and orrin hatch said a similar thing to me. orrin hatch was always extremely supportive of the n.e.a. and he said to me, "don't waste your time "coming to visit people like me, "who are going to be supportive all the time, "and don't waste your time "going to see people like dick armey, "who are always going to be "against federal funding for the arts. "go for the fence-sitters. "go for the ones who really don't know "what you're doing with the n.e.a. and what art--in-- for our society is all about." and yet you did not shy away from at least engaging some people who clearly were on the other side. you paid visits to jesse helms, newt gingrich. was that time well invested? i do believe it was in the long run. jesse helms and i-- we must never forget that he's a courtly southern gentleman, and he's not an uncivil person at all in person. he's quite charming, in fact. he and i obviously were going differ on many, many things, but he was an important person and an important person to get to know, to pay attention to. i tried to un

. >> plus, senator orrin hatch says president obama doesn't get it. doesn't get what? he will tell you. >> first, breaking news, president obama scrambling in new york city to try to avert what could turn into an irreversible barrier to peace in israel. in 36 hours palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas will file at the u.n. for statehood recognition. john bolton joins us. good evening. a done deal? anything the president can do to stop that filing which we expect friday? >> not at this point. not unless he does something that would fundamentally violate his principles. if he threatened to cut off funding to the united nations if it endorses this palestinian move it would stop it. i don't see any chance he's going to do that. in fact, he's gone back to washington. >> greta: we have -- tell me this, did we have to get this to this breaking point in this? we've known this was coming. >> i think the president is partially responsible. last year he said he expected to greet a new palestinian state. say by agreement, that's true. but he created the impression as time

. >> you know, orrin hatch is one of my best friends and orrin hatch and i have written a couple of songsted kennedy and sit in congress, or the senate and yell at each other, whatever and ted kennedy would go over to warren and say, how did i do? [laughter] >> and there is an essence of that, there is, you know, when you boil it all down. what our lives are about is about love and service i'm the luckiest man in the world, i'm a grateful man and i thank god every day, and 21 years sober, been a part of my life. >> mike: wonderful, congratulations. [applause] >> and i'm real open about that and all, but this is my favorite song and i wrote it with kenny asher, one of the nicest guys in show business. and there's a line in it, that i think fits nicely on this show. ♪ why are there so many songs about rainbows ♪ ♪ and what's on the other side ♪ ♪ will rainbows are visions, but only illusions and rainbows have nothing to hide ♪ ♪ well, so we've been told and used to believe it ♪ ♪, but i know they're wrong, wait and see ♪ ♪ and some day we will find it, the rainbow connection ♪ ♪ the lover,

. >> guest: orrin match and i have written songs together.endship with ted kennedy and they were sitting in the congress and just yell at each other and ted kennedy would go to orrin. how did i do? there was an essence was that and you boil it all down it is love and service. i am the luckiest man in the world and gratitude fuels my life. i am a grateful man. and 21 years sober. >> me: wonderful. >> guest: yes. >> mike: congratulations. >> guest: and i am open about that. this is written with kenny arber for the nicest guy in the show business. there is a line in it that i think fits nicely on the show. ♪ why are there so many songs about rainbows and what is on the other side. ♪ ♪ will rainbows are visions, but only illusions. ♪ and rainbows have nothing to hide. ♪ well, so e woof been told upon and some choose to believe it. note but i know they are wrong, wait and see. ♪ and some day we will find it. ♪ the rain boy connection. ♪ the lovers, the dreamers and me. ♪ well, who said that every wish would be heard and answered. ♪ if wished on th

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orrin hatch of utah is the ranking republican on the senate finance committee., nice to have you back with us. >> nice to be with you. jenna: in all the times i've spoken i don't think i've talked to you about some of the previous jobs you've had in your life. you've been a senator since 1976, but you also worked if i'm reading this correctly, as a janitor, also an all-night desk attendant in a dorm as you were trying to earn your law degree. so you certainly had quite a dynamic experience professionally. tell us what is the key to job creation having seen your professional live from so many different angles? >> i also learn ad killed trade and became a member of afl-cio and was proud of it. all i can say is that secret is unleash small business and let small business create jobs. the best way to do that is reduce taxes and reduce regulations. you know, i think we're going to have to repeal obamacare because that, that is going to cost in taxes and penalties, $1.1 trillion over the next number of years. it's going, according to the doug elmendorf, dr. elmendorf,

conference wednesday, eight republicans, including the top republican on the senate finance committee, orrin hatch,... called on obama to quickly send the bills to congress, as these deals would result in tens of billions of dollars in exports... and 250-thousand new jobs. however, senate majority leader and democrat harry reid told reporters the same day... that the senate would only take up the trade bills once the house passes the trade adjustment assistance,... or taa program. the program is designed to provide re -training and health care benefits for american workers... who lose their jobs due to import competition. according to the path forward plan that senate members agreed to last month to ratify the pending free trade pacts,... the senate is now expected to attach the taa program to the bill and send it back to the house. once obama sends the fta bills for an up-or-down vote at the house, it will hold a vote on the trade deals and on the bill combining the gsp and taa separately. if both are passed,... the gsp and taa combined bill would be ready to be signed into law,... while th

against the fire department and proceeds go to the extreme cage wars foundation that helps fallen orrinnd police officers. that starts at six. group. >>> i have got two new super fun world record breaking videos for you today. he just broke his own world record. he just road over 127 beer bottles lined up on a yunicycle. this is a record-breaking season. the second one comes from a woman who just broke the world record for escaping out of a straight jacket. >> that's crazy. >> she was? in the u.k. >> why are they measuring her with a tape measure? >> they have to confirm she's regulation size for this particular straight jacket. the previous record was 7.26 seconds. bam! four seconds. >> wow. >> unbelievable. >>> that's it for our show today. thanks so much for joining us. we're going to leave you with a music video from adele. it's the official music video of the song "someone like you." it's just released last night. enjoy, and we'll see you next time. have a great weekend, everybody. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com . >>> now abc 2news at five. >> every student we have is potent

israeli ambassador michael orrin giving a presentation about palestinian relations at the time when theting, scripted statements one by one. e-mails between members of the muslim student union show that the group knew they could be ared for this. arrested for this. now, despite an outcry from the aclu and several other muslim organizations, the men are being prosecuted. facing penalties from probation to fines and jail time. but should they get it? the let's ask our panel. defense attorneys david role and mark. all right, panel, if we can tee up the tape, because i want the viewers to see the evidence. let's show the viewers what these students did to the israeli ambassador, and keep in mind, they are charged with disrupting a meeting of you have to sort of have the intention to do it and then do it. let's watch. >> it's a source of frustration that as a person who -- >> michael orrin, propagating murder is not an expression of free speech! [cheers and applause] knox "money rocks". [cheers and applause] [inaudible conversations] [cheers and applause] >> then later i met the foreign mini

this summer senator orrin hatch of utah fighting for his life against the tea partiers out there suggests that the poor aren't doing their fair share. this is crazy talk, but let's listen. >> i get a little tired of hearing the obama presidency talk about shared sacrifice. and i hear how they're caring for the poor and so forth. the poor need jobs. and they also need to share some of the responsibility. >> you know, just -- e.j. and sam, last thoughts. what do you make of michele bachmann in that last debate? i didn't think the moderators followed up and they should have. she said, i don't want to pay anything to the government. i shouldn't have to pay --ish keep every nickel i earn. that's crazy talk! isn't it? i mean, who is going to pay for the bridges, the wars, and the fence they want built across the mexican border? who's supposed to pay for it if you don't pay anything in taxes? e.j., then sam. >> and the other thing, by the way, and it's great to me what sam brings up folks like robert taft, in our history. but the thing about government is no one benefits more than government tha

way in the background i can see orrin hatchet with a banana hammer. i would have never thought that you would see that. listen, here's in brief here is what i have to say about the boxer rebellion. one thing about this race in utah you can tell more man from the less man now. [ laughter ] i think i will leave it there i got a good laugh out of you. >> bill: the boxer rebellion was a good line. >> don't let all this stuff keep me from sending you to tonga when you take over. >> i thought you would have done that raising money for u.s.a. cares. tremendous charity to help the people. it skimp down -- stripped down to skivvies. >> al qaeda would have won. that would have been it. i met soldiers there, these kids who have lost three, four limbs. sergeant dakota myer came into the room. i'm telling you this kid is so clean. he walks in and everybody in the room wants a piece of him. is he like achilles. the kid was so humble and his brethren, it's the foundation. there at this foundation. >> steven siler was the fireman who died that day in 9/11. they won a

orrin >> and world news a fire aboard a norwegian cruise liner turns deadly. this is brand new videos show you the ship with smoke billowing as two people have been killed and six taken to the hospital. an earthquake in japan about 140 mi. from tokyo. there was no tsunami warning issued. there was a 6.0 magnitude earthquake off the coast of cuba about 375 mi. southeast of havana. earthquakes are common in that part of the caribbean. >> we have new details as the u.s. border crossing entity in tijuana has just reopened after a scaffolding collapsed. tijuana is the biggest border crossing in the u.s. averaging 50,000 cars a day. >> right now the managing director of the international monetary fund christine lagarde standing live addressing global economic policy. >> political determination and the ability to set aside political ambitions to allow for the support to be sent where it should be. this is all dark and gloomy. i would like to indicate that there is always hope. when i was in france for the partnership meeting that brought together the finest ministers

i keep hearing orrin hatch -- they are attacking poor people. >> the poor people. isn't that class warfare in. >> the poor people don't make enough money to -- to pay taxes so we resent them for it, and so it -- i mean, it's a little class warfarish, if you will. the president is really just doing something the democrats have always done which is talking about how the wealthier among us ought to be willing to pay their fair share, and for generations the wealthy among us were, and i actually think many of the wealthy among us still are, but the republicans don't want to do it. they are talking about jets. they are talking about warren buffett paying a lower tax rate than his secretary because it's something that people can understand, and it's something that people frankly don't like very much. when they find out -- >> you can respond to that, todd. here's the president earlier this week hitting republicans for using the class warfare argument against him. >> republicans are going around talking about, well, that's class warfare. you know what? if asking a billiona

if we listen to both israeli ambassador michael orrin and the palestinian ambassador to the u.s.o candy crowley today on "state of the union," they understand the only way back to the table is through negotiations. >> but the u.s. president is that the territory and the statehood can only be done through negotiations with israel. and therefore ann believes this will undermine that effort. >> we don't disagree with the administration that there has to be a negotiation. the problem is that there are no negotiations right now. we are the party who needs negotiations the most who needs an end to the conflict the most. >> israel wants peace. israel wants peace. prime minister netanyahu said he's willing to negotiate with president abbas anywhere, anytime, without preconditions on the basis of territory for peace. we have to make compromises. we have to work out all these difficult relationships and problems with the palestinians. the palestinians want all the territory without the peace. >> now, fred, obviously in one thinks that this is going to lead to the palestinian state. and tha

. >> orrin hatch for a long time -- >> congressman burgess, as well. what you see in this off-season, ohio state, the u, treacherous scandals there, tons of issues about paying for players and all that. you're now seeing an organization that has tax-exempt status in a lot of capacity. >> but making a ton of money. >> astronomical amounts of money and now actually putting kids in difficult positions and not really caring about the kids, not really caring about the academics, caring more about the almighty dollar and the bottom line. >> but they would argue they need that money in order to fund the other parts of the athletic department and -- >> correct. >> -- to put money -- >> a lot of good arguments but when you have the possibility of super conferences emerging, let's tell people what those will be. you could have a situation where the s.e.c. as we know it, the acc, the big ten, the big east, all these super -- all these conferences say, you know what, we're not going to play in the ncaa anymore. we're going to secede from the ncaa and create this b

orrin hatch never heard of the guy. he killed him. >> right, go on. >> so these right wing guys do win general elections. the idea that if you're far right you can't win is wrong. the left always gets it wrong. they always think, let us run against a right winger, we can beat him easy. i still think it's easy to beat rick perry. thank you, pat buchanan, and if i can't push bachmann, i've got to push perry. >>> coming up, it wasn't just the establishment shirts like romney coming after perry last night, the skins got into the debate as well, hitting the texas governor from the right. he was getting battered. can perry take the punches and keep on fighting? you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. >>> well, voters are actually voting today. they're heading to the polls today in a pair of special elections and house races in upstate, actually, in brooklyn, new york, and in nevada. as first read points out, democrats were expecting one to be a nail biter and the other to be a employblowout for them. but the problem for dem

orrin hatch never heard of the guy. he killed him. >> right, go on. >> so these right wing guys do win general elections. the idea that if you're far right you can't win is wrong. >> they get out the energy and the enthusiasm and fire. >> the left always gets it wrong. they always think, let us run against a right winger, we can beat him easy. yeah, we'll see. although i still think it's easier to beat rick perry. thank you, pat buchanan, and if i can't push bachmann, i've got to push perry. >>> coming up, it wasn't just the establishment shirts like romney coming after perry last night, the skins got into the game, too, hitting the texas governor from the right. he was getting battered. can perry take the punches and keep on fighting? you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. not that long ago, many families were priced out of an overheated housing market. but the times have changed. get the facts at remax.com. it's a great place to see all the listings in thousands of cities and towns. with lots of houses to chose fro

you have experienced hand in the senate finance committee with max baucus and orrin hatch and john kerry. you have philosophical balances and the lot of hearings. when i was on the finance committee we were having hearings than and a run up of what should be tax reform. tax reform. broadbased fundamental tax reform takes three years. have a hearing and ask questions and close the loopholes that if they get so charged and look across the board and make a fair tax code and take away the incentives and breaks for different groups and individuals but lower the rates for individuals and corporate tax rate it would be very good for the country and for job creation. one of the things i say to paul ryan who is chairman of the budget committee in the house, your old hero jack kennedy used to say never say the word cuts or balanced budgets without saying growth. what is it your going to do to have responsible budget? do in a way in terms of tax code and where you spend or don't spend in a way that will provide growth in the economy and we lost that second word. i would be for the broadbased fundam

>> orrin wants to talk about that. >> we can't support. we are -- i think most of us are for tax cuts. that would amount to a tax cut. as you know it was the shumer-hatch bill, one of the first bills passed in this administration. let me just say a couple other things since you asked that question. i'm hoping that he'll bring with him the three trade agreements, free trade agreements for korea, colombia and panama and submit them so that we can vote on them up here on the united states senate and the house of representatives. should we pass those free trade agreements that will create upwards of 250,000 new jobs. i can't for the life of me understand why this has gone on and on and on for this long. to get that done it seems that senator reid will have to amend the g.s.p. that's just been sent over by the house. the generalized system -- preference system, and so forth, he will have to amend that since it's a money bill from the house with the t.a.a. and then send it back to the house so we can automatically get this done. number one, i'd

michael orrin is here in "the situation room." we'll talk to him live.k times." he's here, got a brand new book out. we're going to talk about a book. got a big show, but it happens to be a big show every single day. >> that's just how you roll. thank you so much. see you in a couple of minutes. >>> meantime, this is a tough story coming up. >> and the time that i've been with hendersonville for 17 years now, this is the only time that i've seen a crime such as this. >> here's the story. this woman doesn't tell anyone she's pregnant. gives birth to twins, what police say happens next is both horrifying and baffling. coming up next, where they found these lifeless newborns and why, why, this may have happened. the tragedy of september 11 united our country. this year, as we open the 9/11 memorial in new york city, we ask that you join us to honor, remember, and reunite. you can help right now by texting the word "hope" to 80088 to give $10. [ engine revving ] [ male announcer ] you won't find the toughness of a ram 1500 combined with the legendary power o

some, like israel's ambassador to the united states, michael orrin, think it's a shame that ahmadinejadit's outrageous. i think that any country that stays in the hall while he's speaking, they should be ashamed of themselves. >> reporter: meanwhile, across the street, there's a demonstration shaping up right now against iran and against ahmadinejad. some dignitaries and about a thousand protesters expected there. they say instead of being applauded in the general asimply, am dean squad should be arrested -- ahmadinejad should be arrested. >> even if you let him in this country, he belongs in a cage in central park rather than speaking at the united nations general assembly. he is a murderer, his actions, his acts of terrorismism tend from lebanon, iraq, afghanistan to buenos be air race. >> reporter: during his speech there are traditionally walkouts by a variety of the delegations, usuallyily by the united states. the canadians, though, won't have that opportunity. they reportedly are not even sending their ambassador to sit inside the hall to listen to ahmadinejad in the first place.

in february, 2010, the students interrupted a speech by israeli ambassador michael orrin at the irvinenge county ended up charging the students. the students and their attorney argued they were singled out because they are muslim. >> anything that resulted was a result of the content of their speech. and you cannot lock people up -- excuse me, you cannot convict people in this country based on the content of their speech. that's one of the basic principles of our society. >> the orange county district attorney defended the verdict, calling the disruption by the students organized thuggery. >>> the congress is again locked in a partisan battle. senate democrats blocked a bill passed by republican that could continue to fund fema. but democrats who don't like that bill bus it pays for funding can cuts to the federal energy loan programs. a new vote is scheduled for monday, without cuts to the loan programs. but it's not clear if there are enough votes to pass the new version. >>> president obama once again urged congress to pass his jobs bill. he also explained his decision to allow stat

now, when you look at a thoroughgoing tax reform that the survey did in domenici rivlin, orrin simpsonowles, people often look at it is going to tax rates and it's easier and rich people. no it isn't. it has to look what happens to the deductions and exemptions or exclusions. those benefit upper income people disproportionally. you can do for tax reform that will be very pro-growth and more progressive than our current system. >> you ever thought about the breakdown should be an spending reductions on the other? >> there is no right max. the big point is we have to do some of each. that is where our task force and the simpson/bowles group and everybody who has studied this problem says you can't get there on the spending side of him. you can't get there on the revenue side amount. >> are you going to win? >> first of all, we got it right on simpson/bowles also and i voted for it for that reason. i think risk incentive rate. it affect did everybody and we try to think about things to family. spending reductions were returned to do thoughtfully. there was additional revenue, but again i

and quickly thereafter signed on bye senator orrin hatch and rand paulen and a few others. that a balanced budget amendment has three additional restrictions beyond the very basic provision that income and outlays must match. those three provisions are a super majority to raise taxes, two-thirds in its original form, the cap on spending, federal spending as a percentage of our total the economy or gross domestic product of 18%, and then a third restriction that many people are not aware of because it only consists of one sentence in the law, but it's a very important one, and it is one that specifically strips the court of the power to mandate the court ordered the tax increase. that is contrasted with the version of the balanced budget amendment that you remember very well from 1995 that came within a vote of passing because that was a very simple balanced budget amendment that is essentially just said that income and outlays must match. i'd like to have first leader armey and then grover talk about these restrictions, helen porth and you think they are and how they might

finally, you could probably argue maybe if you thought there might be oil like david said in yosemite orrin rock mountain national park or inside him or her whole set of places but we hope you and we would say now that makes no sense to drill in those kinds of places. some places are too special, too serious and we should not drill there. we oppose drilling in the arctic national wildlife refuge for all the time we have been around and continue to oppose that and we think that we hope with a partisan support on our side will continue we will continue to win that battle. thank you mr. chair. >> thank you mr. karpinski and thank you all very much for your testimony. we will now begin the round of questioning and i recognize myself for five minutes. i want to make an observation, because we sometimes can't see the forest because of the trees when we talk about american energy. i am very much, and i think probably most people, at least on my side of the aisle, are in favor of an all of the above energy approach. i think the more diversified our portfolio is of energy production, it is best for

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. >> the israeli ambassador to the united states, michael orrin writing in the wall street journal, until in palestine. gaza run by hamas which explicitly calls for the destruction of israel and the west bank run by the pa which says it will recognize israel, but not as a jewish state. imagine if you have a dispute with somebody, are you willing to sit down with them before they recognize who you are? it seems to me that a pre recognizance requisite. i acknowledge you have a right to exist. to ask israel to give up its attempts to control that territory without allowing-- without asking the palestinians to ensure that they'll treat israel as an equal partner in the peace, that's not only realistic, but it's dangerous. >> clayton: rabbi there's been criticism heaped on the obama administration in this regard. yesterday ambassador bolten saying we knew about this, we knew that president abbas was going to do this, we knew this a year ago. why did it have to come to this, do you agree with those sentiments? >> i think that it was a very difficult thing to head off in the sense that there was

leader dick armey refer to the balanced budget amendment offered by senator lee, and then signed on by orrinrand paul, and a few others. there are three additional restrictions beyond the very basic provision that income and outlays must match. those three provisions are a super majority to raise taxes, 2/3, in its original form, a cap on spending, federal spending as a percentage of our total economy or gross domestic product of 18%, and then a third restriction that many people are not aware of because it only consist of one sentence in the law, but it is a very important one, and is one that specifically strips the courts of the power to mandate, to a court order a tax increase. that is contrasted with the version of the balanced budget amendment that you remember very well from 1995 that came within a vote of passing, because that was a very simple balanced budget amendment that essentially just said incomes and outlays must match. i would like to have first leader dick armey, and then grover norquist talk about these restrictions, how important they are, and how they must function, beca

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ó senator's a cocotte, orrin,óó clyburn, brown, mccaskill.s not here,óóó senator moran is not here so weó will go to senator begichóó petraeus genex before mr. chairman. let me if ióóóó can follow-i can and regards to mr berry to follow-up on that i understand the 6.9 billion, you don't question that. you want to give it to the post office sooner rather than later. we all agree on that. the 50 billion give or take, do you agree on that number? i am to stand you've got the process convoluted between the sides so do you agree on the number? >> it would take -- we would need to get the actuaries on all of the parties in a room together. >> but you said you had asked where eagles do the work. >> i appreciate your message that we are following the law because that is what has driven our interpretation is applying the standard of the law. the law has us do this on an annual basis and not look forward in terms of the issues that you heard mr. levy discuss on a fair and equitable. >> the work that your editorials did, did they indicate any o