but what pat is going to do, don, he's going to decide what's best for pat. and the difference between him and bill barr is he still has an active law practice. he's trying to do this dance that republicans do. they don't want to take donald trump on directly, and that's what the negotiation is probably is about with the committee now e. dnow. he doesn't want video of him played attacking trump. an audio is better, a written transcript is best of all. those are the kinds of things being negotiated and i think he will cut a deal. >> you know, john, what's:to me is this is, of course, in certain republican circles, right, and conservative media, this is being portrayed as a democratic witch-hunt. i find it surprising that these people have hidden as democrats their entire lives, to come out, to wait for these moment -- these interest all republicans, by the way. i'm being facetious here. they waited their entire life to come out as democrats. they've been conservative the whole time pretending just to go up against this one president. do you see what i'm saying

pat is going to decide what's best for pat. he still has an active law practice. he's trying to do this dance that republicans do. they don't want to take donald trump on directly. that's what the negotiation is probably about with the committee now. he doesn't want videotape out there to be played at hearing of him attacking trump. aud you is better than video. a written transcript is best of all. those are the things being negotiated. i think he will cut a deal. >> john, what's interesting to me is this is in certain republican circles and conservative kblmedia, this is being portrayed as a democratic witch hunt. i find it surprising that these people have hidden as democrats their entire lives to come out to wait for this one moment. these are all republicans. you get my -- i'm being fe fececious here. it's ridiculous. >> i do. t there are witches, don. i think some of them are being flushed out. the big witch who was very critical today on his social media outlet was very critical of the committee for subpoenaing pat cipollone. i think this was a very raw cord

i know pat. i worked very closely with pat for 15 months, actually more than that when i was in the white house in the west wing. and pat will tell the truth. there is no question about it. will he corroborate what cassidy hutchinson said? will he counter what she said? i don't know. but i do know pat cipollone is an honorable guy and once he puts his hand on that bible, he will be telling the truth so help him god. >> you clashed a bit with cipollone in the white house. you guys did overlap. what's changed, if anything, that gives you a higher estimation of mr. cipollone now? >> nothing. that hasn't changed. i always held pat at high esteem in terms of integrity. we just disagreed on policy, disagreed on procedure, disagreed on how to handle the impeachment. i didn't think he was a dishonorable person. you have those discussions in every white house. it's not sitting around singing kumbaya. my opinion of him as a person has not changed. and i absolutely believe the man is going to tell the truth

and mark looked up at him and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly, said this to mark, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die. >> do something, or people will die. on the sixth, he had pat cipollone in the west wing, pleading with meadows, about all of that. take a listen. >> are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threatened to resign? >> i kind of , like i said, my interest at that time was on trying to get as many pardons done and i know that you know, he was always to him in the team, they were saying we are going to resign, we will not be here if this or that happens. i kind of took it up to just be whining to be honest with you. >> that is mister kushner, who was well, earlier in line willing to testify, you see him on video but you see him basically casting mister pat cipollone as a whiner. when he said that of course mister pat cipollone had not come out and testified under oath before the video cameras. it is kind of interesting, that could blow up in his f

i know pat i work very closely with pat for 15 months, more than that when i was in the white house in the west wing and pat will tell the truth there is no question about it will he corroborate with casey hutchinson with what she said. will he counter what she said i don't know? but he is an honorable guy and once he puts his hand on the bible he will be telling the whole truth and nothing but the truce. >> you guys did overlap what has changed if anything that gives you a higher estimation of mr. cipollone now? >> nothing, that has not changed. i have held him at high esteem based on his integrity. i didn't think he was a dishonorable or disreputable kind of person you have those kinds of discussions in every white house it's not always everybody sitting around singing and when you're having discussions at the very highest level things can get pretty tense. but my opinion of him as a person has not changed and again absolutely i believe the man will tell the truth i just don't know what he will say. >> if cassidy hutchinson's testimony conflicts with pat cipollone's testimony and aga

trump counsel pat scipollone wil testify on friday.losed doors but transcribed and videotaped. want to bring in nixon counsel dean and prosecutor nick acreman. good to see you both. i want to begin with you, john, you've been saying for quite sometime every time pat s cipollone's name is mentioned, it's been a lot his name is mentioned at the hearings he has a moral obligation to appear before the committee and now, apparently he will. tell me why it's so important you think to hear from pat cipollone. >> well, i think our democracy is at stake here is what the game is. it's a real -- it's not a game, though. it's a real terrifying situation. he knows what happened and rather than honor the oath of office that he took to defend and support the constitution, he all along has been trying to resist testimony and appearing before this committee, yes, he had an informal session in april off the record. i don't even think it was sworn. and he's been now negotiating apparently as to the terms of under which he will testify. laura, i don't get

that's good for pat cipollone. now, we all hope he has revealed information that tells us what happened that day and it will be a good day for the country too. >> well, of course, he's the white house counsel at the time. by nature of his position he's supposed to think about the institution, about the integrity of it in the language run as well. one would hope honesty was there. nick, to you finally. sip cipollone, we talk a lot about january 6th. understandably so. but he was also in that key oval office meeting on january 3rd when trump was considering making jeffrey clark the acting a.g. and the top official richard donoghue testified cipollone called the draft letter false lei claiming they found evidence of election fraud, he called it a murder-suicide pact. what do you think the committee may have asked about from that meeting today? that's a pretty important moment. >> he ya, i think it is. and i think they went through it in good detail, my guess. they had very detailed testimony already from jeff rosen, w

you haven't heard it from pat cipollone himself. the question is, what will he tell the committee behind closed doors? we will hear the corroboration? and will it be a breakthrough in the overall investigation. i want to bring in ellie honig and alex burns. he's the co-author of "this will not pass: trump, biden and the battle for america's future." this is big. i told you it is big. i will begin with you. this is a person whose name we heard continuously. they are able to secure a taped interview, behind closed doors. it's a big deal. we've seen for the better part of the hearings, many of the people who testify behind closed doors, their testimony appears during the actual hearings. what do you see as the most important thing he can tell this committee that might lead to either more information about former president trump or open the eyes of doj? >> you seized on the two most important words. uniquely positioned. uniquely, as in one of one, the only one. and this guy was everywhere, as white house counsel should be. the attempt t

donald trump's white house counsel, pat cipollone. this comes after the committee spent weeks pressing cipollone to testify, in fact yesterday, they issued him a subpoena and vice chair liz cheney made this direct appeal during a hearing last month. >> our committee is certain that donald trump does not want mr. cipollone to testify here. indeed, our evidence shows that mr. cipollone and his office tried to do what was right. they tried to stop a number of president trump's plans for january 6th. we think that the american people deserve to hear mr. cipollone personally. he said appear before this committee, and we are working to secure his testimony. >> well, they have it secured. he is now scheduled to testify this friday, just two days from now. the interview will be behind closed doors, but it will be videotaped. so the committee will be able to play portions of it in future hearings, as they have done for lots of the witnesses they've interviewed. a part of the reason that path cipollone testimony is such a big deal, because of t

>> mark, ivanka, herschmann, pat cipollone and pat philbin.re the people that were instructing him. >> white house counsel's office coming into the office that morning that they didn't think it was a good idea to include that in the speech. >> that being pat cipollone? >> correct. and eric herschmann. >> david, there is so much testimony that we've already seen and we don't know what we don't know. we've only seen the excerpts of the depositions that they've shown us, but just about everyone has something to say about the pardon frenzy. even jared kushner talks about the pardon palooza he was overseeing and jared kushner testifies to cipollone's discomfort in the final days with everything that was going on. what do you make of cipollone's decision and this is a bit of a cave on cipollone's part and the early negotiations as far as i understood it were that cipollone would testify narrowly about the episodes. it is my understanding from punch bowl and i invite katie or luke to jump in if i have this wrong, but he may or may not answer all of t

pat cipollone weighed in at one point. i remember saying, that letter that this guy wants to send, that letter is a murder-suicide pact. it's gonna damage everyone if you touch it. and we should have nothing to do with that letter. i don't even want to see that letter again. >> that's pat cipollone right in the thick of it again. and then we have last week's bombshell testimony from the white house aide cassidy hutchinson once again highlighting pat cipollone's central around january 6th. >> on january 3rd, mr. cipollone had approached me knowing that mark had raised the prospect of going up to the capitol on january 6th. mr. cipollone and i had a brief private conversation where he said to me, we need to make sure that this does not happen. this would be legally a terrible idea for us. we have serious legal concerns if we go up to the capitol that day. he then urged me to continue relaying that to mr. meadows because it's my understanding that mr. cipollone thought that mr. meadows was indeed pushing this along with the p

several minutes later, white house counsel pat cipollone walked into the oval office. powell continued to elaborate on a fan taft cal election narrative involving venezuela, iran, china, and others. by now, people were yelling and cursing. cipollone and other officials said that powell's theories were nonsensical. flynn went berserk. you're quitting. you're a quitter. you're not fighting. he exploded. and then turned to the president, sir, we need fighters. cipollone, standing his ground amidst this mishmash of conspiracies saying they were totally wrong. he aggressively dee defended the d.o.j. and the fbi saying they had looked into every major claim of fraud that had been reported. they were now in hour four of a meeting unprecedented even by the deranged standards of the final davis the trump presidency. trump and cipollone who frequently butted heads went at it over whether the administration had the authority to do what powell was proposing. end quote. by the time cipollone and other white house officials left after midnight, they were quote fully prepared for the

i'm confident it was pat that was there.saying something to the effect of mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. and mark had responded something to the effect of you heard him, pat. he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. to which pat said something this is f'ing crazy. we need to be doing something more. briefly stepped into mark's office. >> the "cbs overnight news" will be right back. with depression, you just feel...blah. not okay. all...the...symptoms. need to deal with this. so your doctor tells you about trintellix, a prescription medicine for adults with depression. okay, feeling relief from overall symptoms. hmm. and trintellix had no significant impact on weight in clinical trials. so there's that. trintellix may increase suicidal thoughts and actions in people 24 and younger. call a doctor right away if you have these, or new or worsening depression, or new or sudden changes in mood, behavior, thoughts, or feelings.

time tomorrow when we meet again the january 6 committee may have some answers from none other than pat, he will talk with them behind closed doors tomorrow, the white house counsel who reportedly said quote we will get charged with every crime imaginable if then president were to go to the capital on january 6, the one who reportedly called the plot to replace the acting attorney general with trump loyalist jeffrey clark quote our murder suicide pact. in their subpoena letter the committee told us some of what they want to ask the former white house counsel about. including then-president trumps awareness of and involvement in quote the submission of fake electoral ballots to congress and the executive branch. the attempted appointment of jeffrey clark is acting attorney general and efforts to interfere with the congressional certification of the electoral resorts on january 6. now, you heard jeffrey clark's name again right there, right? well, we have some new police body camera footage tonight of the early morning raid on his home just last month. as part of what authorities are call

is on other than being on pat eas's side in trump worl. it will be a very difficult and precarious walk for him through these proceedings. >> nick, as a prosecutor, i know full well when you have somebody whose credibility might be questioned in the way of whose side they are on, corroboration will be key. that's why the testimony of others who might not have that level of baggage will be important but cipollone testified informally back in april and "the new york times" obtained an email that outlined the agreement reached on limitations for the testimony. here is part of it i want to share here today. it says it allowed discussions of a meeting with jeffrey clark and a justice department official who tried to help mr. trump cling to power. mr. trump's interactions with john eastman, the lawyer that drafted a legal strategy for overturning the election and any interactions with members of congress and cipollone's reactions of january 6th but not conversations they or others had with trump except for that january 3rd meeting with jeffrey c

chuck, pat cipollone is a big get.given his role in the white house, could he evoke executive privilege and not really answer anything? >> well, yes and no. let me explain, stephanie. there is such a thing as executive privilege. i mean, it's a real thing. it's a real privilege. there is white house counsel, he may have had some conversations with the former president that are in fact privileged. but, can he answer anything, of course there are things that he can answer. and, if those sides approach this in good faith, right the house committee and mr. cipollone and his lawyers, it can carve out a path and a whole bunch of other things he can answer. for instance, conversations that are not privileged. conversations with third parties. things that he saw an overheard. other people he talked to. so, yes, there is an executive privilege. yes it might come into play with respect to certain things that the committee wants to know. but there is a bunch of things that cipollone can testify to. and it is really important for

and i think pat cipollone's a smart guy. and i think he's stayed away from people like roger stone and general flynn, who were boasting these links to the proud boys and other extremist groups. but he may know something, and he may have some knowledge because there were also pardons requested by some of these people. and he may have taken a look into it there. i don't -- there's no privilege in his review of pardon material that i know of. >> very good point. >> and i had the same function once. >> indeed you did. john dean, jim schultz, thank you both very much for bringing your knowledge and expertise to bear tonight. >>> there is news tonight about the scheme to install fake gop electors in key swing states to overturn election 2020. some republican operatives are now prepared to work with criminal investigators. how and what it could mean when "cnn tonight" returns. what if i sleep hot? ...or cold? no problem. the sleep number 360 smart bed is temperature balancing, so you both stay comfortable and can help you g almost

get pat down here immediately! several minutes later, white house counsel pat cipollone walked into the oval. how will continue to elaborate on a fantastical election narrative involving venezuela, iran, china, and others. right now, people were yelling and cursing cipollone and other officials said that powell's theories were nonsensical. flynn went berserk. you're quitting! you're a quitter! you're not fighting! he exploded. flynn turned to the president and implored, sir, we need fighters! cipollone, standing his ground amidst this mismatch of conspiracies, said they were totally wrong. he aggressively defended the doj and the fbi, saying that they had looked into every major claim of fraud that had been reported. they were now in our four of a meeting, unprecedented even by the deranged standards of the final day of the trump presidency. trump and cipollone, who had frequently butted heads, went at it over whether the authority had the administration had the authority to do it pal was proposing, and quote. by t

and mark looked up and said he does not want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of and very clearly, said this to mark, something to the effect of mark something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your effing hands. >> let's remember, he is getting dozens of text messages around this same time pleading for the president to do something. donald trump jr writing he has to condemn this asap, this is one you go to the mattresses on. they are going to try to eff this legacy if it gets worse. and writing in all caps, tell them to go home. i am using their words, of course, not mine. but pat cipollone he had a front row seat to critical events, talking seven hours today. the question is around the 187 minutes while the attack unfolded and despite all of the calls trump did north something this is the heart of the testimonial matter, right? >> i don't think there is any doubt about that, laura. that is what i was told by sources told tonight, they truly believe that cipollone helps to piece it

it is really an amazing turn of events that pat cipollone is now in this position. donald trump hired cipollone at the end of 2018 and that was to replace his first white house counsel don mcgahn. trump became dissatisfied with mcgahn after he tried to prevent the vice president -- mccarrick went on to cooperate extensively with the special counsel robert mueller's investigation. for his next white house counsel, he wanted a true loyalist, a true soldier. he chose cipollone, a right-wing roman catholic -- for a time cipollone played the part. he was trump's lead attorney in trump's first impeachment trial which you will remember was about the ex presidents attempt to corruptly misuse his power for his own political benefit. he solicited foreign help with the threat of extortion essentially to interfere in a free and fair election. and the democrats argued at the time, this is not someone who could be trusted with the powers of government, because trump refused to play by the basic rules of democracy. here is to fundamentally at a core level except free and fair elec

pat toomey stood up there -- i am sorry, patriot pat toomey, i want to give him his propers. they are going to use $400 million to spend on that. that is nonsense. the overseas contingency operations fund, $60 million, $70 million, every year on top of 500, 600, $700 million. >> barbaric. >> and now they're going to go away. pat toomey says i have veterans groups behind me. i call bs. wounded warriors, dav, they are all here. this is the veterans community senator. they don't stand behind you, in fact, you won't let them stand in front of you. cowards, all of them. cowards, all of them. and now they say this will get done. maybe after we get back from some of -- from our summer recess, because they are on senate time. senate time is ridiculous. these guys live to 200. they are tortoises. they live for ever and they never lose their jobs and they never lose their benefits and they never lose anything. they are not on senate time, they are on human time, cancer time. don't you have families? don't you have people? people who are deciding how to live their last moments? they spe

a lot of what she heard was from mark meadows and pat cipollone . it is pat cipollone in mark meadows that were with the president. they are the ones that could give us a john dean moment. my concern is that pat cipollone counseled the president to engage in a contempt of congress. the 2019 letter was an outrage. it turned on its head the entire history of impeachment. it was a violation of the principle that george washington set out for what congress had a right to receive. george washington who was under no threat of impeachment said that the house requires something for the inquiry, i have to give it over. pat cipollone decided to overturn what george washington and all presidents sent believe said donald trump does not have to give anything. pat cipollone's connection to the constitutional history is not very strong. it is possible that one of the things that is motivating him is he might be afraid of his own legal jeopardy. keep in mind the picture that is developing. the mosaic the committee is forming. it is a criminal conspiracy. a conspira

we had to get pat in there. again, pat was like this is not a good idea.she's giving you great advice. it turned into a melee and there was yelling and pat stood his ground. he said i will leave here if you do this. it brought back such a memory of that situation. it rang very, very true to me. it was one of many crazy meetings that happened. >> an interesting decision that the committee went with today had to do with testimony that ivanka trump gave that was immediately in the video cutting contradicted by ivanka trump's chief of staff. having to do with whether or not ivanka was trying to calm donald trump down, i think on the day of january 6th. let's roll that. >> been reported that you ultimately decided to attend the rally because you hoped you would calm the president and keep the event on an even keel. is that accurate? >> no. i don't know who said that or where that came from. >> she could tell based on the conversations and what was going on in the office that he was angry and upset, and people were providing misinformation. and she felt like she

>> that really changed the game for pat cipollone.wo particularly memorable moments from cassidy hutchinson's testimony, first, she testified about this remarkable exchange between cipollone and mark meadows, she said i remember pat saying to him, mark meadows, something to the effect of the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark, we need to go down and see the president now, and mark looked up at him and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat, and pat said something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your effing hands. the committee is going to want to know all about that conversation and also what happened afterwards. i would want to ask pat cipollone who did you at that you can to afterwards? who else did you relay that to? the other memorable exchange cassidy hutchinson testified, quote, mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy, meaning send donald trump to the capitol. keep in touch with me.

pat cipollone just wrapped up his critical testimony. after more than seven hours behind closed doors. also tonight, as funerals begin for victims in highland park, illinois, the gunman's parents hire a new lawyer. i'll ask the prosecutor in the case about what potential charges might be in the works. >>> new reaction to a shocking assassination in japan. the former prim shin ko abe shot and killed in a country with one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the world. we want to welcome our viewers around the state and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin with one of the most sought-after witnesses in the january 6th investigation facing the select committee today under oath. the former trump white house counsel pat cipollone has firsthand knoll of key events before and during the insurrection. let's go to ryan nobody else. he's up on capitol hill. ryan, more than seven hours, certainly one of the longer witness interviews the committee has conducted. tell our viewers what you're learn. >> tha

we heard from pat cipollone. he finally testified last week and the committee played segments of that video of the testimony whether he agreed there was no election fraud. he also said that he believed president trump should have conceded the election. joining me now, senior washington correspondent hallie jackson and kristin welker. >> three key pieces of information here. first, for the first time we saw pat cipollone. the trump white house counsel interviewed behind closed doors last week coming out and making a lot of revelations. he thought trump should have conceded when the vast majority of other aides testified, they also thought that is when president trump should have conceded. including a series of advisers who thought that was the end point. because the december 14th, the day that the electoral college did its thing, had come and gone at that point and now the writing was on the wall. four days later, there was bucket number two. that is the absolutely bonkers meeting as described here in this testimo

what do we know about the significance of pat cipollone coming in? there is information about what he said and how long he was there. >> former president trump's counsel was there for about eight hours. lawmakers came out and said they learned significant new information, they were pleased with the testimony. we knew that pat cipollone was one of chaney's bigger fish. she wanted him to come in. wanted to see testimony from other folks of what former president trump was doing leading up to the election, pressing these false claims. and you heard a lot about pat cipollone. he had been unwilling to talk to the committee directly. he had done one informal interview, and when the committee took a risky step, and it was unclear what he would do, what you saw from getting him today is a number of figures in the former president's inner circle who have given the community -- committee videotaped testimony, knowledge of what happened that day. pat cipollone is interesting, because he was involved in discussions about seizing voting machines. some of the more

i felt like it was pat cipollone, like guys, what are we doing here?y show, i don't know why we need this testimony. >> first of all, i was totally write about this parlor game. we can go to a dozen. the justice -- the obstruction is very interesting, because on freestanding, this means that you could bring a charge against meadows from last week, and not see it against trump. it could be an immediate pole vaulting through the process, and really apply leverage, which is what you want if somebody can talk to trump. but look, it did jolt them, but we talked about this last. time it jolted them because it took trump's attentional responsibility from knowing and impairing a proceeding, to involvement with violence. and that brings into play, a half dozen crimes on the federal criminal code. they are very serious ones. the most -- one question here is, not simply wet fits into the parlor game, but what will the american people support in a corollary -- if you shoot the king, you better get him. we want to charge that really captures what people will say ha

i think pat cipollone has a lot more to offer.s to offer more, so that we can get all of this in a bigger context. >> to the extent of your testimony, of ex president nixon. does it surprise you that former president trump is reportedly fuming over pat cipollone testimony? >> [laughs] not at all, not at all. nixon didn't watch my testimony, in fact, he couldn't even listen to his recorded conversations with me. had others do that, and they miss reported to him what i had actually told him. but that's another issue. i can understand why trump is upset. this is exactly the sort of thing that he -- that clarifies him. because he's getting the worst side of his image out. he is unable to control what's being put out there. and it's not a pretty picture that's going out there. >> there were a lot of bizarre days and late nights in the white house during watergate. was there anything ever to compare with the oval office meeting that pat cipollone wasn't? trying to head off sydney powell, the power sugar of dr. pepper, and mike flynn's e

i think pat cipollone could very well come off the same way.think the comm committee's going to steer him toward, toward doing the best thing for the country, simply to tell the truth of what happened on january 6th. >> and real quickly to you, chris, to that point, as you were wisely pointing out, this is really about the committee clearly wants to be building a case here. that is part of the case they're building. >> my gosh, it's a huge part of it. i think -- mick mulvaney, former white house chief of staff, made this point and i think done it well on our air which is we're not talking about liberal democrats. this is not nancy pelosi saying she thinks donald trump did something wrong on january 6th, right? who we've heard from, cassidy hutchinson, former hill staffer, and someone who worked in the white house closely with mark meadows. cipollone, the white house counsel, who i'll note defended donald trump in the first impeachment hearing -- these people are not liberals. now will that change minds? i don't know. i think the committee has d

does pat toomey have a point here? >> pat toomey is going to get an amendment. he'll have a vote on that. pat, come on, let's go. let's put it out there, put the facts out there. pat is a good man, good friend of mine, i'm sorry he won't be running again, he's leaving the senate, he's been a quatyr o th represented pennsylvania extremely well. he's been a friend. we're going to work through this. i haven't seen the amendment. i'll be briefed tomorrow morning on it and everything. but pat's going to get his amendment and let's see where it goes. >> on that, senator joe manchin, thank you for being with us. "face the nation" will be back in a moment. stay with us. so your camera cae in the dark with night sight fix your photos with magic eraser photograph all skin tones accurately with real tone and last up to 72 hours with extreme battery saver it's all you want in a phone. google pixel 6a switch it up, and get the all new google pixel 6a. so, you're 45. that's the perfect age to see some old friends, explore new worlds, and to start screening for colon cancer. y

if you were in that committee room today, what would you ask pat cipollone? the reporter said, would like to corroborate all of what we've heard pat cipollone was in the middle of. certainly cassidy hutchinson's blockbuster testimony from a week or so ago. but i'd want to dig deeper into what he knew and what his views were of all of the pieces of the plot that we've been hearing about during the course of the hearings, the fake elector scheme, even the 60-plus cases that they filed in court. you know, what were his views of these strategies? because we've been hearing that he was not in favor and he thought that they were frivolous. and at some point criminal. i would want to get into all of that as much as you can get into effectively without getting into executive privilege areas in terms of conversations between him and former president trump directly. >> well, i want to ask about executive privilege. but first i want to play some sound for you and our viewers from committee member zoe lofgren. here's what she said about that -- >> we recognize that there

pat cipollone spending eight hours behind closed doors with the committee. as you can see weeding that marathon session tonight. we know his testimony was taped and we know the committee says it was important. >> mr. cipollone did appear voluntarily and answered a whole variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses and i think we did learn a few things, which we will be rolling out in years to come. >> have you learned any significant new information from him? >> i think a few things, yes. >> the answer is yes and obviously nearly eight hours, that is a lot of time with a crucial witness. that is the january 6th committee. as for the justice department's investigation for that insurrection day, a stark warning from the director, christopher wray. here he is speaking with an exclusive interview. >> there are way too many people in today's world that are taking their very passionately held views and manifesting them through violence. >> so, keep in mind when he says that, the doj has already brought charges against more than 800

but i'm confident it was pat it was there. i remember pat saying something to the effect of, mark, we need to do something more. they are literally calling for mike pence to be effing hung. marquette responded something to the effect of, you heard it, pat, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. he thinks mike deserves it. to which path said, this is effing crazy. we need to be doing something more. briefly stepped into mike's office. when mark had said something to the effect of, he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. knowing what i had heard briefly in the dining room, coupled with pat discussing the hang mike pence chance in the library of her office. his response there to the rioters in the capital were chanting for the vice president to be hung. ital wer (dad allen) we've been customers for years. (dad brown) we got iphone 13s, too. switched two minutes ago, literally right before this. (vo) now everyone can get a new iphone 13 on us on america's most reliable 5g network. e did it! with more now everyone ca

. >> could pat cipollone turn out to be the most important witness yet? plus president biden says he is doing everything he can to protect abortion rights. >> we cannot allow an out-of- control supreme court to take away freedoms in our personal economy. >> democratic activists are begging for more action and more passion. >> we need you, president biden, to act like your life depends on it. >> president biden wants to punish for human rights abuses, he will meet face-to-face with the king and crown prince, what changed? >>> inside politics, the biggest stories, sourced by the best reporters now. >> welcome to inside politics sunday, i am abby. the top lawyer in the trump white house spent nearly 8 hours under oath with the january 6 committee on friday. pat cipollone is a critical witness to key episodes of the committee investigations, he was in the room during conversations about seizing voting machines, installing a new attorney general, and issuing last-minute pardons, and he was also with the president during the capital riot. january 6 committee me

it's good medicine. >>> pat cipollone has reached a deal with the committee. he will participate in a transcribed interview behind closed doors this friday. sarah murray is joining us now in "the situation room." this is potentially a very, very substantial breakthrough for the select committee. >> it is a substantial breakthrough. we have seen members of the select committee out there publicly essentially pleading for pat cipollone to come forward. obviously if they had it entirely their way, he would be testifying publicly in one of these hearings. that's not going to be the case. but they are still going to get his testimony transcribed and on video. it's important because he was around for so much. when the former president wanted to seize voting machines, when he wanted to send letters to states trying to overturn the election. when he wanted to organize essentially a coup at the justice department, pat cipollone was there for all of this. there are still privilege issues, but this is a big get for the committee. >> in terms of the investigation going on

pat: the chips act is a seminal act.may be the most significant industrial policy legislation that has been put in place since world war ii in the u.s. this is huge. we are expecting to be a beneficiary of that in the near term with the manufacturing offsets. we have an aggressive capital billed for that. the tax benefits will be helpful, but long-term, the research portions of the bill are huge for long-term leadership, as well. this is good for the industry and united states, and intel will be a beneficiary. i am proud to have it heading across the line. anna: thanks, pat gelsinger, the intel ceo. let's check where european markets have finished trading and here in the u.s., we finish for this friday, the european market up over 1% on the ftse, the dax up 1.5%, and finishing the week strongly, the month strongly. alix: a killer month here, for equities. we are up, up .7. i will carry through this conversation with the cable at the top of the hour at 2:00 p.m. in new york, 5:00 p.m. in london, and live on bloomberg digi

you covered pat cipollone extensively while reporting on the trump white house. his testimony bring to the committee's investigation? obviously he didn't want to do it and is now doing it under subpoena and in a carefully negotiated manner. >> yeah. he had fought receiving initially, but now of course he has agreed to come in and talk to the committee about this. his system, erin, could be potentially very consequential because he was there for key moments leading up to january 6th. of course following the election that trump lost, he was there the afternoon of january 6th. this could be really pivotal for the committee. it certainly a big get given he had pushed back against testifying. he had gone in for a formal interview back in april. it wasn't under oath or transcribed. that's where this one will be different. you won't see him testify publically. instead, he's expected to meet with a committee behind closed doors. my colleague said it will be videotaped. it will be transcribed and it will be under oath, of course. that is why this is a big deal. i spoke wi

he certainly did not get that with pat cipollone today. this testimony that was just from last week, when it was recorded, the clubs that they played of him describing his final days in the white house, including the mid december meeting that went off the rails even by trump white house standards are there was a lot of shouting at times in the halls of the west wing. this is where he and other white house attorneys were talking about just how loud and then send the meeting was. i was stretched on for hours. and he also said he had pushed president trump to concede the election. it was clear that he had lost and that there was no widespread fraud that had taken place. i think there are certain moments of these hearings that have gone on that have really bothered the former president. for example, when they played that clip of ibaka trump saying that she believed the attorney general bill barr when he said there was no widespread fraud in the election. that moment from today's hearing was unprompted. asked if he could say a word about vice p

pat cipollone is a smart, sophisticated guy. i'm sure he answered their question and protected things like executive privilege. >> raymond: that's a great point. the committee is trying to establish that trump wanted to join protesters at the capitol on january 6th which probably proves nothing but as you mention, pat's attorneys negotiated with this committee for months over concerns about executive privilege. why is that so important? >> we have a constitutional system that has a separation of power. congress should not be able to sniff into and look into the advice that the president is getting from his most trusted advisors, especially his lawyers, white house counsel. this is a very important area that needs to be protected. remember pat was able to negotiate through his lawyers that he was not actually subpoenaed. he voluntarily. >> raymond: one of the big questions for pat. >> what did trump know it will today say to you about whether or not what was happening was right or wrong. as white house counsel, there's a lot he c

i could be wrong but that's not the pat cipollone that i know.e is required to do. this is a lawful issued subpoena. i think the larger issue here that we have to zoom back out and look at is looking at the committee process over the time that it's been doing this work and there have been so many stories and information not told voluntarily. it was only told and only came fort into the public after people required to do because of subpoenas and the requirement. that's a huge abdication of the responsibility. they sit on information that need to come forth and tell the stories. >> will he do that or claim executive privilege or other reasons for not answering questions? >> he could. he might. we are a law and order country. making sure that people tell the story they will need to tell. >> democratic congressman crow of colorado, thank you so much. we'll continue this conversation down the road. >>> courtroom drama as wnba star brittney griner pleads guilty. we have a new statement just out from her legal team. >>> more of many i interview with ukr

don mcgahn was terrific and pat cipollone was also terrific. credentials on these guys professionally and politically are really high. >> it's going to be very interesting to see what we are able to get when the hearings resume next week. jim schultz, thank you as always for being with us. really appreciate your time. steve, francis, and scott, stay with us. we're going to continue our discussion. should there be consequences for any lawmaker involved in insurrection planning? what the voters say up next. this tiny payment thing- is a giant pain! hi ladies! alex from u.s. bank! can she help? how about a comprehensive point of sale system... that can track inventory, manage schedules- and customize orders? that's what u.s. bank business essentials is for. (oven explosion) what about a new oven, can u.s. bank help us there? we can serve loans in as fast as 12 minutes. that would be a big help! huge! jumbo! ginormous! woo! -woo! finding ways to make your business boom. that's what u.s. bank is for. we'll get there together. it takes a village to s

he is there with good lawyers, like pat cipollone.ense attorney would argue , why is he entitled to listen to the bad ones? would also to show, in addition to the fact that they lost all the court cases, and nobody was reducing evidence, that the reliance on his bad lawyers, and his bad advisors was in bad faith. this is the point they're making earlier, more eloquently than me. this is a hard thing to do. was a lot of evidence of how vile trump is, how vindictive he is, how vain he is, you also have to show his reliance on bad lawyers, and bad advisors, was in bad faith. for a prosecutor to do that, they need a lot of evidence. they had to talk to all of the people in the room. that is what makes this a difficult journey. >> i go back to the metaphor of taking the wrong suitcase at the airport, and leaving with a unintentionally, because it looks like your suitcase. your total is not your suitcase, and there's a label on it that says it is not your suitcase. if you still take it out, are you liable? i still responsible for stealing?

that pat cipollone was on the job. he's a good lawyer, careful lawyer, he, i'm sure, gave his clients good advice. and we will learn whether the -- you know, we will learn how much of that, the client at the time took, and how much they didn't take. >>, you know, there's a -- one source that cnn spoke to tells us that cipollone's testimony underscores president trump's -- how damaging could his testimony be if he were to provide more detail about that time frame? >> i think what you're going to see is less about new information and probably corroborating information from other interviews that have taken place. so i don't think there's a bombshell there, but i think what will happen she said he didn't contradict any of the prior testimony which means he likely corroborated or confirmed it. >> that's one of the interest things. what was so jarring about cassidy hutchinson's testimony was the proximity. we've known the issues maybe not with the color or detail but as you peel back the onion, somebody in the room saying sp

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