officer patrick skinner joins me, now. officer skinner, thank you so much.y -- i really found what you wrote really interesting. and eye opening. it was interesting, just listening to that. to the community leader. the gentleman speaking. clearly, the distrust, based on history, and even recent history, is very real. and i'm sure, you and other police officers see that all the time. how does one overcome that distrust? because not -- not every, you know, some shootings are -- they're all tragic. some are justified, given the circumstances that are happening. and how can people -- i mean, police have to be able to police, and people have to feel safe in their communities from police. >> yeah. thank you for having me. it's an incredibly tense time. and it's -- it's -- it's a time, where this has been a long-time coming. it feels like it's so imminent but it's been imminent for a long time. it's just, this is the latest at some point. but at some point, we have to have that point. and hopefully, this is it. how do we build that trust? every single day. and it h

center for policing equity, and the professor for african american studies at yale university, patrick skinner, a police officer in -- kiss officer who's been a long time advocate for the way the police this in this country. patrick, let me go to you first. you're working now as a police officer. i know you can't speak for cops, because they are more than 1 million across this country. what is your reaction? i find it remarkable, it's the first time in minnesota history, that a wakeup has been held accountable, for killing a black person. i find that just to be an incredible statement. and speaking for myself, i can only speak for myself, i was just -- there's something fundamentally wrong when so much hinges on what juror number 19 reads. the suspense, of what should have been an easy trial, it's traumatic it's tragic it's terrible, but it should not have been suspenseful, in the fact that in 2021 it is suspenseful, something is wrong. something is really really wrong. >> what do you think philip? >> i keep going back to the children who are on that stand who will have no remedy for any of. t

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. >> reporter: changing an officer's mindset is something savannah detective patrick skinner has beenmpioning for years. >> i think that the conversation has become more open and more urgent, i guess. there's an obvious need for police reform. a lot of departments are trying to make that. >> reporter: before rebasing in georgia, skinner served in the middle east. >> i was in the cia for 7 1/2 years, stationed in the counterterrorism center. >> reporter: his experience there left an impact, especially where their tactics came up short. when he returned to his hometown of savannah and decided to become a police officer four years ago, he says he saw much of the same. >> we wanted, you know, to get the sunni community on our side in anbar province, iraq. that's impossible. but when i came home to savannah and started seeing that same rhetoric here, get the community on your side, we need the african-american community, we need the hispanic community on our side -- i could understand quickly, that doesn't make any sense. >> reporter: skinner was outspoken in what he was seeing as a beat c

let's talk with patrick skinner, a police officer in savannah, georgia. thanks so much for being with us. first we have details about this case, but i want to get your reaction to the kill of andrew brown and also the fact that there are so many things we don't know that perhaps would be helpful if we did. >> yeah. i mean, like you said, there's a lot of things we don't know. i have no idea the circumstances. no one does. you know, for the family, the neighborhood and all his neighbors, you know, it's very traumatic. i understand that. they're trying to work on releasing the videotape. what it shows is every single stirks every single small town, every single metropolis is one incident away. i said earlier one video away. but there is no video yet. they're working on it. it's going to happen in every town. you can't control everything but we need to control as much as we possibly can. this is a huge issue. >> i want to talk about an op-ed you wrote in the wake of the derek chauvin verdict where he was guilty on all three charges. you said that police shou

joined by two experts in the field, professor in african-american studies at yale university and patrick skinnerce officer in savanna, georgia. long time advocate for changing the way we police in this country. patrick, let me go to you first. you're working now as a police officer. and i know you can't speak for cops because there are more than a million across this country. but what's your reaction to the verdict? >> i just find it remarkable, like you mentioned, that it's the first time in minnesota history that a white cop has been held accountable for killing a black person. i find that just to be an incredible statement. and i -- speaking for myself, you know, i only speak for myself. i was just floored at how much hinged on this verdict. there's something wrong when so much hinges on what juror 19 reads, the suspense of what should have been an obviously easy trial. it's traumatic, it's tragic, it's terrible, but it shouldn't have been suspensable. the fact in 2021 it is suspenseful, something's wrong. something's really wrong. >> i keep going back to the children who were on that stand w