panetta and dempsey were the decision makers when it came to response. we've already talked about the faft so i'm not going to get into that. what i'm trying to clarify is they were the decision makers, your people were on the ground in harm's way and you never had a conversation with them. >> i did not need to. during the turmoil of that afternoon and into the evening we knew the president had personally told them both in the oval office that he expected them to do everything they possibly could do, and i knew that they would then turn to those officers responsible for carrying out that order. they were represented on that sive vits. that's why i sat in it. remember, too, congresswoman, we had a lot of other threats coming in. we were still worried about cairo. >> i understand, but you had your people on the ground that were being attacked. i want to get back to the survivors in the little time i have left. did you talk to the survivors directly at all? >> yes, i did. >> at any point? can you tell us when? >> it was kind of a rolling series of conversat

panetta and dempsey were the decision makers when it came to the response. we have already talked about -- what i'm trying to clarify. they were the decision makers and your people were on the ground, in harm's way, and you never had a conversation with them. >> i did not need to. during the turmoil of that afternoon and into the evening, we knew the president had personally told them both in the oval office that he expected them to do everything they could possibly do. and i knew that they would then turn to those officers responsible for carrying out that order. they were represented on that sivits, that's why i sat in on it. and remember too, congresswoman, we had a lot of other threats coming in. we were still worried about cairo. >> i understand, but you had your people on the ground that were, attacked. i want to get back to the survivors in the little time i have left. did you talk to the survivors directly at all? at that point, can you tell us when? >> it was kind of a rolling series of conversations when they came back to the state department. i me

president, was leon panetta. i walked out of that meeting, as i usually do, i get to be the last guy to be with the president, we walked up toward the residence, toward his office. and i knew where he was going to go. and what i always tell him, i looked at him again, i said follow your instincts, mr. president. your instincts have been close to unerring. follow your instincts. i wanted them to take one more day to do one more test to see if he was there. >> and now, a former senior administration official involved in the deliberations tells the hill that biden did not back the operation. the official said, quote, both leon panetta and hillary clinton favored the raid. and i don't recall the vice president sharing the same view. >>> meanwhile, more new polling is showing a significant post-debate bump for hillary clinton. a "washington post"/abc news poll now has clinton in front of bernie sanders by 31 points. that's a 13 point swing since september. this comes a day after our nbc news/"wall street journal" poll

at another time, he said panetta and gates. he pointedly did not mention hillary clinton who has said that she was for the raid. kate. >> all right. kris jansing, thanks so much. we mentioned the latest nbc poll, for more othe polling on biden, the republican field, we're going to turn to msnbc's steve kornacki, hi. >> hi, well yes, certainly context for what we're seeing here. the numbers might show urge swhi it comes to drawing contrast with hillary clinton, anticipating potential attacks from hillary clinton, certainly the idea that biden was against the raid, that hillary clinton was for the raid. if he gets in this race, it's expected, that's something the clinton forces would play up. when we say urgency in the numbers, this is what we mean. this is the newest nbc news wall street poll of democrats. this is a shift in the last week. since that debate. since that debate where hillary clinton's performance so was well reviewed. you can see hillary clinton obviously is in first place, that's no surprise. i'm trying to hit th

it's the panettas, it's it the frankly the ash carters.ushing as hard as they should against the white house. >> look, panetta laid it out. no matter what he said, the cia guy and the defense head obama is ignoring him. you can't force the commander and chief to do anything. is the commander and chief. one real quick thing. >> yes. the big issue is this weekend is going to be the planes. putin is bombing the moderate rebels that want assad out. all right? and u.s. is bombing isis. it's just a matter of tomb between those planes are going to get real close to one another. do you know what orders the u.s. pilots have? >> bill, i honestly don't know. i will find out. this is a situation reminiscent from the old movie ice station soon bra where you have national powers coming at each other. simply put, you are right. the fact of a potential miscalculation both sides go at each other is huge. >> you bet. >> putin is doing things we should are been doing. is going to it stawble blis the country. i don't believe i don't agree where it's going to

did he tell you, secretary panetta it was a terrorist attack?u know what he told me was that there was an attack on our imownd compound. >> he didn't use the word terror? >> you know, in the heat of the moment, bill, what folks are focused on is what is happening on the ground. do we have eyes on it how can we make sure. >> he just want to get it on the record did he tell you it was a terror attack? >> bill, what he said to me we have got an attack on our compound. >> no terror attack. >> we don't know yet who is doing it understand by definition, bill, when somebody is attacking our compound, that's an act of terror which is how i characterized it the day after it happened. so the question ends up being, who, in fact, was attacking us. >> but it's more than that though because of susan rice. it's more than that because of susan rice goes out and tells the world that it was a spontaneous demonstration off a videotape but your commanders and the secretary of defense know it's a terror attack. just as an american, i'm just confused. >> and i'm try

maria will be sitting down with leon panetta coming up in the next hour.his take on the developing story and a lot more. maria: to last night's democratic debate the economy the top issue for voters, candidates had an opportunity to highlight their policies on low wages, small business growth in america. here is what hillary had to say last night. >> what i think about capitalism i think of all the small businesses that restarted because we had the opportunity and freedom in our country for people to do that and to make a good living for themselves and their families. i don't think we should confuse what we have to do every so often in america which is save capitalism from it sells. maria: gentlemen, good to see you, thanks for joining the conversation is that was about it when it comes to small business last night but hill redid go on to say big business is going to pay higher taxes and their fair share. what was your take on the debate? >> it seemed like marijuana is more important than small business. wear red the incentives for us to grow? where was he

i'm asking you, madam secretary, did you order odefense secretary leon panetta to stand down on the night of the attacks? >> of course not, congressman. you have raised the video and have dismissed the importance of the video i think that is unfortunate because there is no doubt and as i said earlier, even the person we have now arrested as being one of the ringleaders of the attack on our compound in benghazi is reputed -- reputed to have use the video as a way to gather up the attackers that attacked our compound. i think it's important. these are complex issues, mr. congressman. and i think it's important that we look at the totality of what was going on. >> fox news chief live onsional correspondent capitol hill. mike? >> >> greta, what we have seen today is a conflict between hillary clinton and the ambassador who is no longer alive with her saying chris stevens knew the risks involved and taking the job in libya. he was well aware of it. that if he needed to get in touch with her he knew who to get in touch with her about when asked did he have your personal email address? no. did h

why not leon panetta, the former defense secretary, because there were intersecting lines of authority. hillary clinton played a minimal role.>> moderator: the source is that there were more emails to her than any other source of information.>> the only other thing is, why was his input a little sketchy? did he have business interests? that is something the left is good at reminding us of. when somebody has money at stake, sometimes you want to take what they say with a grain of salt. it seems like hillary put a lot of credibility in blumenthal. >> the only kate -- the only thing that came of her -- of his memos, there was no change in policy. so what is all the ones we haven't seen? it strikes me that you pass along something as a courtesy and you get it off your plate and put it onto somebody blumenthal is a good friend and she's not walking away from that. chief adviser on libya? no way.>> moderator: former secretary clinton's credibility or chairman gaddis credibility?>> hillary. >> slamdunk.>> he is an oilman, it was brutal.>> moderator: would be pumpkin excitement is back at dunk

harry reid e that defense secretary leon panetta. here's the secretary of defense talking about the danger of a harbor.arl the next day -- charlie: meaning a surprise attack on america will not come past.has in the it will be over the internet. >> over the internet and it will infinitely more damaging potentially than pearl harbor was. response, nothing. i mean, i think there was a "the wall street journal." there was a small item in "the new york times." toi just sat down and i said myself, i wonder what plans, if the have been made for civilian population? so i picked up the phone and i called the red cross. picked up the phone and i called the department of homeland security. and i picked up the phone and i called fema. and i got stuck in one phone after another. i mean, my first reaction was, nothing is going on right now. no crisis. if i can't get through to any in a time e agencies of absolute calm -- panic.: >> -- in a time of no panic -- panic.e: during a time of >> exactly. eventually you get through the phone tree and find

is critical ta all of the investigations be questioned to find out more. >> and a why hasn't leon panettaraeus been called. >> we have a lot of work to do, wolf. >> they are going to be called, is that what you are saying? >> the sequence has been turned in great deal to get documents, and in many, many cases, we would have preferred to call her for months ago, but she had a private server to hide e-mails from american people, and it hs taken a long, long time on the e-mails to find out what really happened, and so we are going to call her in spite of the fact that we didn't get christopher stevens' e-mail, and we got a batch of them 72 hours ago, and we have been working on this since may of 2014. i have heard the democrats say, well, seven other committees, and none of them were able to get a hold of the e-mails and gosh, it has gone on a long time, and yes, we have been stonewalled and obstructed and we will continue until we uncover as many facts as we can. >> you believe it is more important than the watergate investigation is? in many ways this is worse than waterga watergate, beca

i called up leon panetta and i said, leon, send a hospital ship. they have 20,000 wounded in libya.d a hospital ship and help them treat their wounded. that would be the greatest pr thing you can do. no, they could not do it. they did not do anything. when you say these things into -- ended up the wrong way, the end of the wrong way because we do not follow through. charlie: and you have said, everybody knows russia is winning. senator mccain: in the short term, he clearly is. look at vladimir putin. he has been able to insert himself in the middle east in a way they have not since 1973 and he is playing a major role in a lot of places. he has been able to dismember ukraine. he has been able to take crimea. he is putting enormous pressure on the baltic countries. charlie: there are those who argue what russia is doing -- that it has built up and wisely build up its military notwithstanding is economic , circumstances -- it is building up its military so it has a more effective military than five years ago. senator mccain: his goals are much larger than a well-trained military. charl

. >> only two people were defintive and were absolutely certain, leon panetta said go, and bob gates who already has publicly said this said don't go. and others were 59-41 and some said go, but it is a close call, and i joked and i said, you all sound like 17 larry summers, the economist, and they said, joe, what would you do, and there was a third option which i really didn't think that we should do, and i said, well, i think that we should make one more pass with a uav to make sure it is him. and the reason i did that is that i didn't want to take a position to go if that was not what he was going to go. and so as soon as we walked out of the room and upstairs i told him my opinion that i thought that he should go, but to follow his own instinct. >> there is an awful lot there to pick apart, and so i call on the senior white house correspondent jim acosta to join me, as well as the senior political analyst and adviser to the four presidents david gergen and patti solis doyle who went on the lead the obama team that picked joe biden as the v.p. and first to you, jim acosta, there i

>> no, i did not. >> did you speak to secretary panetta? >> the next day. >> not on the 11th. >> no. >> did you talk with general dempsey? >> the next morning, i did. >> so you did not meet with him or talk with him on the 11th? >> congresswoman, it wasn't necessary. everybody was doing everything they could think of to do. it's one of the reasons i sat in on the -- >> i'm just trying to figure out if you did or you didn't. >> i'm telling you, i sat in on the meeting conversation sanchez was asking me about because i wanted to talk about the operational people and they were represented there. they were the ones who were saering osaer i carrying out the orders that they received from the president on down. >> what about petraeus? when did you speak to him? >> i spoke to petraeus that afternoon, because i flew that we had an agreement with the cia annex and i spoke with him about an hour after finding out about the attack and after gathering information about what we thought was happening in benghazi. >> did you -- your surviving agents were

. >> general, carter hammond previously testified that defense secretary leon panetta and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff martin dempsey were told it was a terrorist attack and they went to the white house to brief the president about it. later that night, mr. obama and mrs. clinton did talk by telephone. the next day, the administration continued to blame -- >> i remember the moment. thank you so much. eric shawn with the latest there. and more now with congresswoman susan brooks this morning. let me ask you about the testimony, six-hour testimony of huma abedin this past week. what did you learn? >> we're very pleased that ms. abedin did come and she did answer all of the questions, and we thought it was very important to ask her questions. she was a deputy chief of staff of the secretary's. she also, was the other individual and we believe the only other individual who had a clinton e-mail dotcom account. and she did transmit a number of e-mails between the state department officials, and the secretary, about chris stevens, about the mission in benghazi, and so it truly wa

panetta and john o.brennan, both of whom disclosed the identities of undercover operatives, were never charged." norman solomon, can you talk about this difference and how people are treated? >> this entire episode, which continues with jeffrey sterling, is part of a huge pattern of and then prosecution in the case of leon panetta, selective sentencing in terms of general david petraeus. and it shows how the entire judicial and executive branch process in terms of assessing a prosecuting classified leaks is just riddled with pollution and poisoned by political power. this administration, worse than any other in memory in this regard, has totally turned the prosecution of leaks into a politicized set of vendettas. i think it is necessary -- it is essential that we recognize that there is no equality ordinary equality or justice under the law in this regard. i should add that jeffrey sterling was convicted on the basis of metadata, which totally undermines the claims of this administration and defenders in

there's obviously former secretary panetta who has not so far been called to testify. we were looking at pictures of the aftermath of benghazi. four men were lost. obviously the ambassador, some others as well. a lot of folks lost friends in that time. there's the picture of the four people who were killed. have we gotten anywhere closer to preventing something like this from happening again? >> i got a call yesterday from one of my friends and i'm not going to disclose the location or where they were calling from. but they said to me they were really worried about this happening in other places. they're really worried about the possibility this could happen again. because there has been no action, no changes, no substantial changes that have been made. because of the political in-fighting really between the white house and the congressional oversight committees. until that gets resolved, our people out in the field are going to be left flapping in the wind and the world is not -- >> absolutely, it was tragic those four died. it would be a shame if they died in vain. a

we have questions of the director petraeus, and questions of secretary panetta and gates.so we will take the documents, and the witnesses that we have interviewed and complete the investigation, so i look for ward -- >> i take it that the three individuals that you just mentioned have not yet been called to testify, right? >> well sh, we have not had the date yet set forth, but that is because we also have been waiting to get all of the information, and to do a conference of investigation, it is best to have all of the documents in order to ask the witnesses the questions, and we have had a difficult time getting all of the documents for the state department and better time getting them from the cia and the defense department, but we are going to plan to call them and ask them to be witnesses before the committee. however, because of the nature of the testimony in all likelihood, it is a clas fid si setting, and not in the public setting, because of the nature of the positions, but they should anticipate they are going to be called at some point, and we will look forward t

. >>> everybody went around the room, two people were definitive, absolutely certain, leon panetta saides, already publicly said this, said don't go. >> reporter: one person biden left out, secretary of state clinton, who has long said she advised the president to move ahead with the high stakes raid. >> i was one who recommended to the president that he go ahead and his advisers were split because it was a very risky operation. >> reporter: biden didn't stop there. he made clear how he viewed the pecking order at the white house. >> as we walked out of the room and walked upstairs i said -- i told him my opinion, that i thought he should go but follow his own unstinks. >> reporter: whether revising history, it's clear he wants to be president. those are five words you hear again and again when you talk to democrats around biden. gearing up for a run, spending time on the phone today with supporters and campaign advisers but he could still back away at the 11th hour. and, jake that 11th hour is quickly approaching. one friend told me he can't let this go on much longer. >> jeff zeleny,

le leon panetta said go and bob gates said don't go. others were at 59-41. some end wanted up saying go, but it was such a close call. i joked and said, you all sound like 17 larry summers economist, on the one hand and the other. and they said, well, joe, what would you do? there was a third option that i didn't really think we should do. i said, well, i said, i think we should make one more pass with another uav to see if it's -- if it is him. and the reason i did that is i didn't want to take a position to go if that was not where he was going to go. so, as we walked out of the room and walked upstairs, i said -- i told him my opinion, that i thought he should go but follow his own instinct. >> it's really just fascinating when you listen to that, he's saying, leon panetta and bob gates were the only two around the table who had definitive yes or no answers. he does not, guys, put hillary clinton in that category. it's really fascinating. so he's kind of downplaying the fact that she said yes, which is reported. he's also downplaying that he said no, whic

i'm asking you, madam secretary, did you order the secretary leon panetta to stand down on the night of the attacks? >> of course not, congressman, and i appreciate your going through the highlights of the very comprehensive report that the house armed services committee did on this. i think it's fair to say everybody, everybody, certainly defense secretary panetta, joint chief of staff chairman dempsey, everybody in the military scrambled to see what they could do, and i was very grateful for that. and, as you rightly point out, logistics and distance made it unlikely that they could be anywhere near benghazi within any kind of reasonable time. >> madam secretary, the benghazi attacks occurred during a period of significant upheaval in africa there was tremendous unrest throughout the region. i'd like to play a clip that shows what was happening at dozens of posts throughout the world and then i would like to get your reaction, if you can. please play the tape. >> protests spread over amateur video made in the united states which mocks islam. in the afghan capital, kabul la, a thous

panetta and gates, but that's different from what we've heard from hillary clinton. so when the vice president said that today, is there any reason -- he was in that room. is there any reason to doubt what he said? >> i think historians would probably tell you that this is not the first time that a significant political event has prompted differing recollections from people who participated in it. and that is not to call into question the integrity or veracity or honesty of anybody who participated. i think it is an acknowledgement that particularly when the stakes are high and the pressure's on that in hindsight, the situation looks different. so processing all that out, you have to talk to people who were actually in the room. >> but this being one of the most important moments in the president's term and something that he's talked extensively about, is there a concern that there might be some misremembering going on here in the part of the vice president? >> for an accurate accounting of what happened, you're going to have to talk to people who were in the room. >

if the secretary of state had been leon panetta or john kerry, do you think those hearings would haven held today? al.: clearly you do not, [laughter] let me ask you -- let me play another piece of video for you on a different topic. hillary also had a chance to address the e-mails that have been getting so much political attention, much of it negative in these past months. let's take a listen to her discussion on that. i did not conduct most the business that i did on behalf of our country on e-mail. i conducted it in meetings, i read massive amounts of memos, a great deal of classified information, i made a lot of secure phone calls. i was in and out of the white house all the time. there were a lot of things that happened that i was aware of and that i was reacting to. if you were to be in my office in the state department, i did not have a computer. i did not do the vast majority of my work on e-mail. al, the political discussion for the past several months, all we have heard about is e-mail, e-mail, e-mail. expected to be a big focus on this hearing. how do you think she handled

leon panetta said go and bob gates has publicly said don't go. others were at 59-41. but it was such a close call. i joked and said you all sound like 17 larry summers, on the one hand and the other hand. and he said, joe, what would you do. there was a third option that i really didn't think we should do. i said i think we should make one more pass with another uav to see if it is him. and the reason i did that is i didn't want to take a position to go if that was not where he was going to go. so as we walked out of the room and walked upstairs, i told them my opinion that i thought he should go, but follow his own instinct. >> joe biden down playing that hillary clinton was a definitive yes ongoing after osama bin laden. also throwing cold water on the idea that he was a definitive no, but it's interesting because when you fact check that, it contradicts something president obama said at a debate with mitt romney in 2012 where he basically says that biden was reticent to go after bin laden. and another thing that's kind of interesting. this is what you know he's swi

director panetta said biden did in fact suggest that the raid should be postponed for a week to allow for more intelligence. heather: screen later. screen less. those are the controversial new guidelines for mammograms tonight. one doctor tells us the idea is terrible. newscenter 5's mary saladna is live in boston with what it all means for women. mary? >> i have the new guidelines begin at age 45 instead of age 40. >> i am surprised, i'm disappointed by the recommendations. >> dr. jean o'brien heads up the breast health center here at lahey outpatient services in danvers. she's advising her patients to stick with the old guidelines and start yearly mammograms at age 40, not 45. she says you can't detect cancer early if you are not looking for it. >> we like to find it when it's contained to the breast. dr. o'brien worries the new recommendations might give women a false sense of security. >> dr. jim michaelson, who served on the american cancer society subcommittee that suggested the new numbers, insisted these are just minimum recommendations. >> so why 45 instead of 40? >> well, it

leon panetta said go. and bob gates who already publicly said this said don't go. >> he said he had the last word with the president, not hillary clinton who said she advised the president with the high stakes raid. >> i was the one who said go ahead. his advisers were split. it was a very risky operation. >> biden didn't stop there. he said he had a hand in every decision, even choosing clinton as secretary of state. >> polls show biden in a distant third and more advisers say he shouldn't run, the campaign goes on. he says he doesn't always think republicans are the bad guys. >> i don't think my chief enemy is the republican party. this is a matter of making things work. hillary clinton was asked to name her enemies. >> in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians, probably the republicans. >> cnn, washington. >> joining me now is bill carrick, he's a democratic political strategist. we're now at the point where he has to fish or cut bait. the more this goes on

fwoingt protect all foreign service workers and repeatedly denied telling defense secretary leon panetta to step down on lessen security at benghazi site. a year ago house committee agreed with that and denied ignoring -- >> i don't care if you sent by morse code, car your pigeons -- you need to make sure entire record is correct. >> that's what i wanted to do. >> here's what happened to their requests they were torn up. > that's just not true congress sglap later representative tre galdy said she did not intentionally tell american people terrorists for responsible for astook it would not harm president obama reelection campaign just 56 days later and other committee members criticize clinton that none of her staff was fired after benghazi incident only three officers were reassigned and one resigned. >> the personnel rules and laws that govern those decisions were followed. >> i'm not asked what arb did but what you did. >> i follow the law. >> she stayed on point saying it was a planned attack it was the first time a u.s. ambassador was killed since 19 1979. >> secretary afterwards ap

. >> there are only two people who were definitive, and were absolutely certain, leon panetta said go, and bob gates, who has already publicly said this, said don't go. >> reporter: back in 2012, biden admitted he had argued against the raid. >> mr. president, my suggestion is don't go, we have to do two more things to see if he's there. story. >> i told him my opinion, that i thought he should go, but follow his own instincts. >> reporter: it's possible biden is trying the tweak his role in that pivotal decision in advance of a presidential run, but, scott, even president obama has said publicly that the vice president was sceptical about the operation that killed bin laden. >> pelley: nancy cordes in the washington newsroom tonight. nancy, thank you. cbs news will bring you the next democratic debate with or without joe biden from des moines, iowa, saturday november 14th at 9:00 eastern time. the debate will not be including former senator jim webb of virginia. he dropped out of the race today. webb is considering running as an independent. a stranded motorist is shot to death by a

kenneth: even then, cia director leon panetta wrote in his memoirs, biden argued that we still did not have enough confidence that bin laden was in the compound and came out firmly in his book, defense secretary bob gates said flatly, biden was against the operation. hillary clinton is also on the record saying, vice president biden remains skeptical, but she was for the raid. the white house refused to clear up the confusion. >> i don' t have any new insight to share with you. announce he' s running for president, this would be a major stumble right out of the gate. kenneth moten, abc news. shelley: a new poll of new hampshire republican primary voters has donald trump expanding his lead. the franklin pierce/"boston herald" paul puts trump at the front of the pack with 28% of support from republican primary voters. the group' s previous poll had trump at 18%. then carson him at 16%. carly fiorina was the only other candidate to receive double-digit support, but jeb bush was only 1% behind her. shelley: a judge has upheld the felony conviction of owen labrie , meaning he will face a of

made by wasn'tocrats that, why david patraeus sitting there as a witness there, as well, and leon panetta, former defense secretary, sitting there, because there were intersecting that night.hority it wasn't only hillary clinton. minimal she played a role. john: is it true blumenthal sent on email than her any other source? tim: yes. hisrelevant thing, why input comes across as sketchy, is because he did have business interests there and we know -- something the left is good at reminding us of, when somebody has money at stake in something, that maybe you out ot to take what they're saying with of salt and in this case it seems hillary put a lot of in blumenthal. eleanor: there's no evidence that anything came of any of his memos. change in policy, nothing in effect. it's all the ones we haven't seen? me that she was doing at one point what she said, you pass along something kind of as a courtesy and you get it off your plate and put it in somebody else's. sidney blumenthal is a good friend and she's not walking away from that. but chief adviser on libya? no way. john: whose credibility i

i think it's fair to say everybody -- everybody -- certainly defense secretary panetta, joint chiefsf staff chairman dempsey, everybody in the military scrambled to see what they could do. and i was very grateful for that. and as you rightly point out, logistics and distance made it unlikely that they could be anywhere near benghazi within any kind of reasonable time. >> now, madam secretary, the benghazi attacks occurred during a period of significant upheaval and intense volatility in the middle east and north africa. there was tremendous unrest throughout the region. i would like to play a clip that shows what was happening at dozens of posts throughout the world, and then i would like to get your reaction, if you can. please play the tape. >> protests have spread over an amateur video made in the united states which mocks islam. in the afghan capital kabul a thousand afghans held a violent protests burning cars and tires and shooting at police. in the indonesian capital jakarta hundreds of protesters through petrol bombs and rocks outside the american embassy. and in pakistan, at

it features madeleine albright and leon panetta. could it be any more generous?linton and the democrats have been on offense as of late. accusing the benghazi committee of transparent political chicanery. ever since kevin mccarthy made his infamous remarks and in the coming days both sides will be , in full prep mode for the showdown. what will it take for the republicans to salvage this debacle? >> it is going to be very hard to run a hearing like this that is not the least bit bipartisan, and this one isn't. everything the republicans are saying about how they plan to conduct hearings sound to me like a disaster in the making. they do not see very organized. one member of the house says that he does not embarrass himself. if they have some rabbits that they are ready to pull out of the hat, if they has to smoking gun, if they had some way to question hillary clinton and put her on the defensive, they could try to salvage this. but i think this is setting up setting up to be a bigger triumph for her than the debate on the current trajectory. >> i would love them

>> no, i did not. >> did you speak to secretary panetta? >> the next day. >> not on the 11th. >> no. >> did you talk with general dempsey? >> the next morning, i did. >> so you did not meet with him or talk with him on the 11th? >> congresswoman, it wasn't necessary. everybody was doing everything they could think of to do. it's one of the reasons i sat in on the -- >> i'm just trying to figure out if you did or you didn't. >> i'm telling you, i sat in on the meeting conversation sanchez was asking me about because i wanted to talk about the operational people and they were represented there. they were the ones who were saering osaer i carrying out the orders that they received from the president on down. >> what about petraeus? when did you speak to him? >> i spoke to petraeus that afternoon, because i flew that we had an agreement with the cia annex and i spoke with him about an hour after finding out about the attack and after gathering information about what we thought was happening in benghazi. >> did you -- your surviving agents were

. >> did you meet with secretary panetta? >> no, i did not. >> did you speak to secretary panetta? >> the next day. >> not on the 11th. >> no. >> did you talk with general dempsey? >> the next morning, i did. >> so you did not meet with him or talk with him on the 11th? >> congresswoman, it wasn't necessary. everybody was doing everything they could think of to do. it's one of the reasons i sat in on the -- >> i'm just trying to figure out if you did or you didn't. >> i'm telling you, i sat in on the meeting conversation sanchez was asking me about because i wanted to talk about the operational people and they were represented there. they were the ones who were saering osaer i carrying out the orders that they received from the president on down. >> what about petraeus? when did you speak to him? >> i spoke to petraeus that afternoon, because i flew that we had an agreement with the cia annex and i spoke with him about an hour after finding out about the attack and after gathering information about what we thought was happening in benghazi. >> did you -- your surviving agents were