pat buchanan, doesn't he actually still have a reason not to express those views? >> i disagree. i think george w. bush is being fatalistic. hoe talks about, in 50 years history will decide what his presidency will be like. cheney sees this as being put in ice as a failed presidency. let me give you an example. i don't know what cheney's position was, but my guess is he would have liked to have unleashed the israelis on iran or have gone himself, you know, had the united states take out those nuclear facilities. if he has a strong position and he felt that was the right position, and he was vetoed by the president, you follow the president when you were in there, but when you leave and write your memoirs i it's fair to say this is what i thought should be done, and here's what i said? >> tom, doesn't the loyalty extend to history, doesn't it extend to the time after office? >> well, up to a point i would say, lawrence. of course, i think the bush clan would say that. i mean, the bush -- >> how is the bush clan going to react to this? >> bush clan as you well know prides loyalty o

. >> i want to bring pat buchanan into the conversation again. pat, what we are seeing in the live pictures, members of the congressional delegation from both sides of the aisle and what we heard last night were political foes talking about how much they loved senator ted kennedy. his politics and his friendships didn't differentiate between parties, for sure. we saw that in some real genuine stories about how he dealt with people in a human level. >> well, mika, that's right. as i said, senator kennedy, frankly, back in 1968 after his brother, robert, was assassinated was not a controversial figure. he was a well-liked kennedy. he had a -- big gregarious fell oh wonderful smile. he had not become, if you will, the icon of american liberalism and the -- figure on the left that the conservatives made so much money off of by -- in fund-raising and things like that. but for those 50 years or 40 years after that, everybody who came in touch with him were finding out now and everybody who had an encounter with him, i met him and he invited me over to h

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pat buchanan was there.ut i am also a musician. i looked on woodstock as just an extraordinary event, but it wasn't a music festival. it turned into a cultural event. it really was a lot of people believe that was the end of the '60s. >> it was all drugs and booze in the mud. >> those of us in the nixon white house, we looked about it as, frankly, just a joke at the time. a huge joke. i it maybe a big cultural event now. >> that's inside the nixon white house! but it was pretty big at the time. all these guys didn't make it there, they were falling off the road, it was nuts! it was unbelievable! >> yeah. what was the highlight? was it richie valent or the who? >> one of the highlights, i can remember seeing pictures of pat and jimi hendrix taken together up there. >> jimi hendrix also just electrifying there. >> but this is the 40th anniversary. it is a big deal. >> it is a big deal. >> to some of us. >> absolutely. >> pat buchanan, aldermen alege are then shows it in the sink. ewww. gross. cool! (announcer)

. >> you know, tom, we have pat buchanan with us. jon meacham is with us and has a question for you. then we will get to pat. >> a classic brokaw question. tom, have you written about the greatest generation and you have written about the boomer generation. ted kennedy seems to be one unto himself. and having been born in 1932. where would you put him in the story of the country in terms of generational history from did 20th century and as we move forward? >> jon, you are putting on me on the spot. the bad generation i represented in a way, i was born in 1940. so my earliest memories are of the war. i was not a boomer. but i came to understand the boomers and the cultural unhappiness with the way the things were in the country. at the same time, i was a beneficiary of the greatest generation. i think that senator kennedy probably felt that way as well. he was raised, in effect, as a shadow of his brothers, both of whom served in the service. bobby at the end of world war ii but his brother was heroic and lost a brother in world war ii

pat buchanan andtibble. pat buy can 9 abuchanan and eleanor clift knew him well.ent will you you had a hand in bringing us bob. >> well, we shared offices on the same floor. 1750 pennsylvania avenue, a block from the white house. novak was instrumental in getting me on the mclaughlin group. we'd drive out there friday afternoon in his la baron convertible. he'd have a chicago cubs cap on. i thought he was my buddy. then you'd arrive at the studio, the red light would go on, he'd be lunging at me, wagging his finger in my face saying "eleanor clift and people of her ilk." i don't think i knew what ilk meant the first time of times. he loved the battle. but he was a reporter, and as somebody who was a reporter, i really admired. he had sources everywhere. buried in every bureaucracy. and he married one of lyndon johnson's secretaries for goodness sakes. so he had sources on the democratic side as well as the republican side. >> pat, i don't think i missed a single episode of "mclaughlin group." you and those guys were in your prime, 30 years younger. you and bob and

joe conason, and pat buchanan is a msnbc political analyst who is the leading voice in the conservative movement. pat, does it help or hurt to have the birthers out there if you're trying to win elections next year on the "r" side? >> i don't think it's going to be an issue next year. >> i mean the crazies out there. the far right. >> you're doing the birthers thing. you've given them' nor muss attention. year loving, it you fellows are loving it. cable news, the ratings are going up. >> where do you stand? >> i think barack obama, as i said, the honolulu advertisers closes the case for me -- >> but what's in the juice out there? why would somebody spend two seconds -- would any normal person in a free country push the idea that their president is foreign born and therefore ought to be picked up because he never went through a naturalization process. it's the same reason people thought lyndon johnson was behind -- >> they weren't calling in and all that stuff. >> same people did support george bush. he didn't act on new orleans because it was african-american folks being hurt. people ar

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let's talk to pat buchanan and eleanor clift about him. they were two people who were with him, bob novak, when he hit television pack in the first place on the great -- it's still on the air, "mclaughlin group." >>> we begin with that new nbc poll that explains the heat over health care. it really does. nbc news chuck todd is our political director, of course, at nbc news, and also the chief white house correspondent for nbc news. by the way, twinkle toes couldn't make it tonight. tom delay is working hard to get ready for "dancing with the stars." he took time out to begin his rehearsal. he'll be on tomorrow night. by the way, twinkle toes is his name. it's no longer the hammer. sorry, that's your job description. president obama's job approval -- thank you, chuck. we got a chuckle. >> had to give it to you. >> health care, 41%, the same as it was a month ago, 41% for it. 47% against it. no change there. also look at this. if you think the republicans are gaining in this mishmash, look again. 62% don't like what the republicans are doing

pat buchanan. >> it will do both. i mean the states will compete for the federal money expect that will give the federal government a whip hand here. but john this is a drop in the ocean. 4 to $5 billion in terms of the enormous education budget, state, local, federal we have got right now. george bush's no child left behind. i'm a bit of a cynic but test scores have been dropping since 1964 in this country. sometimes up a little bit. basically the trend line is down. the collapse of the family, the culture has affected this. you know, -- from kids coming to school without aptitude and interest and things like that. i don't think we're getting at the basic problem at all. we're throwing more money to a industry that has fundamentally failed america. >> eleanor? >> this is the most discretionary money any secretary of education has had. it probably combines the sums that all of the several recent secretaries have had. o to set up a competition among the states in terms of charter schools, innovative projects, i think i

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pat, right? improve their aim a bit. >> that's right. >> so, buchanan, with that warm introduction -- >> got what they deserved, joe. >> let's not refight 1968, okay? so, pat, we've been at this now for about an hour, hour and a half, but there are a lot of people just waking up and just learning ted kennedy has passed away. give us your impression of ted kennedy and the impact he had on this country and what your thoughts are this morning. >> well, be his impact was extraordinary. you mentioned legislation and people have forgotten ted kennedy was floor manager of the 1965 immigration bill which has changeded the character of the united states of america forever. he was an extraordinary legislator. he would work with other people because despite his partisanship he has that big, booming laugh. he was well liked. tremendously well liked. let me tell you an anecdote. as a member of the kennedy extended family who worked in the council office of the white house under george w. bush and he had to go up to the hill and he took a notification of people that were going to be appointed to the federal ap

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i don't buy the pat buchanan thing.ook better when you help people in this world and the other guys look like the bad guys. thank you. >>> join us tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern for more of "hardball." now it's time for "the ed show" with ed schultz. >>> i'm ed schultz. this is "the ed show." >>> good evening, live from 30 rock in new york, it's "the ed show" on msnbc. i'm lawrence o'donnell sitting if nor ed schultz this week, who has gone fishing. >>> the democrats are hitting back on the after-turf campaign against health care reform, but is a strongly worded press release an effective counterpunch to a screaming mob? i'll ask a congressman recently forced to flee his own event. >>> bill clinton to the rescue. there are so many angles to the north korea story. gore and clinton, clinton and clinton, clinton and obama. oh, and the two women who were reunited with their families today. yeah, yeah, they were there, too. >>> "new york times" columnist maureen dodd joins me to try to make sense of it all, coming u

i don't buy the pat buchanan thing. you look better when you help people in this world and the other guys look like the bad guys. thank you. >>> join us tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern for more of "hardball." >>> which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? mob rule. the leader of the freshman democrats in the house says one congressman has already been physically assaulted by a phony grass roots agitator. when you look at the fervor of some of these people all whipped up by the right wing talking heads on fox to me you're crossing a line said representative jerry connelly of virginia. they are inciting people to riot. in this atmosphere the president is criticizing democratic criticism of the blue dog democrats. and still clinging to bipartisanship. >> i would prefer republicans working with us on this because i think it's in the interests of everybody. >> making a sow's ear out of a silk purse conservatives trying to spin the release of euna lee and laura ling into a diplomatic disaster. and limb

you sound like pat buchanan now. >> i am sorry mr. t. i hope we all see it where it's ludicrous. every single one of us ascended from the first, we are all actually cousins. >> when people go see it, what is going to pull them in? >> i think hopefully what will pull them is is it's a thriller, the nail-biting, edge-of-your-seat thriller. the two guys involved are basically ordinary men caught up in extraordinary circumstances. it's the ordinariness that i want to portray and play, and they are caught up in the amazing roller coaster. >> you play opposite the young man jim stugess. this is a guy still in hiding. tell us his story? >> he was an infiltrator, and he was found out and his life was severely threatened and he moved to another part of the world and had several bullets pumped into him in what he thought was a safe area. he cannot return to his family or ireland. he is in disguise all the time. one of the most wonderful shots -- a woman directed this shot. you see the two men, myself and jim, reversing out of the frame. in other

pat buchanan, let me ask you. what do you think is going on here. can you remember a precedent for something like this? >> i think jimmy carter -- jesse jackson went into syria, i think, to get those two flyers back or one african-american flyer that had been shot down. i think jimmy carter went into north korea in 1994 to try to negotiate some kind of deal and prevent some kind of attack on their nuclear facilities. but it's a relative rarity. it tends to happen in democratic administrations, willie. >> joe, a fascinating choice, bill clinton, a man who kept at arm's length the obama campaign. what do you make of this. >> you hear a lot of obama surrogates still in the press. john conison, i wouldn't call tina brown a surrogate but certainly close to the clintons in new york to get more involved, more involved in health care. instead of health care, they are sending him to north korea. just for the record and i don't mean to be negative but i feel a need to bring this up since pat did. bill clinton sent jimmy carter to strike a historic deal in 199

all right, pat buchanan, thank you so much for being with us. richard, thank you so much. yes, pat?listening to chuck berry. you've got that style. >> you didn't see me duck walk across the stage after it was all over. >> you're too old to duck walk, joe. >> i am. i have a bad back, as you know. thank you, pat. thank you so much, richard. great having you here. and of course richard's book "war of necessity/war of choice." get it. it is a great read. peggy, stay with us. coming up next, "mourn joe" has a look at the cover of "vanity fair." leslie bennett wrote explosive cover story on ryan o'neal and farrah fawcett in the latest issue and i had to get her on after my wife said to me did you hear what ryan o'neal said? seriously, to his daughter at the funeral. and there are a hundred horrible stories. it's shocking stuff. also, speaking of shocking and crazy, lawrence o'donnell next. new blackberry, huh ? yeah. ♪ me too how sick is the web browsing !? all the apps... gps... video. yeah... you didn't get your blackberry with the verizon network, did you ? no. sorry. so it doesn't wor

. >> pat buchanan in d.c. >> hi, pat. >> willie geist up in new york. know, i twitter all the time -- >> right. >> and you have these people, this is the worst thing -- you know, buchanan and i and anybody else who's been out on the campaign, especially '93 and '94, we see those people all the time. i saw those people all the time in town hall meetings. they would sit there, scream and yell, you just listen to them. this has turned into such theater town. the people upset at the town hall meeting knows the cameras are on them. the democrats are saying, wait, let's try to make these people look like rabid dogs that want to blow up the world and republicans -- i saw a talk show i'll talk about last night where conservatives are ginning this up. i would say in 1800 thomas jefferson and james adams faced pretty hostile crowds. >> it's hurting the health care reform effort. it is. >> what i'm saying -- what do you mean by that? >> i think it's been very difficult for the white house to get their message out. you're hearing from these people. they're getting

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. >>> let's go to pat buchanan now. the president of the united states we learned from savannah guthrie is going over the text of the speech that he's going to deliver. as he delivers it on time in the next 15 minutes or so. pat buchanan is a presidential speech writer and communication writer. if you are writing a speech about ted kennedy for a president, what do you highlight about his life? >> i think you certainly highlight the length of his service to the country. you highlight the achievements he has -- what he has done and accomplished in those 47 years or how ever many he was in the united states senate. i think you talk about the individual as a friend, as someone you knew. you talk about how, in a moment, in your own presidential aspirations you came to help you out. i think you talk about the -- i would talk about the close of an era. maybe because it's not our generation is a kennedy generation. from the 1950s, with jack kennedy was married to the 56th convention and teddy kennedy coming on, following that.

i'm joined live to talk about it from washington by msnbc political analyst pat buchanan and democratictrategist maurice reid, and a good morning to the two of you. nice to see you both. >> good morning, alex wrshgs. >> good morning. >> pat, if you are advising the president, you know that he wants health reform passed. where does he go from here? >> i think when he comes back from splashing in the water at martha's convenientyard. he calls his leaders in in the house and the senate and says tell me exactly what you think you can get because i don't think you can get this, that, and the other thing, and i think he has to sort of knock the heads together to the degree he can and convince them to come up with a plan that has most of the features he wants. they're not going to get them all. you get through both houses and then in effect say this is my plan, and let's go all out and let's go together and stop tearing each other apart because we're killing ourselves. it's killing me. it's killing the party. we got to get something done. we can call substantive health care that i want to sign

for two men who have anything but rational conversation, bob shah rum, democratic strategist, pat buchanansinformation, bob, because some would say the white house contributed to itself, that there was a lot that the president said he said they had the endorsement of the aarp in his town hall in new hampshire. that is not the case, the aarp came out and said that today, he misstated his past position on the public option. so the white house has also contributed, has it not, to some of the confusion out there? >> i think that you can argue that, i suppose, but i think the comparison is actually ludicrous. if you look in the new york times this morning, people are saying things that this little bill will make america like russia, the existence of the republic is at stake. worst of all, aided and abelted by new england and sarah palin that the bill mandates mercy killing of the elderly, which is entirely untrue. the question is whether democracy is going to be overcome. i don't think it will in the end. i don't think it will, because there will be a backlash against these tactics, secondly, n

pat buchanan is from the right obviously. msnbc's political analyst. and mayor willie brown of san francisco, the former speaker of the california assembly, he's joining us right now. i want mayor brown to come in here. i haven't heard from you lately. is the president too wonky? does he lack heart in saying what he really believes in or what he really believes in, meaning health care for everybody i assume, won't that sell with the middle class who already have health insurance? what's going on here? what's not working? >> unfortunately, this is a different kind of president. this is a new politician on the block. he really says what he means. he really believes that health care should be done in a manner inconsistent with what obviously the nation is ready to succeed, ready to receive. i would guess that barack obama will sell his concept of health care. it's just that he's permitted five different congressional proposals to be out there. they've created confusion all over the lot. believe me, if you don't start out by saying i am not going to touch

let me go to you pat buchanan, you've been saying this, afghanistan is going to be a mess. there's no good way out of there. generals are asking for more troops. look at this "washington post" poll, pat. this puts the president in a terrible position. majority of americans now do not believe the war in afghanistan is worth fighting. i suspect the numbers will drop even more the longer we are there. what is a president to do? this president, any president, when you've got general and foreign policy experts saying afghanistan is the key to beating al qaeda. and yet, you've got the american people who say, enough. >> well, we've got 68,000 american troops either there or will be there in december, joe. crystal is going to say, it's not enough, needs more combat troops. i don't think the president can really start putting 20,000 more americans in there without reigniting the anti-war movement inside his own part. we cannot win with the troops we have. we can stave off defeat. if you pull out, it looks to me like you're seating the country to the taliban. there are no good choice

. >> we have pat buchanan with us. i don't think that was a good segway. hey, pat, she's a little rusty. got to work on those segways. pat is not that mean. pat, here's what i was thinking this morning, as i come in and i'm reading all of these horrible quotes and you've got the death panel from sarah palin -- >> evil. >> and then the evil and you have newt gingrich talking about the death penalty, nancy pelosi last week talking about swastikas and nazis at these town hall meetings. rush limbaugh calling them nazis and now nancy's calling these protesters un-american. what a colossal mess. we had the poll last week saying obama washington is divisive. it's just this is a mess. what do you do if you're inside the white house? how do you call a time-out and say enough already? >> i don't know how you do it, joe. joe, i'm afraid that all the beginning of the obama a administration, you are down there on the mall that's thousands and thousands of people that air of good feeling and national unity and the belief that obama may just be that agent of change that c

in the msnbc news bureau in washington, msnbc analyst pat buchanan.the secretary of state could not? >> it's a very difficult situation, north korea wanted a very high level envoy to come and retrieve the two journalists and secretary of state clinton was not in the position to do that because of the talks on the nuclear situation are at a stand still, north korea has detonated a nuclear weapon, so it would not be appropriate for a senior u.s. official to go there. >> plus he just said that north korea has no friends because of their nuclear activities? >> they have been trading insults back and forth. the white house has been trying to depict president bill clinton's mission there as a separate humanitarian mission unrelated to the ongoing diplomacy with the united states and north korea. it wouldn't happen witho >> pat, do you believe that? >> yeah, i think it certainly has been wired. i think north korea would not have the former president of the united states come to north korea, sit down with president kim jong-il and then send him home without t

i'm joined live by pat buchanan and democratic strategist, former edwards communications director, and good morning to the two of you. >> good morning, alex. >> good morning. >> pat, who is winning august? >> i think the protesters are winning august if we believe the polls. the president is under water on health care, some polls show him almost below 40% of approval, and above 50% disapproval. and in addition to that, the country apparently agrees with the protesters by 2 to 1. so i think the protesters are winning august. however, and i think the major overall great big health care pudding he's not going to get, but i think he can get something. >> chris, your take on who's winning august and why? >> listen, we'll speak frankly, the protesters and town has that have clearly got a lot of media attention have complicated things, made things more difficult for the white house and democrats. it's much more difficult in explaining a policy that in some cases is still coming together. what you saw in the town hall was him trying to attack head-on in terms of what you'll get from the policy

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i'm joined by msnbc political analyst pat buchanan and democratic strategist peter fenn. n as my boys. so i can see that again, because it's been so long, pat is it just the end of a post-election honey moon phase sclg. do you think there's something larger the president should be concerned about with these poll numbers? >> it's partly that. he had enormous popular support when he took office, even among republicans. his real problem on economic issues and health care, he is under water in a lot of polls. in other words, more people oppose the way he's handling things than approve. and some polls on spending and the deficit, he's down in the 30% range. peter and i were talking about this during the break. and what obama needs, he needs, "a," a big victory on health care after this august recess, or "b," the imperative is, that this economy, which does appear looks like it's bottoming out in the second quarter, that this come roaring back on fire, and people get confidence back and they start spending money. in which case the democrats could say, look, the republicans are t

bush was in office, pat buchanan was still seeing the ghost of woodstock. >> i think the people that believe as i do, traditionalists catholics, old school, america first types, we're dying out. i think that the cultural -- culture of the 1960's, its values, i regret to say are prevailing. chris: in the last campaign, john mccain got a big laugh with this. >> a few days ago, senator clinton tried to spend $1 million on the woodsto concert museum. my friends. i wasn't there. i'm sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. i wasee -- i was tied up at the time. but the fact is -- chris: when we come back, we talk about that political legacy. $350,000 kids. one reeked in the rain and it is still with us and scoops and predictions. and these top reporters. be right back. >> one, two, three. what are we fighting for? the next stop is vietnam. chris: welcome back that was country joe and the fish 40 years ago at woodstock. here's how huntley brinkley covered it the next night. >> more than 350,000 people, mostly young people showed up to hear the greatest rock groups in the country. >>

by my boys, msnbc political analyst pat buchanan, and democratic strategist peter fenn. when's the last time i said that? where have you both been? >> who was on -- someone was on vacation last week, pat who was that? >> i can't remember. >> i was driving back, alex, toward the bay bridge when you were on the air. >> sorry. i was convinced you were up in anchorage or fairbanks. we'll get to that another time. pat, with so many people saving money with this program, and so many dealers moving products, isn't this program one of the most successful stimulus measures? >> not only will agree with that, i was arguing back there months and months ago that this idea of basically a tax credit for folks who bought new american cars to save the car industry would be a terrific idea. and it would work. and it has, alex. and what makes it work is the people making the decisions here, they're not a big bureaucracy. it's a guy who says we got this old clunker here and maybe it's time to get a new car, and here's an opportunity. so he goes down to the show room. he picks out the car jus

for more on this let's bring in democratic strategist bob shrum, also joining us msnbc analyst pat buchanan, also the author of "state of emergency: the third world invasion and conquest of america." good to see you both this morning. >> morning, carlos. >> bob, who did i elicit a laugh from? from pat or bob? >> you know, it's sort of a predictable title for one of pat's books, but it will probably sell a lot of books on the right and help the republican party to permanent minority status. >> i've written two books since then, bob, and that was about the immigration debate which as you recall we won pretty well. >> oh, yeah, you really won. you managed to drive that hispanic vote for the republican presidential candidate down from 44% to 35%. and republicans can't win without 40% of the hispanic vote. >> we're doing just fine right now. i notice obama's in strategic retreat, bob. >> actually, you know what? you guys have brought this to the perfect place. i didn't even need to set this up. hey, bob, i'm going to go to you first. is pat right, is the president in strategic retreat at this po

joining us now, pat buchanan. msnbc's own.michael feldman, democratic strategist, who has some connection to past clinton/gored a minute tree veils, including health care. first, does it make any sense for the secretary of state to do something that is, first of all, partisan and political, which is not traditional, second of all, would remind people the last time democrats tried and failed to achieve health care? >> well, look, secretary clinton is an extraordinary resource, i can imagine her being part of a discussion internally about strategy and not unusual for administration to deploy all of their resources, cabinet secretaries and the like. that said, secretary clinton has an important day job. i don't know anything that hassan been reported. my sense, there is a health care team in place and work hard to get past it. the health care team is not clicking on all gears, pat buchanan. seems to me the republicans attacked the public option right away and now that, which wasn't even part of the original plan as the most impor

person at this table who has won the new hampshire primary, we'll let you have the last word, pat buchanan, and safe travels up to -- >> i'm looking for the pitch fork. it will be great. you think they'll be coming us, huh? media could be -- yeah, yeah. here come's pat's brigade. can you give me immunity or something. >> thanks so much. chuck todd, pb pb. coming up next, linda douglass from the white house. >>> plus, in ds the battle for america. the never before told stories from the historic 2008 presidential campaign. we'll have the authors here next. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. my daughter was with me. i took a bayer aspirin out of my purse and chewed it. my doctor said the bayer aspirin saved my life. please talk to your doctor about aspirin and your heart. i'm going to be grandma for a long time. when a tornado tore through holly, colorado, air life denver took to the air... their night-vision goggles keeping them safe on a perilous flight... and powering those precision goggles--- is the only battery air life trusts: duracell. trusted everywhere. look for new dura

did obama violate this protocol using terms like arrogance, dismissive, derisive, pat buchanan? >> yes, he did. i think thats with a mistake, and i think he's been scoring off his country repeatedly abroad, and i think it is hurting him very much with the american people. no doubt he's enormously popular and people welcome the first african-american president. he's gone abroad repeatedly to trinidad in front of the latin americans with the ortega thing and in effect apologizing for the record of the united states of of america, which actually in those years won the cold war for the west and the world. i think this is hurting him frankly pip talked to middle americans who kind of like him, and they say why is this guy going abroad and apologizing? he's the leader. he's the leader of the nation, head of government, and chief of state. he's got a duty to defend his country abroad. >> before we get carried away, let's go this. bush versus obama. mr. obama's predecessor, president george w. bush, was presented by the press as highly unpopular abroad. but the world demonstrablely has

pat buchanan? >> he's going to regret what is coming. >> he's not going to regret it.s been done before. it's a pattern established with this regime and at least keeps the lid on what could be a very dangerous place. >> did you see how fast obama got off the bill clinton subject? >> yes, could he spare it? >> just move it right around. >> this rescue mission which was a human tashian suck -- humanitarian success has the clinton name on it not an obama mission. >> do you disagree with it? >> no. >> we want them back but dependsen how you do it. >> there were unintended qentses to this. >> there are consequences to everything. >> exactly. >> that's the story of man. >> quickly. >> one thing with the humanitarian mission, they knew what the possible costs might be. i'm sure they will handle that reasonably well going forward and they did it well. >> it was a humanitarian official mission. >>> when we come back, death and its ethics. when planning for retirement these days, the forecast is full of ifs. if i'm too exposed to downturns. if i'll go through my savings too fast

pat buchanan? >> there is indeed because obama's perceived to have failed by now, john. the stimulus bill passed. nobody believes it worked. everybody believes it's a boon dooling. another policy thing that came through the house with no chance to get through the senate. third on health care, his biggest project coming along. people are peeling off left, right and center. he's not going to get any preg res before august. the major bill will be dead by the fall. i think what's happened, john, is obama's still personally well liked, but the people thought here was someone who really represented something different, real change, somebody who could work through the center. they've come to believe that these are tax and spend liberals just like the guys that went before them. i think he's sinking, john. it's hard to see anywhere where he's going to have any great gain. this economy has got to turn around for him, or his party's going to lose 40 seats in 2010. >> well, he needs a victory, and he actually got one on friday when the house of representatives overwhelmingly approv

pat buchanan, charles cook. >>> up next, house majority leader tom delay has been called the hammer forr. can you see this guy do the cha cha cha, the tango? might be the texas two-step. we're looking at this guy. does everybody want to be on the stage? guys... the blue goes on the left. (announcer) getting ready for the big game? ohhhh... bring it. bounty extra soft-- the bounty with a little extra softness! it's super absorbent. and it works extra hard for your money. in this lab demo, one sheet of bounty extra soft out-scrubs two sheets of the bargain brand. game on. bounty extra soft. look for new prints. >>> back to "hardball." time for the "sideshow." first, a sugar plum for the ages. guess. go ahead, guess, who is just joining the cast of "dancing with the stars"? mr. tom delay. that's tom delay to you. the former house majority leader. the 62-year-old texas hard as nails congressman and soddy buster to the nth degree. a guy so tough they call him the hammer. delay says he's been working out like crazy to compete next month with 15 other reality contestants. he'll be on "hardball