with a leave that aside, pat cipollone, who you just quoted, frump is not a never trumper.e was trump's white house counsel. bill barr is not a white house counsel, he was trump's attorney general. were you giuliani -- and i just want to mention hope picks for a moment, because the committee today revealed evidence, from hope hicks. she was asked, and said by someone, the trump really needs to say something about the nonviolent. her answer, quote, i suggested several times monday and tuesday, and he refused. he refused to talk about the need for nonviolence. i think that tells you all you need to know, khalid premeditation, call it criminal intent, the house committees evidence here is very strong. >> he also refused to do anything, to stop the insurrection was going on. let's listen to testimony but what he did to, a three-day said made things even more dangerous for everyone there, especially mike pence. >> it was clear that it was escalating very quickly. so then, when that tweet, that mike pence tweet was sent out, i said that is the last thing that needed to be tweeted

today, trump's former white house counsel's pat cipollone and pat film and spent federal hours insideeral courthouse in washington d. c.. they reportedly were testifying in front of at least one grand jury. special counsel jack smith is leading the investigations into trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, as well as his handling of classified documents that were seized from mar-a-lago over the summer. cipollone and filming were inside the trump white house of course during the final days of his administration. cipollone has already testified to the january 6th committee. >> there was a real question in my mind and a real concern, particularly after the attorney general had reached the conclusion that there was a sufficient election fraud to change the outcome of the election when other people kept suggesting that there was. they have the federal government seized voting machines, that is a terrible idea for the country. that is not how we do things in the united states. >> he had all sorts of concerns, but during that committee testimony, cipollone repeatedly cited executive

. >> meanwhile, quite separately, we -- we saw pat cipollone, his assistant had philbin walking into a court in d.c., a place where we believe this grand jury is seated. we saw prosecutors in that case, also walking into that court, nbc reporters observe them getting off on the floor we believe the grand jury seated. what do you make of any of that and the tie between the january six investigation, and the monologue and mastication? >> so, it's interesting knows. we now have a special counsel who is looking at both the january 6th investigation, and the mar-a-lago investigation. it's not clear to us whether those are being considered by the same grand jury, or tried to separate grand juries. if so, whether these former white house counsel lawyers were there to testify to one grandeur, or perhaps too. both but however this plays out, this is a very important development, because these are folks who have resisted testifying only in the sense that they understand that their job is to protect the institution of the presidency. and once property subpoenaed and ordered to testify, they wil

what does that say about the importance of pat cipollone as a witness to doj? >> well, nicolle, i think it's extraordinarily important that you had people like pat cipollone, that you had people who regardless of the chaos were still willing to stand up in the last days of the administration and say you can't do this. if they couldn't persuade him to sort of try to explain to him the political liability, the legal liability that he might face if he did these things. now, what's astounding on the one hand you did a great job on the run up showing on the one hand his public statements that he was making about the protesters and then contrasting that with the things in these private conversations where he wanted to pardon all the folks. the question of, well, what does he want to do? we know what he wants to do because the fact is that right now as a declared candidate for president in 2024 he is making statements and throwing out the idea that if elected as a president in the future he will still go ahead and pardon all these people. so when you look at all the b

pat cipollone, who a judge cleared to go in and answer questions. his deputy, patrick philbin, molly michael, trump's executive assistant, who went with him to mar-a-lago, dan scavino, as you just mentioned. william russell, another white house aide, and william harrison, another white house aide. they might have been involved in things like moving and packing, but we don't know that at this point. andrew wiseman, it seems like with that group of individual, you will absolutely get to the bottom of what happened with the classified documents taken to mar-a-lago. >> sure. let me just focus on the three -- first, pat cipollone and pat philbin. they were counsel at the white house. they were also designated by the former president as being his representatives to the national archives. i strongly suspect that they would be willing to answer any of their communications directly with donald trump or either as president or as the former president and they will be able to testify about those conversations. what did they tell them about those documents, whet

pat cipollone, i was skimming through it. he does answer questions. he does provide information.for proof of concept in georgia. he seems like the glue. >> we know what our holiday reading list is. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney. appreciate your time tonight. >>> when we come back, we have much more on the january 6th report. all 800 plus pages of it. and the new transcripts that are just out tonight. one thing we are learning more about in all of this is the role of the secret service and law enforcement on that day. we are going to get to all of this when we return. stay with us. unlike many other products, downy rinse & refresh doesn't cover odors or leave residues... it helps remove them. it's safe on all fabrics and gentle on skin -- just add to your fabric softener tray. downy rinse & refresh helps remove odors up to 3 times better than detergent alone, so fabrics look and smell clean. try new downy rinse & refresh. guaranteed or your money back. find it in the fabric softener aisle or online. nicorette knows quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like...

his former boss pat cipollone testifying earlier. both men declined to answer certain questions citing the former president's claims of executive and attorney-client privilege. in the meantime the house january 6th committee met today on whether to defer criminal charges against the former president and others to the department of justice. sara murray has been doing reporting on this. she joins us now. do we know anything about pat cipollone's appearance to the grand jury today? >> what prosecutors want is more information about conversations these two men had with former president trump directly and advice they gave him. obviously we don't know exactly what they told the grand jury. those proceedings are secret, but we know these are people who are in close proximity to donald trump in the final days in the aftermath when he lost the presidency. we know cipollone pushed back on a number of efforts trump was making to try to overturn the election. we know he and philbin both pushed back. obviously they have a lot of information, a lo

it pat cipollone was there today to testify, it appears that maybe they have resolved those issues and he is going forward to answer questions. i don't know which case those questions are going to be about, whether he is going to talk about both cases but usually you start talking to the people in the inner circle later in the investigation as opposed to earlier, so it suggests a maturing of the investigation, and maybe a point where they're getting closer to making a charging decision. >> barbara mcquade, thank you very much for what is always a very interesting conversation about the inner workings of the department of justice, as fash as we can tell from the outside at least. barb, thanks so much. >>> and calling all political journalists, and democratic campaign staffers, you might not have to pack your sub-zero clothing for the start of the 2024 primary season. president biden is trying to get the party to ditch iowa and start the nominating contest in south carolina, beyond the better weather and no offense better food, starting in the palmetto state would align better with the m

. >> pat cipollone, white house counsel, and answer questions before he was deposed by you- all but henes as to what he would not answer, presumably those lines don't exist, what questions from him would you want answers to? >> he will assert, some of those lines and try to make the case for the justice department and they will have to consider are they ready to present in court, what are the chances of winning in court, how long would it take, part of the calculus we had to entertain, almost 2 years into it, and still litigating some of the issues, sadly a tried and true tactic, to delay and delay, just delayed would be justice denied, and i think a process of a different kind of negotiation with the witnesses, the department of justice will have a lot more leverage and can move much more quickly than the congress. >> you know the bar is obviously high though not insurmountable to convict attorneys for their advice and actions, what evidence have you seen about rudy giuliani specifically that prompted the criminal referral for him?>> rudy giuliani was well aware that there was no evid

and pat cipollone said, no. not one. yet here we have mike pence trying to blame the lawyers. right there. we heard the lawyers. all against this horrible plan. all desperate to get donald trump to call the insurrection to send the mobsters off when mike pence's life was this danger. all despaired when he refused to do it. every single one. yet, david, we have known mike poens for a long time. so diskournled for such a long part of donald trump's administration. how he just shamed himself. he humiliated himself. on january 6 i was so proud of him. standing up for american democracy. okay. all's well that ends well. now we have him back in the old role of really humiliating himself and lying for donald trump. >> might as well speak his mind. he did the right thing at the moment it counted but since then writing op-eds after op-eds. the case for hanging mike pence. pat cipollone who said no and defended what happened on january 6 and led president trump's defense in the first impeachment trial trying to avert the election. trying to prevert the election but blackmailing ukraine

so this came up in a deposition with the former white house counsel, pat cipollone, and the committeeat the end of the draft statement said this, anybody that thinks there wasn't massive fraud in the 2020 election should be fired. now, pat cipollone said that he has no recollection of this draft statement, that he has no recollection of staffers asking him if it would be okay to post this on social media. he did quip to the committee, wolf, that he said, by the way, i wasn't fired because, of course, he also did not believe that there was widespread election fraud. so there have been a lot of details that have come out in these transcripts in the wake of the report that was released last week and we're expecting a deluge of other transcripts before the end of the year. >> looking forward to those transcripts. how is the trump team right now, jessica, countering the committee's evidence that's being released? >> they're really downplaying all of it, as we're seeing this drip, drip, drip of information from the committee. they're saying that these referrals are worthless. of course, the

. >> and evan, just this morning, pat cipollone was seen entering the grand jury area in the district courthouse in washington. this follows your reporting that a judge ordered him and his deputy to testify. there we see the video. >> yeah, this is a -- another losing battle for the former president. he's been trying to claim executive executive privilege and attorney client privilege to prevent the testimony from some of the former top aides. the two top lawyers in the form he trump white house and they have appeared back in september before the grand jury and they declined to answer certain questions because of the former president's claim of executive privilege and fought out behind the scenes in a secret court proceeding and the judge rule in the recent days that they had to come back and answer additional questions and very key here, the former president has the option to -- to appeal that, but as we've seen in other cases, it appears that they couldn't get their stuff together in time to get that appeal and you could see the justice department bringing in pat cipollone to do tha

as you reported, pat cipollone, patrick fill pin seen. now we know they were testifying to the grand jury. how crucial is their testimony to that investigation by doj? >> i think it's not like doj was waiting around to sew what the committee was going to turn up. they moved ahead with their own investigation. a lot of that has been happening quietly. what is happening in front of the grand jiri is secret. when you look at pat cipollone, he was the top white house attorney, he was there when the former president was coming up with ideas and efforts with his aides about how to subvert the peacest peaceful transition of power. the fact that they returned to the grand jury means most likely questions they wouldn't answer about direct conversations with donald trump because of privilege issues. the fact that judge ordered them to go back there means that's the kind of information prosecutors are getting, conversations that these folks were having with the former president. >> to that point, how much more, i mean, obviously, we are certainly no

pat cipollone was seen entering the u.s. district courthouse this morning.al judge's order to give additional grand jury testimony in the doj investigation over attempts to overturn the 2020 election. katelyn polantz has the details. what are you learning. >> this is a big day for donald trump and for special council jack smith leading this investigation around january 6. so the grand jury is very likely to hear more about trump and his white house leading up to january 6 after the election, all of those efforts to put pressure on mike pence and potentially block congress from certifying the presidency of joe biden and cipollone really is the top figure here that smith had wanted the grand jury to hear from. he had been in once, there were certain things they tried to block him from answer, potentially things like legal advice he was giving to the president, direct conversations he would have had with the president at that time. trump's approach failed in court and we were able to report that yesterday and now there you see pat cipollone going into the grand

a federal judge ordering his former white house counsel pat cipollon

you know pat cipollone, pat feldman who are testifying before the january six case, they also have a lot of information about the mar-a-lago documents case as well. so, these are two witnesses who know all about what donald trump did or did not do in both of these cases and the fact that they are now testifying before the grand jury, in the sea, before the january six grand jury, is not good for donald trump. we saw that pat cipollone said before the house committee, and there are multiple times when he was condemning donald trump's actions on january 6th and he was brought up to the line, or was about to say something more about donald trump, and he invoked executive privilege. the house committee could not do anything to force him to testify. well now grand jury is going to hear that testimony because those executive privilege arguments have been ruled out by the judge. >> mr. bennett, new topic. let's talk kanye west. antisemitic, awful, disgusting, rant today. kevin mccarthy criticized him when asked about it. however, kevin mccarthy has a whole lot of far-right colleagues in his

there is a really importan missing piece here which is, what pat cipollone told donald trump.if you read chapter five there is a discussion for example of a raw meeting where cipollon was excluded from the meetin but they don't know, the committee doesn't know exactly why, because cipollone refused to answer questions around the subject regarding, because o executive privilege he refused to say what excites he gave trump and what he tol trump privately about this this is all questions we kno the justice department is goin to be able to ask cipollone -- subpoena, we also know the have done so in other words, they have gone and obtained that testimony an got the court order that the need and he has in fact, testifie it and i expect their initia questions -- what did you say to donald trump. what knowledge - what did he say in response. pat cipollone could very wel -- >> really, really good point that was extremely, extremel useful and illuminating for me joyce vance, you're mariotti thank you for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it up next, congress quietl passes a fix to

the intriguing call-out section, where they praise for example pat cipollone but blasted donald trump and kale yeah mcenany and when those transcripts are released, there is even more. let's turn to ali vitali on capitol hill, she was inside the hearing room and with us, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. and carol leonig is with us pulitzer prize national investigative reporting with the "washington post" and the co-author of the book "i alone can fix it, donald trump's catastrophic final year." ali, i will start you with in the room. kind of interesting here, color-wise, not as many members of congress were in the room as previous hearings and as the committee members are coming out and we had ms. luria on msnbc, tell us where this goes next, tell us where the next shoe to drop is going to be. >> look, in my conversations with those members, as they were leaving the room, many of the questions that we asked them were answered with, you'll have to see it in the report on wednesday. for example, when you guys say, on the charges of obstruction and conspiracy

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we have been talking about pat cipollone, dan sabino just to name just a few.vestigations? >> it is telling me that he is moving very quickly. now, yesterday, was when the court said that pat had to testify, cipollone was ten hours. filament was for. six and four, for a total of ten hours. that is a lot of questions to answer in front of a grand jury. it is an informal situation, questions come at you very quickly. i am shocked they got that all done today. remember, as of yesterday, the trump people were saying that maybe they were going to appeal this order. but they did not have time to file the notice of appeal because jack smith. >> i mean, i follow you lawyers, i did not think that you guys moved that fast. he is moving fast. cynthia ochsner, harry lippman, thank you both very much. coming up, the newly elected freshman representative to lead the incoming class of democratic house members joins us in tonight's winner circle. congresswoman-elect, jasmine crockett is next. every year you're with us, you get fifty dollars toward your home deductible. it's a

nbc news spotted former white house lawyers pat cipollone and pat philbin at the federal courthouse inpeared in front of at least one granted jerry. this is while there are several ongoing probes into donald trump. how concerned should donald trump and his team be, seeing those two attorneys again at that courthouse. right, now giving repeat performances before a grand jury. i will repeat the, recollection there was a claim of executive privilege that was. raised they are not back. that's just to the juries that perhaps the executive privilege is now, gone and they have had to answer questions in front of that grand jury? >> i think it does, casey. and last week's, in my judgment, the worst legal week that trump has ever seen. the fact that these two are testifying in front of the grand jury is a big part of that. we do not know if they were testifying exclusively about january six. there are reports that their subpoenas came from one of the doj, lawyers who was reportedly working on that aspect of what is now the special counsel's investigation. they could also have testified about ma

there is a really importan missing piece here which is, what pat cipollone told donald trump.if you read chapter five there is a discussion for example of a raw meeting where cipollon was excluded from the meetin but they don't know, the committee doesn't know exactly why, because cipollone refused to answer questions around the subject regarding, because o executive privilege he refused to say what excites he gave trump and what he tol trump privately about this this is all questions we kno the justice department is goin to be able to ask cipollone -- subpoena, we also know the have done so in other words, they have gone and obtained that testimony an got the court order that the need and he has in fact, testifie it and i expect their initia questions -- what did you say to donald trump. what knowledge - what did he say in response. pat cipollone could very wel -- >> really, really good point that was extremely, extremel useful and illuminating for me joyce vance, you're mariotti thank you for joining me tonight. i really appreciate it up next, congress quietl passes a fix to

white house counsel pat cipollone rejected it. cipollone also rejected trump's idea that all white house staff should receive a pardon. trump reportedly saying, quote, well, just so they can't go after them for any little thing and cipollone saying in response, yeah, but no one here has done anything wrong now. emily, that might be up for debate if no one dd anything wrong there. and i guess thanks to pat cipollone for his counsel on this one. why pardon anyone or anything if nothing was done wrong? >> i mean trump's lawyers will argue in defense it becomes an issue in court that he was just acting preventatively, he's someone who likes to use the power of the presidency in unorthodox ways, this is just an example of that. he was doing a favor on the off chance there was any potential for criminal liability. and i think your question will be a good one whether that's really a believable explanation for this idea of a blanket pardon. >> hugo, cassidy hutchinson also testifying qanon was often brought up in meetings saying, quote, i

the first one, right at the to of the list, pat cipollone, wh turned out to be one of th most crucialtook quit some time for them to get in front of them. but you mentioned, william barr what i am most interested in and kind of the ones that i' going to, first, are the transcripts of which we did no see that much of these individuals over the course of the hearings and that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't provid important information. it just didn't make it into th kind of production that you ar talking about with rober draper before he came to me. so, for instance, hope hicks her transcript, that's the one i was actually reading befor he came to me. they've only shown a very tiny bit of her transcript, and i was just in this last business meeting that they held a coupl of days ago. so, we've never seen any o that transcript part that. so, that's one that's of interest you mentioned mike pompeo. we did not see much from mik pompeo during the hearings so, it will be interesting t go in there and see some o that and then, the only thing i wil say about kind of my interes level

. >> joyce vance reporting tonight in the new york times that white house counsel pat cipollone and his chief deputy white house counsel both testifying to the grand jury in washington, it is investigating donald trump's involvement in january six and possible attempts to overturn the election. cipollone certainly is an under oath witness that you would want in this documents case to because he reportedly told donald trump that he had to return these documents and at a certain point cipollone was the kind of official custodian post presidency for these documents. >> you really have to have cipollone under oath in the grandeur if you're thinking about indicting the mar-a-lago documents case, you have to know what he is going to say whether it is good for your case as a prosecutor or whether perhaps it is a school towards trump. but one suspect said there is very little in this matter that is exculpatory towards trump, cipollone is on record as having said that he and others in his situation were advising trump, had to turn over documents, it will be very helpful for the special counsel t

seems the dispute whether pat cipollone and the other white house lawyer would have to testify about their conversations directly with donald trump. the holdup was they were claims, somebody was claiming, those conversations were protected by executive privilege. and reporting is that doj went to a judge and contested that saying these are not protected conversations. they should have to testify about them. the fact pat cipollone and philbin went back into the grand jury that can happen, tells me doj likely won the rulings and able to ask these lawyers what were your conversations directly with donald trump. remember, in the january 6th testimony gave important and interesting testimony but refused to answer those questions claiming executive privilege. seems doj may now have pierced through that barrier and gotten that crucial testimony. >> fascinating stuff. turning now to the january 6th committee, the panel met yesterday, a final meeting. full final report is expected to be released soon. what are you most going to look for out of that report? >> of course, i think everyone's loo

pat cipollone, and vice president mike pence's chief of staff mark short are among them.y information about what happened on january 6th and the days leading up to the insurrection. we're going through the transcripts as we speak and we'll be bringing you any of the new information as we get it. it's a lot of pages and it's a lot of transcripts just released tonight. also on the list of the newly released transcripts, trump's close aide and former communications director hope hicks. we're learning from her that she testified that the former president knew the claims his people were promoting weren't only false, that they were, quote, crazy. hicks said in a phone call with trump that lawyer sidney powell was laying out the outlandish claim that venezuela, cuba, and china were involved in rigging voting machines against him. and according to hicks, this. while she was speaking, the president muted his speakerphone and laughed at powell, telling the others in the room, this does sound crazy, doesn't it? yet, the president clearly continued pushing those same baseless claims

meanwhile, trump white house counsel pat cipollone and his deputy patrick fill men were both back atrief appearance back in september. back in september, that court date, both of them came in and left shortly after they asserted executive privilege as donald trump bought a secret court battle to keep their testimony from the grand jury. but trump failed in that effort. and today cipollone spent roughly six hours inside with phil been spending four hours there. this all shows how seriously and quickly the department of justice is moving which is what the special counsel had promised. for more on all this grand jury activity i want to bring in renato mariotti, a former prosecutor a current current affairs columnist for -- magazine. in a general level, if my lawyers were ever testifying before a grand jury about stuff with me i would be nervous as a general matter because you don't really want to be doing that? >> absolutely and part of the reason why is because you are [inaudible] with your lawyers. they come fred bystander gonna tell me exactly how they feel about things but their fea

trump's former white house council pat cipollone and deputy patrick philbin spotted at court in doj'son the capitol is feeling the crunch. they huddled behind closed doors for hours on friday as they try to nail down the details of their final report and a number of other decisions. they have just weeks to make before the committee's work ends. in addition to the final report, they are still trying to make decisions about whether to move forward with any criminal referrals. committee members say those decisions could be forthcoming in the coming days. so they are also trying to figure out how to present certain evidence in their report, evidence of potential perjury, potential witness tampering, potential obstruction. lastly, they are trying to figure out what to do with the five republican lawmakers, people including kevin mccarthy, including jim jordan, who did not comply with committee subpoenas. chairman thompson said they have a couple options. they could refer them to the ethics committee, hold them in contempt of congress or do nothing. what is clear is this committee has a tal

pat cipollone, the trump white house counsel and his deputy, pat philbin were forced to appear beforeury about trump's efforts to overturn the election despite challenges from trump's legal team. what should we be watching for there? >> what was really interesting to me about this, jim, it is actually their second time testifying in this grand jury. they testified a few months ago. we reported evan perez and our team reported there was then a secret legal battle. nothing wrong with that because it is grand jury, it is supposed to be over, over executive privilege. now they're back and you can call them as a witness and it suggests to me doj prevailed on the argument and now doj is able to ask them what were your conversations directly with donald trump or at least about some of those conversations. to me that could really be crucial evidence. >> an appeals court also halted the special master review of the documents seized at mar-a-lago. that is significant. >> yeah, this will enable doj to speed up their investigation because under the special master those documents had to filter thr

at the white house, cassidy hutchinson recalled a conversation between pat cipollone and mark meadowsremember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark, we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very said this to mark, something to the effect of "mark, "something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be on your bleef’ hands". president trump called - mike pence a coward and placed all the blame on him for not stopping the certification. . he put a target on his own vice president's back. - at 2:26pm, mike pence was rushed down the stairs to a secure location inside the capitol building. the speaker of the house of representatives, nancy pelosi, was also trapped in. just horrendous, and all at the instigation of a president of the united states. at the white house staff were trying unsuccessfully to get trump to do something to stop the violent. there would need to be an immediate and for

i think the results, again, tonight showing that you can't pat cipollone from either column. it is highly competitive for a lot of really interesting reasons, divided our thanks to appreciate you spending the night with us. as it turned out, we didn't have to have that event. simpson, we have back there. we're going to bring her back in. our abc news contributors, democracy for america ceo bart simpson, former justice department official sarah escarra, we appreciate you guys coming back on the show that that might be a long night. right. have to catch a few words on that. but in the end, we're not projected to bail out the in a squeaker. >> but was this race a little too close to comfort for democrats? this is them in there. >> it was really close. but i'm so glad that we're not going to be there. >> he has been such an amazing voice. and this race was definitely to order. >> as i said earlier, it should not be this close to what candidates like this. hopefully this along with a lot of the races that we shut down over, as i'm sure you lake maybe this year. >> certainly, hopef

so, thought that was a revealing window, and after that, started on pat cipollone's but it got about halfway through and here we are. so, sorry i haven't read all of them yet >> let's give you a break. a lot came through. neil, hope hicks was just one of many tha when we got the report las night, we saw this was his fault, he caused this, we knew this would happen, and at th end of the day the report wa saying, the central cause of this insurrection was a single person, donald trump. that wil go down in the history books but, did they find enoug supporting evidence for jack smith to use in a criminal investigation? >> i think they did, staff. the report did something which i hadn't eve focused on, which was th timing. what it did wa basically say, look, there was a first phase. trump gives a speech at the ellipse, he' telling the crowd, let's tak back our country from an election stolen. you have to fight like hell. when you catc someone in a fraud, you can go by different rules. he says al of that. at the very same time the proud boys were attackin the capitol. that was phas one. wh

including pat cipollone, former white house council.ing to overturn the election results, on the other end, rudy giuliani, sidney powell, very much pushing him to overturn the results. jason miller, former senior adviser, bill stepien. justin clark, former senior adviser also testified to the committee behind closed doors, alex cannon, the former trump campaign lawyer. and matt morgan, general counsel, they could have provided significant testimony on what was going on behind closed doors and the legal advice that trump was getting. and then trump officials, offering bombshell testimony to the committee. including cassidy hutchinson, the former aide to meadows. she said many things that were pretty explosive that you'll recall at the time, including the story of trump lunging at the drive for the secret service motorcade. and matthew pottinger, the former nsa official who testified with sarah matthews who was just on our air. and kaleyyleigh mcenany. and doj officials, including steve engle. and jeffrey clark former acting head of doj c

we know they sat down with marc short, pat cipollone and others.ould be other evidence that the department of justice already has. one thing i want to note real quick, my general barometer for how successful a hearing is is how outraged the former president is. he went out and put out a screed on truth social in no way denying what was said basically saying i had requested troops at the capitol. he wanted 20,000 troops there. if you didn't incite a mob, there wouldn't be a need for troops and then blaming everyone from the department of justice to the fbi and bringing up hunter biden. he's clearly rattled by this. >> the criminal referrals are not trump's only concern. democrat led house ways and means committee will meet to decide what if anything should be done with the former president's tax returns. the clock is ticking. they only have two weeks left until they take over the house majority. >>> gasoline prices are continuing to fall but the latest prices show national average now standing at $3.12 a gallon. prices have cooled off significantly.

jason miller, bill stepien, pat cipollone, eric hirschman, bill barr, jeff rosen all part of trump's administration, they all testified under oath that donald trump knew he lost the election. he admitted it privately. very furiously and begrudgingly, but he admitted it privately. in my opinion, anything donald trump did after that point in time is fraudulent and a crime. the stop the steal fundraising he did, the gofundme page, he knew there was no steel to stop. like i said, i think anything he did after he privately acknowledged he lost, anything he did after that, was criminal in fraudulent. host: thank you, brenda. guest: i actually agree that the evidence that the former president knew he lost the election is overwhelming. i also think, as i said, the evidence of corrupt intent on part of the former president at various -- in conjunction with various steps he took, whether it is the phone call to the georgia secretary of state or the conversations with the former vice president, or other things. i think it is clear. when you are asking someone to find over 11,000 votes, come on,

that includes attorney general bill barr, white house lawyer pat cipollone, hope hicks, ca caylee macelhinneyd trump ice own daughter, ivanka trump. it was concluded president trump was spopdable for the insurrection at the capitol. as a senior counsel on the whitewater investigation, intimately familiar with a lot of angles that this report presents some of there are so many headlines here that have come out of this record, it's 845 pages. so much information to comb through. but when you look at it from your perspective, what is the biggest headline here? >> well w the caveat nobody could have possibly read 845 pages overnight, it strikes me the real headlines are the dep ofgt information about the action and activities of donald trump and his closest confederates mark meadows, john eastman, rudy giuliani, particularly with respect to the scheme to have fake electors sent from the states, false electors sent from the states, and the scheme to pressure georgia and they tried to change the rules after the election and steal those states for trump. that kind of depth of detail is re really. wi

float the idea of a blanke pardon for everyone involved i january 6th, and white house counsel pat cipollone said no. the committee makes a series o legislative recommendations to prevent what happened on january 6th from happening again. notably saying that congress should quote, consider creatin a mechanism for evaluating whether to bar those individuals identified in this report under section three o the 14th amendment from holdin future federal or state office in other words, as vice chai liz cheney put it during the committee's final hearing, quote, donald trump is unfit for any office joining us now, glenn kershner former federal prosecutor, and paul butler, professor of la at georgetown university and former federal prosecutor, bot are nbc legal analysts glenn, what stands out for you in terms of what the justice department will be looking a in this report and new witness transcripts? >> you know, there was a sleeper criminal referral that i think we saw when we ultimately learned what charge the j6 committee was referring donald trump to the department of justice for prosecution on.

are they signaling when they write something like, the committee believes white house counsel pat cipollonetance that they placed on cipollone as compared to other witnesses they considered evasive and not fully cooperating? >> apparently this report gives assessments of credibility of witnesses. which is important. if a witness is assembled in front of the congress, they want to know that. that isn't a liable witness. it may be someone who can be prosecuted or squeezed if they have important information. so all that will be signals to the department and it will be a record to study and pursue their own case. they'll make their own judgments though. very much so. yet, they'll have this additional material. cipollone is probably one of the key witnesses going forward if both the documents case out of mar-a-lago and the january 6th case go forward into trials. >> former president trump used the same language we've heard from nixon's press secretary calling it a kangaroo court. does the evidence from the january 6th committee overwhelm the talking points the way it did with watergate? or is it

pat cipollone, bill barr and kayleigh mcenany.f the most interesting things to come out of it was a revelation that when bill barr went public refuting the claims, they drafted a press release they never put out. but the press release would have attacked barr and said, quote, if anybody thinks there wasn't massive fraud in 2020 should be fired. whoa. they didn't put that out, but the committee obtained it from lt nat the national archives. >> there is a lot of new detail in this report. sit long. i tried to go through some of it. we heard about the panel's findings. are there proposals, for example, going to get traction in congress or potentially with the doj? >> you know, sara, beyond all the findings, looking backwards, you're right. the recommendations are so critical trying to look ahead and prevent another disaster from happening again. top of their list from the committee recommendations, they think congress should prohibit trump from ever holding office again. it seems like an uphill crime. they sent criminal referrals to

trump floated the idea and former white house counsel pat cipollone said no.nscripts add to the 845-page report released by the committee friday, detailing the extent of trump's plot to overturn the election. alleging that trump or his inner circle engaged in at least 200 apparent acts of public or private outreach, pressure, or condemnation targeting state officials to overturn election results. that includes 68 meetings, phone calls, or texts aimed at state or local officials 18 public remarks targeting them and 125 social media posts the report also provided damning everyday about trump's state of mind during the attack according to the report, as the violence was under way, a trump aide, robert gabriel, texted someone, potus, i'm sure, is loving this. the decision whether or not to pursue criminal charges against trump now lies with the justice department, but the committee made recommendations on how to prevent another january 6th from happening. notably urging congressional committees to examine a formal mechanism to evaluate barring trump and others men

trump floated the idea t former trump white house - counsel pat cipollone. the transcript after that 14 page report released by th committee friday, detailing th extent of trump's plot, to overturn the election. alleging that trump or his inner circle engaged in at least 200 apparent acts of public or private outreach pressure, or condemnatio targeting state officials to overturn election results. that includes 68 meetings, phone calls, or text aimed a state or local officials, an public remarks targeting them, and 125 social media posts the report also provided damning evidence about trump's state of mind during the attack according to the report, as th violence was underway, a trump aide, robert gabriel, texted someone, potus i'm sure is loving this. the decision whether or not to pursue criminal charges agains trump not lies with the justic department, but the committe they recommendations on how to prevent another january 6t rally happening. notably, congressional committees to examine a formal mechanism to evaluate barrin trump and others mentioned i th

we have this reporting, cnn reporting a federal judge has ordered top right house lawyers, pat cipollonepatrick philbin to provide additional grand jury costa mountie. rejecting former president trump's privilege claims in the justice department's criminal investigation on his effort to overturn the 2020 election. , -- we don't know how significant that may be, could be given cipollone and philbin being very close to a lot of the most egregious plotting the president was doing. >>, these were two of trump's top lawyers. they actually appear before the federal grand jury a few months ago. but they refused to answer some questions. claiming executive privilege, or attorney-client privilege. these were people who were to the main witnesses to conversations about the fake electors game. about whether the justice department should claim that the election was rigged, seized voting machines. and they say, they pushed back against all of this, they were the adults in the room and they've been acting like they wanted to tell their story. today, the federal court said, go right ahead. >> then ther

pat cipollone reportedly testifying for more than five hours. five hours is a lot of time to answer questions. you wonder how many times you can have a fruitful conversation about pleading the fifth in five hours. and yet, we know the biggest moment for the for the world cup, at least for team usa is yet to come as the underdogs take on the netherlands tomorrow. talk to someone who knows all about being a world cup champion, one of the biggest stars ever on the champion team, brandi chastain is with us. tonight ashley alison and scott jennings join me, and cnn analyst alex burns. glad to have you all here on a friday night. you're probably experiencing some dejavu. for election night or election season for georgia for it being a balance of power issue, and you would think people would say, we have been here before, seen this movie, move on. no. the opposite is happening. we're talking about record numbers of people turning out, even though, scott, they don't have a big ticket person meaning a governor or a full ballot. they've got one election a

also former top white house lawyers pat cipollone and p philbin. >> and only hours after wes praised hitler during an appearance on info wars with alex jones. >> china is signaling it may ease its zero tolerance. officials say china is facing a new stage and mission in pandemic control. >> but fuirst moderation. that is what the white house is hoping to see when they release the jobs number. president biden has enjoyed a string of numbers over the past week that suggest inflation could be cooling off. mj, what is the white house hoping to see in these november job number reports coming out later this hour? >> reporter: you're absolutely right that moderation really is the key word today. officials are hoping to see somewhere in the ballpark of around 200,000 new jobs created last month and that would further convince the white house that the economy is making the transition that it wants to see after a week of some positive economic data from their perspective. there was this key measure of consumer prices that slowed a little bit in october and then quarter three gdp growth was revi