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this is often referred to as the optics. the whitehouse's response is you've got to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. you have to keep your schedule, still have all the meetings, all the phone calls. they always point out that air force one is equipped with a huge office. all the phone calls, all the aides, they have secretary of state john kerry out in the middle east and you can't always say, gosh, there's a crisis going on somewhere on the globe and we've got to stop everything. now certainly if there's an event like 9/11, like the newtown shootings, politics and everything stops for a while. but we've seen violence in the middle east for several years, if not for decades. there's been another kind of crisis, one after another across the globe and the white house responds do we have to stop everything all the time there's another issue out there? so that's their response. >> and the president is going to be making a speech today on the economy. what do we expect him to say? >> he's going to be talking about reinvigorat

not like you can do anything about it it's how it looks they complain that's all about optics. the whitee is a political place and do you have to deal with that the other thing is if you had taken one thing off the plate that day. the burgers, the joking speech in delaware or the fundraisers, i think everybody would have been fairly forgiving. >> one thing offer the plate. >> i try. >> looking at him playing golf now, and i don't begrudge him, juan, playing golf. i mean, a president has to have relaxation, has to get out there and clear his mind i'm jumping in the ocean and stuff like that. that's what i do and he does that the president sets a tone, juan. this president is now setting a frivolous tone playing pool while the border burns. we discussed eating burgers while the plane is dead in the field. that's frivolous. is he not sending the message that i'm engaged and this is serious. go let me just say i have a victory for you o'reilly, that the president has cancelled appearance on jimmy kimmel apparently out of concern for this kind of optics. it doesn't matter to anybody but the p

it's a chance for the white house to deal with the optics problem they have right now. the fact that president obama is in texas. he's going to fundraisers. but he has no planners to visit the boarder. the official line from the white house if he goes there, he could ultimate get the way of the efforts to deal with the influx of unaccompanied children and minors and folks coming across the border. the realty, there's a political problem for the white house. the optics of the president actually visiting the border are complicated. it's a no win situation in some ways, craig. if he goes there, what does he do? does he give a speech in does he meet with the children? what specifically would he do? so there are a lot of questions around how that would actually work. the practicality of that. so the white house made the larger calculation for him not to go to the board and visit with governor we a perry. >> let's talk about the request. $3.7 billion. what is that money going to be used for? how is the white house saying the money will be dolled out? >> let's look at the break

. >> reporter: add to that the much criticized optics of three fund-raisers on this trim. but the white house isn't budging. >> the president is less concerned about optics. he wants to make sure we're treating these children properly. >> reporter: the president's efforts to quell the controversy by meeting tonight with governor perry, religious and local leaders hardly changing the conversation in washington. in fact, the white house emergency request for $3.7 billion to deal with the crisis exploded on the senate floor. >> i cannot vote for a provision which will then just perpetuate an unacceptable human crisis. >> frankly my republican friends can't have it both ways. they can't criticize the president, in fact, sue the president for abusing his executive authority and at the same time come to this floor and criticize him for a lack of leadership. >> reporter: all of which leaves tonight's meeting with no chance of bridging a huge political divide. and leaving thousands of children waiting for answers. >> it's really unfortunate in this situation the children are getting caught in t

that's not good optics for the white house. amount they asked for here is much more than people initially expected. they were talking about 2 billion. this is 4 billion. i ahead the white house document on this. st they start with enforcement and deterrence. i agree with what karen said earlier in the show about the need for moral vision on this but looking at it in narrow political terms, the president is trying to protect some democratic senate candidates in red states and tough elections by using a lot of money on enforcement and deterrence and processing those kids quickly. >> karen, what about the decision not to go to the border? people are inflamed about this. a texas congressman wrote i'm sure president bush thought the same thing, to look down at everything from up in the sky and then owned it after a long time and referring to that infamous flight over new orleans. is that a fair some pair son and why not just go? >> this is one where going to the word optics, i personally as a democrat am concerned about the optics.

. >> reporter: even as they insist it's not an optics problem there's signs white house aides realize the criticism may be sinking in. they cancelled an expected appearance on jimmy kimmel's late night talk show on wednesday that may have been seen as too jocular has challenges pile up. and today's court ruling raising about the president's signature achievement. >> chaos and confusion around the president's health care law. when you first have to pass a law before you get to find out what's in it. you have a law that is terribly written and awful in its implementation, what you see is more confusion for americans. >> reporter: white house aides shot back the second court ruling later in the day shows partisan attempts to repeal the law continue to fail. >> it is pretty clear even to those of us that don't have a fancy legal degree the intent of congress was to ensure every eligible american would have access to tax credits that would lower their health care costs. >> reporter: josh earnest said if there's something the president can't do on the the road stay on top of the crises, the

with this massive issue front and center, you know, josh earnest, white house spokesperson saying yesterday we don't care about optics. you're a betting man, will the president pop up at the border and we'll be covering it? >> the white house always cares about optics. we all know that. you know, i don't know. it's a little awkward, for the president, this was a pre-arranged fund-raising trip that comes in the middle of this massive tv story and frankly national crisis on the border. so it might look bad. on the other hand, you know, for the president of the united states to go visit a border or a border patrol station, it's a big logistical issue, and you would obviously want to make sure he's by his mere presence there, he's not going to make things worse. but maybe they'll squeeze in some opportunity where he'll get briefed by some agents or some kind of middle ground where it doesn't just seem that he's only going to texas to raise money for democrats, but he's engaged in what's going on there. >> we'll watch for it tomorrow. all of us, ryan lizza, thank you so much, joining me in washington. >>> just ahead, the

>> i think there's no way to separate the optics away from the substance of the white house.s has always been the case. and the president knows very well a picture matters and that's why he does a lot of photo ops, this is not a surprise. he plays pool. he has lunch in diners, orders cheese burgers. they know how important a picture is. the problem, above and beyond the pictures in the optics is the substance. and to judge the white house on the substance, it is not going well for the white house right now on the substancen the border bill they want passed, emergency funding is stuck in congress. there's a huge problem, obviously, going on in the ukraine. there are crises spreading out all over the world. congress is in session for one more week and then they're gone for five weeks. i can't tell you how important it is for the president to be in the white house, bring people to the white house, tell them to pass bills, ask them to pass bills that they wants them to pass. personal diplomacy is important. he get as way with that on the road. i have a problem with him not being

optics as we say. what do you think about the comparison? >> i understand the white house is afraid of optics having them down at the border. i don't like the katrina analogy for lots of reasons. it gives short-shrift what george bush actually really did that the media did not give coverage to. more importantly, unless you're spike lee or tinfoil hatted psychopath who writes in comments section on youtube in all caps, no one thinks that george bush created that hurricane. that was a man-made, that was a natural disaster came out of nowhere. this is disaster is entirely man-made, building and developing for a very long time, that the white house, like isis taking over iraq, the white house tells reporters, hey, we had our eye on this but this really came up and took us by surprise. what took them by surprise because they don't know how to do their job. to compare this to katrina makes sound if they're not culpable in this. it is really, i understand the political point. people are saying they don't want, obama doesn't want a photo-op at the border that presidentialize

but won't visit the border. >> the white house doesn't like to present optics. >> the optics of that bad. >> they feel, you know, we're all about substance, we're not about optics. >> it's not a good image. >> i think optics do matter. >> impeachment is a message that should be send to the president. let's get going on that. you don't bring a lawsuit to a gun fight. they don't have the cajones to do it. >> dropped jaws and left an entire nation in tears. >> look at the crying. >> the last tie they hosted the world cup,

. >> i think there's a lot of concern even among some people in the white house about the optics of himtexas and not seeing the situation and the crisis and the white house has been defiant saying he will not go to the border. there's not a value in him doing that. another thing we heard congresswoman edwards say, notable because she is as you say a big democratic loyalist, she's a head of the campaign committee aimed at winning over republican seats. she also expressed concern about the idea the white house raised about pulling back some of the protections for migrant children from central america that has forced the administration to have hearings before deporting them. she'd be concerned about doing that. you see the docket line, the president's going to have to do about demands and core supporters that he now do things that seem anti-immigrant. >> do you think, susan, could he go to the border? one of the arguments that he could draw resources away from dealing with the problem. we also heard that argument, not to say it's apples to apples, but you have democrats and republicans say

white house. ed. >> good evening, megyn. the president clearly was not concerned enough about the image of the fund raising to cancel them, but they are clearly worried potentially about the politics, the optics of this, enough so that white house aides were very careful to tell us that as soon as the president landed in new york city a couple hours ago before fund raising that he convened two secure phone calls with secretary of state john kerry and then broader national security team including cia director to get updates both on the gaza situation as well as the ukrainian-russia situation. he did not visit the border in texas because he was not interested in photo ops. today in delaware he kept us his photo ops. had a cheeseburger with a single mom. think back to how this week started. a major front page piece in "the wall street journal" cataloging all these national security crises around the world raised the question about whether u.s. power around the globe was in decline. i pressed josh earnest about that, the white house press secretary, and he down played it. >> how does the white house react to the notion that the president is a bystander to all these crises? >> i think there have b

white house answer that? >> they say, and there's truth to this, the president can do his job. he can get briefings from the staff. there is an element that is opticspeople pay attention to these things and the population is add missive. >> the white house is in a lose/lose situation on this. if they don't raise money for democrats, they are going to get whacked by democrats on the hill for not raising money for them. one of the things the president can do is raise a ton of money from the big donors who want to drop 32 grand to come and have face time with the president. that's what he's been doing aggressively this year. you are not hearing criticism from the democrats. they want that money. >> if you don't raise money, we won't, either. they leave that part out. sit tight. tomorrow's news is today. we'll share nuggets and get you out ahead of the political news. uh-huh there's good more... honey, look at all these smart rewards points verizon just gave me. ooh, you got a buddy. i'm like a statue. i just signed up and, boom, all these points. ...and there's not-so-good more. you're a big guy... oh no. get the good more with verizon smart rewards a

yet tonight there are signs some optics may be getting to the white house a little bit. he was planning to go on jimmy kimmel's late night show but we're now told that has been canceled. the white house sent word he's not going to do it at least on this trip. aides say for as for the fund raising they're going to go forward with that for now. they say if any of these crises get worse, if the president is needed back here at the white house, his schedule may change again. megyn. >> what a shocker. >>> when secretary of state john kerry went on the sunday shows, he heard some similar tough questions about the administration's foreign policy efforts. here's how he responded. >> what he faces maybe is a problem with a bunch of critics who want to jump to conclusions without looking at the facts. and the fact is that every fundamental issue of conflict today the united states is in the center leading and trying to find an effort to make peace where peace is very difficult. and i think the american people ought to be proud of what this president has done in terms of peaceful d

. >> not just optics but actual immigration policy from the white house. who cares how this looks? does everything have to be a p.r. campaign? does everything have to do with politics? listen to the numbers, sandra, they're asking for. $4 billion they want congress to appropriate. you heard stuart varney, break it down, going to bribe these countries where the kids are coming from not to come. there has to be humanitarian, humane solution so republicans don't get called, out for attacking children. but sandra, alone, the government accounting office said $3.07 it takes to secure the border. this isn't going to secure the border. what he is asking for. >> we don't know if this is the end of money going to be asked for. this is the money they're asking for by the end of 2014. this situation is obviously we can assume at this point, it is going to go well into 2015. there will be more fund that will be asked for. congressman hal rogers, who is described the situation as extremely dire, he is saying that additional funding will be needed. you're not hearing, even republicans are saying

kimmel, continue some fundraising but keep an eye when he needs to get back to the white house quickly. >> in terms of opticsding. is the president dropping the ball as far as foreign policies are concerned? >> it is kind of unseemingly the president is doing so much fundraising but i agree with doug that actually politics goes on even among crisis. i would mind less the president is making fund raising stops if he was doing a better job of managing crisis. >> to that point in the new york times you were quoted saying you think president obama has an add hawk foreign policy. what do you mean? >> the choices he makes in one conflict will have nofe effect other people's choices elsewhere, that's clearly not true. the second is that the president's vision of the international order, in fact, he said in los angeles today or yesterday that the old order isn't holding, but the new -- but we're not where we need to be in terms of creating the new order. and that's quite right, the new order that he wants to emerge -- a new order is emerging, it's not the one the president wants. it's one where the russians behave i