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back with me, paul butler and robert gibbs.lmost certain to spill into campaign season, i mean the primary season. the last competitive republican primary was 2016. i think trump didn't actually secure the nomination until july, mitt romney in 2012, the end of may. you know how grueling it is to run in a competitive primary. how does trump execute a campaign while also potentially defending himself in one or more high profile cases. >> well, we've seen what trump has tended to use these events for is to strengthen his grip on the base, to raise more money. so i think, you know, he'll continue to presumably play those plays out and see how that strengthens him. i'm interested in a couple of things and that is how first and primarily how do the other indictments or potential indictments impact the political schedule on this because we're talking about something that's happening in march, but presumably before then the special counsel will come to a decision on whether to charge trump and so too could the legal system in georgia,

paul butler is a former federal prosecutor and professor at the law center. but he joins me now. here, paul, we saw fani willis before a judge, and there was a back and forth about whether the grand jury report is going to be released. this was i think, two months ago, maybe. she said that charging decisions are coming imminently. a lot of people thought, what does imminently mean? it's been a while, she's not charging mid summer. what does this news about eight cooperators say to you about where we are in the timeline? >> so, we know that she had been focused on trump's phone calls to georgia officials, where he threatened them if they did not overturn the election but now we know that this bizarre meeting with the georgia fake electors held the month after the election is also the subject of her investigation. that's where these immunized witnesses could be key fact witnesses. they all attended this meeting, which was put together by the trump campaign, by georgia republican officials. chris, what witnesses are given immunity, they can't take the fifth amendment. they are requi

also law professor paul butler. kohberger has more than one court appearance today. we expect to see? >> reporter: he's got three court appearances today. the first about an hour and a half where he'll face four counts of murder and one count of burglary. it's been six months since the murder. it's been about five months that he's been in custody. this will be the first time that family members of the victims see bryan kohberger either plead guilty or not guilty in this case. that's going to be the first hearing that we see, the arraignment. the second one, we understand the defense filed a motion to ask for more evidence. the prosecutor turned over 54 terabytes of information, tens of thousands of pages of documents, videos. however, the defense has asked for specific video of kohberger's arrest. we're told there is no video. that may be what's discussed during the motion hearing for more evidence. finally, one other hearing today, bryan kohberger, this entire case has had a gag order, a pretty stringent gag order placed on it. there are some media outlets asking th

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joining me now is democratic congressman richie torres of new york, and paul butler, professor at georgetownchool of law and msnbc legal analyst. i'll start with you paul. speculate for us, what do you think these charges can be? >> so, campaign financing, false statements, unlike donald trump, with santos, it was always a question of when he was going to be indicted, not if. we know that in january, justice department reached out to the federal election commission which was doing a civil investigation. justice said we want this case, criminal cases come first. this was expected. the smoking gun is $700,000, a loan that santos gave his campaign. this is not a rich dude. where did he get this money? did he accuraty reflect how it was spent on his forms? those forms, joy, are signed under penalty of perjury. this is an easy case for prosecutors. >> there is this piece here which is a "new york times" piece, about $365,000 failure to account for that money in terms of spending. he was not filling out the form saying this is what i'm spending had money on. this could be part of? >> prosecutors f

the cliche, it's always the coverup, is often true. >> maya wylie and paul butler, my thanks to you forarting us off this evening, talk about this breaking news and considering with special counsel jack smith might be heading. appreciate you both. >>> and coming up, how democrats had to step in as the grownups in the room when mccarthy failed to get republicans in line. >>> and the gop primary field is about tote go a whole lot bigger, which could actually help donald trump. all that and more when we're back in just 60 seconds. ck in j. . rsv is a contagious virus that usually causes mild symptoms, but can cause more severe infections that may lead to hospitalizations, in adults 60 and older - and adults with certain underlying conditions, like copd, asthma, or congestive heart failure. talk to your doctor and visit cutshortrsv.com. we're talking about cashbackin. not a game. not a game! we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. we're not talking about practice? we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. we're talking about cashbackin. not a ga

joining me now is nbc news legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, paul butler.e they're trying to fill is what happened after that subpoena was issued and the times that they came to collect all those documents. why did documents that were supposed to be in that storage facility suddenly appear in donald trump's office? >> that's exactly what jack smith wants to find out. prosecutors have purportedly interviewed virtually every employee at mar-a-lago. they finally found an inside man or woman who can help them figure out what was going on with these top secret documents, where they were stored, who had access to them and what trump told his employees and what trump told his lawyers about these materials. >> the times is also reporting that prosecutors had a choice on the decision of how to go after -- how to get information from the president's personal valet who's seen on the surveillance video allegedly apparently moving boxes and the question was do they use a carrot or a stick, you're not in trouble at all but you have to tell us everything. or do they say,

joining me is paul butler, former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst.vious question is are you surprised that there will be a prosecution and that it took this long? >> it should not have taken this long. so under the law in order to be guilty of second degree manslaughter, you have to recklessly endanger someone's life. commit an act knowing you're putting someone's life in jeopardy. joy, the whole world has seen mr. penny choke mr. neely to death on videotape. i don't know why to took so long. d.a. bragg had to look at the videotape, do witness interviews, the medical examiner report which says that mr. neely died of homicide, and listen to the 911 calls. i don't know why that took two weeks. >> led me read the two statements. the law firm representing penny said mr. neely had a history of violent and erratic behavior. when he began aggressively threatening daniel penny and other passengers daniel with the help of others acted to protect themselves until help arrived. daniel never intended to harm mr. neely and could not have foreseen his untimely dea

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paul butler, as always thank you for your time. >> always a pleasure. >> that is all in for this week. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. >> there is additional reporting from the new york times, we know there are eight electors that have immunity, there is also apparently a ninth elector whose identity remains unknown that has a plea deal, or an immunity deal. and the identity of that person is going to be, i think, of great interest to all of us. there are a limited numbers of suspects, but we are going to be talking about who it could be, what the implications could be. for not just the other electors, who don't have deals. but also for people in trump's orbit including rudy giuliani and lindsey graham. a >> classic whodunnit, i'm going to go watch. >> have a great weekend. thanks to you at home for joining us. earlier this year, we learned about the republican party of georgia had paid more than $200,000 in legal fees to lawyers defending the fake republican electors. the trump supporters who cause played as electoral college electors in the 2020 election. t

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and harry secretly met the princess diana's former the late princess diana's former putter—weet- butler, paulot going to be because of heut hurrett— it's not going to be because of paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. to wou— paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. po wou thht— paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do you think paul— paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do you think paul burrell- paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do you think paul burrell could do? look, i'm going to back paul here, cara. i'm going to say, come on, paul, bro. you get william harry in a room. you william and harry in a room. you knock heads together and knock their heads together and you boy, mother you say, boy, your mother would have to be friends have wanted you to be friends again. i'm sorry, dan , i just again. i'm sorry, dan, ijust cer-t— again. i'm sorry, dan, ijust ceh-t egree— again. i'm sorry, dan, ijust can't agree with— ?g? “ i'm sorry, dan, ijust can't agree with you. i have to egree— can't agree with you. i have to egree wtth— can't agree with you. i have to agree with charlotte. yeah i met— agree w

and harry secretly met the princess diana's former the late princess diana's former putter—weet- butler, pauleeut— it's not going to be because of heut hurrett— it's not going to be because of paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. to wou— paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. po wou thht— paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do you think paul— paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do you think paul burrell- paul burrell, kyrees kennedy. do you think paul burrell could do? look, i'm going to back paul here, cara. i'm going to say, come on, paul, bro. you get william harry in a room. you william and harry in a room. you knock heads together and knock their heads together and you boy, mother you say, boy, your mother would have to be friends have wanted you to be friends again. i'm sorry, dan , i just again. i'm sorry, dan, ijust cer-t— again. i'm sorry, dan, ijust ceh-t egree— again. i'm sorry, dan, ijust can't agree with— ?g? “ i'm sorry, dan, ijust can't agree with you. i have to egree— can't agree with you. i have to egree wtth— can't agree with you. i have to agree with charlotte. yeah i

butler. that, of course, was paul burrell, princess diana's ex butler. wasn't getting any.— attention and he wasn't getting any. baw— attention and he wasn't getting any. waw tbis— attention and he wasn't getting any. now this is— attention and he wasn't getting any. now this is a— attention and he wasn't getting any. now this is a different scenario completely. charles is maaisa— scenario completely. charles is now married to— scenario completely. charles is now married to camilla, very baaaiiy— now married to camilla, very babbiiy. as— now married to camilla, very babbiiy. as is— now married to camilla, very happily. he is king that is he's bs-s— happily. he is king that is he's he's fulfilled— happily. he is king that is he's he's fulfilled all— happily. he is king that is he's he's fulfilled all his ambitions. - he's fulfilled all his ambitions. there is nothing more he ambitions. there is nothing more as assas— ambitions. there is nothing more as assas ta— ambitions. there is nothing more he needs to worry— ambitions. there is nothing more he needs

i'm joined now live by princess diana's former butler, her rock , paul burrell.of harry comparing this car chase which the taxi driver says isn't a car chase to the night his mother died 7 chase to the night his mother died ? and dan , here we go again died? and dan, here we go again . ipersonally died? and dan, here we go again . i personally think it's wrong. ii-s— . i personally think it's wrong. it's offensive— . i personally think it's wrong. it's offensive to— i personally think it's wrong. it's offensive to make any oomopion— it's offensive to make any comparison with the car chase in iioniioiion— comparison with the car chase in iioniioiion io— comparison with the car chase in manhattan to one— comparison with the car chase in manhattan to one in paris. they ioioiiy— manhattan to one in paris. they were totally different circumstance chances. diana was ooiuoiiy— circumstance chances. diana was ooiuoiiy avoiding— circumstance chances. diana was actually avoiding the press the night— actually avoiding the press the nigiii sie— actually avoiding the press th

i'm joined now live by princess diana's former butler, her rock , paul burrell.of harry comparing this car chase which the taxi driver says isn't a car chase to the night his mother died 7 chase to the night his mother died ? and dan , here we go again died? and dan, here we go again . ipersonally died? and dan, here we go again . i personally think it's wrong. ii-s— . i personally think it's wrong. it's offensive— . i personally think it's wrong. it's offensive to— i personally think it's wrong. it's offensive to make any oomopion— it's offensive to make any comparison with the car chase in iioniioiion— comparison with the car chase in iioniioiion io— comparison with the car chase in manhattan to one— comparison with the car chase in manhattan to one in paris. they ioioiiy— manhattan to one in paris. they were totally different circumstance chances. diana was ooiuoiiy— circumstance chances. diana was ooiuoiiy avoiding— circumstance chances. diana was actually avoiding the press the night— actually avoiding the press the nigiii sie— actually avoiding the press th

it became a very successful book, the butler a witness to history and an winning film starring force and oprah winfrey. paultton. three years ago, another of his books, the 2018 tiger land. 1968 a 1969 a city, a nation torn apart and a magical season of healing takes us back to. it was it was up for the 2019 dayton literary peace prize for nonfiction followed it followed black high school athlete as they captured two state titles in columbus, ohio in the turbulent late 1960s, like tiger and the butler, his nine books here an underlying theme americans in pursuit of peace, fairness and racial justice. he shares this theme in his various profiles of unusual americans like adam clayton powell. back in 1993, when that was published. adam clayton powell, for your youngsters out here, helped to pass lyndon johnson's landmark anti-poverty legislation, including the upward bound program that i worked in at ohio university. and that that will familiar with sammy jr. a major financial backer of martin luther king and on on selma, a behind the scenes figure in that score. but as important to the civil rights movement

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