right now regarded pakistan policy and also engage in afghanistan it should engage with pakistan if pakistan continues if pakistan brings a change in this policy and stop supporting the militants but if pakistan continues despite your nice a should have a plan b. and that should be to contain the bad actions of the pakistani military in the future ok robert it's not possible because you've written many occasions that american policy towards the pakistan of the region in general is really seriously flawed. yeah and i guess what i would say is that it's find it to say that the u.s. ought to be. trying to support civilian governance in pakistan and trying to act as a brake on the actions of the pakistan military part of the difficulties here however is that the civilian political authorities in pakistan are a pretty unlovely bunch. the lack of political support they're highly corrupt. these are not necessarily the the sort of people on whose side we want to be playing unequivocally so there's a huge difficulty there the other difficulty is that many people tend to assume that well look

pakistan because in pakistan the military has the absolute authority and if we see over the past two years the military has sideline the civilian government we saw after bin laden's killing the . government of president zardari has just subordinated all the foreign policy to the military and when it comes to the key and vital decision making about pakistan's foreign policy is the military which just makes the shots now this is unfortunately over the past week it and indeed since the inception of relationship between the two countries over the past five years the united states has banked on the pakistani military and there's no one has not helped in a significant way this have alien government and democracy in the country which is good for their for pakistan and also for security in the region and it's time to change. that policy to continuous engaging and continue to support the civil. civilian government and also this is a civil society in pakistan which are working for the progress of pakistan and on the ad a hand get a tough ally with the military establishment. and sit a clear ca

my first book of pakistan was banned and pakistan. given what martin said, i hope this program is not banned in pakistan. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [indistinct chatter] >> in a few moments, newt gingrich posed a news conference. in about 15 minutes, a look at the federal employee health benefit program. the news coverage of monday's meeting. on "washington journal" we will talk about the date doc the debate over extending the payroll tax cut. -- the debate over extending the payroll tax cut. then we will discuss the postal service's decision to reduce service to that cost with bernie becker. live on c-span every day at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> pay you a dollar an hour for your labor. it is the most expensive an element. have no environment controls, no police controls, the retirement -- no retirement, you do not care about anything but money. >> ross perot's book about trade issues. the businessman made two attempts for the presidency. the f

my first book of pakistan was banned and pakistan.en what martin said, this program is not banned in pakistan. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> coming up, making each holds a news conference in new york city. on c-span2 and, it is "the "ommunicators appea. tomorrow morning, paul tonko talks about extending the payroll tax holiday. then senator johnny siakson. and then announcement of the postal service that it will cut services to reduce costs. live tuesday at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. >> it is so convenient to listen to c-span with the free c-span radio app. you get all three c-span television networks. you can listen to our interview programs. c-span, available wherever you are. find out more at c- span.org/radioapp. >> now today's white house briefing. topics include negotiations of congress on payroll tax cuts, the arrest of the faa's administrator, and the downing of a military plane in iraq. this portion is 20 minutes. [unintell

tribal areas again passion in the future about wali pakistan hold of a pan pakistan has told them go away from something with that with pakistan is what you told them that whatever understanding secretly existed between us that is now out and if pakistan does not cooperate. drone attacks cannot go on there maybe just one or two but the scale at which they are taking place now it is not possible to maintain that again so pakistan has now all the advantages michael final not to put conditions number on india will not be in the stroller the proxy power of the cult that will create and i'm warning this for the russians and for the regional countries if india gets a place larger than life in afghanistan you have another state of israel in there and it will create problems for the whole region probably iran for. translation countries for pakistan and particularly for china so this is going to be a lot of problems ok now that is one what pakistan must say biased and must say that there will be an even handed policy between us secondly pakistan must not insist pakistan must open of course go

between us secondly pakistan must not insist pakistan must open of course goldenbridge must be left open if they want to withdraw it is good for pakistan the sooner they go the better for pakistan and for everybody else also in the region except india and except israel now if they agree that we should be given the same skater's nuclear status as india it will lead to more demand because that says sword always hanging on pakistan's nuclear. and we should say we have we had a declared deal killer power you have to accept our position put us in the nuclear club along with you and other countries this is another condition third condition that we should put to them that please tell india that if they want a most favored nation state of whatever it is they must certainly kashmir issue according to the will of the people it's human rights issue it is the right of a nation and they are simply ignoring it because america is not interested in settlement of kashmir issue. and finally we should say that your embassy here is not it's a war time embassy within are your fighting. and you have main

my first book of pakistan was banned in pakistan. given what martin said, i hope this program is not banned in pakistan. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> in a phone moments -- in a few moments, newt gingrich's press conference in new york city. then president obama encourages congressional support to extend the payroll tax cut. then defense secretary leon panetta on u.s.-israel relations. later, we will reair the forum on pakistan. a couple of live events to take about tomorrow on our companion network, c-span3. the senate judiciary subcommittee on the courts will look at allowing television cameras and the supreme court. witnesses are scheduled to include arlen specter and the chief judge of the fourth circuit court of appeals in philadelphia. at 2:30 p.m. eastern, a hearing on the supposed merger between pharmacy benefit managers. the ceo's of both companies testified before the senate judiciary subcommittee on antitrust and consumer right

pakistan is not an ordinary country it's not a large part of understand pakistan can resist and then whole region will be turned into an inferno it will light a fire which they will not be able to control so i don't think it is possible for them to do think of that pakistan has now announced it is cutting off supply routes and demanding that the us vacates the shamsi air base and with the international forces continue its operation to twenty full team do you believe the americans will attack pakistan's tribal areas again passion in the future about wali hold of a pan pakistan has told them go away from something with that with pakistan is what you told them that whatever understanding secretly existed between us that is now out and if pakistan does not cooperate. drone attacks cannot go on there maybe just one or two but the scale at which they are taking place now it is not possible to maintain that again pakistan has now all the advantages not to put conditions number on india will not be in the stroller the proxy power of the calls that will create and i'm warning this for the rus

policy toward pakistan. we want the more democratic country, but we also want a government that can deliver anti-terrorism cooperation on the ground. in practice, we always choose the latter. which means we cozy up to the military and overlook its destruction of democracy. but the only way to get real cooperation is by helping pakistan move from being a military state to a more normal country. if washington continues to bolster pakistan's de facto military dictatorship, we will get a dysfunctional nation where the public fed propaganda by the military establishment continues to vent its anger at washington. the arab spring holds a key lesson. when washington props up a dictatorship because it needs foreign policy support from it, it builds up wellsprings of poison and anti-americanism within that society. and one day, that will erupt. for more on this, you can read my column in this week's "time" magazine. meanwhile, let's get started. >>> mr. papandreou, thank you >>> mr. papandreou, thank you for joining m

and pakistan well it kind of blossomed in one nine hundred forty seven when pakistan seeks alliance with western forces to counter india in one thousand nine hundred eighty u.s. and pakistan helped train the armed forces against soviet the soviet invasion of afghanistan but things got rocky in one nine hundred eighty eight when president bush suspends economic and military aid to pakistan ten years later the us imposes sanctions after pakistan test fired nuclear devices that's forward to two thousand and one right after the september eleventh attacks george president george w. bush declares war on terror and pakistan promises to help in two thousand i'm president obama announces af pak strategy to destroy al qaeda havens with an pakistan and afghanistan and more recently in two thousand and ten the us ramps up drone strikes to record numbers and hundreds of pakistani civilians reportedly killed in the process back in may u.s. troops assassinate osama bin laden on pakistani territory and in august of two thousand and eleven pakistan gives china the remnants of the u.s. helicopter that wen

and if pakistan is not on board then the taliban aren't going to be on board the taliban and if pakistan wants to cooperate then there's a degree to which they can force the taliban's hand maybe not completely maybe not on the afghan side of the border although probably on the afghan side of the border but they could definitely definitely change the security environment now that question of what to do about pakistan and whether or not their withdrawal from the conference will make it as some people have said utterly meaningless to discuss afghanistan's future is a different question and frankly europe and the u.s. might have to begin to more explicitly place pressure on the pakistanis to investigate a number of options that they potentially have not so much on the cutting assistance side because the west does have a legitimate interest in making sure for instance that pakistan's nuclear weapons are secure but there's a number of creative options that could be investigated among them allowing india to begin to fill some of the security vacuum that's going to be left by the west allowing o

afghan government believes a lot of the insecurity is coming from pakistan, that pakistan has a lot of taliban and peace talks, and they would have seen pakistan here at this conference. obviously pakistan has boycotted the conference because of the border incident. the afghan officials are still saying that they are still confidence that they could get a lot of international support for the country, despite the fact that pakistan is not here. some are asking why there's one incident in order to boycott this, given that so many pakistans have been killed in the last 10 years. i mean, what are you hearing there from the difference political groups? >> well, if you speak to the afghan president's office, they will tell you pakistan has been arresting several top taliban commanders in the last two to three months inside pakistan because they were involved in peace talks with the government of afghanistan. they would also tell you that pakistan wants to have what they say is a strategic depth in afghanistan, that groups are their proxies. of course, pakistan denies that, but the afghan

pakistan has. a certain strategic value to china because of the completion of the highway as well as the almost completion of the port china certainly hopes that it can prove lend names to pakistan then open up seedlings to the indian ocean and bring the good voiding the overcrowded straits of malacca obviously china is no longer interested to side with the united states to pakistan against indows soviet our lines as in the days of the cold war but pakistan remains a very important ally of china in the region as person b. when the tire central asian region becomes more important to china in strategic as well as in energy supply terms now within the last ten years especially china has been encroaching on the u.s. economic dominance do you think it challenges the charges that opposes to washington and now go beyond just being financial ones. well i don't think pakistan this willing to give up a military a as well as you can be a from washington to be replaced by a system from china but certainly as w

-pakistan relations. this is about 50 minutes. >> covering pakistani affairs, having served as a south asia bureau chief for the post, from 1999 to 2002. that's when i got to know her. she was also bureau chief in kabul from 2002 to 2004. she's continued to follow events in the region very closely as reflected in her new book, "playing with fire, pakistan at war with itself". which she paints a vivid portrait of the country and its many problems. bruce riedel on my far right, a senior fellow here at brookings and himself a leading authority on south asian affairs. career cia officer, bruce has served in many senior positions in the u.s. government including as a senior director of for near east and south asian affairs at the nsc during the clinton administration. he was an advisor to the obama presidential campaign on south asia and shared an inneragency review of u.s. policy toward afghanistan and pakistan during the early months of the obama administration. he is the author of his own recent book on pak

what happens in pakistan, and i have a lot of friends there. what happens in pakistan is very hard to explain in a rational logical sense because the conclusion that i draw, are this is a country that is hell bent on self destruction. given the fact -- >> charlie: hell bent on self destruction. >> i'm not taking advantage of -- let me put it another way. i'm not taking advantages of many opportunities that we and others have presented to them that would dramatically transform and help transform their society and move it forward in a more peacefulway not only in internal conflicts but external. >> charlie: part of the conventional wisdom is isi maintained relationship with the network because they want to have a player in afghanistan if things go bad. >> well ... >> charlie: they do things that are not in our interest. >> think that that is absolutely correct. but i will go a stepurther and say that the isi is not independently of the general. >> charlie: so therefore th buck sps wh him. >> for rose that they suld explain perhaps at some point.

i would like to extend my sincere condolences well sometimes sorry isn't enough pakistan is hitting the brakes on its relationship with the us closing key supply routes to afghanistan and now russia might have to do the same if the us keeps taking advantage we'll dig into the root of the problem. and while the american military deals with literally roadblocks so you have got it share a financial potholes to deal with on the bumpy road to recovery but with threats mounting of a credit downgrade is the e.u. on life support. it's tuesday december sixth five pm in washington d.c. i'm liz wahl and you're watching our t.v. well we begin tonight with a question is the u.s. close to war with iran tensions between tehran and the west continue to escalate recent events show both countries are engaging in a dangerous political game just this past weekend iran claims to have shot down a u.s. drone flying over the country on the same day explosions outside the british embassy and bahrain this after the u.s. claimed iran is behind a plot to kill a saudi ambassador to washington right here on u.s. soi

pakistan. has a certain strategic value to china certainly is for you all know pakistan's relations with the united states are in difficulties because of the nato attack on is a military outpost last month to washington d.c. the fuse to deliver kind of policy. i guess then the government and the same time it is very significant and the top chinese diplomat when he was in pakistan he met the president the prime minister the army chief of staff arguably the most powerful soldier in pakistan as well as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the head of the into services intelligence so it seems that china would be would have been ours to give more military aid to pakistan to balance against the weakening ties between pakistan and the united states and it's also possible it's high number to mediating role between the military and the government and certainly tensions between the tool. in the recent year also. two decades ago the soviet union fell apart leading to a major change in the world'

pakistan looks to beijing for support after last month's deadly drone strike ties with the u.s. in tatters. and christmas may be coming to an end in two thousand pounds a year iraq. has only just begun in twenty minutes. three pm in moscow good to have you with us here on r.t. our top story on this day two decades ago the world's largest country ceased to exist the fall of the soviet union meant the end of the cold war and the birth of a dozen new countries but twenty years later the collapse of the u.s.s.r. still raises some unanswered questions or he's a catarina groucho beck's planes. even today many generate their own explanations for the fall of a global goliath but some putting it down to the role of just a few. ok to reach. the nineteen ninety one august coup was a turning point in the country's history with images of yeltsin standing on a tank creating a new hero yet for most here even that wasn't seen as causing a fetal crack in the soviet union it was all very sudden and shocking i mean there were people here even months before who were shoring us that this was going t

now, the absence of pakistan is unfortunate. it would have been good for pakistan to be here today to express their opinion. >> if you have said that pakistan has not done enough to back efforts to get the taliban into negotiations. what do you expect from pakistan quite concrete lead? >> we encourage, concretely, that they have a significant role to play in the peace process of afghanistan, the growth of afghanistan, it has the longest border with afghanistan, the strongest relationship, religious, linguistic, ethnic, cultural, and we are very strongly connected. we also by events in their country. -- we are affected by events there. also because the taliban is mostly in pakistan, they have their headquarters there, their presence, their sanctuaries, pakistan's role in the peace process is important because they can deliver, if they want to. eclectic you could ask one concreting of pakistan right now, what would it be? >> ps is imperative for all of us. -- peace is imperative. deliver on it. >> has your own government done enou

and pakistan relationship is on life support so what happens of ties between the two countries collapsed completely. and at the massacre of the u.s. doesn't want you to know about thousands of taliban prisoners of war killed and then burry both by dirt and paperwork because according to the bush administration all's fair in the war on terror. and speaking of paul's fairburn on the waterboarding and enhanced interrogation tactics that's right some u.s. senators don't see a problem with returning to our tortured past. it is thursday december first four pm going to washington d.c. i'm liz wall you're watching artsy. well start off today by taking a look at a relationship growing more troubled relations between the united states and pakistan seems to have reached a new level this after nato forces accidentally killed at least twenty four pakistani soldiers now pakistan is taking action kicking us aircraft out of the country the relationship between the two countries already rocky after the u.s. swooped in and a raid to capture and kill osama bin laden now the pakistani prime minister warns t

seriously degraded their relationship now with saying pakistan. is taking action they've ordered the u.s. to get out and take care of your own along with them is this a sign that pakistan is now more willing to stand up to washington. well i think you know we have to realize first of all that the pakistani state is not a monolith in fact we can do is guys down the middle there is an enormous military and intelligence establishment the general staff and the i ask that has for decades been either in fact it's war and the government pushing out of popularly elected civilian governments or it's been a sort of an interstate that really runs the country from within that's the relationship that is the most direct that this point to the process then there is the relationship with the elected civilian. government that not actually is pretty good not withstanding the remarks you just heard from the prime minister. so if the highest rank continues to go down how what does that mean for the war on terror i know there's fear that the pakistani military might c

and pakistan relationship is on life support so what happens in tie between the two countries collapsed completely. and if the massacre of the us doesn't want you to know about thousands of taliban prisoners of war killed and then burry both by the dirt and paperwork because according to the bush administration all is fair in the war on terror. and speaking of all it's fair bring on the waterboarding and enhanced interrogation tactics that's right the u.s. senators don't see a problem with returning to our tortured past. it's thursday december first seven pm in washington d.c. i listen while you're watching our team. well we start this hour with what could be one of the worst atrocities in the war on terror yet many americans don't even know what happened this month marks the ten year anniversary of the mass for that so police and afghanistan it has been a dash to lately is located in the desert of northern afghanistan near shore gargan charges that enough and warlord took custody of south of the taliban prisoners from u.s. forces and then allowed them to die witnesses say that prisoner

and pakistan moves to become buddies with beijing as ties with the u.s. whether following november's dead leaving drone attacks. you're watching our tear a very warm warm welcome it's eight am here in the russian capital and this is lucy catherine of reporting for you now on this day two decades ago the world's largest country ceased to exist the fall of the soviet union amend the end of the cold war but also the birth of a dozen new states but even today the collapse of the u.s.s.r. raises unanswered questions as artie's own. explains. even today the many generated their own explanations for the full of a global goliath but some put down to the role of just a few. true rich gorbachev. the nineteen ninety one august coup was a turning point in the country's history with images of yeltsin standing on a tank creating a new hero yet for most here even that wasn't seen as causing a fatal crack in the soviet union it was all very sudden and. shocking i mean there were people here even months before who were shoring us that this was going to go on forever so al

in 1947 no mainstream india at defy pakistan. it was not as if gandhi and nonviolence came in the way of the nation of people keen on preventing our undoing pakistan. true, a political party known as the hindu for here's lead by -- could lead could set in 1937 that hindus and muslims were two nations oppose partition in strong language but the hindu last the strength to implement its features and in any case would seem to want was not equality in the united india but hindu domination. apart from public opinion there was another reason for gandhi not to fast until death against pakistan. he could not invite the terrible killings that were bound to follow his death in a fast to prevent pakistan. when partition seemed inevitable, but was heralded by hindu muslim violence, reconciliation between hindus and muslims rather than the prevention of pakistan, became gandhi's chief goal. in this task his actions and words were again lincolnesque. here is what he said in the middle of january 1948 while announcing a fast but would not and un