oren cass? mr. cass: i think you are right that this looks dangerous if we had a situation where people are not needed. the first thing to say is that we have to recognize that is not an acceptable outcome. as we think about our economic policies and our society, how we wanted to look, one of our first principles has to be that everybody does need to be needed. we need to build an economy in a society where everyone can be a productive worker, where they can contribute and support their families and communities. in terms of what that means for policy -- as we talk about globalization, from my perspective, globalization can be a wonderful thing. the problem is not necessarily from trade. more trade can be great for an economy, for workers of all kinds, what we have to insist on is that it is balanced trade. proceeded,ation has has we -- as we have done more and more trade in the international economy, we have found ourselves importing much more from other countries, and especially from china, than we

oren cass? guest: i think you are right that this is dangerous if you have a situation where people are not needed. the first thing to say is that we recognize that is not and it -- an acceptable outcome. as we think about how our society, holly wanted to look, one of our principles needs to be that everybody does need to be needed. an economy where everyone is a productive worker. in terms of what that means for policy and as we talk about things like globalization, from my perspective, globalization can be a wonderful thing. the problem is not necessarily with trade. more trade can be great for an economy. more trade can be great for workers of all kinds. what we have to insist on is that it is balanced trade. what i mean by that is as globalization is proceeded and we do more and more trade, what happens is we have found ourselves importing much more from other countries. and especially from china. and we export to those countries. from the perspective of consumers, that can be a great thing.

oren cass?i think you are right that this is dangerous if you have a situation where people are not needed. the first thing to say is that we recognize that is not and it -- an acceptable outcome. as we think about how our society, holly wanted to look, one of our principles needs to be that everybody does need to be needed. an economy where everyone is a productive worker. in terms of what that means for policy and as we talk about things like globalization, from my perspective, globalization can be a wonderful thing. the problem is not necessarily with trade. more trade can be great for an economy. more trade can be great for workers of all kinds. what we have to insist on is that it is balanced trade. what i mean by that is as globalization is proceeded and we do more and more trade, what happens is we have found ourselves importing much more from other countries. and especially from china. and we export to those countries. from the perspective of consumers, that can be a great thing. trade l

please join me in welcoming oren cass. >> thank you all very much for coming. i should mention you can buy the kindle today and it shows up instantly. there is always that choice. thank you especially to david. i don't know where i picked up the affect of saying to people you are a gentleman and a scholar. usually extremely tongue in cheek. david more than anyone i know truly is a gentleman and a scholar. i appreciate him having me, really appreciate the heritage foundation for hosting me. i also want to thank manhattan institute for supporting this work that i have been doing. i would like to actually start by complimenting the "new york time times". [ inaudible ] they got a map of the entire country and shaded each county by which share of income came from transfer payments. in 1970 you had a light beige map with a few splotches of pink to red, where you were getting up toward 20, maybe even 30% from transfer payments. then they had the map in 2014 where essentially the entire map was pink to red and you had some dark purple sections where literally a majorit

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join me in welcoming oren cass. [applause] >> thank you very much for coming. i should mention you can buy the kindle today and it shows up instantly. thank you especially to david. i don't know where i picked up the affect of saying to people in your gentleman and a scholar. it's usually tongue-in-cheek. david more than anyone i know is truly a gentleman and a scholar and i appreciate the heritage foundation for hosting me and the manhattan institute for supporting this work i've been doing . i'd like to start by complementing the new york times with its controversial and heterodox -- [inaudible] they look at personal income and the share of personal income and they announced to the entire country and shaded each county by what share of income had come from transfer payments. in 1970 you had a light beige met with a few blotches of pink to red. where you were getting up towards 20, maybe 30 percent from transfer payments and then they have a map in 2014. where essentially the entire matter was read and you had dark purple sections where literally a majority of

joining us from new york city is oren cass, a senior fellow at the manhattan institute and the author of the future worker. thank you for joining us this morning to talk ab

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