michael osterholm, what are we doing and what are we going through in this latest surge? >> you have to understand we don't know why surges occur. what happens that suddenly gives a sudden surge and drop within 5 to 7 tops of the top surge that's been happening around the world. i expect the same to happen here. november -- in 45, weeks we will see the numbers drop tremendously. if louisiana was a country, it would actually have the highest rate of cases in the entire world for any country. that's how bad things are. that's how bad things are. it's a challenge for 5 to 6 weeks to come. >> 5 to 7 weeks schools are already opening. many in the next four weeks. children under 12 can't be vaccinated yet, and there are states that won't just mandate masks, they are forbidding schools to have mask mandates. what concerns you most against kids in the scenario? >> we have 100 million people in this country who are unvaccinated, of which i have four children. we do know that this virus transmits to and buy children readily. unlike early thoughts that this would have spared childre

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osterholm, thank you. thank you all. you definitely made us smarter on covid this morning. >>> also developing, the cdc issuing a new eviction moratorium for parts of the country with high transmission rates of covid-19. shannon pettypiece is at the white house. this is going to affect 90% of the country, a 60 day extension or new moratorium. walk us through it. >> reporter: and of course, this comes after days of finger pointing and back and forth over who and how they should solve this problem of millions of people facing evictions. administration officials had said for days that their hands were tied legally after a supreme court ruling said they couldn't indefinitely extend the eviction moratorium. of course house congressional democrats on the hill kept pushing the white house to do more, activist groups kept pushing them to do more. here is the solution that the administration has finally come up with. the cdc yesterday saying that because of this surge in cases and the widespread nature of this delta variant, they

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michael osterholm joins us now from the university of minnesota. appreciate your time and getting your expertise this morning. it seems like the country lost a month of progress large events are getting canceled, businesses as you hear from ed pushing back a return to the office. what needs to be done to get the country back on track? >> well thank you for having me, boris. let's just be really clear that we still have a very large part of our population that is unprotected. over 90 million people who are eligible to get vaccinated have not been vaccinated. so this surge that is occurring right now and primarily in the southern sun belt states may end up lasting another four or five weeks and those states and dropping precipitously, the question is still out on what will happen with the other states, will they see the kind of surges weeks later than we see if the south. but the bottom line message is we need to get people vaccinated now because we're still going to have a lot of susceptible people even after the surge is over. and we're talking abo

. >>> joining me now to discuss is michael osterholm, the director of the center for infectious diseaseiversity of minnesota. nice to see you, michael. bottom line here, why is it taking so long for the vaccine to get at least emergency authorization for kids younger than 12? >> well, particularly for the group under 12 we're still collecting data. and one of the things that we all want are these vaccines right away. but at the same time we want to make sure that they're safe and they're effective. for younger kids under age 12, what's the right dose? we surely may not be wanting to use the same dose we're using in adults. so those studies, which are ongoing, will hopefully provide us with licensed products some time yet even this year. but, as you and i both know, they can't come soon enough. >> so what is the difference, though, between a 12-year-old who is authorized to get the vaccine right now based on the data and, say, a 10 or 11-year-old? what are they really looking at? >> well, you're absolutely right. it seems like there might be a bright line. if you're just one day old or o

fagluzi, for counter intelligence ands he is the host of the new podcast the bureau and michael osterholmr research and policy at the university of minnesota he was a covid adviser to the biden transition team. good to have you all here. where are we in the latest surge? >> well, first of all, you have to understand that we don't really know why surges occur. what happens that suddenly causes big increase in cases and why do we see a very sudden drop within five to seven weeks at the top of the surge, that has been happening around the world. i expect the same to happen here. i think another four to five weeks and we will see the numbers drop. but in the meantime, we are in trouble. right now, tonight, if louisiana was a country. it would have the highest rate of cases in the entire world for any country that's how bad things are. i don't think people yet really understand it's the challenge that we have for the next five to six, or seven weeks. >> and five to six, to seven weeks, schools are already opening in someplaces and many will be open in the next four weeks or so. children under

joining us, michael osterholm the director of the center for disease research and policy.you can help clear us up. last week on cnn, and i'm quoting you hear, many of the face cloth coverings people wear are not effective and you encouraged n95 masks. senator rand paul was just suspended from youtube for saying cloth masks that don't work. the cdc still recommends a two-play breathable mask worn well as an effective option to stop the spread. i think you can understand how confusing this is for people. what's the real story on masks? what works, what doesn't, especially for kids in schools? >> it is confusing for the public. i understand why. in this business you can't nuance anything. it's either left or right, either lou or red, yes or no. science isn't that way. a year ago last april, we put out a statement that basically pointed out this virus is an aerosol, transmitted in the air, just like we see with cigarette smoke. if you're in a room and have a covering on your face and you can smell the smoke, you know you're also getting virus in there if you had an infected pe

also back with us tonight michael osterholm, the director of the center for infectious disease, research and policy, university of minnesota. he was also a covid adviser to the biden transition team back then. michael, indeed, because of the news tonight, i would like to begin with you. during the simpler days of our single strain, uncontrolled pandemic, we made it a habit on this broadcast of asking you what inning we were in in the fight. those were the days before vaccines. i'm tempted to ask tonight, have they added on innings in the game or do we find ourselves, perhaps, in game one of a doubleheader? >> well, i guess i would take it a slightly different direction, brian, i gave up on innings and i am now in quarters, which minute of the quarter it is. we really had game changers when the variants arrived. they have fundamentally changed the game that were playing. from my perspective, right now, it's all about the variant. it's about what delta is doing, would it will continue to do and what we can do about it. >> i know of your concerns to get the rest of the world vaccinated, and

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and joining me now to discuss is michael osterholm. great to see you, michael. we just heard there kristen detail some of the really confusing messages coming from top officials in the biden administration. what kind of impact does that have on public confidence? >> well, it is a challenge, and particularly when in fact the media then accentuates it by saying this person versus that person versus that person, it only make it's more confusing. i think the challenge we have right now as it was noted is we're in a stage of what i call corrected science, meaning that we're learning about a lot of things as we go and we don't have the luxury of going and publish them or putting together advisory groups then coming out months later with a recommendation. you're getting it pretty much as it happens. so i think this is going to always be a challenge, but we've got to do a much better job of trying to coordinate these messages. a good example is we're going to need a booster? we're waiting to see what happens as we get more and more people who are vaccinated, six, eight,

. >> my guest, epidemiology michael osterholm of the university of minnesota. >>> a changing country. the new census report. rural america shrinks as urban america grows. joining me are democratic pollster cornell belcher, anne gearan, republican pollster kristen soltis anderson and peter baker, chief kpous correspondent for "the new york times." welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> taliban forces seized control of the city of jalalabad without a fight overnight. they've now entered the capital city of kabul. they're negotiating with the government to take over the city without bloodshed. they're looking for unconditional surrender. president biden increased the number of troops he's sending to kabul to help evacuate americans and our allies, and the u.s. embassy evacuation has now begun in full. in just the past week, the taliban have overrun government forces, seizing control of roughly two dozen provincial capitals, often without a fight as t

michael osterholm, appreciate it. >>> coming up in our next hour we will talk with education secretary miguel cardona about sending students back to the ha and chaos is covid cases are the word continues for spirit airlines and its customers who are very frustrated and angry. this morning the low cost airline has already canceled more than 250 flights. that brings the total to more than 1700. this week thousands of passengers were left stranded. spirit blames a perfect storm of staff shortages and bad weather. errol barnett spoke with ted christie, spirit's ceo. good morning to you. what else did he tell you? >> reporter: good morning, gayle. well, christie is apologizing emphatically to passengers. he said their schedule should be back to normal by next week but that means more cancellations through the weekend. now, look, this is a budget airline so its passengers are already financially conscious and we spoke to people who spent hundreds of dollars on hotel stays, on car rentals, those who couldn't afford that, take a look at some of this video, had to sleep at baggage claim areas.

osterholm.ers out there trying to convince a family member, relative, or friend to do so now. what do you find is most effective to help people do that? >> just like we were saying there is a lot of reasons that people are hesitant, and we push all of the buttons that we can, in a way. e encourage feel have conversations with their health care providers. if your doctor knows you, your family, and your kids, that is the voice most trusted probably. other people don't have a lot of information. we have seen if the last couple years how much distrust is there. there is a lot of people grouped into partisan examples. that is the best way to get people to know that you care about them, you're trying to help them make the best decision, and you have to trust people to make that decision and sometimes they do the right thing and sometimes they don't. >> dr. scott harris, thank you very much. >>> president biden is scheduled to bring remarks to us soon. as we wait we'll go to capitol hill where a major

he will have secretary of state antony blinken, disease expert michael osterholm and richard engel who is in kabul. tune in to "meet the press" at 8:00 a.m. after this news cast. >>> as we mentioned california voters will decide whether to recall governor newsom in about a month from now. the governor is making campaign stops in los angeles this weeked. one stop was in boyle heights where he thanked volunteers who have been encouraging voters to vote no on the recall. the weekend of action will stretch into monday with a morning event in san jose. while the official election is in four weeks ballots are already arriving in mailboxes and they can be mailed back or put in dropboxs as soon as monday. >> this is about turning in the votes, which you can do today in these -- these things have stamps on them. you send them right back in. >> the ballot has two questions, should newsom be recalled and if so, who should take his place. there are 46 candidates on the ballot including nine fellow democrats. >>> violence in downtown los angeles is growing over vaccine mandates. it was a chaotic sc

also back with us, michael osterholm from the infectious disease research and policy, university of minnesota. he was also a covid adviser to the biden transition team back then. michael, indeed because of the news, i would like to begin with you. during the simpler days of our single strain, uncontrolled pandemic, we made it a habit of asking you what inning we were in in the fight. those were the days before vaccines. and i'm tempted to ask tonight, have they added on innings in the game or do we find ourselves perhaps in game one of a double-header? >> i guess i would take it in a slightly different direction. i gave up on innings and i'm now into quarters. which minute of the quarters? these have fundamentally changed the game of so from my perspective right now, it is ball the variant, about what delta is doing, what it will continue to do and what we can do about it. >> i know of your concerns to get the rest of the world vaccinated and i think all good hearted americans agree with you. but are all americans headed for a third shot sooner rather than later? not just the immuno compromis

osterholm from nbc and a point that he made that i think is very relevant. >> if even everyone got vaccinatednow for the next four to six weeks because these people would not have immunity. so what they can do today, though, is mask. but get effective masks. >> how do we get people to just see a mask as a mask again and not some kind of capitulation to the man or to some opposing political force? >> well, i think both sides need to get off the political agenda and understand that a mask is not a -- is not a symbol of courage and it's not a silver bullet. it's something that helps. and right now when we have -- we'll soon have over 1,000 americans dying again per day. that's going to happen in the next week or two. 500,000 cases. that means 50 to 100,000 americans will get long covid. for months, they'll be in pain, fatigued and they'll have brain fog. so it's not perfect. but it is -- you know, to the best of our public health knowledge, as a short-term measure, until we get herd immunity, it's really helpful. i urge everyone to do it. even those who are vaccinated. i think the data are still

osterholm and commissioner fried, i want to thank you both of you. >>> coming up, barack obama is turnings getting older, maybe we are all are. we have a special guest on that. >>> news on the maga couple who were waving guns at protesters and the hypocrisy. >>> before we go tonight, we listen to you guys, at least on some things and we'll give you an update to the story about schumer's epic power move on mcconnell. stay with us. power move on mcconnell. stay with us did you know that your toughest cleaning problems can be caused by hard water metals? they lock in residues like a glue, on your hard surfaces and fabrics. try 9 elements. its vinegar powered deep clean dissolves hard water buildup and releases trapped residues and odors like detoxifying your clothes. made with never more than 9 ingredients. 9 elements - more than a clean, a cleanse. - i'm norm. - i'm szasz. [norm] and we live in columbia, missouri. we do consulting, but we also write. [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a time. - we've both been

michael osterholm, top member of the president's covid-19 advisory board, he says face masks, masks arec director says both adults and children even if vaccinated should be masked. you can see the confusion on part of the american people, right? >> think what they have done. they have said if you had the vaccine then you ought to wear a mask. telling people what is the benefit of getting the vaccine again? there is benefit to getting the vaccine. we know with the vaccine your chance of getting, in the hospital or dying of delta covid is very low. so the, so they're so inconsistent but this is all, democrats want to control our life. we have to stand up and say we're sick of that. elizabeth: is the first thing that people should do is take a deep breath and just turn off the tv his tariqs? because media companies, they're idealogically predisposed to a certain narrative. they profit off hysteria. yes, cases are on the rise. delta variant is contagious. the point, get vaccinated. stop with the fear-mongering. stop with the misinformation about vaccines too. i mean, just, people just need

. >> you know, professor michael osterholm was on our program, a couple nights ago, and he said something which i -- i should have probably known. but the way he said it really kind of woke me up. and it certainly made me start wearing a mask, again, even though i have been vaccinated. he said that, you know, i kind of still visualize covid as -- as -- as, you know, droplets in the air. and i was still thinking about that six-feet, you know, idea. he was saying, look, if you are in a room where somebody is smoking and you are 20 feet away and you smell smoke. that's -- it's in the air. it's aerosolized and that's what covid is. so, if you're 20 feet away and you can smell smoke, if you're 20 feet away, it's possible that you would be breathing in somebody's covid. >> that's right. particularly, if people are talking loudly. you know, there's a big contrast. infection on planes has been quite limited. infections in bars or at parties or events where the sound level is high, so people talk above that, you've had some stunning superinfection events there. even, you know, say, choirs where pe

infectious disease expert, michael osterholm, professor, said something similar.ee a fast drop of new infections in september. how long do you think this will last? >> well, we don't know because, when you look at different countries, they htend to be mor homogenous. the united states, compared to the uk, is very spread out. and when you look at this pandemic, it has never hit the entire united states, at one time. it's always hit us, in regional pockets. one of the things about this delta variant that dr. gottlieb refers to is that when it hits an area, it hits it hard. it hits it fast. and you may be achieving a temporary-herd immunity, very quickly, in a certain area just because everyone is getting it. you've heard admiral giroir say, look, you have got two choices. you are either going to get vaccinated or you are going to get the virus because it's that contagious. >> the challenge of getting an accurate sense of how many breakthrough infections there are, senator lindsey graham, for example, is among the latest to see he has covid despite being vaccinated.

infectious disease expert michael osterholm said something similar, we may see a fast drop of infections in september. how long do you think this will last? >> well, we don't know because when you look at different countries, they tend to be more homogeneous. the united states compared to the uk is very spread out. when you look at this pandemic, it has never hit the entire united states at one time. it's always hit us in regional pockets. one of the things about this delta variant that dr. gottlieb refers to is when it hits an area, it hits it hard, it hits it fast, and you may be achieving a temporary herd immunity very quickly in a certain area just because everyone is getting it. you heard admiral giroir say you're going to get the vaccine or get the infection. >> in terms of how many breakthrough infections are, senator lindsey graham is the latest saying he got covid despite being vaccinated, how does the country get back to a place where there's enough testing on a daily basis to know who has the virus both symptomatic and asymptomatic and should there be more testing? is that imp

michael osterholm, yesterday to speak to players who are hesitant about receiving a shot. >>> turningmajor league baseball and the boston red sox hosting the texas rangers. we'll pick it up at the bottom of the 11th inning. the game tied and boston with the bases loaded. >> announcer: three two coming. this game is over. deep to right field and it is gone! >>> travis shaw's grand slam walks red sox off with an 8-4 victory. the win coupled with oakland's 5-3 loss to the mariners put boston one ahead -- one game ahead of the athletics for the second american league wildcard spot. the yankees, meanwhile, maintained their position in the postseason race. halting the braves' win streak. nine games with a 5-1 victory last night. while extending their own to ten in a row. but at least one of atlanta's regulars caught a break last night. the braves, between innings, entertainer known as the speeds, given a head start. looked poised to lose last night's race in the outfield until the fan lost his balance and there you go. face planted just feet before the finish line and, yes, the freeze wins,

oster osterholm are worried about this.in troubled, and the trouble needs to be responded by getting vaccinated. where are we on breakthrough cases? what very western will the severity of what's happening with them? >> well, for one thing, we have learned that people who have been vaccinated can be a breakthrough case. people who had been vaccinated, who do have a breakthrough infection generally will have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. they can carry the virus, but they're not going to end up in hospitals or dies from the disease. that'som really what people nee to know. please get vaccinated, and you'll be basically protected from very, very severe consequences, as opposed to the unvaccinated who will be subject to w very severe illness, getti admitted to an icu, and not survivor this. there's a big differentiation here, and we do know, too, that the delta variant is much more transmissible. they have very high levels of virus in both vaccinated and unvaccinate. >> "new york times" is saying booster shotsis could go

michael osterholm, thank you for being on this morning. i gave a blanket assessment of, but where is this heading, young people going to school unvaccinated, are you concerned the spread will continue? >> well, we are right now in what i would call an ongoing journey with this virus. meaning if you look at the southern sates who were hit hard early, florida, mississippi, louisiana, those states are starting to in a sense hit their peak, and i expect to see the new case numbers will decrease over the weeks ahead. however, what's happening in the southeast, georgia, south carolina, north carolina, kentucky, tennessee, southern illinois, what we're seeing in the far northwest, we're seeing in the upper midwest, particularly in second degree, where sturgis was held, what we're seeing in the southwest, we're seeing increasing cases in the area. the cases may go down in the deep south, we're going to see the rest of the country light up more. the million dollar, billion dollar question is how big will those increases be in those other areas. tha

michael osterholm, he was a former biden covid adviser.e virus. we need to talk about better masking. we need to talk about n-95 respirators. ainsley: here we go again. what's your reaction? >> here we go again. the mask we have been told to wear somehow ineffective and n-95 respirators. no thanks. we are in a different stable of the pandemic. we don't need masks. people are getting vaccinated. ainsley, i have got to say about the biden messaging here, i was in the administration with president trump. president trump got in front of that podium every day flanked by a panoply of experts, the cdc, dr. fauci was there. dr. birx and looked the american people in the eye and took questions for nearly an hour. he made ppe available to the biden administration. he made the vaccine available. he made therapeutics available. joe biden was handed a pretty good hand of cards. and he has squandered it. and his messaging is just all over the map and a total disaster. ainsley: i mean, my gosh, what are they going to tell us next? how is this going to af