to use the osama bin laden analogy. osama bin laden was killed. upon he was a key leader. he was the architect of 9/11. his death did set back al qaeda tremendously, but in this vacuum, isis came up and isis was brutal and i don't know if kwu can say worse than 9/11, but it was equally aggressive including bataclan attack. so will this blow to -- to -- to hamas and yahya sinwar and the hamas leadership be the death of hamas or will it be the rebirth of something that is pot shally just as radical or even more radical because how do things improve? what is the offramp for gaza? the gaza strip has been devastated. more than 40,000 people killed there and two-thirds of the buildings, i believe, is the latest estimate has been damaged or destroyed and a tremendous amount of misery and suffering and a sense of hopelessness and hopelessness breeds extremism. so this could be very important tactically and very important psychologically for the israeli people. it could have direct consequences and perhaps very devastating consequences for the hostages. we don't know. we'll have to

and the united states killed osama bin laden . revenge or osama bin laden. revenge or justice? a bin laden was probably not a future threat. he was being punished for what had happened in the past. how do you feel about that? >> yeah, i mean, again, i think, you know, if we're talking revenge, as in, you know, the sort of the things that the germans used to do where they would round up a village in revenge for the in france, for the resistance killing a german soldier, obviously, that is completely wrong in terms of targeting bin laden, although he was not in his in his at that moment, at the peak of his powers. i don't think it was just totemic revenge. i think it was also because ultimately he was also because ultimately he was the head, even if at that moment rather disabled head of an organisation which was a clear and present danger to the united states. i think that justified that . justified that. >> thank you very much, panel, for your views . >> thank you very much, panel, for your views. i think you've highlighted the ambiguity of the whole thing. none of you has been

captured, but it is usually significant, for its release, it's as significant as the killing of osama bin ladend interestingly, the former cia chief, and before that central command command —— commander, says it may even be more significant, because whereas osama bin laden was holed up in his villa in pakistan, not really able to have much operational impact on al-qaeda because he was so worried about being found, which she was in the end, this guy, yahya sinwar, was commanded hamas, so backin sinwar, was commanded hamas, so back injuly, onjuly 31 when an explosion went off in the to run which killed ismail haniyeh, his predecessor the leader of the political wing of hamas, hamas announced they would make the yahya sinwar the new leader of hamas altogether, which was a deliberate and conscious decision to send a signal of defiance that they were not going to go down a more compromising route, they appointed the most hard—core opponent of israel they could possibly find, a man who is been steeped in violence and opposition to israel. he spent 22 years and israeli jails, learned fluent hebrew. ev

i and in fact, they were the hundred both yahya sinwar and osama bin laden i had bounties on their headss literally and in the case of bin laden, of course, there was a major intelligence efforts in a major operational effort that went after him in the case of yahya sinwar. the same thing. the difference is at least appear to be at the moment that the intelligence piece and to be deliberate planning to go after him were part and parcel of the whole operation you had to have that special operation in order to eliminate him with the is sinwar, it appears that israeli patrol on foot found engaged three terrorists and he was one of them so in that sense the meeting of him with these israeli soldiers was coincidental but everything was shaped in both cases by the broader intelligence and operational environment that each of these leaders, of terrorist leaders found themselves and colonel, i mean, obviously, we can show them just yet, but there are photos circulating of the body that is believed to be sinwar obviously, israeli officials are looking at that they have his dna from his time in pr

. - like, okay, you told me osama bin laden is hiding out in afghanistan. i can kind of see why we're going in there. - thank you, thank you! - very, very quickly, the war in afghanistan succeeded. the taliban was overthrown, osama bin laden fled, but the drumbeat started advocating that the war in afghanistan, that had been finished, should be expanded into a broader global war on terror. - secretary of state colin powell presented at the u.n. security council. powell was the man. mother teresa was the only person who had higher poll ratings than powell. - leaving saddam hussein in possession of weapons of mass destruction for a few more months or years is not an option, not in a post-september 11th world. - i saw the polls in america had climbed in terms of support for the war, and i realized immediately it was cause colin powell was the spokesperson, and i'd been part of that. later i would come to rue that greatly. (intense music) - i joined the military in 2005, 2006. for me, there was this tremendous sense that there were huge problems in the world, an

according to this report, these 19 people, led by osama bin laden, were able to destroy four passenger planes with the help of a knife. 10 years after the september 11 incident, christopher bolin wrote a book titled solving the mystery of september 11. he says that the reason why i named my book solving the mystery of september 11 was because i knew from the beginning that september 11 was not going to be solved. solving the story of september 11 has no benefit for zionists. we and the people were given a pre-prepared false story to go to war based on and it was supposed to stay that way. when i entered this issue as an investigative reporter, my goal was to try to solve this issue, but as i did more research, i realized that all decisions were made for protection. it is a fake story of september 11 to promote war and hide the truth. they are either israelis, or they have a relationship with the israeli government, or they are americans who act as agents of zionism . actual investigations are needed to determine who planted the nanotrites in the world trade tower. where was this explos

origin of these terrorists come what the country of origin could be come in every country like osama bin laden and afghanistan. and my book, which were not her talk about the book, but in my book you will read that i say when we went into afghanistan then, we didn't stay long. and then in his book president george w. bush whom i have the highest respect for but disagreement on iraq, going into iraq, he says we routed the taliban. routed ain't good enough. crush is what we have to do. they routed them. they headed for the hills. they just waited for the opportunity to come back, and they will infiltrating all along. so we should never have left unfinished business in afghanistan when we did then in order to go into iraq. and when i went to iraq to visit the troops, right -- >> you could've made the decision, you mention one thing she picked up in his book which is you say it's not a blow-by-blow political memoir but it is one of the passages you picked out in opposition to. >> when we went into iraq with jack murtha and mr. hopson who just passed away from ohio, we talk to the troops right with

was that song osama bin laden? because obama killed it.'s not the first time a president has quoted a rap song. who can forget jfk's immortal words. >> ask not what your country can do for you. ask... turn down for what. ♪ ♪ >> stephen: yeah. he said that. at another event earlier in the day, tim walz dropped this diss track about elon musk's recent appearance at a trump rally. >> look, elon's on that stage jumping around, skipping like a dip[bleep] on these things. [cheering] >> stephen: skipping like a dip[bleep] oooh, that is a top-tier midwestern dadslam. it goes "mister," "pal," "knucklehead," "real piece o' work," "bozo," "dip[bleep] and "silently stands up and walks to garage." [applause] skippin' like a dip. yesterday, trump held a rally in greensboro, north carolina, where he commented on a recent campaign stunt where he pretended to work at a mcdonald's. >> as you know, we had a little trip to mcdonald's a couple of days ago. and those french fries were good. they were good. they were right out of the, uh, they were right out of

it took us ten years to find osama bin laden because he escaped into pakistan. fact they were able to contain him and continue operations despite the context in which the war has unfolded and keep him even within gaza where at times you could enter a tunnel in northern gaza and come out in rafah. they found long, two mile tunnels going underneath the river beds that separate northern and southern gaza. a lot there on his inability, actually to stay hidden and having to be staying there, where he was hiding in areas where, you know, the international community said don't go to rafah. don't go there. the fact that he was hiding there, doing this, i mean, i think it's -- and i listened to some of the prior commentaries. this is the biggest chance for peace because the actual butcher of gaza, yahya sinwar, is dead. so the hurdle to returning the hostages home, the hurdles to improving the situation for the palestinian people, one of the biggest hurdles, this man is now dead. >> john spencer, thank you very much. we do appreciate your expertise on this. we want to ta

then we caught osama bin laden, but we kept going. and look what happened. with a very, very bad ending. and you look at afghanistan now, it is run by the taliban, women are in the stone age again, and it's all the progress and hope lost. i don't think he's learning our lessons, and i suggested to him that he has a really good opportunity here for the remainder of his term to build a peace structure around israel and create opportunity for palestinians, if they see opportunity, these proxy terrorist movements will decline . and that it seems to me is the long term vision for israel's security, and he will go down in history as a peacemaker for israel. >> let me get you on something else on ukraine. i have seen reporting that north korea is sending troops or helping russia. what does that do to the dynamic in the calculus here? can the united states and nato and the western alliance avoid getting more directly involved in ukraine? >> well, doing nothing or letting russia win with help, enormous help from china, north korea, and iran, there is this alliance of

this for us is even greater then the killing of osama bin laden. it is that closure.ividual commanders saying i will give up the hostages i have come forward with my hands raised. if they do that, they will not be harmed. the majority would say they can go wherever they want to go as long as you give us the hostages back. >> asked about israel basically launching a response to the october 1 missile attack from iran. >> i know they are serious about hitting back. i think it will be hardhead. the more you can diminish iran hezbollah and hamas, better for the region. i think a normalization is the key. >> what are the expectations for israel against iran. >> that is absolutely right. it cannot be eight tit for tat. an action that iran will respond >> behind i need 9.9% of the violence. that is the

that's like us getting rid of osama bin laden.should also open up that window where we can get those hostages home. understand israel has the right to defend itself. work with others in the region so we can help them normalize the relationship and move forward toward having a two state solution, which will then change the region into a peaceful area forever. >> all right. thank you, as always for being with us. new york congressman gregory meeks. now let's go to michigan. join me now is democratic attorney general dana. earlier today, vice president kamala harris held a rally in your state. let's take a listen to some of it. >> i keep talking about, somebody just needs to watch his rallies. if you are not really sure how to vote. he spends full time talking about himself and mythical characters. not talking about the working people, not talking about you, not talking about lifting you up. >> attorney general, how well is she resonating with critical michigan voters? >> well, firstly, the vice president has been to the state of mic

i have now successfully -- almost like us getting osama bin laden.e october 7th attacks. he could declare victory and go home. but we have been expecting benjamin netanyahu to go home -- for many months now and he has not down that. so we don't know. it's a little early to say. i think some people hope this could lead to perhaps a cease-fire and i think there is good reason to hope that, but who knows is the point because of the same way that yahya sinwar was sort of forged in battle, born in gaza, he was forged under the occupation, there is something that charles q. brown, the chairman of the joint chief of staff often says, which is that for every hamas militant that israel is killing, they may be making five more. so i think it's one of those times where we have to wait and see, i think. >> helene cooper, said well. general mccaffrey, thank you guys. joining us now independent journalist, based in israel, we'd like to go to you to end our shows on these big days. today is a pig day. i hope you can bring us inside of the israeli psyche. >> well, i

army rangers and delta do is kind of the osama bin laden raid or the raid that took the leader of isis. those two guys and now gals, are the best in the world, find, fix, and then finish our enemies. in the case of osama bin laden, and the deaths of pakistan in the middle of the night, president of the united states watching over our intelligence feeds. get in there, two bullets on the four head and get out. that type of highly specialized raid, direct action read, again they are the best in the world at it. we can do that as well as green berets but we have a very different and much broader mission sets. in our training, we have to learn multiple languages. we have to blend in. we have to specialize in certain parts of the world. south central america. africa, the middle east. you take just a few of us, no matter -- no more than 12, embed us with the tribe, and warlord, freedom fighters, gorilla warfare that is fighting against an oppressive regime. or even a partnered allied terry. we operate by, with and through. the short way i say it is, the seals and rangers find our enemies and

the closest figure israel has to osama bin laden type. to put it -- we talked about this before.cale and proportional sense. when sinwar and his team and hamas orchestrated on october 7th was the equivalent on a population basis to 33, 9/11. his elimination is a moment and inflection point and honor it and marvel at it as such. however, it's not just this one clip you just played, although that's so darmg. the administration went to extraordinary lengths to keep israel from going into rafah. their big concern quote, unquote going into rafah among other things. a number of concerns they had. one of them was israel would not be able to move the civilian population out of rafah for israel to engage in the operation they needed to do and civilians would be at risk. for all the pressure and pressure, once israel did it did if he file answer of the administration, they moved close to a million people in ten days. they were always capable of doing that. this is a pattern throughout this war. while the biden administration has done extraordinary work getting israel the munitions it neede

for the nation of israel in may of 2011, i'll never forget the night that i got the news that osama bin laden at long last been killed by american special forces yahya sinwar is the equivalent of osama bin laden a terrorist who killed thousands of people. innocence in a long-planned plot that struck a deep blow and for which justice had to be done. this is a moment as significant is that yeah. >> and you use the word justice several times and i think that is not something that we can lose sight of. and i'm glad that you brought that up because this is a singular horrible individual and the connection and the comparison to have been lawn is noteworthy for american audiences, senator, thank you so much for being here really appreciate it thank you, dan i want to go back to mj lee who broke this story for us. mj. what are you learning about the circumstances? of sinwar's death? >> well, dana clearly in the coming hours we are going to get a lot more information probably about just the circumstances surrounding yahya sinwar death. just where was he and how did it happen? you know, this mastermind

taking out osama bin laden and how al-qaeda had a very difficult time. as not able to reconstitute itself ultimately after the killing of bin laden has hamas essentially been crippled in in the same way or in a similar way, do you think was a very decentralized organization that has a lot of i would say operational flexibility in the sense that it didn't have one center of gravity that you could strike. and take out the organization. but as the war went on and more, and more military and political leaders of hamas were killed by israel in part of the fighting everything kind of got central i asked around in sinwar, the political overseas leadership of hamas ismail haniyeh and others. one was eliminated and others are, have become less significant. and that concentrated almost all of the executive and political power with ucs, sinwar. and that's a dangerous thing for a terrorist organization. station to do because if and when he is taken out, which he eventually would be, then that leaves a very big void. and now there's a challenge for hamas and for all o

they were flanked by mostly men, white men with osama bin laden, beards holding, assault rifles. and because indiana an open carry state, there was nothing that the police or any other authority could do about it. so you had these this this multiracial, multi gendered coalition of teenagers and 20 somethings and some of their parents and relatives, peaceful marching around the square and with menacing looking white guys holding guns in their direction. i end the about political violence with the question what happens when they decide to shoot and that relates to at a recent turning point usa turning point usa is kind of the maga youth you know the nazi youth reincarnate. somebody asked charlie kirk, leader of the organization, when do we start to use the when can we just start shooting these? and kirk said we shouldn't do that, but very revealingly he didn't say we shouldn't do that because to kill innocent people is wrong. you know, that would be woke to say that murder is wrong. instead, he said it would play into hands and it would allow them to depict us as fascists and viole

you're hunting terrorists, and i participated in the team that oversaw the operation against osama bin ladenhave to create your own luck. you've got to force the adversary to make mistakes. that's ha the idf did for over a year. they drove sinwar out of the tunnels. he was aboveground, in a small group, separated from the hostages. and this was kind of a lucky break that the idf caught, but they've been pursuing the mastermind of october 7th for more than a year, and today justice was delivered. >> you have a piece online for msnbc, and you argued that sinwar's death presents an opportunity for israel. how is -- what -- first of all, what is the opportunity? how does israel take advantage of it? and what i'm wondering is who does israel negotiate with now? obviously, they are not speaking directly to hamas, but who is the lead negotiator? >> the opportunity is to get the hostages back. the 101 hostages that remain, including, simone, seven americans. four we believe to be alive. four we believe have been murdered in captivity. excuse me, three in captivity. and we want their remains back. so

in the case of osama bin laden, and the -- in the middle of the night in pakistan. president of the united states watching over our intelligence feed. get in there. two bullets on the forehead. and get out. that type of highly specialized raid direct action raid, they are the best in the world at it. we can do that as green berets but we have a much broader mission set. in our training, we have to learn multiple languages. we have to blend in, we have to specialize in certain parts of the world. south central america, africa, the middle east. and you will take just a few of us, no more than 12, and embed us with the tribe, with a warlord, with freedom fighters. and guerrilla warfare, that is fighting against an oppressive regime. or even partnered with an allied military and we operate -- so the short way i say it is, the seals and rangers find our enemies and they do bad things to bad guys. we find our friends, and we would rather have them do it for us. case in point in my second tour, and i talk about this a bit in the book, there were three of us, me, a communic

going to a gas station and i bought this, which i'd probably buy again, and it was a picture of osama bin laden and it just said like, "locked and loaded." this was a huge part of our culture, and it really emboldened a lot of people who already probably wouldn't like someone that didn't look like them. (gun firing) i knew that the world was gonna be totally different, for all of us, it changed. but for muslim and arab americans, it changed a lot. - [newscaster] as a nervous nation goes on guard against terrorists, there's growing concern about discrimination and acts of violence against innocent people of middle eastern descent. - the first hate crime after 9/11 was against balbir singh, a sikh indian man in arizona. - [newscaster] his temple fears anyone who even looks like america's new enemy is a target. - bigots aren't nuanced. i'm 20 years old, i'm at uc berkeley, i get hate mail for the first time in my life, and i get told, why did i bring down the towers, and why do i hate america? i'm like, why did i bring down the towers? i'm 20 years old, i'm born and raised in this country. - [voic

is when they take the position hamas is somehow the good guy, these are the people who declare osama bin laden was probably justified. isn't he just -- he wasn't. a goodhearted person who wishes the best for his children. no he isn't. what you get the idea is anybody who is attacking the west is doing so for good reason. because in the end, the west is bad. this is the lessons of october 7. despite the west's desperate attempt to go back to sleep, the reality is israel was attacked because it is perceived as a western country. it was specifically chosen because it is an element of the west. it is not that radical muslims and members of hamas, the radical left, that they hate america because they hate israel. because israel -- they say it themselves. colonial outpost to the west, you are not hiding the ball. colonial outpost of the west, what do you think they think of the west directly? >> a phenomenon that came to yale in a significant way after the attack was media bias and censorship of what hamas actually did on the ground in israel. weeks after, it was well reported across the country, ou

the dust settling now on the killing of israel's most wanted man considered the osama bin laden for the israelis. secretary of state antony blinken getting ready to go back to israel out of berlin where the president is now, joe biden. the world watches now for how the death and killing of sinwar will impact this war and the greater middle east. state department now, gillian turner follows that. hello. >> hi, bill. good morning. sinwar's death a tremendous victory for all the nations in the world working towards middle east peace right now. the reality is that in this moment it raises a lot more questions than answers. nobody yet knows who hamas will choose to replace sinwar in the leadership. the one thing everybody at least senior official eaves in the u.s. agree on there is suddenly a lot of hope now for the hostages remaining in hamas captivity. >> now with mr. sinwar's passing it underscores for us how urgent it is to see what we can do to get the hostages home. >> that sentiment echoed here yesterday by secretary of state antony blinken and matt miller at the white house by the na

i have heard and i agree with the comparisons to taking out osama bin laden. it's really at that level within the context of the middle east. point two to be made is, i am hopeful that this opens some new possibilities for a cease-fire. i think we heard already from the prime minister of israel that perhaps the war will simply continue as it is. let us hope that there can be a path to cease-fire, calming the situation in gaza. hamas is effectively broken as an organization. their ideology will perhaps continue on. i think, frankly, in the end, many of the palestinians in gaza will be happy to see the back of yahya sinwar. third and finally, from a u.s. perspective, this is the moment for the biden administration, my view, to redouble their efforts at the cease-fire piece of this. i think it's a given that israel will continue combat north in hezbollah territory, but i think there is a possibility here. i don't want to state it, don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but let us hope there can be some life breathed into the cease-fire. >> richard, tom friedman ha

was exactly right when in his statement yesterday, he liked in this moment to the killing of osama bin laden and how americans felt at that moment that sense of this mastermind is terrorist mastermind having brought in, brought to justice i think is what many is israelis are feeling today. >> but unfortunately, i think we don't have that same sense of closure that many americans did with the killing of bin laden. because of course, the war is indeed ongoing. we still have 101 hostages who are still being held by hamas in gaza. and of course, we learned just yesterday that five young israelis have been killed in the war in the north. and so i think there's rachel eagerness here in israel to bring this war to a conclusion. >> there have been increased calls, i would say even a wave of calls over the past 12 hours or so from israelis calling on their own leadership to do whatever they can to seize the opportunity and bring those hostages home. we heard the prime minister himself, netanyahu say last night that anyone who produces evidence, information about the whereabouts of hostages will be gi

just like when obama, when osama bin laden was, was eliminated. this did not end the entire war. this was an and step and we are on our way to vanquishing hamas and eliminating them so they cannot rise again. but it is going to take determination of time. it has not going to happen overnight so is israel going to de-escalate operations in gaza now after taking out sinwar who were killed and taken hostage. >> seven of them are still underneath the ground to leave them behind along with 101 israelis to leave them behind from a regime that took them so that they you can stay surviving is also not, not at all a possibility. israel cannot now, while hamas is teetering, not deal, hamas the final blow can we imagine in world war ii, if we had left an ember burning of nazi germany oren pulisic, japan, and there were a lot of voices that said we should, however, united states carried it through to the end. and today we have a germany and japan that are peace-loving nations it is the same thing both for the people of gaza and for the people of israel this has got to be seen through to the

in pakistan, the prime ministers brother was accused of taking money from al qaeda chief osama bin laden. my colleague last week told you al qaeda is again growing in the region. how do you feel about having political leadership who have taken money, according to their own party members, from al qaeda leaders? s how do you have political leaders like that in a country where you know terrorism is growing again over there? sec. singh: i don't have anything on the reports you are referencing. al qaeda does remain a threat we monitor. do you want to ask your final question? reporter: my last question is, we have had government officials being kidnapped. we have had judges being threatened. pictures in their bedrooms taken. again, fingers pointed at your allies and friends on the battlefield. again, i want to say, do you think that should take these things into consideration? do you raise these concerns with your friends and allies who go to military colleges to get their degrees on stuff? do you ever discuss these things with them? sec. singh: i am not familiar with the report you are refere

that's another way to look at and the comparison with what happened with osama bin laden. and very quietly the united states dumped him in the ocean before anybody really celebrate him is i think a false narrative at this point, israel has been incredibly open about what they're doing and allowing others to evaluate it. >> yeah, it's certainly see why they would put that out for domestic consumption. but how it could backfire elsewhere in the region. general spider marks, thanks so much for joining us today. >> alex. thank you. >> and coming up nearly 2000 pages of documents, were just unsealed in special counsel jack smith's election subversion case against former president donald trump. include new details about what trump was doing as the capital riot unfolded eastern on cnn, type two diabetes discovered the ozempic tries a1c cv risk and lost some weight in studies the majority of people reached an a1c under seven and maintained it. i'm under seven ozempic lowers there risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known h

did not release video or pictures of osama bin laden after his killing buried him at sea in an undisclosed location. so that there was no place for his supporters to honor him israel released video of sinwar's last moments. do you worry that that gives energy to terrorists? >> no, i don't look, i think the terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, we're going to say what they're going to say about ya sinwar and do what they're going to do no matter what, no matter whether there were images released or not. i just hope that everyone across the region and everyone across the world will remember who yahya sinwar actually was and what his legacy actually is. it's not just that he launched this attack that killed 1,200 people, including men and women and little babies children, elderly, and took little babies and children, hostages, continues to hold hot, continue to hold hostages to this day. but it's also that he unleashed the conflict that has killed more than 40,000 people inside gaza, killed more than 40,000 palestinians, including many of them civilians that is ya-ya sinwar's legacy is a blo

thank god has given us a right to ignore what our enemies are saying and doing we did that with osama bin ladenth china right now china is not hiding what is saying educated people's work which they say is a total war, they talk about malicious terms almost every day and we have a political system that says we can cooperate with the chinese. i believe that they must destroy the u.s. they believe were next essential threat not because of anything we say or do is because of who we are there worried about the inspirational impact of american values in the form of governance on the chinese people which means will never have amicable relations as long as the communist party rules it. maria: or as long as xi jinping is in charge he is modeling himself. >> it's his hero he reviewed him as a high school student did not play with the other kids what he was doing was studying i ideology and we see the policies and domestic and foreign policies of xi jinping. maria: more important is our response, there's been no response no effort whatsoever to hold china to account to any of this. now we have worries ab

origin of these terrorists come what the country of origin could be come in every country like osama bin laden and afghanistan. and my book, which were not her talk about the book, but in my book you will read that i say when we went into afghanistan then, we didn't stay long. and then in his book president george w. bush whom i have the highest respect for but disagreement on iraq, going into iraq, he says we routed the taliban. routed ain't good enough. crush is what we have to do. they routed them. they headed for the hills. they just waited for the opportunity to come back, and they will infiltrating all along. so we should never have left unfinished business in afghanistan when we did then in order to go into iraq. and when i went to iraq to visit the troops, right -- >> you could've made the decision, you mention one thing she picked up in his book which is you say it's not a blow-by-blow political memoir but it is one of the passages you picked out in opposition to. >> when we went into iraq with jack murtha and mr. hopson who just passed away from ohio, we talk to the troops right with

this is akin to us getting osama bin laden.l like we finished the war on terrorism without killing him. i think this enables all sorts of new possibilities for netanyahu and how he is going to deal with this terrorist threat. >> dana: one last thing. overnight i understand the b2 bomber was used to go after some of the houthis. that is a heavy strategic bomber. you know that better than anybody else. the houthis illegal attacks continue to disrupt the free flow of international commerce and put innocent civilians and partner forces lives at risk. a comment about the b2 bomber and remind everybody iran is the puppet master here as well. >> well, i'm glad we finally have used some seriously heavy weapons and missiles and the rest to try to take out some of the houthi capability. sometimes the way it's been described to me we're only hitting the launchers when they become visible to us on radar or drone. i think they wanted to go deeper and destroy some weapons caches. if it proves to be the case i think that is an improvement ove

the most wanted fugitive behind osama bin laden. everybody said, no one will ever catch him. andrea canning: but he and his team did it in the most astonishing way. surprised you? i couldn't believe it. andrea canning: the american agent who helped capture el chapo comes out of the shadows. i didn't know who we'd be able to trust. andrea canning: exclusive details of this white-knuckle manhunt. we jump out of the back of that helicopter-- pure chaos. andrea canning: pictures seen here for the first time-- secret drug dens, hidden escape routes. he's like a harry houdini. every single time you got close, chapo would escape. it was beyond imagination. to catch the bad guy, you got to become the bad guy. andrea canning: you're inside this real-life thriller. this is it. he's there. he's there. lester holt: it was like living a movie. [helicopter whirring] [gun fires] [explosion booms] hello, and welcome to "dateline." he was the infamous kingpin who inspired fear among criminals and law enforcement on both sides of the border. his name was el chapo. for over a decade, he evaded

so when they are going after osama bin laden and they need to know where the rest of their team is, theycannot be thinking about what is going back at home, they cannot be ruminating about what is not going well in their lives. they have to be focused on the mission and today we could be trading the people in this country to have the ability to lot -- to not let their reactive brain sabotage them. our country today is at war with itself because we are all stressed, it's a toxic environment, we are in reactive mode. if i meet someone i totally disagree with, i know that internally i am reacting to them, i don't. i take it down a notch. i engage. because i've been given the tools to do it. peter: one of your profiles in your book is someone named harry mcmurray. who was he? >> my cousin mark's son who died by suicide. harry was a wonderful young man. my first cousins on my mom's side we would often spend summers together, we grew up together. most people know the kennedy side of my family, but my mom's side, many of the illnesses that affected me are from my mom's side. so mark, my first c

asked about criticism from mcraven who oversaw the raid that killed osama bin laden trump responded by a hillary clinton backer and an obama backer and said wouldn't it have been nice if we got osama bin laden a lot sooner than that? trump with kelly, milley and esper sort of walking the knife's edge would have bross them back to active duty so that they could be court-martialed. that is his vision for how to treat members of the military who are in his telling not like hitler's generals, not loyal and obedient. >> yeah. and remember the people who are lying for him now about what happened here are the same people he is going to put back into power in the white house. there will be no bill barr. there will be no jim mattis. there will be no john kelly. there will be no don mcgahn. there will be no esper. there will be no one who is capable of saying to this man no. you can't do this. this is not loyalty to the constitution. this is not the rule of law. this is not how you use the military. and he tried to do this in his first administration. he tried to put john kerry in jail. he tried

. kill or capture osama bin laden.ding in the way of taking the right operational decisions for our national security and for our national security and for protecting the lives of the brave men and women who serve in our special forces . our special forces. >> the foreign secretary has warned. the situation in lebanon is volatile, as he repeated his call for britons to leave while they still can. his comments come as the israeli army says it's begun a targeted ground operation against the iranian backed terror group hezbollah, with artillery fires reported in the southern parts of beirut. hezbollah has reportedly responded with artillery fire into israel. it's the first time since 2006 that israel has had boots on the ground inside lebanon. this all comes as the uk government has chartered a commercial flight to help british nationals leave. the plane is due to take off from beirut rafic hariri international airport tomorrow . international airport tomorrow. david lammy says the situation could get much more dangerous

going back and forth with you about national security and osama bin laden, important, heavy stuff.look at that. >> you put bin laden and the organization at a business. >> i was asked this on fox news. you did your little conservative hit job on me. what i want to know, it was a pretty legitimate question but i want to know how many people in the bush administration you asked this question to. i don't believe you asked them that. >> we ask plenty of questions. >> educate us how you approached that, how it felt in the moment. he was alleging you were somehow biased and raising things in a political manner or feeding the audience so it would repeat back the political view of things. you had a back-and-forth but since i have you here, the first time i am interview -- interviewing you, you have interviewed seven presidents, tell me about it. >> it was pretty incredible. the last time i went on youtube, which was a number of years ago, the last time i checked, there were 10 million views. there was just something on abc on the path to 9/11 and they had been critical of bill clinton. in

when they're going off osama bin laden and they need their six, which means they have to know where theirberets, special sources, navy seals where they are, they can't be thinking about what's going on back at home. they can't be ruminating about what's going on that's not going well in their lives, they have to be on mission, focused, and today we could be training people in this country to really have the ability not to let their reactive brains sabotage them. i mean, our country today is totally at war with itself because we're all stressed. it's a toxic environment. we're in the reactive mode. i need someone who i totally disagree with. i do not -- i know internally i say, oh, my god, i'm reacting to them. i don't. i take it down a notch, i engage because i've been given the tools to do that. so-- patrick kennedy, one of your profiles in mental health courage is somebody named harry mcmurray. who was he? >> harry mcmurray is my cousin mark's son who died by suicide. harry was a wonderful young man. you know, my first cousins on my mom's side we often spent summers together, we grew up

origin of these terrorists come what the country of origin could be come in every country like osama bin ladend my book, which were not her talk about the book, but in my book you will read that i say when we went into afghanistan then, we didn't stay long. and then in his book president george w. bush whom i have the highest respect for but disagreement on iraq, going into iraq, he says we routed the taliban. routed ain't good enough. crush is what we have to do. they routed them. they headed for the hills. they just waited for the opportunity to come back, and they will infiltrating all along. so we should never have left unfinished business in afghanistan when we did then in order to go into iraq. and when i went to iraq to visit the troops, right -- >> you could've made the decision, you mention one thing she picked up in his book which is you say it's not a blow-by-blow political memoir but it is one of the passages you picked out in opposition to. >> when we went into iraq with jack murtha and mr. hopson who just passed away from ohio, we talk to the troops right with initiation of hosti

>> well clearly it is very important i would liken it in some ways to the killing of osama bin laden by the united states in 2010 it is very important symbolically. i think it's questionable how much operational control he had over the remnants of hamas at the time he was killed oh so the whatever resistance is left, i don't think is going to be dramatically affected by his passing when you look in the north ambassador, you were around during the israeli invasion of lebanon in 1982. >> what do you, what do you think israel is doing, right? and what what is, what, what is it doing wrong well, clearly the targeted actions against hezbollah's leadership were highly effective and he certainly shed no tears for their passing they have enormous amounts of blood on their hands, including american blood. >> i was a survivor of the embassy bombing of 1983. and of course just a few days ago, we mark the 41st anniversary of the marine barracks bombing however, israel would do very well to remember how hezbollah was created in the first place, hezbollah did not exist until the israeli invasion o