we're looking at everything. >> reporter: parker was last seen around 2:00 p.m. thursday dropping her kids off at smith's home. at about 4:00 p.m. her brother received a short text from her but she never showed up for her 6:00 p.m. bartending shift. her cell phone last pinged a tower at 8:00 p.m. and her 11-year-old calls his grandmother to ask where is mom. >> her son called to say is mom is at the salon. no, honey, she went to drop off the babies. she should be home and taking a nap. he said i haven't seen her since i got home from school. >> reporter: on police found her black hummer near an orlando mall she rarely visited and on sunday they searched her ex-fiance's home at and a nearby field. has she ever disappeared before. >> never. >> reporter: never not called. >> no. >> reporter: or took a few hours to be by herself? no. >> reporter: her mother has been desperately searching for four days. she was a doting mother forced to move back home by economic conditions and was a reluctant participant. >> it was so she wouldn't have to pay for that engage many rin

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. >> this is the defendant, michelle parker. >> reporter: missing mom, michelle parker, confronting hern "people's court." >> he gets malicious and vindictive and a mean person especially when he's been drinking. >> reporter: in a matter of hours the mother of three and popular bartender disappeared. leaving friends and family desperate. >> for the first time in my life i have been climbing under trains and going through ditches and dumpsters praying that she's not there. >> reporter: parker was last heard from thursday afternoon. her hummer suv was later found empty in a neighborhood parker's family says she rarely visited. >> he's suing for $5,000. the value of the ring. >> reporter: on "people's court." the father of parker's 3-year-old twins sued her over an engagement he said was lost. >> i took it off and threw it at him. >> reporter: the judge ordered her to pay half of the ring. >> i felt somebody grab me and yanked me around. he was holding on to me screaming at me. >> reporter: in 2009, parker issued a restraining order against smith that was later dissolved by a judge. her fa

we have heard much from parker's family, her ex is not talking to the media. parker's family does not believe dale smith had anything to do with her disappearance. and the former iestigator i spoke with says since smith is not a suspect, it's probably because he's been cooperating with police. >> such a tough holiday weekend for that family. bazi, thank you for your reporting this morning. >>> let's get the forecast, now, and our new meteorologist, ginger zee. >> good morning, everybody. we start with mild weather that's spread east. you see the numbers behind me? this is not normal. and it's not normal to wake up in boston at 49 degrees on a day like this in november. should be 48 for an average high temperature. but the sun came up around 6:48 this morning. and they are going to have a high in the mid-60s. so, this warmth is not just for them. but it's spread through new york, as well. looking for not only temperatures to be ahead of that system, a little warmer than average. but chicago, down to evansville, memphis, included in rainfall that should be a lit

on friday, police found parker's suv in a part of town that she normally doesn't visit. they are still searching for her. >> open that mouth up and search anywhere in a five-mile radius. >> reporter: the question remains, does the heated tv fight have dig knick to do with parker's disappearance, or is it just a coincidence? nbc news, miami. >> joining us live from orlando, where the search for michelle parker continue ere eer continu mother, and father. >> thank you so much for trying to help us. >> yvonne, let me begin with you i know every possibility has gone through your mind. what theories stand out in your mind at this point? >> i think somebody carjacked her. i think somebody knows information about this hummer. it's so distinctive. they have to be able to remember where they may have seen her. that's the biggest thing we want to get out right now. that hummer, any information, if you have seen her on thursday afternoon between 3:00 and 8:00. >> let me turn to lauren. we know she appeared on "the people's court" the same day. your mom thinks it was a carjacking. d

parker had some pretty good moves, so -- >> oh, my. >> it was a fun night. >> parker, what did you dancely? >> yeah. >> did you do the dougie with him? >> i did do the dougie with him, yes. >> wow. >> it was pretty funny. >> so lindsey, you drove parker and a few of his friends, is that right? >> yes. actually, he invited me over to his friend's house for, like, the family pictures and stuff. so i went over and then i pretty much all the kids wanted to ride in my car over to the dance, so i think we may have fit a few too many kids into my car, but my audi definitely handled it well. but we pulled up in style. >> we made an entrance. >> yes, we did. >> now maybe you guys can have a reunion when you both compete at the 2014 olympics. >> definitely. >> it's a great story. we love having you guys with us. parker, nice work, buddy. >> good job, bud. >> thank you. >> thank you both. >> thank you. >> so we asked parker quickly afterwards in the break if he would take her to the prom if lindsey was up for it. >> he said he would and she said she might. >> there you go. >> what a stud. have a [

parker's parents ratcheted up their search. even offering a $50,000 for any information leading to her whereabouts. that reward has an expiration date of today. apparently to motivate tip sters to act soon. andrea, i spoke with family members this morning. they said all they know about this raid was that michelle parker wasn't found. dale smith was the last person to see michelle parker alive just minutes after that episode aired. andrea? >> such a mystery. thank you matt. >>> three mesh students arrested during the violent protest in egypt are back home this morning. students deny the charges and we'll talk to one of them in just a moment about their ordeal. but first here's lama hasan. >> reporter: derrik sweeney, luke gates and gregory porter, the students arrested in cairo are finally home. surrounding them family and friends. all overwhelmed with joy and relief. each student grateful to be home. >> i just want to say that i'm so thankful to be back in philadelphia. >> i'm glad to be with my family. i want to go home and ha

some breaking news in the baffling case of michelle parker.her of three from florida who vanished the same day that she appeared on the "people's court," the television show feuding with her ex-fiance. overnight, police raided the home of her ex-fiance's father. abc's matt gutman is covering the story from miami this morning. matt, good morning to you. >> reporter: and good morning to you, dan. well, that raid included a s.w.a.t. team which surrounded and then stormed the house of dale smith sr., the father of michelle parker's ex-fiance. they're saying that they brought him out in handcuffs. but this is just one of hundreds of tips they have been chasing. still, it's the first raid of its kind since she went missing 11 days ago. it happened late saturday at this orlando home. cell phone video captured a s.w.a.t. vehicle moving in. >> roughly about 12 guys piled out pretty quickly, banged on the door, yelled search warrant, search warrant and basically took everybody out of the house. >> reporter: the home reportedly belongs to dale smith sr.,

parker accused parker of being violent during the episode. >>> lawyers for the doctors c convicted in michael jackson's death are hoping their client avoids jail time altogether. conrad murray's attorneys are asking a judge to be lenient. he faces up to four years in prison on his involuntary man slaughter conviction. his attorneys say murray has been punished enough by dealing with his medical license. they also say he's dealing with death threats and the stigma of being responsible for michael jackson's death. >>> this morning, news 4 has learned that stephanie schwabb testified in 2005 in a high profile murder case involving her roommate pause. pause was found murdered along the shennendoah river. she was a key witness for the prosecution and apparently testified about the inner workings of the gang. schwabb is also a suspect in two bank robberies in northern virginia. >>> they are usually the police that help when you your car is broken down, but police have uncovered an auto theft ring involving tow truck operators. five people were arrested yesterday and charged with 23 counts o

. >> new developments in the case of michelle parker. last night, orlando police raided a home in their search for parker who went missing a week and-a-half ago after an appearance on "the people's court." julie banderas is in new york with the latest. we understand police are keeping tight lipped. but do we know anything about the house or who it belonged to? >> reporter: they are being tight lipped. but the property records state that dale smith sr. is the owner of that house, that would be dale smith's father, dale smith, here, the father of the two 3-year-old twins, the ex-fiance of michelle parker and the last person to have seen michelle alive. we also know that the father of michelle parker hasn't been name aid suspect or ather are sayingo search his father's home. however we do know between 10 to 16 detectives showed up last night and raided the home after knocking on the door, saying they had a search warrant. neighbors saw police lead dale sr. out of the home in handcuffs, although he wasn't arrested. two other adults and two c

but on the same day that this episode aired -- michelle parker disappeared.d thursday after she dropped off the couple's twins at his orlando home. she was never heard or seen again. her abandoned truck found a day later. police gathered items from smith's home and searched t ede nearby woods. they haven't gone so far to name him a suspect. as searchers organized, her family is making desperate pleas. >> if you're holding her hostage, please let her go. let her come home so that she can raise her babies. >> reporter: in their argument on the show, parker revealed deeper conflicts in the relationship. >> he shouldn't have put his hands on me. he shouldn't have put his hands on me prior. >> the show could provide clues for investigators. >> it's always possible that any time you have a public display of animosity between two individuals in a relationship it's going to excaberate the problem between these two individuals. >> it's not the first time that a daytime television show shared the headline with a case. back in 1996, a man was convicted of murdering an a

team raiding a home, centurying for michelle parker -- searching for michelle parker.n since november 17, just hours after her case appeared on the television show "the people's court." julie banderas has the latest. >> reporter: according to property records, the house belongs to dale smith sr., the father of michelle parker's ex-fiancee. police are not saying what led them to search the home or if they are questioning anyone. they are not commenting on any clues that were found inside the home. according to neighbors, dale sr. was led out with handcuffs, but he wasn't arrested. michelle parker's parents are offering a $50,000 riward for information leading to their daughter. but in an unusual twist, the reward is good only up until today. her mother wanted a time limit on the reward money to encourage people with tips to come forward immediately. parker was last seen dropping off her three-year-old twins at smith jr.'s home 10 days ago and hasn't been seen since. surveillance cameras at his home captured a black humvee arriving and leaving the home on the same day th

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chris parker is with us tonight. what you are about to hear you are not going to believe. >>> this holiday weekend families are gathering to remember what we are thankful for in our lives. here's something you won't hear. being thankful for getting cancer. our next guest is saying that. here is crystal parker. i had to double read that. you say you are thankful for getting cancer. why? >> it was an experience that changed my life. it helped me to put things in perspective. i have always been a prayerful person with a great spirit. this helped me not worry about a lot of things that weren't important anymore. >> you had breast cancer. what was your reaction to that? >> i was like, okay, god, i got the opinion. i said okay, god, this is what i have to deal with. what do you want me to do with this? >> were you angry? >> not at all. that's what was so exciting. during my treatment i was able to talk to people who were bitter and angry. a lot of my mission was to be there as a present and share my experience with other p

parker disappeared last thursday. the 33-year-old last seen dropping her twins off at smith junior's condo. police have not made any arrests in parker's case and have not said why they raided dale smith's parents home. and michelle's mother is encouraged to see action in the case. >> when i found out it was a family member of the ex-fiance i was, my heart pounded out of my chest. you know because to this day they haven't even called me once and said, evonne, we are so sorry for your loss. we work we could help. not one phone call from that family. which tells me a lot about their, their, their character. >> reporter: police have not named any suspects in parker's disappearance. parker's brother said that detectives told him they did not find what they were looking for at the smith's house. laurie brown, abc news, orlando, florida. >> an odd story, because originally they thought that the fiance had nothing to do with. that's what was going around, being reported. he wasn't a suspect. perhaps he was a suspect. trying t

and plus where is missing florida mom, michelle parker? ñr >> a quiet thanksgiving for presidential hopeful and governor of texas rick perry. he is criticizing president obama pour lack of foreign policy leadership to announcing his own plan for a part-time congress. i sat down and him and his wife, anita, that what drives them in this tough campaign. >> both you and the governor said he wasn't really excited about the idea of running for the president but you felt it was something he should consider, you encouraged him and you admit now that it's been a difficult process. knowing what you know now, do you think you would still encourage him to run? >> absolutely. it was the right choice for us to make. we have several people and many people were encouraging him to run. we discussed if as a family and our children are all in. you know, i really, really close friends are all in. absolutely i think it was the right decision and we would do it again because we believe in america. >> and you have said that you feel like you are fighting for th

and steven parker is one of those guys who must be separated.times. >> i guess i'm going to go crazy. i don't know. i guess i'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison and keep doing the same things i've been doing. i don't know what else to do. until somebody kills me, i guess. i don't know. >>> next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> life on death row was a very traumatic experience. death was definitely next. >> eight years on death row can make any inmate question his sanity. >> i feel confused, went through a mental stage where i likened to lose my mind. ugh, it's my sinus congestion, and it's all your fault. naturally blame the mucus. he's funny. instead of blaming me, try this, advil congestion relief. often the real problem is swelling, not mucus. advil congestion relief reduces swelling due to nasal inflammation. so i can breathe. happily ever after. another story? from him! [ mucus ] advil congestion relief. the right relief for the real problem. premier of the packed bag. you know organization is key... and so is having a trusted a

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her name is michelle parker, and she disappeared on thursday, the same day an episode of "the people'sired featuring her and her ex-fiance. abc's dan kloeffler is on the story. >> reporter: good morning to you. this on-again, off-again couple was fighting about money and figured that "people's court" was the best way to settle things, but once the verdict aired, nobody saw michelle parker except the man she was fighting with. >> all right, dale smith, you're suing your former fiancee michelle parker for $5,000, the statutory maximum for an engagement ring. >> reporter: these florida exes turned to "the people's court" to settle a dispute. but on the same day that this episode aired -- >> he gets pretty malicious and vindictive especially when he's been drinking. >> i ended up smashing my camera on the ground. >> reporter: -- michelle parker disappeared. it happened thursday after she dropped off the couple's twins at his orlando home. she was never heard or seen again. her abandoned truck found a day later. police gathered items from smith's home and searched the nearby woods but have

>>> coming up, where is michelle parker? police step up the search for a florida mother of three who vanished mysteriously following an appearance on "the people's court." we'll talk with her mother and brother, but first this is "today" on nbc. >>> still ahead, martha stewart has us over to her house to prepare a thanksgiving feast. >> she made us work. she got you in the chicken coop, got me on a horse, that wasn't pretty and natalie, al as well. >> over the top, after your local news. >> this is wbal-tv 11 news today in baltimore. >> good morning. i am stan stovall. a new leg of the intercounty connector is now open. the 10-mile stretch it connecting prince george's and montgomery county is open to the public at 6:00 this morning. it will be free through december 4, but after that commuters will have to pay tolls. we posted the fees on our website, wbaltv.com. >> busy ride out there. dealing with closures on southbound 95 out of the tydings memorial bridge. we have a left lane now open. still some problems due to a tracto

. >>> we turn tg mo in centa mi parker's family pleading for her wouleft urn.es reports now from orlando. >> reporter: those who know michelle parker have remained strong and resilient for four long days. >> i'm mad. i'm mad that somebody took her. and is doing this to her and our family. >> reporter: that family joine parker's safe return. >> we're going to ask god. an almighty god -- and told stories that brought tears. hundreds canvassed south orlando looking in fields and along roads. even parker's mom checked place she's never imagined she would have to. >> i went in a crack house today. first time in my life. looking for my daughter. >> reporter: and they tirelessly frie strangers have been handing out flyers all day long too drivers a major intersection

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parker's suv was r parked. to nt wasn't parked as she went it was parked like somebody just parked it there. >> reporter: a source told me found in the s a bloodhound was bron bu >> scary story. obviously most people assume, oh, the ex-fiance, must have something to do with it. >> apparently not a suspect. >> police insist they're not looking at him. some lse gone bad. >> very strange h >>> well, a memorial service is being held in joplin, missouri, marking six months since a powerful tornado ravaged the city and killed 161 people. homeowners and businesses scrambling to rebuild. joplin has issued nearly $180 million in construction permits since the tornado over the next year officials expect to see permits worth another $200 million. >>> one of the stories i love out of joplin. school started on time in that community. i thought that was such -- >> great for the kids to get going. >> and the resilience, it shows. prayers for the folks in joplin. >>> now we'll take a look at your weather on this tuesday mornin

it's very unusual. >> michelle parker is dead. listen to what he said. >> statistics sadly suggest that when someone has been missing for 12 days or more, that a homicide has occurred and i'm bending over backwards to be respectful to the family who deserve to hold on to every bit of hope that they can. but if you're just talking statistically, after 12 days and no signs and no indication, typically somebody is no longer with us. >> so, sunny, then how unusual is it that you have this attorney for the prime suspect who know how -- who will have custody of the kids, will suggest that this missing woman has been killed? >> i thought it was pretty extraordinary. he's been an attorney for quite some time. he does a lot of legal comment tear on hln and other stations. he's a seasoned attorney and he's statistically correct when he cites those statistics. it's true that when someone is missing for that period of time is no longer with us. but to say that, given the fact that he is representing the suspect, the main suspect, it's very od

parker's 3-year-old twins will remain with their father.nd is considered a person of interest in her disappearance. >> reporter: orlando police search teams launching a brand-new hunt for either the body or any new evidence or clues that could help solve this missing mother's case. just about 3 or 4 miles south of downtown orlando proper. the dive teams went into the water searching underneath it looking through lake eleanor for any clues. we are told they didn't find anything to advance this case at this point. but, two, this was not based on new information, no new tip, just making sure every logical place has been thoroughly searched. all this happening after that custody hearing when the judge agreed with smith's attorney. dale smith says police are focusing their suspicions on the wrong person. claiming after michelle parker was last seen dropping her kid off at their father's, what happened this a mystery as well. >> there is not enough evidence to arrest him and for that you want to take away a person's children? >> reporter: smith's

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michelle parker vanished after appearing on the people's court with her exfiance.re focusing their investigation, this is the grand new information on this. on that ex, dale smith. listen to what they said. >> we are officially naming dale smith, the exfiance, as the primary suspect in the disappearance of michelle parker. many questions will be asked why dale smith wasn't considered a suspect prior to today, and the answer is, we had to look at every aspect in the case before we could come out publicly and state that mr. smith is our primary focus. martha: bill daley is a former f.b.i. investigator, of course, bill, welcome. >> thank you. martha: what do you make of that? he was not a suspect, and now they are calling him the primary suspect. what must they have on this guy to have said that? >> through the process of elimination. the police do need to take a very broad view so they don't get myopic and hone in and say it must be this person because of maybe this people's court incident. however, i think at this point they have some forensic evidence to connect hi

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. >> that was the michelle parker.r he sued her for the cost of an engagement ring. and they settled it in the people's court. parker's parents say that she texted them on thursday around the time that episode ran and we're told that was the last time anybody heard from her. the next day police say they found her suv abandoned in orlando. >> i don't know if somebody saw her on tv and thought hey she is beautiful and did what they do and figured out where she was at or something. >> every dumpster you are like oh michelle i hope you are not in here. baby, i hope you are not in here and you get up and crawl on top of stuff and you look and you go okay this one is eliminated you are not here. >> shepard: her mom thinks it's a carjacking. not sure why she thinks that. investigators say they are not ruling out anything yet. trace gallagher is following us. is he live for us this evening. what's with the exfiance. where does he fit into this? do we know. >> shep, his name is dale smith. we now learned that two years ago mich

michelle parker was last seen november 17th, the same day she was seen on "the peoples' court." they were fighting over a $5,000 engagement ring. this morning, parker's sister spoke on the "today" show about why smith suddenly became the prime suspect. >> i have my own theories, because he is the last one to see her and he is now not cooperating, and there's a couple other things where he is not cooperating anymore. i don't know what he knows or what he did, but i just wish for his children's sake to have their mother, that he would say something. he was the last one to see her. he knows something. i don't doubt for a second in my mind that he knows something. >> police believes smith was the last person to see parker before she disappeared. smith is the father of parker's twin children. >>> it's 11:41, and we're separating fact from fiction when it comes to skin care. who aaron, you're all set. great, thanks. mike, thanks for doing that discount double check. you saved us hundreds. what was that? the discount double check? it's when we comb through your policies and make sure t

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