for questions. >> . >> inside us all there is a code. >> a code that represents what we are but who we might become. it

we will also talk about what is happening with nsa whistleblower reality winner. stay with us. ♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. we are speaking with glenn greenwald for the hr. nermeen: the white house remains in crisis mode following revelations that donald trump's own son openly embraced an apparent effort by the russian government to peddle information incriminating or clinton in an attempt to help trump when the presidency. emails showed trump junior was told russia wanted to share incriminating information about the clinton as "part of russia and its government support for mr. trump." trump junior replied -- "if it is what you say, i love it, especially later in the summer." receiving the imo last june, trump junior, along with jared kushner and paul manafort, met with someone described to them as a "russian government attorney." remained secret until kushner mentioned it on a revised security clearance form. amy: in an interview with reuters, president trump's defend

that is from the same presumption of the caucasian that the nsa and knows the terrorist but they don't. but despite this facebook gentility will have more herb behavior than any other they will block your potential but not in the way the microsoft wants you to believe. it wants you to believe that it is hard coded your system trust me you don't. with one brief look wilted -- liggett that terrifying competence but it doesn't block the ability to make your life useful purpose imagined a world where it keeps the world's information but also controls that this is the problem that we encounter. not in the way people talk about it. public libraries aren't losing funding in their heavily protecting copyrights that is one kind of privatization but to have that ability to figure what is facebook appropriate. that is my day presentation i will recycle some images is on automatic from the book i will take questions. [applause] . .

olsen also served general counsel, nsa, focusing on surveillance, law and cyber security. under the bush administration, mr. olsen served as acting assistant attorney general, national security division, doj, mr. olsen also served as executive director of guantanamo task force, special counsel director of the fbi, and served as federal prosecutor for more than a decade. he's a graduate of the university of virginia and harvard law school. adam klein is robert m. gates senior fellow center for new american security, widely published in areas of national security, surveillance, counterterrorism law and policy. he was previously an attorney at international law firm and also worked on national security policy at rand corporation in the 9/11 public discourse project, the nonprofit successor to the 9/11 commission. mr. klein served as the law clerk for justice scalia and is and graduate of northwestern university and columbus -- columbia law school. elizabeth goiteen is of the liberty and national security program, the new york school of law, previously miss goitein served as c

kennedy: before the break i candidate how many phone records did the nsa connect in 2016.ut that was after a clampdown. a membership oh shows they violated our privacy and the law for years during the obama administration by using unauthorized spying to obtain intelligence on american citizens. they failed to meet their own legal obligation to delete the improperly intercepted communications. how did president trump allow this to go on and how many of us have information sitting in files at the nsa? think was happening under the obama administration, as a candidate, he ran in 2008 as someone who was eager to defend civil liberties during the bush administration. what happened? >> there are 1 or 2 campaign promises president trump didn't fulfill and plenty he did we didn't want him to fulfill. the nsa and military agencies are part of the federal government the say government that brings you the post office. but here it's invasions of our privacy because of mistakes and vie layings of the law that's laid out for them. kennedy: i don't know that these are necessarily mistake

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not at nsa or dod but at the department of the interior or at the census bureau or at social security. you will do that for the same amount of time that you got the scholarship for. when you finish that time in federal service, you go work in the private sector, the private sector will loan you back to the government for the proverbial one weekend a month, let's say 10 days a quarter this will improve the cross-pollinization of ideas between the public and private sector. we have a dearth of positions. in a place, just in texas, in my home state, in 2015, there were 42,000 computing jobs went unfilled. the average salary there was $89,000. that year texas only produced 2100 computer scientists. that, you doesn't have to be a math major to figure out the problem there. we have a similar problem in government. the gao did a report and they said, i think it is about, i want to say 50,000 jobs in, within the i.t., excuse me, 10,000, i should know that number, it is 10,000 jobs that are unfilled within the i.t. space across the federal government. so we got to make sure we're focused on gr

one part is the nsa big data collection. >> that's right. john: you have opposed this.nd i have taken heat from libertarians because i say, what obama says. it is just he metadata it is not your personal phone call and it might stop terrorism. [booing] educate me. >> the government's collection of metadata is just as dangerous as its collection of content. if the government were collecting content i would think that that's a bad thing but metadata is actually bad. people need to understand with metadata they can figure out what you're doing throughout your life. they can figure out who you're calling. figure out whether you have a medical condition. think about all the phone records that you have and all of the ways in which the government can decipher based on who you're calling, when you're calling them and how long you're talking to them, what you're doing each day. john: fellow republican, former house intelligence committee chairman, said, this program is used to stop a terrorist attack in the last few years. people do want to kill us. >> there are people on the in

a source close to the house intelligence committee, speaking out about subpoenas to the fbi, nsa, andles stop with the foreheads of those three organizations. chief intelligence corresponden correspondent, katherine harris is with more. a source close to the review, the fbi, cia, and nsa agency has fully complied with the house intelligence committee providino suggest the unmasking of americans encoded intelligence reports close down the request of the former director, john brennan, national security advisor, susan rice on the left. and some at the. the source was knowledge says more than half a dozen senior obama administration officials are now of interest to house investigators. the subpoenas were issued by the house intelligence committee, devon nunez, who took himself out of the russia case earlier this year after he better make the trumpet make is a charge that devon nunez excuse all comes as their expected testimony from susan rice current weather that will happen this week is now in flux, melissa. >> melissa: is there any evidence that anyone broke the law in all this? >> of t

caroline: that was the former director of the nsa and ceo of network security, keith alexander. interview. who else have you spoken with? emily: thank you. it has been a fascinating day here at fortune brainstorm. coming up, we will speak with marty levine, the coo of instagram, talk to her about snapchat and the allegations instagram is copying snapchat. asalso spoke with ben vogel, well as penny pritzker, former commerce secretary for the u.s. we will get her thoughts on the administration and what she's doing now. caroline: amazing lineup. thank you so much. a stellar set of interviews. coming up, we are talking google glass. are they ready for the come back? this is bloomberg. ♪ alisa: i'm alisa parenti and washington. let's with a check of your first word news. prime minister theresa may is being encouraged to fire disloyal ministers, after leaks of disparaging media stories about varying members of the members hoping to replace are jostling for position. she has warned that toppling her could end in a labor victory for jeremy corbyn. russia has issued a warning to the u.s.

caroline: that was the former director of the nsa and ceo of network security, keith alexander. chang joins us from colorado. great interview. who else have you spoken with? emily: thank you. it has been a fascinating day here at fortune brainstorm. coming up, we will speak with marne levine, the coo of instagram, talked to her about snapchat and the allegations instagram is copying snapchat. we also spoke with glenn fogel, the ceo of priceline. as well as penny pritzker, former commerce secretary for the u.s. she is now investing. we will get her thoughts on the administration and what she's doing now. caroline: amazing lineup. enjoy it out there. thank you so much. a stellar set of interviews. coming up, we are talking google glass. are they ready for the come back? this is bloomberg. ♪ >> i am paul allen with the latest first word news. apple has appointed one of its top wireless software engineers as head of china operations, in the face of a persistent sales decline in its largest overseas market. they assume the newly created position of director for greater china, which i

nsa spying and civil liberties violations. john solomon will join us and i on this explosive story. and the president landed at andrews. he took his message to you the american people in a rally in youngstown, ohio, where he pushed his agenda and took on his critics. that's the subject of tonight's opening monologue. >> sean: during theeral neohio president trump should an urgent call to get rid of obamacare and replace it with something that works for you. the american people. time for these guys in the swamp in the sewer in d.c. to get to work. take a look.k. >> we are now one step closer to liberating our citizens from this obamacare nightmare! and delivering great health care for the american people. we will do that too. the senate is working not only to repeal obamacare but deliver great health care for the american people. any senator who votes against repeal and replace is telling america that they are fine with the obamacare nightmare. i predict they will have a lot of problems. >> sean: i predict he is right. repeal and replacing obamacare is not the only part of the presid

collectors like the nsa and cia and get information on what the hackers are up to. in get that back in the hands of the american companies to defend themselves and to defend all of our information. and so the fact that the framework is there, the fact that we are able starting to have this conversation with the department of homeland security, it has been established as the bellybutton of interaction between the government and the private sector, those are all important things. and now we have to stay focused on improving the relationship and getting the right information in the right hands. because when you do that you keep bad guys on the run and away from our systems. >> finally congressman, prior to starting the interview we were chatting and i was picking his brain on who is pretty up on these issues. besides yourself he named as - some other members. they are younger. does the leadership understand these issues as well as some of the younger members that grew up with it? >> they do. kevin mccarthy majority leader is running with an innovation initiative. i thi

wyden: does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans?ir. clapper: no, sir. sen. wyden: it does not? dir. clapper: not wittingly. sharyl: a month later, national security agency whistleblower edward snowden exposed the shocking extent to which the u.s. government had been spying on law-abiding citizens, including so-called "incidental" surveillance, without a court warrant, of americans who simply communicated with a foreign target. on that basis, the government has secretly recorded members of congress, we've learned, including jane harmon speaking with pro-israel lobbyists and dennis kucinich speaking with a libyan official. someone illegally leaked the conversations to the press. some people today may not realize that privacy of our citizens and controlling the government from doing these sorts of things is sort of a basic tenet in our society. elizabeth goitein: it is. i mean, it's right there in the fourth amendment. sharyl: elizabeth goitein leads the liberty and national security program at the brennan center for justice policy gro

not at nsa are dod, but the department of interior or the census bureau or at social security. and you will do that for the same amount of time that you got the scholarship for. when you finish that time in federal service and go work in the private sector, the private sector will on you back to the government for the proverbial one weekend a month or let's say isdays in order, where this going to improve the cross-pollination of ideas between the public and private sector. >> watch the communicators monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. >> all we can lock, american history tv is joining our comcast cable partners to showcase the history of concord, massachusetts. to learn more about the cities are current tour, visit www.c-span.org/cities tour. the continue with our look at this -- the history of concord. interesting that very walden, when of they come to the pond, are a little puzzled, maybe a little disappointed, because when you read "walden," you really are expecting to be just amazed at the landscape. the fact that thoreau could be every day just staggered by a landsca

we have a number of folks -- my former colleagues in the cia and nsa that are chasing terrorists, and kept our country safe for ,he last 16 years since 9/11 and we know how to do counterterrorism. but what is our national strategy when it comes to counter covert influence? a covert influence or covert action campaign? this is something we need to think about not just with the government, but the broader society, because russians are coming again. they have been trying to use asymmetrical warfare. they have been using asymmetrical warfare for the last couple of decades in eastern europe. they tried to use it in our last election. we have to be prepared for 2018 when i think they are going to try to do it again. how do we harden our infrastructure, but also how do we counter this covert influence? these are the conversations we should be having about this threat and how to deal with it in the future. to be clear, when you were talking about additional funds for making voting machines savor, were you thinking of federal funds, or do you have an idea of how much this should cost? reporter

and so i got to meet people like tom drake, for example, at nsa.s an nsa whistleblower who was prosecuted under the espionage act during the balm. obama administration and others. it turns out between the passage of the espionage act in 1917, and obama's inauguration in 2009, three americans were charged with espionage for speaking to the press. just during the obama administration, eight people were charged with espionage. espionage is one of the most -- it's one of the gravest crimes with which an american can be charged, it frequently carries with it the death penalty and eight people were charged by obama's justice department with espionage just for speaking to the press. now, there's a legal definition of whistle blowing, it's bringing to light any evidence of waste, fraud, abuse, illegality or threats to the public health or public safety. so there's got to be some kind of administrative measure, if you want to punish a whistleblower, you don't have to charge him with a death penalty case. there's got to be something else that you can do to e

that's what the nsa does. they are not supposed to target or capture american conversations.ometimes they do. and so, you know, if they get their act together, they get the right information, they find out how many times susan rice unmasked individuals, who these individuals were, what the topics were. but they need that information before the hearing. they are not going to get it at the hearing. they need the information before so they can have the right questions >> what do you mean by that? >> what's that? >> what do you mean by that? you are saying the preparation for this is so key as far as the questioning is concerned. >> yeah. >> what can they do beforehand to actually get answers from this? >> what they can get is, you know, the intelligence community should be able to provide them, okay, here are the number of times that, you know, in the last half of 2016 susan rice asked for unmasking. these were the individuals that were unmasked. this is the content of the conversations. the intelligence committee ought to be able to see the actual conversations that susan rice

mike rogers, head of the nsa also reportedly shared concerns with lawmakers about the, quote, lack of white house focus on the continued threat from russian cyber efforts, particularly relating to u.s. voting systems. that's according to another congressional source. so the nsa is frustrated that the president doesn't get that russia attacked us or doesn't care and cannot focus on trying to fight it at all. take a look at that coupled with what "the washington post" reported this weekend. for contrast, "the washington post" had this great rundown this weekend about european countries and all the things they do to actively respond to the way russia interferes with them. in sweden, they've launched a nationwide school program to teach kids to identify russian propaganda. in lithuania, 100 citizens are called cyber elves who work to digitally identify and combat people who are spreading russian propaganda and fake news. they call their wars online elves versus trolls. this is one of the elves in an adorable video. france and britain got facebook to disable tens of thousands of automated

the problem i have with the democrats and republicans is spying,the nsa wikileaks, debbie washington schulz, loretta lynch -- we do not trust our government anymore. we do not trust you. you are a hack, a loser. goodbye. there is aink similar feeling for multiple people, just that they do not trust people and washington. they want to see changes to both the system and to the people here to make sure that it is being responsive to their needs. i think that goes across the political spectrum, left to right. host: as part of the package of the survey, you highlight some of these legislators that exist within these various groups. to start with the thriving group, you highlight two, a republican from new jersey, erik paulsen, republican from minnesota. individualthose legislators? what does it say about the communities? guest: it was to show that you have to have a diversity of different kinds of people in any these places.n erik paulsen is not the same kind of representative as mark meadows from north carolina. they have different folks they are appealing to, and that is why they are wi

hearing was still happening, trump tweeted -- trump tweeted from the president's official account, "the nsabi tell congress that russia did not influence electoral process." but that's wrong. they didn't say that. so later in the same hearing, comey was asked to fact check trump's tweet about the hearing. tweets he didn't know about because he'd been at the hearing. >> so thanks to the modern technology that's in front of me right here, i've got a tweet from the president an hour ago saying "the nsa and fbi tell congress that russia did not influence the electoral process." that's not quite accurate, that tweet. [ light laughter ] >> sorry, i haven't been following anybody on twitter while i've been sitting here. we've offered no opinion, have no view, have no information on potential impact, because it's never something we looked at. >> seth: witnesses in a hearing are now of fact checking the president's tweets about that hearing during the hearing. [ light laughter ] they might as well just throw to ernie, kenny and charles. [ light laughter ] "charles, trump says russia did not influenc

this report is written by a former nsa director and an independent analyst, retired ibm and also -- er, host: tell me your point. what are you trying to say? cia analyst.mer the point is the russian so-called hack -- it was not a hack, it was a leak from the inside. the dnc problem, what they did to bernie sanders, you

to the modern technology tha right here, i've got a tweet from the president an hour ago saying "the nsabi tell congress that russia did not influence the electoral process." that's not quite accurate, that tweet. [ light laughter ] >> sorry, i haven't been following anybody on twitter while i've been sitting here. we've offered no opinion, have no view, have no information on potential impact, because it's never something we looked at. >> seth: witnesses in a hearing are now of fact checking the president's tweets about that hearing during the hearing. [ light laughter ] they might as well just throw to ernie, kenny and charles. [ light laughter ] "charles, trump says russia did not influence the election. your thoughts?" "ernie, it's terrible, it's just terrible. [ laughter ] he is not going to make it to the next round." now, the main reason the fbi thinks russia was trying to help trump win is because putin famously hated hillary clinton. but at one point during the hearing, texas congressman mike conaway questioned how the fbi could know that, using a very confusing college football

using a tool, the vulnerability that the nsa lost control over. the capacity for securing these types of secrets to the extent it used to exist is no longer present today. issueoser you look at the of the feasibility of creating a backdoor, the more compressible -- a solution becomes. think about this. what phones would apply to? older phones that may be grandfathered in? what about phones built overseas? when german traveler comes to the u.s. and their phone is noncompliant, will they have to surrender the phone at the border? if so, that is a massive inconvenience for everyone who wants to come here. if not, it is a huge loophole for any kind of requirement. who should be able to recover data? if the answer is tech companies should the of the recover data, well, they will be just pressured by the united states government in order to make data available, but by every government around the world no matter how despotic or corrupt. if the answer is not the tech company should control this but rather u.s. law enforcement, well, good luck ever selling

not nsa or dod but at the department of interior or at the census bureau or at social security. you'll do that for the same amount of time that you got scholarship for and when you finish that time in federal service and you go work in the private sector the private sector will loan you back to the government for the proverbial one week in a month or less late 20s a quarter where this will improve the cross colonization ideas between the public and private sector. >> watch the communicators tonight at eight eastern on c-span2. >> spans washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up tuesday morning, a look at the 2018 federal budget beginning with pennsylvania democrat congressman brendan boyle, a member of the house budget committee. it's followed by republican public budget committee texas harrington. sam, author, on his book dream and the true tale of the opioid epidemic. be sure to watch these spans washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. eastern. join the discussion. now, a conversation on the trump administration's approach to border

not at this level of an nsa report. our document contains an american name spelled out, that says to experienced people who've worked with this stuff that what we got is forged. it's fake. >> now news organizations can pay a stiff price for running with things they get from questionable tips and sources. as rachel reminded us it was in 2004 that dan rather and cbs news got hold of documents that it's fake. >> now news organizations can pay a stiff price for running with things they get from questionable tips and sources. as rachel reminded us it was in 2004 that dan rather and cbs news got hold of documents that purported to highlight details of george w. bush's national guard business. the comes whose origin was murky. they blew up ending rather's career and damaging that news organization. it also killed any further reporting into george w. bush's military service during that election year. now someone is shopping fake trump collusion documents perhaps with a similar goal in mind. >> whether or not the trump campaign

emily: that was former director of the nsa keith alexander.acebook's whatsapp messaging service has been partially blocked in china. the government began breaking down on the virtual private networks, or vpn's, which allow data to be routed overseas. social media censorship has been ramped up in china. they are preparing for their 19th communist party congress. coming up, our interview with penny pritzker on the approach to trade in the white house. this is bloomberg. ♪ no person emily: let's return to our coverage of aspen. i sat down with penny pritzker. she spoke about the trump administration's approach to trade. penny: we tried to give our successors the benefit of what we had learned over our tenure. we took the transition very seriously. i think what is challenging is as it relates to the issue we are working on here at the fortune conference, i think the future of work requires a focus by not only the private sector but also government to work on training and dealing with the skills mismatch in the short run and making sure we are trai

national counterterrorism center between 2011 and 2014; before that he was a prosecutor and the nsa'shief lawyer. >> rotella: what would the sentence be for somebody like that in the u.s.? >> hypothetically, someone like kouachi with that charge would be looking at far in excess of 15 years, the conspiracy to provide support to a terrorism group. and the important thing there is that 15 years, for somebody who's in their mid-20s or their 30s, you know, that brings them the hope is that by the timend they're released, they're not interested or too old to really be involved. >> narrator: kouachi wasn't alone. amedy coulibaly rved only three years for his involvement in a plot to help a convicted terrorist escape from prison. no one else in the buttes- chaumont crew served more than seven years, even dangerous fighters who saw combat in iraq. today several are active terrorists. >> (translated): the judges did not realize that these people were time bombs. they didn't rightly assess their truly dangerous nature. consequently, they were given light sentences, perhaps to try to reintegrate

proposes setting up channel through russian communications to the russians because he doesn't trust the nsa, the national security agency. i find that particularly disturbing. >> so matt, just as your legal experience, if you had a client who says one thing on a saturday. doesn't give the full story of what the meeting was, and then sort of gradually the story changes, that transparency to you? >> it's really concerning as a lawyer because as you see jay trying to explain the facts as he currently knows them, i think he is a little worry head is on shifting sand. i respect jay a lot. i think he is doing a great job in this circumstance. but as anybody who has been in those similar circumstances can tell you, if you haven't got the full story from your client, you're very worried. and i think jeff's point is very true that they have moved the goalpost. and now to say that, yeah, there is not any evidence that a crime has been committed, and you can't prove a case. but there is nobody that is arguing now that bob mueller doesn't have legitimacy to investigate these facts and circumstances. >>

. >> i think that is total nonsense, this whole issue of the nsa monitoring americans, this has been a 10-12 years. a number of senators and members of the house, a couple of years ago, famously asked the director of the national intelligence james klapper, is there a huge database of americans being monitored by the nsa? and of the director of national intelligence came back and said no, there is not. it was later revealed that there was. this has been an ongoing issue regardless of who has been in various positions. >> you heard it there. it is time for some answers, right? >> it would be more news out of susan rice if she took credit for or explain the actions and the words used during the obama administration. there is so much doubletalk that came out of that administration, so much redirection and so much blaming someone else. >> is this time different? >> no. >> that's a? >> no. >> first of all, she is testifying behind closed doors. that significantly changes things. >> no. >> it's guaranteed that no one is going to get any answers, all you are going to have his feedback from

it is the cia, nsa, fbi, all operating under the dni, who concluded that last year at the direction of putin, the russians tried to undermine the faith in the u.s. democratic process and at the same time trying to den grate secretary clinton and assist donald trump. but the frankly incomprehensible aspect of this is that donald trump has not been willing to acknowledge what his intelligence community concluded. concluded with high confidence. that's that vladimir putin himself was trying to undermine the public's faith, american people's faith, in the u.s. democratic process. he should be going into that meeting tomorrow and the first thing out of his mouth aught to be, i know what you did. it was totally unacceptable. and if you try anything like that again, you'll have hell to pay. that ought to be where donald trump start out that meeting. but not having acknowledged what the u.s. intelligence committee concluded, csi, nsa, fbi, all working with the -- >> you're in a second part of hamburg than what leaders are. this areas designated for protest. we are trying to determine if that p