. >> paul butler is with me, law professor, georgetown university, former prosecutor. you were on the air with me yesterday afternoon when the wife released her video and we talked about the argument that has been made that the city at this point, they won't appease the calls until they release the video. what legal ground, you're a law professor, what legal ground does city of charlotte and state of north carolina have to stand onto not release that video to the public? >> it's politics, not law. there's a new law passed that says there has to be a court order. but for now, it is up to not the state police but actually the local police. they're kind of playing a game of kick the can. it is true that city police officers gave the investigation to the state office of investigation but that office is still saying it's the local cops' decisions which means ultimately it is the mayor's decision because the police chief serves at her pleasure. if there's no legitimate law enforcement reason to withhold the video, it is all about politics. >> matthew horace, if and when the

laura coates, legal analyst, former federal prosecutor and ausa with department of justice and paul butler, georgetown university, and former prosecutor, with me. laura, let me go to you first. the fact that the city is now going to release this video, what does that tell you about the why? was anyone able to legally compel them to do so or did they have any legal ground to stand on not to release the video? >> i think the reason they're releasing the video is because the matter of form and substance. the police chief has already told us essentially what is the could be content of the video and his basis was based on the fact that he had an ongoing investigation and he wanted to tie up loose ends so that the videos, if they were publicized, would not alter the testimony of somebody remembering the video, and not the actual events. so it seems clear that he's probably releasing it now because those loose ends have been tied. the essentials have been captured and testimony has been captured and they can go forward. i don't think he's compelled legally in any respect. this is really the purvi

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paul butler, thank you for being with me this morning. and we have an update on the other tragedy that made headlines. the police shooting in tulsa. a funeral was held last night for terence crutcher who was shot by police on september 16th. on tuesday, i'll join the family at a rally for peace and justice. the officer in the case has been charged with manslaughter. >>> up next, we turn to the presidential race. new details about how clinton and trump are preparing for tomorrow's debate. also, the surprises from the opening of the new museum for african-american history. and my conversation with an icon, harry belafonte. stay with us. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink ...cleasee ya!ake off. see what the power of points can do for your business. when you're living with diabetes. steady is exciting. oh this is living baby! only glucerna has carb

. >> paul butler is joining me now. >> it strikes me as incredible that an elected leader, a public servant is saying that he's comparing a football game to a situation in which a man has been killed by offices of the state, concerns citizens, pro s protesters are marching to figure out what happened and all they want is the video tape and armed agents in the state are killing and they want to know what happened. the response is to bring in the national guard to watch over the marriott hotel and the carleton hotel. it says something that i think our values and all of that signifies by this man talking about a football game. >> it was such an out of touch remark. you can say that he has some to that. he has the transcript and he says i hope you don't take this in a wrong vein. it is one of those remarks and the rest of the press conference today, we never said, mr. scott's name or never spoke of the anguish to the family. what do you think of the humanity of it? >> where you see people gunned down. today we saw the video and i said this earlier because it is so disturbing. that video starts

paul butler, a professor at georgetown university and jim cavanaugh, he's a retired atf special agent, a former hostage negotiator for the atf. jim cavanaugh, i know you've been studying that first video we got today, pretty much frame by frame today. what do you see in that? >> well, the first thing you see, lawrence, and i think it goes to trying to get inside what mr. scott's experience, and certainly when you talk about what the police are experiencing later, but mr. scott's experiencing, he's not facing the cars arriving, the unmarked police cars, and they arrive first. and, you know, can you imagine, you're not committing a crime. you're not doing anything wrong. you're just sitting there waiting for someone and these unmarked vehicles pull up behind you. and maybe you think you're being robbed. possibly he's confused. what's going on here. and that might explain why he got out with a gun and the officers see that. it takes the marked car. the marked car doesn't arrive first. it looks like the unmarked cars arrive first. then you see the marked unit arrive and a uniformed office

. >> joining us now, paul butler, law professor at georgetown university and former federal prosecutoralso with us, reverend william barber, president of the north carolina state conference of the naacp. reverend barber, have you been able to have any conversations with the mayor? i know we talked last night about the possibility you'd be having some meetings today on the issue of the video release. >> yes, indeed, thank you, r lawrence. i went and met with cler jans. they were black, white, jewish, christian people of all faiths. we met together, found out what was happening on the ground. we had a chance to sit with the attorney generalen of north carolina and speak with the mayor as well. we had a subsequent press conference. in unity, this is what the leadership is calling for, full release of the tape, full transparency. imagine if this was the other way around, a citizen shooting the cop. the tapes would no doubt be out. number two, a federal investigation and an independent investigation. number three, no curfew. we had worked that out. and i'm saddened to hear tonight that it h

here in new york, paul butler a law professor at georgetown law school and former prosecutor and lauraal analyst and former ausa for the civil rights division. thank you for being here. there are some so many questions about the video. let me begin with you, david, as a former police officer. you hear the officers saying multiple times "drop the gun, drop the gun." at the same time you have rakia scott, keep scott's wife, saying he doesn't have a gun, he doesn't have a gun, he has a tbi, a traumatic brain injury. take us into the mind as an officer of a moment like this and what you take away from the video. >> sure, first of all, it's a difficult video to watch because you know a woman is watching an instant play out that her husband ends up dead from. so i think we have to keep that in mind. as a police officer it's difficult to know because i can't pin down who the officers are and who is giving the commands. i think i've got more than one officer who's saying drop the gun. i don't know if they have an arrest plan for this case. i don't know why officers are in the positions they ar

for more, we go to former nypd lieutenant, darrin porcher, and paul butler, a former federal prosecutor. in that light, paul, is there anything in this video that makes it look like there's more of an indictable offense prior to 1:00 p.m. when it came out today. >> as we yet again watch an african-american woman watching the destruction of her partner at the hands of her police, we have to wonder how much hope we should have. the governor talks about transparency. if he wants transparency, release the videotape. so on this tape, we don't see what happens in the actual encounter. this is what we know. the police weren't looking for him. they were out to execute a warrant against somebody else. they saw him and apparently had a report that he had a gun. elementary -- every cop learns this in -- as a rookie, if you think that someone has a gun and is dangerous, you don't roll up on that person, expose yourself to fire and then use that as an excuse to gun that person down. i don't know if we see manslaughter in this tape. i don't know if we see a cover-up, because mysteriously, there's no