and if you are oleg deripaska or any oligarch, the idea that you have access and could get informationa high-level fbi agent, that's manner from heaven. and this is sort of spy versus spy. this is what they're going to want. so that issue of when was that relationship? when did it start? and particularly, what was said, that is key. and just to the point, by the way, on the manafort, the polling data, just because you always try your last case, after our investigation was over and biden became president, the dni, the head of the intelligence committee reported that they actually were able to confirm that the polling data went to russia. i mean, we knew that had to be the case, but didn't have the evidence. we couldn't say it. but of course -- would have been killed if he hadn't passed it on. and the person he was supposed to give it to wise oleg deripaska. >> so people who were like deripaska, clinic, manafort, one of the things people are scrutinizing are the two people that came out in the october of 2016. james comey announced that there was going to be an investigation into clinton

that's because it was revealed in 2017 that donald trump's campaign manager, paul manafort, owed oleg deripaskae the same indicted by special counsel muller's team on a slew as charges. manafort reportedly offered deripaska private briefings about the 2016 campaign as a way to reportedly get hold with deripaska. the russian oligarch gets mentioned in mueller's report over 60 times. they had strong suspicions but were ultimately never able to confirm that manafort shared internal trump campaign polling data with deripaska via his former business partner who the u.s. has determined was a former russian intelligence agent. to underscore how close he was to the kremlin it says about him, quote, the russian government coordinates with and directs deripaska on many of his influence operations. it is against that backdrop that the fbi announced a stunning and just completely shocking arrest late last month of one of its own albeit it former most senior officials. charles is the former chief counter intelligence official at the fbi in new york. and the fbi unsealed two unbelievable indictments against

there are some indications in the indictments that suggests it could be possibly oleg deripaska, but we don't know that. i reached out to deripaska's people and they do not want to comment about this because they have their own issues going with doj. now, what we do know is that charlie mcgonigal did travel to london and did meet with a russian who was important enough for the british to be watching. and we know that the british were concerned enough about this meeting to alert the fbi, to actually ring up the u.s. embassy in london and tell the fbi's legal attache there this happened and we're really concerned about it. i don't know exactly what was said, but they were worried. and we know that that alert that went from the u.k. to the usa was part -- at least part of the predication or the beginning of the fbi's investigation into mcgonigal. so until that happened, it seems likely that the fbi may not have been aware that there was a problem here. >> matt, why would mcgonigal go to him? where mean he's former head of counter intelligence for the fbi in new york. he must have known t

so, we did actually get a comment from oleg deripaska's spokesperson and updated the story with it.of the case, charlie mcgonigal is not just an fbi special agent. he was in charge of the counterintelligence division in new york city, in the new york city field office, so, he was in charge of finding who is spying on the united states, how can we stop them, can we somehow win them over to our side. he had 150 fbi special agents working for him. and now, we found out from indictments that he's alleged to have taken bundled of cash from an individual in a car and in other places, $225,000 in cash. his ex-girlfriend, a woman he was in relationship at the time outside of his marriage, told me she saw some of that cash on the floor of their apartment in park slope, brooklyn. and now we know he was communicating with, we don't know who, through whatsapp and the envelopes passing through this former soviet diplomat who is also his co-defendant. and we don't noah was in the envelopes. they were manila envelopes that looked like they contained documents, gir ray owe told me. they didn't look

the reason we're talking about oleg deripaska here, the reason we're talking about russia is because-- >> same here and he started taking his money. >> that's right. but the point is there are a number of individuals including oleg deripaska who had significant financial incentives to hire an individual to remove an individual from the sanctions list. i think the allegation is he was paid 175 -- >> is it a kwips dns deripaska also has a relationship with kunsen teen kilimnik and paul manafort? >> i would say the coincidence is only in the fact part of the reason he was sanctioned concerns all the ways this individual sought to influence the election and sort of other things. so like that's the connection. but, again, if you look at the allegation he charged them, and he charged them aggressively. these are two different indictments. this isn't someone pulling their punches. if you read these documents this is a department of justice that sought to identify any unlawful activity and charges. >> and he's not charged with spying. what happens on -- i said this in the last part, i've lea

sanctions by warning for a notorious russian oligarch, oleg deripaska.g it's -- from deripaska, after mcconnell of the fbi in 2018. and it doesn't appear to concern espionage. the new reporting today from insiders, posing a handful of questions as to when exactly that russian relationship began. here is the report. in 2018, mcgonigle travel to london, where he met with a russian contact was under surveillance by british authorities, to u.s. intelligence sources told insider. insider was able to determine the year, but not the month of the meeting. the four source noted that regardless of whether the meeting occurred before or after mcgonigle retired from the fbi in september of 2018. it suggested a serious and extended relationship. what does this all mean in terms of mcconnell's russian contacts? did he foster these relationships while he was at the fbi, and if so, when? also, remember roughly two years before this meeting, the fbi was the center of some very highly controversial work. including an investigation into hillary clinton's emails, and a prob