in fact, just listen to the head of the new york police union pat lynch lashing out at police reform're asking us to pull back. they're asking us to walk away from you! they're asking us to abandon our communities! they're asking me to walk away from where i live. they're asking me to walk away from where i work! they're asking us to walk away from the neighborhoods that we brought back! and that's what's happening. and you know what? we don't have a choice! if we put our hands on the criminal, you're going to jail. i'm not being dramatic, that's how bad it is. >> trevor: okay. with all due respect, i think you are being dramatic. no policeman is going to jail for touching somebody. this is almost like the police version of those guys during #metoo. remember the guys who were like, so what, i can't even smile at a lady in the office anybody more? just cut my dick off now, we know that's coming next! nobody's asking police to abandon their communities. police are asking police to treat all communities like it is their community. think about the fact that this guy even says "we can't e

and other police officers, something wrong here, pat lynch is 100 was 100% right. and i feel it's going to get better. we need to do something to reinforce civil obedience in the city. >> dermot shea speaking on what happened. >> a cowardly despicable unprovoked attack on a defenseless police officer and thank god we are not planning a funeral right now. >> and to protect themselves. >> we have to take each other's backs. >> they are incite of a police officer. and it is a bad situation in the city of new york and criminals, they go to jail, in brooklyn south. there has been a lot of incidents, different notices coming from the kings plaza area. and something over there. it is another barrett business area. they need to get out there in force and make many cops at the stage of the game. this is not the last time you see a police officer get hurt because of these rioters. >> how do you change hearts and minds of people across the nation. this is not the first time we have this conversation, things need to change between civilians and those, and keep people safe. don

pat lynch wanted zero account ability for him. and here in st.one of the worst unions in the country, the st. louis police officers association, here, governor cuomo, we've admired how you handled the coronavirus but flat dead wrong about how police and what they will do in protest situations. the last major protest was in the aftermath of the jason stockily verdict, a guy who murdered a guy and planted a gun on him. and officers here in st. louis beat a protester so bad, that he lost his career. unfortunately, his career was as a st. louis police officer. he was undercover. so that's how we know that one happened. >> can i ask you, this is slightly off topic, and i want to get back to this, but psychologically, when you view that, i mean, you know, jumani williams says these are humans too and i have interviewed hundreds of police officers in the course of my work, and it is difficult to have someone scream at you in your face all day and it is hot and they're in gear and police appear to lose it and something snapped, is that what is happening

listen to pat lynch, he is a union leader in new york and he went off yesterday. here's part of what he said. >> if they want to shift responsibility regionally, do it, but where are you going to put it customer who's going to do it? when you fail, who are you going to ask to step up? i've got the answer, it's an unfair question. asked right here, are they going to come back to do her job well, we do it professionally, we do it efficiently while the other agencies failed. >> bill: that sort of goes with what the white house was saying a moment ago to stop vilifying the police. joining us in this discussion is former new york city police commissioner who's been driving in his car listening to this. howard, what draft would you support? can you hear me, we are live on the air. >> i can hear you now. >> bill: what reforms would you support? you've a long record a long history in dealing with this, what would work? >> i certainly would not support defining the police department and i would not support the local communities pick their police commanders. what i would su

the police benevolent association president pat lynch responding to the violence. >> the only thing that comes to mind is questions. are we surprised we are here in the hospital again, did we doubt because of the rhetoric we are hearing, the anti-police rhetoric, all levels have to say it is going to end today and allow us to do it. >> more protests are expected today, more peaceful protests are expected today, the brother of george floyd is expected to attend a memorial service for his brother in brooklyn. back to you guys. >> all right, thanks so much. appreciate it, yesterday continuing, we saw the rain come down, the curfew was ignored, they arrested 60 people with ties, they were quickly processed and given a summons with new bail laws, no one has paid a price and there were let on their way. massive crowds surround the white house and the capitol building overnight despite the curfew. former defense secretary james mattis sound off in the atlantic criticizing his former boss. what is the latest? >> you certainly didn't mince words between mattis in the president but let me show you

earlier today, the new york police union chief pat lynch told fox news "you are seeing these messages from new york city police officers because they now have reached the breaking point. pay close attention. they are communicating something very loudly to be the people. over the past few weeks, we have been attacked in the streets, demonized in the media, denigrated by practically every politician in the city and state. some police officers as a result of the violent rioters, not the peaceful protesters, but some of them are not. a lot of them are not. the 800 plus injured, rocks, bricks, molotov cocktails. but we are seeing playing out across the country with these officers being attacked, runover, shot, targeted, is unacceptable. and they will begin to leave droves and frankly, ask yourself, can you blame them? 800 officers injured. rocks, bricks, bottles, molotov cocktails. others have died and some are paralyzed from the neck down. should disturb every good decent american that believes in law and order. ask yourself again, what do you think your community wherever you happen to b

as an aside, last year we watched, i stood next to pat lynch and we watch videos of people dumping watere cops as they walked around new york city. do not look like they were very scandalous. all i'm saying is that we interact with the community in a very high level with social workers, with marriage counselors, we do everything that everybody feels that. we can involved in people's lives at a very high level. sometimes it gets emotional and sometimes it gets dangerous. and sometimes it is a bad situation. but that is the overwhelming majority of police officers and their interactions with the public are positive. and we can't keep saying that the police have a systemic racist thugs that are out there. we are not. we are not. we are your friends. we are your neighbors, we are your coaches of your children and we come to your homes. and we come to your problems, and we come when you are sick. and we come when you are having an issue, and we try to be the good person and try to be an answer in that situation, and 99.99% of the time it comes out. and then you have derek chauvin. and derek c

neil: thank you, pat lynch. very good catching up with you even under these circumstances.ociation president joining us from lower manhattan. we are going to be checking in response to all this from new york's police commissioner, 4:00 p.m. eastern time on "your world" on fox news. we will be raising some of these very issues with him. >>> ahead of that, the real problems for retailers who are dealing with just the covid-19 issue and if and when they will ever get customers back. now a reason for those customers to be afraid for ever coming back. the protests that are ongoing. matt shea is with us now, national retail federation ceo. boy, you talk about a double whammy for your members. if there weren't enough concerns about going back, right now for customers who might be tempted to come back as more and more reopen, now you have this. what do you do? >> well, neil, i think we have to start by acknowledging what a tragic week we have had in this country and the great sadness we should all feel at witnessing the death of george floyd and so many other black men and women ju

. >> neil: pat lynch, the tv commissioner, he got a sense from them that they are not being supported by you or certainly the mayor, but you say what to that? >> it is unfortunate. i know him very well, i disagree with that comment if that was how it was said. but again, i did not hear him say that. >> neil: let me ask you a little bit about what the governor has said, that he always has the option of displacing, replacing the mayor, how would you feel about that if the governor acted to say, you are not getting it done, i will? >> i don't think that this is productive. i really don't. when you look at the politics at play here, obviously. everyone should be concentrating on is how do we get out of this situation? there are marches going on right now and they are peaceful, but i think that you know that when you look at what has transpired across the country, i mean, we have been very fortunate in some ways in new york city. we have had officers injured and it is terrible, but we have not had loss of life. there has been loss of life and places across the country. all leadership, all

the police benevolent association president pat lynch responding to the violence only thing that comese here in the hospital again? did we doubt because of the rhetoric we are hearing, the anti-police rhetoric? all levels have to say it's going to end today and then allow us to go out and do it. >> commissioner shay, commissioner dermot shea is expected to give us an update later today. they are going to review that body cam footage to see if they can sort all the chaotic incidents surrounding that and also the terrorism task force ask now involved in the investigation. back to you. steve: all right, lauren green on the streets of new york. lauren, thank you very much. this attack on police officers in new york overnight. among the more than 30 violent attacks targeting law enforcement since friday. here to react police department detective's union paul dejock mow. good morning to you. >> good morning. given the fact that these protests sometimes turn into violence it has made your work very complicated these days. >> that's correct. i was at the hospital with those three officers shot