ornato related to me. >> so just from the points raised there, ornato could be critical especially ift the alleged episode where she said the president was irate and trying to lunge out but more importantly to the substance of did he know there were weapons in the crowd, did he know that perhaps he should not have given a provocative speech that day, could be critical. >> 100%. he had key insight. he wasn't just serving in that role. there are deputy chief of staffs, there are secret service officials and secret service officials. this is someone who had president trump's trust and was welcomed as an insider, whether or not that's -- that was his point of view, that is how trump viewed him. to shan's point, legally there may not be a long-term difference on this question of whether the committee can subpoena somebody, but the difference is that mr. ornato's employers can't make him go testify and i think it could be an important distinction. it could be something to watch. >> he has a boss in the government to say, we want you to do this. this is a report on the story, it was trump's

is it significant that ornato is leaving the agency? is this a big deal? >> i think it is a big deal. he was pressed. he was being pressed to appear and testify before the january six committee. i suspect he was given an interview to the fbi. which may or may not be factual. i think he is feeling the pinch of being in the political spot when he was a part of an agency that exposed as you said, be non political. to be deputy director of operations, he's clearly running the secret service detail in a way that is politically beneficial to the president. that's just really unprecedented. while different-y tales get attached to their president or not attached, they never really crossed the line. in my mind. looking at the history, i had liaison with the secret services, one of my duties as white house counsel. i had -- they would bring them to me. and we would work them out. that is where it happened, was at that level. not at the staff level directly being a part of the secret service. >> alyssa, listening to you over the weeks and months, and really upfront w

ornato is now leaving the agency. he told cnn in a statement that he's retiring after more than 25 years, working for five presidents. he said he's going to work for the private sector but specifically said he will not be working for the former president or any of his entities. >> very interesting to see where he lands. cara, thank you for that. >>> happening today, the justice department is set to respond to donald trump's request for a special master to oversee the fbi's review of materials seized at mar-a-lago. the doj was granted permission to file 40 pages. there was supposed to be a 20-page limit, but doj said, hey, we need more pages to adequately address the legal and factual issues raised by trump's filing. with me, paul callan, and elie honig. elie, they've asked for more pages. it seems to me doj is saying we have stuff we want to get off our chest here. >> this is unusual in a couple respects. there is such a thing as asking for an over length brief. you can do it if you feel you can't say it in 20 pages.

his name is tony ornato. he's the member of donald trump security detail who took a political job at the same time he was serving the secret service. he's actually quite highly ranked in the white house. deputy chief of staff, which is a very, very powerful position. on january six, he reportedly relayed a job dropping story -- about the ex presidents attempt to join the rioters at the capitol. hutchinson's shared it on one of the january six treaty hearings. >> tony proceeded to tell me that, when the president got -- he was under the impression by mr. meadows that day -- of the capital was still possible and likely to happen but they likely have more information. so, he had gotten into the vehicle with -- he thought he was going up to the capitol, and when bobby had related to, we -- don't have the assets to do, it were not secure, we're going back to the west wing. the president had very strong, very angry response to that. tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of, i

his name is tony ornato. he was a member of trump's security detail, who took a political job at the same time he was serving in the secret service. he was actually highly ranked in the white house, he worked as deputy chief of staff, which is a very powerful position. on january 6th, he reportedly related jaw-dropping story to white house staffer cassidy hutchison, about the ex presidents attempt to join the rioters at the capitol. he shared at one of the january 6th committee hearings. >> tony proceeded to tell me that when the president got in, that he was under the impression from richard meadows, but the offer to move it to the capital was still possible and likely to happen, but that body had more information. so if the president hadn't gotten into the vehicle with bobby, he thought that they were going up to the capitol. and bobby had relayed to him or not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's not so clear, we are going back to the west wing. the president had very strong, very angry responses to th

donald trump made tony ornato the deputy chief of staff.y ornato has been described as one of donald trump's quote greatest yasmin and quote, by carroll levin who wrote a book about the secret service. cassidy hutchinson told the january 6th select committee, that tony ornato told her what happened in the private presidential vehicle when donald trump wanted to go to the capital. >> tony described him as being irate. the president said something to the effect of, i am the effing president, take me up to the capital now, to which bobby responded, sir we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm and said sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we are going back to the west wing. we are not going to the capital. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle and he recounted the story tomorrow he motioned towards his clavicle. >> joining us now is congressman democratic congressman adam schiff, he's chairma

what do you know about the relationship between ornato and trump? how much could he know? >> well look, i'm going to defer to nick's point. certainly he can know a lot and i think that to me as i was listening to this conversation -- we have been so focused on the issue of trump mishandling classified documents that the revelations of the january six committee about the bereft of his effort to overturn the election, how much of the federal government was pulled into that from different agencies and departments. how far it's spread in other states, all of that as kind of receded into the background. but it will be back again in september with the committee. we are having this night after night debating whether trump can be indicted for his mishandling of classified documents. the original issue is is there an indictment for his broad role in trying to up and and a democratic small the election. so this is a reminder of how broad a range of legal challenges he faces and how stark a question it poses for the republican party. is there any behavior that would cause them to eit

service official who was the subject of an explosive january 6 testimony is leaving his post tony ornato led former president trump's protective detail and also served as a white house political advisor, now announcing he is retiring after 25 years of service to work in the private sector former white house aide cassidy hutchinson testify thad ornato described former president trump lunging at his driver on january 6, insisting he be taken to the capitol where the riot was unfolding. hutchinson's account has been disputed by some people familiar with the matter. in a statement to nbc news, ornato said he'd been planning his retirement for more than a year >>> the justice department says it's done with the initial review of all the documents seized from former president trump's mar-a-lago home, potentially undercutting mr. trump's effort at getting a special master to independently sift through the files joining us from d.c. with more on this is brie jackson, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, p phillip. they discovered some documents that may fall under the attorney-client privileg

you've been really upfront with their experiences with tony ornato. he tells cnn that he's leaving to take a job in the private sector. first, does that ring true to you? >> secondly how important would his information be concerning the former president state of mind on the sixth? does that ring true and then the other part if you need it i will ask you again. >> first, as you noted, it's been two months since cuts the houston's damning testimony. or not it was very quick to come out with a statement saying that she was inaccurate, she was misleading, she was lying. but it's been two months, he's done nothing to come forward and tell the truth under oath to the committee. i have shared that he has misrepresented situations he and i have been in the past. i will say this, many of us who know him knew that he was going to retire this summer after a 25 years were up. nothing necessarily nefarious about that. but, i don't take my face value. that he's going -- that does bring true. i don't take him at face value that is not going to a trump entity. keep i

we heard a lot about tony ornato from cassidy hutchinson. unique position, formerly worked as a secret service agent, leading the detail for president trump before flipping to the political side going to work for the president as his operations director at the white house, ultimately returning to the secret service. but no secret service agent had done such a thing, which raised a lot of questions. again, his name was invoked by cassidy hutchinson when he testified before the january 6th committee and said tony ornato told her about the experience had inside the suv on january 6th where the president demanded that the agents take him up to the capitol on that day, they refused to do it. she said she was told that president lunged for the steering wheel and grabbed an agent by the neck. while some disputing of that, no one in the secret service has disputed president trump was furious in that suv that day and demanded to go to the hill. the reason this is all notable is because we've now learned that tony ornato is retiring after 25 years wit

clint, you're referring to tony ornato, the head of the detail for former president trump. we have found out now, and the post has it as well, that he has retired. he told nbc news this was long planned. he was at that time center of that explosive testimony that was since dispute friday cassidy hutchinson about what happened, whether donald trump lunged at his drive tore try to get him to take him to the capitol on january 6th. what else do you know? >> the timing of his retirement is certainly suspicious or at least conspicuous. he is scheduled to not only interview with the department of homeland security inspector general investigators, but also with the january 6th committee, and this retirement which makes him now a private citizen does at least sort of give him some new protections, private counsel, that he previously wasn't en titled to and makes the job of these entities that are investigating him or won ducting their investigation into some of the practices that have raised a lot of eyebrows that much more difficult. we know tony ornato was someone who was a first

there were certainly a chance that after the after tony ornato does retire and leave government service and he can tell his version of events at some point in time. perhaps he might even follow the path of so many other former trump officials, and wait for a memoir to be published. >> they all do, it stephanie, they'll do it. keep in mind that tony ornato, while a secret service agent for so many years that is very much a political actor in the trump white house, so much so that trump elevated him from a secret service detail to become deputy chief of staff. a political appointment to guard and protect the presidents schedule, his whereabouts, where he was going. he was a very close and very loyal friend and aide to president trump. >> how many more people are going to tell us, the country was in trouble, the democracy was at risk, he was unhinged, so i did nothing to stop it at the time, but then i wrote a book about it. how many more are going to do that? i want to know who buys them. phil rucker, joyce vance, katie benner, and to the new york times, please give her a big long vacatio

and a big development tonight secret service director tony ornato has left the agency. that is according to two sources. this coming just to -- testify that ornato had told her then that president trump had told her that he was at irate with his security detail in the wouldn't take him to the captain general. six special watergate prosecutor nick akerman. good evening to one and all if i can get my lips to work tonight i'll be able to have to get some questions. how are you doing, good to see you. carrots i wanna get your reaction to the news that tornado is leaving the secret service. any of location for the january six investigation? >> well this figure is one who has been controversial within the secret service for sometime. and his departure from the secret service comes just as the january six commission now has him in their sights. this is a moment of some transition for the secret service. just in the last couple of days. president biden has appointed a new director as director james murray stepping down and retiring himself. so, i think we are seeing a lot of qu

ornato and i think there's interesting information to come. >> all right. that filing deadline, the 40 pages potentially, coming from doj today. peter strzok, elie honig, thank you so much. >>> now to this. there's a water crisis in mississippi. thousands of residents in jackson have no running water today. we're going to speak to one about how he and his family are coping. >>> plus, president biden is sharpening his midterm message. next hour in pennsylvania, he's set to unveil his plan to invest in police forces nationwide. ♪ ♪ the thing that's different about a vrbo vacation home. you always have the whole place to yourself. no stranger at the dinner table mang things awkward. or in another room takingp space. it's just you and your people. because why would you ever share your vacation home with someone you wouldn't share your vacation with. ♪ ♪ your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit ind

tony ornato who was the deputy chief of staff at the time of the riots, left the agency after 25 yearsservice after two months after cassidy hutchinson testified that ornato trump was irate upon learning that his security would not take him to the capitol that day. hutchinson already testified that ornato described trump lunging at the driver of the presidential vehicle, demanding to head to the capitol. hutchinson's account has been disputed by some people familiar with the matter. in a statement to nbc news, ornato said i long planned to retire and have been planning this transition for more than a year. president biden will be in the critical swing state of pennsylvania today. where he is expected to argue that democrats, not republicans, are the real law and order party. highlighting that the recent violent rhetoric surrounding federal law enforcement from some members of the republican party. le also tout his administration's quote, safer america plan, which calls for increased funding and training for 100,000 new police officers. and he's expected to talk about money from the ame

more on tony ornato's departure in just a moment. joining me now, maggie haberman helping to lead the coverage of the mar-a-lago search. i'm very interested in the filing today. the subject with the special master, i used to write term papers, i never asked them to double the length of the assignment. you certainly don't do that unless there's stuff they want to get off their chest. >> right. i think get off their chest is the right phrase. they see this as an opportunity, john, to talk top positive tond to things that they've put in the filings and they think they're inaccurate. they're going point by point. as you said, we're talking roughly 40 pages. that is a lot. the doj has not tape, at any point since that search, they do not go first. they don't go out and talk. they do something after trump has. when you saw merrick garland, it was after trump talked. and when you saw it got unsealed that was at the request of media and others, and now you see the action that trump took. they're basically speaking two different languages, do

she said ornato told her that trump was irate after learning his security detail would not take him tohe capitol on january 6th. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engle and when mr. ornato recounted this story to me, he motioned toward his clavicles. >> his career has spanned more than 25 years protecting five presidents. he tells cnn in a statement that he has long planned to retire. the january 6th committee has exc expressed a desire to speak with him. it's not clear if and when he will. >>> ukraine is claiming some early wins as president zelenskyy vows to chase russian troops out of the country. we're live in kyiv. >>> plus struggling to keep the power on. 20 million american households are behind on their utility bills and there's one major culprit. >>> they're accused of invading homes of celebrities. details o

keep in mind that tony ornato, well as secret service agent for so many years that is very much a politicalactor in the trump white house, so much so that trump elevated him from a secret service detail to become deputy chief of staff. a political appointment to guard and protect the presidents schedule, his whereabouts, where he was going. he was a very close and very loyal friend and aide to president trump. >> how many more people are going to tell us, the country was in trouble, the democracy was at risk, he was unhinged, so i did nothing to stop it at the time, but then i wrote a book about it. how many more are going to do that? i want to know who buys them. phil rucker, joyce vance, katie benner, and to the new york times, please give her a big long vacation in september, she has not had one single day of the summer, i would like to know that. when we come back, trump supporters were warned of riots in the streets, while democrats are suddenly punching back against gop attacks. a new report says that any congressional public meeting, they didn't even talk about the former guy. and la

ornato had recounted the story to me, he had motioned toward his clavicles. >> stephen: he went for theyou get into the secret service, you know you have to take one for the president, but you never expect to take one from the president. "thank you for your service. let's keep this part secret." the limo wasn't the only place the president got violent. hutchinson talked about the day bill barr went on the record saying there wasn't any fraud in the election. >> i noticed the door was propped open, and the valet was inside the dining room changing the tablecloth off of the dining room table. he motioned for me to come in and then pointed towards the front of the room near the fireplace mantel and the tv, where i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall, and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's a.p. interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. ( laughter ). >> stephen: i mean, her description is so detailed, i think yu could go in and find where that ketchup stain

ornato retired after 25 years with the secret service telling nbc news this was long planned you'll remember that ornato was at the center of explosive testimony during the january 6 hearings when former aide cassidy hutchinson testified he described to her how mr. trump lunged at the driver on the day of the insurrection. that account has been disputed ornato has testified in front of the january 6 committee according to an aide sheinelle? >> hallie, thank you >>> ukrainian forces are launching a major counter offensive, appears to be aimed at reclaiming russian-held territory in southern ukraine. there are reports of new strikes around that besieged nuclear power plant that has sparked fears of a potential catastrophe. nbc's meagan fitzgerald joins us from kyiv. good morning >> reporter: days after the u.s. announced the $3 billion aid package for ukraine, the country seems eager to show it's putting these resources to good use. this morning ukrainian troops are on the attack, launching a new counter offensive now under way in the south, a mission to take back the russian-occupied

that's under oath ornato put out leaks suggesting he disputes that but he has not gone under oath. the committee and other related investigations. as for whether he has testified or that material will come out, he didn't say. if he put any of his denials under oath, that raises the bar, and we of course will tell you as soon as we hear about it. this is quite an update, though, and interesting to follow where he's headed. we're going to fit in a break, and then we are back with the lending, carole king, that's next. , that's next i've already told everyo ne! (nurse) wait... did you say verizon for just $30? (mom) it's their best unlimited price ever. (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (dad) yeah, and it's from the most reliable 5g network in america. (woman) for $30 a line, i'm switching now. (mom) yeah, it's easy and you get $960 when you switch the whole family. (geek) wow... i've got to let my buddies know. (geek friend) we're already here! (vo) the network you want. the price you love. only from verizon. i get bladder leaks. i didn't want to feel like i was wearing the pads i wor

he came into the spotlight by cassidy hutchinson who said that tony ornato said the president became irate when tony told the president he could not go to the capitol that day. from lincoln, nebraska, this is wesley. caller: hello. earlier this month there was a report by "politics insider" that there is a growing call for a constitutional convention that is among republican strong-leaning states. i am not opposed to that motion but with very different priorities. like amending every article except maybe the sixth. host: the biden administration was offering free covid-19 tests. the rapid tests. that program being cost. ms. ginger otis reporting in the wall street journal that " ordering through this program will be suspended friday, september 2, because congress has not provided additional funding to replenish the nation's stockpile". on the website, the biden administration has pushed congress into billing additional funding for covid-19 vaccines, boosters, treatments and testing. lawmakers negotiated a bipartisan deal to purchase 10,000 dollars in fund for covid-19 funding but tha

tony ornato, a senior secret service official at the center of the january 6th investigation, cassidy hutchinson, the former trump aide testified that he had knowledge of how former president trump behaved in the motorcade on the day of the capitol attack. he announced his retirement yesterday. he has not spoken to investigators since hutchinson's testimony. >> now we have a private lawyer, right? robert costa, thank you so much. >>> all right. now to some news that is just in. the u.s. army has temporarily grounded its fleet of chinook helicopters after a small number had engine fires. an army spokesperson says they have identified the root cause of the fires and they are implementing corrective measures to resolve this issue. the u.s. official says this affects approximately 400 helicopters. >>> all right. there is a shortage of new homes. we'll show how you women are helping solve the problem. that story in 60 seconds. >>> the housing boom may be slowing nationwide, but prices remain stubbornly high, according to a new report out just today. one of the problems, not enough new home

l let's talk about tony ornato. hutchinson revealed in her testimony back in june. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm and said, sir, you have to take your hand off of the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing, we're not going back to the capital. mr. jump then used his free hand toby engle. when he told the story to me, he motioned towards his clavicles. >> he has spoken to the committee twice. that's before cassidy hutchinson's testimony. the fact that he is retiring now, did that change anything in terms of getting him in potentially to speak again? >> yeah. i think it can. let's talk pragmatic matters. you saw what happened with the fbi executives who were caught up in the whole january 6th thing, the trump thing. the entire trump presidency, esse essentially. and one of them lost his retirement and others were afraid for their retirement. that's their source of income for the rest of their lives, essentially. and once

secret service assistant director tony ornato, who is at the center of so much a former white house aide cassidy has since testimony to the january six committee, has left the secret service. what can you read into that, should that, will that have any impact on whether the committee can or will compel testimony? >> you know, it's hard to read too much into that, john, federal agents and in particular federal gauges in high-ranking leadership positions are eligible to retire when they reach age 50 and have 20 years of service. and most do retire shortly after they're eligible because they have opportunities for careers in the private sector it's entirely possible that's all that's happened here, we heard reporting that there was planning on leading before cassidy hutchinson testified. the important thing here though, is what does the january six committee gonna do about obtaining the testimony. the fact that it's no longer with the service doesn't mean he's beyond the reach of the committee. if they want his testimony, if they feel like he's an important witness who sided with -- the gon

secret service assistant director tony ornato who -- you know, his participation in the day of januarye. we've learned he's left the agency. what more can you tell justice. >> he tells cnn he's not going to work for any type of trump entity. he's obviously very close to former president donald trump. we have to wait to see exactly where he goes. for the secret service, this was a career credit service agent who went to the white house in a political role. most agencies send details to the national security council to work with the line level share of information but this was different. this was a political role that cast doubt on the secret service. i think a lot of agents will be glad to see this go away. the debate whether the agency was politicize. we'll see where that ends up. >> josh, katie bo, thank you for reporting. >>> we do have news, how former first lady melania trump reacted when she learned that fbi agent has searched her mar-a-lago home. >>> plus -- >> a dire climate forecast, new details showing that ice melt could raise global sea levels by more than a foot. it's time

tony ornada, he's a name that cassidy hutchinson echoed frequently, where she says that tony ornato,mp, was in the car with the former president on january 6th and hutchinson said that he told her about the president getting irate, wanting to go back to the capitol. we have yet to hear from him, now we understand he's leaving the secret service. i'm told it's because he became eligible for retirement earlier this year. he's leaving in good standing. he was not forced out. but the question now will be, will he make himself available to the january 6th committee and to the department of homeland security inspector general, who has questions about those missing secret service text messages around january 6th. he's a central figure in this. we haven't heard from him yet. so the questions is, will he be cooperative and will we get more information that will get us further inside that car on that crucial day to learn what the former president said. >> julia and paul, thank you very much. >>> coming up, why one year after the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan, many of the refugees who resett

ornato had recanted this story to me he had motioned for his clavicles. >> jimmy: immediately the agentslike, "who the hell let him out of his car seat? [ laughter ] i mean, how did he reach the steering wheel?" always good when you need another secret service to protect the secret service you know what i'm saying [ laughter ] a little later, hutchinson recalled how trump reacted after attorney general bill barr said that there was no evidence of election fraud. watch this >> i left the office and went down to the dining room. i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's "a.p." interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall [ laughter ] >> jimmy: knowing trump, he probably finished his big mac first then threw the plate [ laughter ] "hold up i'm furious. [ laughter ] that's right two of trump's favorite things coming together, ketchup and walls. [ laughter ] it's amazing well it turn's out melania's christmas tree -- yeah, you just got it now. okay, sorry. [ l

ornato makes him a more cooperative witness?but we do have a lot of concerns about the secret service. there were a lot of things that seemed like pretty weird coincidences and they were told to preserve all of the records 11 days later. they erased all of the records. we were trying to get information in a collaborative way for almost a year, and it wasn't until we subpoenaed them that really an avalanche of new information started to come in. so, yeah, we have a lot of concerns about the secret service. i don't want to disparage many fine employees of the department who risk their lives defending people and chasing bad guys, but there is a concern about some aspects of the services' behavior and we need to uncover it. >> with donald trump's obstruction of the criminal investigation that is at the core of the mar-a-lago search, a question of his obstructive conduct, vis-a-vis, investigations that touch him or threaten him and the patterns are familiar and the committee has shared evidence with the public and i wonder if that co

he came into the spotlight by cassidy hutchinson who said that tony ornato said the president became when tony told the president he could not go to the capitol that day. from lincoln, nebraska, this is wesley. caller: hello. earlier this month there was a report by "politics insider" that there is a growing call for a constitutional convention that is among republican strong-leaning states. i am not opposed to that motion but with very different priorities. like amending every article except maybe the sixth. host: the biden administration was offering free covid-19 tests. the rapid tests. that program being cost. ms. ginger otis reporting in the wall street journal that " ordering through this program will be suspended friday, september 2, because congress has not provided additional funding to replenish the nation's stockpile". on the website, the biden administration has pushed congress into billing additional funding for covid-19 vaccines, boosters, treatments and testing. lawmakers negotiated a bipartisan deal to purchase 10,000 dollars in fund for covid-19 funding but that got