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. >> which brings us to one of the founding fathers of bigoted views, pat robertson. >> the bottom line is a male equipped in a particular fashion and female is equipped in particular fashion and the union of two brings forth children. the union of two men doesn't bring forth two men except disease and suffering and the same thing of the union of two women. >> what we have here across the country are elected officials in three different states supporting the ideas of pat robertson and not just supporting but actively blocking legislation that calls for equality. actively blocking qualified people from serving their community and actively campaigning on discrimination. joining me tonight is karen finney, msnbc political analyst and former communications director for the dnc. put yourself on their side. how do you manage that message? >> here is how they are managing that message. you notice that their national message is a little nuance from the way they are talking about the local level. a lot of these guys are much harsher on the local level. they know to a national audience and a nati

martin luther king in the midcentury era and two men who in certain ways for potential heirs, pat robertson jesse jackson and 1880s and 1990s. graham and certainly king were deeply engaged in political debates and issues and so on. but they were engaged in a manner for the most part unless a later and tanks career and less so for a grand jury in president be, but overall were engaged in a way that did not feel partisan and nearly archaeological. the potential successors actually ran for president at their respective parties. the mission of the preacher seemed to become the democratic nominee for president and i think that shift has been planed itself across the last two decades and explains a lot of why the mainline churches lost membership in the 60s and 70s because there is a feeling that transform themselves in an effort to remain relevant and liberal politics. let's are interested, why would you get up early on sunday morning to go to church. you could just go vote for a democratic politician or volunteered for a political cause. and then i think something must distract it, but somewhat

pat robertson's the basic narrative and all of the background deliberate -- that represent the basic narrative and all the background deliberations. we have distilled the core objectives and policies and created a sub-area plan. it is already covered by the downtown plan. that represents the general plan amendments before you. there are some additional minor map and text amendments proposed for the downtown plan, the transportation element, the design element, and the land use index. they provide consistency across the general plan and the appropriate cross references come out of state maps to reflect -- references, update this maps. there is one policy which we are proposing to add to the plan, which has not been before you. there is an additional sheet, which we just distributed at the beginning of this hearing. it relates to public access to the transit center park. last time we were here, there was a lot of discussion and concern amongst the commissioners that the plan required edges to access to the transit center park to ensure the public has all the necessary access to activat

pat robertson and jesse jackson in the 1980s and 1990s. graham and, certainly, king were obviously deeply engaged in political debates and political issues and so on. but they were engaged in a manner, for the most part and, you know, less so later in the king's career and less so for graham during the nixon presidency, but overall they were engaged in a way that did not feel sort of partisan and sort of narrowly ideological whereas their potential successors weren't just sort of engaged in a more partisan way, they actually ran for president of their respective parties, the sort of, you know, the mission of the preacher suddenly seemed to be to become the democratic nominee for president and the republican nominee for president. and i think that shift has been playing itself out across the last few decades, and it explains a lot of why the mainline churches lost membership in the '60s and '70s, because there was a feeling they had sort of transformed themselves in an effort to remain relevant into a vehicle for liberal politics. and unles

. >> reporter: but 15 years ago, when jerry falwell and pat robertson started to attack, a mother steppedher daughter. >> i'd like to know how many people in that list have relatives in their own families who are gay -- you know, ellen is such a good person. i don't want to get weepy. i don't. but she's so good. that -- she shouldn't have all this directed at her. >> so afraid to tell people, i mean, just -- susan -- i'm gay. >> reporter: step into the unknown, 15 years ago. >> ellen degeneres. >> reporter: but look at ellen degeneres today. a hit talk show. "forbes magazine" lists her as one of the most powerful people in hollywood. and that same company, jcpenney, which once pulled its ads, has asked ellen to be its spokesperson. and her mom, betty, travels the country in support of her daughter's journey. >> my kid is the greatest. >> reporter: two pioneers making sure everyone gets to live in the open and dance. and so we choose ellen degeneres, who tweeted a reminder of the 15-year anniversary and the message boards lit up, as we said, and they said, thank you for helping me be brave

so-called religious right played in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight if everyone remembers pat robertsoninsurgent campaign for the presidency he did not win but his people did what the rumpel people are doing now their teachers will use their numbers in their passion to sort of swing above their weight in actually taking over party positions and that is going to shape the party down the line it will shape the kind of candidate it will shape basically what is considered serious and real that we're going to run policy problems all year with people just thought sounds interesting but the that kooky outlier when everyone you're seeing at your local republican party meeting or ron paul people you're going to start taking ron paul more seriously and of course going forward it's not going to be ron paul himself but it's going to be maybe rand paul it's going to be other candidates who believe what ron paul believes and the republican party with every one of these ron paul people who enters with his positions of authority by definition the republican party becomes more like ron paul and that's g

and by the way i think the fact that we have been talking about it, when even pat robertson thinks that should be legalized. it doesn't make sense to me. >> lucia you wrote about this recently. i just don't see the play here right? so what are conservatives going to say i love obama now because he was tough on drugs? right? so what is the political advantage? >> i think he is certainly afraid of being labeled -- or mislabeled by conservatives as being soft on drugs, but i think he -- i actually think that the president knows that this is a huge abuse of federal resources, and people would like him to come out and set the justice department straight. that -- and that's what he did last week when he came out in support of same-sex marriage and his base was exstasic because for once he was able to just speak his heart. >> yeah, i wish he would actually be progressive on other issues. >> this is something that could help him with younger voters too. >> oh absolutely. >> younger voters, the vote, it is underestimated. >> two-thirds of the republicans said leave the states alone. so he actual

campaign adopted the tactics of the g.o.p. 30 years ago. 30 years ago they would march down to pat robertson's they're not listening to those leaders any more. we saw it in north carolina where they got together and said vote for rick santorum and 65% of them decided to vote either for the mormon candidate or the thrice devised roman catholic. they are not leading to these leaderships any more. >> eliot: a new leadership will emerge that is more in sync with the group you're talking about. >> i hope so. we need a more centrist, central nonpartisan leadership if we're going to save this faith. >> eliot: come back. fascinating conversation and an amazing conclusions.

well, kind of an endorsement from pat robertson.listen to it first and get your comments. >> looks like the people who were worried about his mormonism, that crowd is diminishing somewhat. the question is if you have two candidates, you don't have jesus running against somebody else. you have obama running against romney. >> bill: is that an endorsement? >> i don't know. i was listening to that on the way in actually on 1480 a.m. >> bill: right here in washington, d.c. proud to be part of the line-up there. >> what's up with robertson's voice? didn't he sound like brando in the godfather? it was a lousy endorsement. the thing that made me laugh like jesus could make it through the republican primary. i could see the ads. jesus turned water into wine devastating the liquor industry. [ laughter ] he broke the leaves into fishes killing hundreds of baking and fishing jobs. jesus would get crucified in the republican primary. >> bill: what i love is just the idea of okay, romney may not be jesus but at least he's not obama. right? >> th

. >> pat robertson has that, too. >> there's a lot of people dying in africa but i love my diamonds.ne offstage -- >> there's a guy that looks like giamatti in a trailer going no! he didn't listen to anything i said to him before! what are you doing? >> i worked with him for hours on this. >> stephanie: my favorite part of "the washington post" piece described even in high school, his laughter is panicky. >> he's like the guests on real time. ha, ha, ha ha, ha, i know i'm in the enemy -- >> stephanie: look, i'm just as funny. >> gofer norquist looked uncomfortable last week. >> he should. >> when did he earn comfort? >> stephanie: they had to sign a pledge to be nice to him. [circus music] >> i'll bet they did. >> stephanie: willow in michigan. hello, willow. >> what about twig? >> caller: get through to you and talk to you. i'm so impressed with your show. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: you were talking about polls. and i used to teach elementary school, fifth and sixth graders we would start talking about statistics toward the end of the year and we talked about polls. one of

conservative side of the aisle proponents of legalizing it including grover norquist, glenn beck, pat robertson is the time for if not decreation the war on drugs changing our national positions on certain drugs? >> yes. i call it ridiculous prosecution, because a -- persecution. the time is long past. one of the lines that gets laughs in my campaign is it would be a big trav esty if the hippies died off without legalizing pot first. i lived in the north coast region for 25 years and used to have a thriving timber industry but it was throttled now we have a narrow range of opportunities in the rural parts of northern california and marijuana is providing anywhere between 25% and maybe 60% of our total income. our entire economy on the north coast has made a transformation over the last 15 years and now it's just time to stop throwing people in jail. no one should be in jail. over 800,000 people a year are arrested for marijuana in this country. it's just not right. >> i want to play a little bit of sound, the president weighed in on the subject of drug legalization when he was in cartagena. let

c-span: in a library in athens, georgia, those of willis robertson, who is the father of pat robertson, in a library in williamsburg, virginia, and those of presidents roosevelt and truman in hyde park and independence, missouri. why all those libraries, and what did you find there that you hadn't already? >> guest: oh, well you can never do just a work of history, just from the one source. now, she was in the richard russell library because i'm going in great detail into johnson as majority leader. richard brevard russell of georgia was the great southern patriarch and leader, you know, of the southerners in the senate, and i wanted to know all about his relations with lyndon johnson. so ina went down to the russell library and the truman library, same thing. you know, we've gone through the papers of many senators of that period. earl clements' papers, for example, are in lexington, kentucky. tom clark's papers are out in the truman library, roosevelt library. we've spent, between the two of us, really endless months in different libraries. it's not just the johnson library, that you

with pat robertson sending out that e-mail today people need to look at that. we've got a raghead in washington and we don't need a raghead in the state house. >> bill: this campaign -- jeremiah wright's directed right at yahoos like this. >> caller: i didn't know archie bunker was on the radio anymore. hey, i got news for the ricketts family his brother tom ricketts is a gay man. why would a gay man who owns the chicago cubs be fighting against barack obama after what -- how he likes the gay people and he's for -- i can't believe i heard this today! go white sox! >> bill: yeah. this is right in your home base there. again, i never heard of this guy joe ricketts. i'm sure the people of chicago will be surprised when they find out what the owner of the cubs is up to. bob is in palatine, illinois. what do you say? >> todd ricketts is his son, not his brother but he's -- he appointed -- but this isn't new for rick. in the last election cycle he formed the pac and he put $600 million in it and he gave it all to sharon engel running against terry reed then a month l