this goes to exactly what governor pataki was saying. we get these warnings all the time. something in 1993. as if there is no purpose for counter-terrorism because, we all know they will come at us all the time. the people who put together the intelligence, the people there day in and day out, the people who were listening in on the phone calls, the people protecting american citizens were sitting in a conference room saying, "we need to put in for a mass transfer because this is coming, and it is going to be really bad." >> and they're going to be blamed for it. >> yes. the senior fellow in the room says, "there is nobody more qualified than us to ride this thing down. they will not be able to get people in here that are qualified and we're going to be the ones here holding the bag." which is exactly what happened. they're sitting there saying, not, "oh, what is the next thing we can do?" they're saying, "we have done everything we can do. it is going to be bad. we're glad to be blamed. the only thing they failed to do was to get the white house off the dime, and that wa

gene, jump in. >> first of all, let me echo what governor pataki said.1th, a day that none of us will ever forget. you know, just getting back to the political discussion we were having, yes, the republicans in washington are a drag on mitt romney, but joe is right, mitt romney could define himself by telling people what he will do. if he thinks he can become president by not telling people what his policies are and what he will do, then i do believe he will lose. it's as simple as that. and he can't seem to make up his mind, you know, how are you going to deal with people with pre-existing conditions? >> gene -- >> governor romney, what are you going to do? how are you going to make that work? it's a good thing. people want it. so tell us how you're going to do it. and if he can't do that, then, i don't think people are going to buy it. >> gene, you know, people keep trying to tie the tea party to mitt romney. what bothers me about that is love or hate the tea party, they know what they stand for. if that were only mitt romney's biggest problem, mitt ro

bill: thank you, governor george pataki reflecting on this date. thank you, sir. in studio again. okay? >> thank you, bill. bill: from shanksville, pennsylvania, we don't want to leave that quickly. that too had its own issues that memorial getting established, funding dependent in order to put up a wall of names and memorial plaza in shanksville, pennsylvania. we'll see vice president joe biden a little later today. martha: this day of remembrance continues. as we go to break we listen to the continued lengthy reading of more and more names who are victims of that terrorist attack on september 11th. we remember. we'll be right back. >> steven leon howell. >> michael c., harold. >> miladros ramada. >> jennifer l. howly. >> stefen hutchko, jr.. >> marion kerchek. >> paul hughes. >> chris robert hughes. >> susan huey. >> robert hughes, jr.. >> john humbard,, jr.. >> timothy robert hughes. >> kathleen anne, hunt casey. >> lamar holt. >> and my big brother, louis jimenez, jr.. we miss you. i love you and i want to give a special shoutout to friends, family for support

pataki to the founding director of the center of theology and natural sciences basically trying to say and the world of all this bringing us into the science and religion are not and methodical and they sometimes run parallel and there's a lot of room to get involved in the dialogue with them each. and in my experience most recently in american southwest the evangelicals science doesn't have anything to say to religion and religion doesn't have anything in the sciences don't talk to presbyter include you because that's it. it's parallel. again what is the dialogue and how to get people talking together all of that approach and will you hopeful about? >>> and be given example of one of our programs we have a grant for the national institutes of health about the human genome project to look at the theological implications. it was the project is now over to map and sequence the human gene attempt to find cures for diseases that a gene based the 46,000 diseases that come out of your genes not out of bacteria so any case this project was to look at the theological implications of the projec

>> oh, i agree with governor pataki.need to regain that sense of unity and to overlook the minor differences that divide us. i'm so sorry that we've dissolved again into warring factions. megyn: and you feel it in particular this time of year, you know, in the political silly season putting aside, you know, whether you're a republican or a democrat, what you believe in. first, we're all americans. i mean, that's what binds us together on this earth. >> you are so right. and we are as americans also members of the larger human family, and if we could put aside our differences, we could have a worldwide community, and that would be just wonderful. what an antidote for terrorism, what an antidote for war. megyn: it reminds, you know, as we were getting ready for the segment, we were taken back to what we felt after 9/11, what we saw in this country. and i want to take you to the steps of the u.s. capitol on 9/11 where we saw an extraordinary event unfold in the evening hours, a bipartisan showing of love for this country. a

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the vice-president, the heads of the cia, national security agency and fbi and new york governor patakiattacks on the twin towers in new york, he was briefed by his national security adviser, condoleezza rice, who phoned him after the first attack. mr. bush was reading to some children when the second attack occurred. chief of staff interrupted him, told him about the attack, it was clear we were dealing with terrorists. >> i want to bring into the conversation, general haig, it is former secretary of state. general haig, at a time like this, how does america respond prudently, with the proper amount of caution and yet with whatever force needs to be applied. >> we have to know the full limes of this tragedy and it's unprecedented, of course. but we have to stay above all, united and calm and ready to take resolute action, which sometimes we have failed to do in the recent past. when perpetrators are uncovered -- and we have many, many indicators of precisely who they are. this is too broad-based a terrorist act to be a few crazies. this is a terrorist movement. we know where they are l

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last week george pataki. this week the good congressman.a thousand answers, are we better off that we have four years ago. we heard no from martin o'malley yesterday, we heard hell yes from dennel malloy. the president is giving himself anne complete grade. it's a tough question for democrats to answer. >> a tough question but senator schumer, perhaps what democrats could point sought we could go back to the policies that preceded us for eight years that got us into the situation and also perhaps ask why george w. bush wasn't at the convention since they're pushing his policies. >> romney says he wants to be a severe conservative. bush was a compassionate conservative. our key industry, our auto industry, was on the verge of extinction. incomes were going down. all of that's turned around. we have 4.5 million new jobs, more manufacturing jobs than in the 90s. general motors and chrysler are beating the foreign companies. we're coming back. now, do we have a ways to go? obviously. everyone knows that. but there is not a single doubt in my mi

and also new york governor pataki. by his national security advisor, condoleeza rice, who phoned him after the first attack. mr. bush was reading to some children when the second attack occurred. chief of staff andy card interrupted him, told him about the attack. it was clear we were dealing with terrorists. >> i want to bring into the conversation general al hague, the former secretary of state. general hague, at a time like this, how does america respond prudently with the proper amount of caution, and yet with whatever force needs to be applied? >> first, we have to know the full limits of this tragedy and it's unprecedented, of course. but we have to stay above all, united and calm and ready to take resolute action, which sometimes we have failed to do in the recent past. when the perpetrators are uncovered and we have many, many indicators of precisely who they are, this was too broadly based a terrorist act to be just a few crazies. this is a terrorist movement and we know where they've located today. obviously

but most importantly, at the request of names like tommy thompson, john engler, and george pataki, their request was that in the crucible of state opportunity that they would position themselves with some flexibility to play out the work requirement. we never moved away from the five-year requirement. their suggestion was simply let us determine how we get to the five-year requirement. so what we are doing here today is trying to offer a criticism of the president 6 1/2 weeks before an election based upon misinformation that voters are being malevolent because of the content -- welfare reform worked overwhelmingly and it worked because it was a compromise in the end. but not to undertake the role that republican governors played in bringing this issue to that experiment. mr. camp: two minutes to a member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from illinois. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from illinois is recognized for two minutes. >> i thank the chairman. i for the life of me don't understand why my friends on the other side of the aisle are in defense about this. mr. ro