two to three weeks in advance to visit the top of the pedestal. in general, you will make it to lower manhattan, go through a screening process, board the boats at new york at battery park and also in new jersey at liberty state park. you will have a great experience of sailing in front of the statue. you can get off and enjoy the statue. when you leave from new york. and when you board the boat from the statue, your next stop will be ellis island which is also an incredible experience. you can spend a good half-day if not a whole day visiting these two great national monuments. the statue of liberty and ellis. to wrap it all up, for auguste bartholdi, it was his dream to become rich and famous. unfortunately, neither of those happened for him. but if he were alive today, i think he would be very proud. because although he is not famous, his work of art certainly is. >> you can view this and all other american artifacts programs at c-span.org/history. select and browse recent programs. the schedule is also available on the right side of the page.

through a murder spree, now murderers on a pedestal they are glorified. >> it is not appropriate tolorify murders, and to bryce a points, i think he is correct, in talking about where a lot of violent happens is in communities without hope, a lot of education is not great. it is poor. and the community trusts support and trust is not strong. >> it is -- >> a two pronged approach. charles: we're out of time. i know you both -- i want to pick it up again, but sadly, i believe we're going to have reason to. i do appreciate you both, we'll pick it up later. >> merry christmas. >> donald trump and vladimir putin, finding common ground today, pumping up their own nuclear capabilities. are you afraid? the mainstream media says duck under your desk. we'll be right back. >> that $125 billion dollars, some of it could be saved, we hope they put it back in places where money really needs to be invested, i including hoinclude monitorrizing our nuclear deterrent. today president-elect trump tweeting out. -- until such time that worldcoms to its senses regarding nukes. just a short time ago, tran

to get across that message, there was this pedestal that many men thought women were on, they were sparednecessity to earn a living. that was a myth. it was never true for poor women. to get them to see that what they regarded as favors, and the wonderful expression justice brennan used, the pedestal turned out to be a cage because it can find women -- confined women and limited what they could do. to get the court to understand there was discrimination, that was a challenging job. justice sotomayor: i was just going to say, as groundbreaking as your work as a litigator was, the notorious rbg will live on a lot longer. [laughter] [applause] charlie: what do you think of that? justice ginsburg: i think it is absolutely amazing. [laughter] justice ginsberg: an 83-year-old woman should be notorious. [laughter] justice ginsberg: but i understand where it comes from. you know the famous rapper, notorious b.i.g. he and i were both born and bred in brooklyn. [laughter] [applause] justice ginsberg: more than that, i think that the nyu students who dreamed up this notorious rbg, it started with my

that whatm to see they regarded as favors, and the wonderful expression justice brennan used, the pedestalurned out to be a cage because it can find women -- confined women and limited what they could do. to get the court to understand there was discrimination, that was a challenging job. justice sotomayor: i was just as groundbreaking as your work as a litigator was, will live on abg lot longer. [laughter] [applause] what do you think of that? justice ginsburg: i think it is absolutely amazing. be83-year-old woman should notorious. but i understand where it comes from. famous rapper, notorious b.i.g.. both born and bred in brooklyn. [applause] nyu' think that the students who dreamed up this bg, it started with the decision that took the heart out of the voting rights act of 1965. she was angry. then she thought that is not a productive emotion. i want to do something positive. in thek my dissent shelby county case and that was notoriousing of the rbg. charlie: you are a role model to many. had you see that? veryupreme court may be , to see howo have well a latina woman sees this world. j

protect the social progress in the united states >> money and being a celebrity has been put on a pedestal in a way that it truly doesn't deserve because it's not at the center of happiness. what is at the center of happiness is family and friendship and love and kindness. >> krystal: that's a good message. lady gaga dropped her fourth record >> kim: let's focus on the year in music. joanna was a big hit for her. now we're talking about what everyone was streaming. thank you for being here. out of the gate let's start with the person who was streamed the most in 2016, at least up until now, it's december 2. >> it was drake. the rapper. 4.7 billion times on spotify. he had the most streamed song of the year and he had the most streamed album on spotify. his strategy of constantly releasing music is really working. he doesn't give us a chance to forget about him. >> kim: he was terrific when he performed at the t-mobile arena. he was so great to see in person. he's an amazing i have a feeling that lemonade is going to play heavily into this one. >> no, beyonce didn't make our list. we don't

for not having this transition -- >> i'm holding the whole press up on a pedestal. >> let me finishwhat happened right after he won the election, the media, "the new york times" was the head of it going after donald trump saying where is his cabinet. he had put more people into cabinet positions before barack obama had done it when barack obama had not done it until more than a month and a half later. there is a double standard. so then what does he do? he focuses on his transition, he focuses on his cabinet appointments and now you have this same exact people that are screaming when is our press conference, when is our press conference. he will give one in january but you can't have it both ways. >> this is a highly fraught political moment and there is bias on both sides of the aisle. i think we need more objective reporting overall across the board and it's frequently skewed but i also think that press conferences are incredibly important regarding of the bias you're citing. >> i have to wrap it there. both of you, donald trump will be held to account by the press, the white hous

to get across that message that this pedestal that many men thought women were on, and they were spared the necessity to earn a living, that was a myth because it was never true for poor women. to get them to see 245 what they regarded as favors in the wonderful ex,, expression that justin brennan used, the pedestal much more often than not turned out to be a cage that confined women and limited what they could do. so to get the court to understand that there really was gender-based dises krim nation, that was a challenging-- a challengeing job. >> i was just going to say, i have the sense of ground breaking as your work as a litigator was, i think notorious-- notorious rbg go live on a lot longer. (applause). >> rose: and what do you think of that? >> what? i think it's absolutely amazing. that at 83 year old woman should be-- . >> rose: notorious. >> but have i said, i understand where it comes from. you know the famous rapper notorious big. >> rose: yes. >> well, he and i were both born in brooklyn. so we have that in common. and more than that, i think that the nyu student who dream

lights that are running around on the inside and the pedestal is levitating. >> oh, my goodness. >> itin. that's the makers favorite animal and the fiance's name is cat. that's why you see a cat and a penguin on the top. >> especially this one. she loves things that sparkle. >> presentation is everything, but i feel sorry for the fella. a ring ain't enough anymore? we used to get excited about the ring, now it's the box, the lights. what is this, club proposal? >> no, i think that people do this stuff when they want to, you know? because there are people that don't, they keep it really simple and that's okay, too. if you want to take it to this level and you're happy to do it, awesome, this is good stuff. she'll be able to keep forever and possibly even hand down to her kids. >> yeah, it will serve as a keepsake, almost like the music box. >>> it's a cat walk calendar for charity. >> one of the models decided that she wanted to do something not just to promote adopting and rescuing animals, but also fundraise for this organization. >> a look at the imag >> there it is. >> #christmasgoa

news reporters ought to be doing everything they can to pedestal. it's actually too transparent.uch about the people covering our news. too much transparency is always disappointing. that's why nudist colonies are always a disappointment when you get to one. learning these people are actually kind of political activists posing as journalists. why would we trust what they write? >> used to be a news reporter became a clonist. i always knew that reporter had that opinion. that at least happened after the fact. i think. >> exactly. >> i think twitter really undermines a pedestal i want the "new york times" to have. i mean,ç i really really want the "wall street journal" and the "new york times" to be held in the esteem they wish they wish they were. but i think they further undermine the respect they so desire when they act in often childish manners. especially if it's not a -- the snark itself undermines the respect they so demand. >> sure, because the country this big and this diverse, this spread out as ours needs a news source or two that are commonly recognized as accurate. i

tale tell signs, signs that are very bad to women is if people are constantly putting them on a pedestal. >> look at saudi arabia. women can't drive because we don't want them to potentially hurt their ovaries. seriously. there's all sorts of we need to protect you because you need to be kept pure and you need to be kept as beautiful as you are. you need to be kept as a thing. >> we have our own version of that, the george w., we all married up. women are smarter than we are. >> this is also language that was used in the united states. talking about not giving women the vote 100 years ago. it was that women were too pure for the dirty pool of politics. >> too delicate. >> exactly. >> speaking of women, here's a prominent one. long before mike pence, trump revealed to me if he decided to run in 2000 for president, he had another running mate in mind. here he is on her. >> would you consider a woman for your running mate? and if so, who? >> well, i would consider, and as chris can tell you, i threw out the name of a friend of mine, who i think the world of. she's great. and some people tho

you know, we've always had great sports heroes to kind of put on a pedestal.hose people redefine the term hero for me. >> reporter: the film chronicles the bombings, the chaotic days following the attack. >> have a great race, everybody. >> reporter: in real life so much of the horror caught on camera. >> whoo! >> what the hell was that? >> reporter: a day none who were there will ever -- can ever forget. >> oh, my god. something blew up. >> reporter: in a matter of seconds -- [ explosion ] two bombs would claim three lives, leaving hundreds critically injured. confusing moments of terror, anguish. and among those in the crowd, heroes emerged. >> how much of the movie was honoring the heroes of that day and how much of the movie was about healing that's still going on in boston? >> i think more about healing and hope and us all kind of standing up together and holding hands. you know, these things will continue to happen, and the only real way to respond is with love and unity. >> what this film is about is how the city of boston came together and the fact tha

in the marine corps we put our hero's on a pedestal from the first day a boot camp you start to learnut those that came before you. john glenn is one of those marines. he is a man is larger than life. i tell a joke because i was blown up i was in nasa for ten seconds. i mourn his passing but i celebrate his life. someone who went back in the 70s and just showed a guy like me who had to learn to walk that nothing is impossible including going into outer space at the age of 70. especially to me as a marine. i hate that he passed but i think kevin has his own set of rings today. thank you for the service to our country. we really appreciate you. there is more coming up next. with kid rock. they are causing a lot of upset. and people being upset at social media. we have a celebrity fashion diviner she is taking a stand she is saying that she will dress mrs. trump. we have the details next. liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. liberty did what? yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage

we've always had these great, icon exports heroes and we always put on a pedestal.liams, larry bird, the list goes on. but to see men and women from all walks of life running toward the problem, that defined the term hero for me. they gave me a huge sense of pride to be from boston. when i left and was outside of people comeee together from all walks of life, all races, religions, it filled me with pride and i wanted to see that. people saidng where make sure you get it right and show people who we are and what boston strong means. charlie: how have they dealt with it, those people who lost a limb or loss of child? to see patrick and jessica come together and radiate so much light, hope and positivity is remarkable to me. when we saw patrick finished the race, he ran this year on a running blade. him run into jessica's arms -- i just felt like wow -- i find so much inspiration from them. charlie: what do we need to do to minimize this kind of thing. good intelligence is one aspect. commissioner davis: we need to shut down those websites and the fbi has done an incre

you we're going to do, 'rgoing to fight that narrative hard to make sure they put us in the same pedestalh the valedictorian and the good immigrant. >> the latest incarnation from the trump team is to focus on so-called criminals, they want to focus in on sanctuary cities and you and i both know one of the criticisms was nickname deporter in chief, he deported more than 2.5 million people that were removed under immigration orders according to government data he deported more people than any other president in history. how do you reconcile those numbers and the obama administration and blocked comprehensive from donald trump's newest words are as it relates to his potential immigration plan and again, i say this because we don't know. >> exactly. the fact is the deportation machine exists and the worry we have is that that deportation machine is going to be amplified and going to be used against the most vulnerable. and the deportation machine and awaiting deportation and some people have been deported. we want to protect our entire community and fight for our dacca and for dreamers, but

china stepping up on dollhouse pedestal. ♪ >> china has hit the stage.forming in a field that offers little training. she taught herself these moves, how to work her body to entice. she's a master of see duck. even i can't look away. i see men, mesmerized by her movements. and then i realize she's only 21. she's someone's daughter. how did your mom react when she found out you were dancing? >> we haven't talked about it. >> you live with your mom still? >> yeah. >> you've never talked about it? >> never. >> iman, does your family know that you're dancing? >> my mom and i don't really get along. >> what about your dad, is he in your life at all? >> he died when i was 7 months old. >> so neither of you had a father in your lives. >> hm-mm. >> two women who grew up without male role models. watching them, i wonder, would they both be here if they had different childhoods? now they're surrounded by men who can't take their eyes off of them. >> so what are you gentlemen doing here? >> playing golf. >> having a good time. >> it's an annual trip. >> but mostly

you are an exalted member of the human race, you are held to a higher standard, you're put on a pedestalrotected by men, you're provided for by men. why would you want to give that up? it's a good deal. and a lot of people agreed with that logic, that equal rights was a scary thing. >> we do not want our lives to be run and our world changed by the militant women who are demanding what they call a gender-free society. >> this is a time of testing for the equal rights amendment. the ratification battle moves from one state legislature to another. supporters have found the amendment increasingly hard to put across. >> the biggest problem i'm having is distinguishing between abortion and the equal rights amendment. my area is very conservative and they're against abortion. >> do you also believe those who vote for the e.r.a. today will also be voting for abortion? >> they won't be voting for abortion, but what they will be doing is voting to deny to the state legislatures the power to regulate or stop abortion, which you might say has the same effect. >> in a landmark ruling, the supreme co

. >> he had her on a pedestal. he always said such wonderful things about her. >> this is don's wife, rebecca. >> we became very close. we'd talk maybe once, twice a week on the phone. and probably for hours her and i. we just hit it off. we were family. >> jane was there by dave's side as he became a national and then world competitor. dave won the bronze medal in the 1984 games. but after, his career faded quickly. he kept trying, but knee injuries. he didn't make the olympic team in 1988. >> he was disappointed. but he knew -- it's like a point of your career when you know that something is done. it's okay. because you know you've done -- you've gone as far as you can. and that door closes. >> and another door opened. dave became a high school biology teacher, coach, and athletic director. >> and he was even better at being a teacher and coach than he was even throwing. >> if dave missed his former glory, his family said he never showed it. and of course, remained a legend to his niece and nephews. >> i think on

growing up in boston we always had iconic sports heroes and always put them up on a pedestal, ted williamsmicky ward but to see women, men, from all walks of life running towards the problem redefined the term hero to me and gave me such a huge sense of proud to be from boston. boston whenever i left and was outside boston early on it was about racial divide and all that stuff and seeing people come together from all walks of life, races, religions, coming to help filled me with pride and i wanted to see that and something where people said make sure you get it right and show people who we are and what boston strong means. >> rose: and how have they dealt with it those who lost a limb or child? >> well, to see patrick and jessica come together and radiate so much love and light and hope and positivity is remarkable to me. when we saw patrick finish the race he ran the marathon this year on the running blade and to see him run into jessic and holding each other i felt like, wow. i find so much inspiration from them >> rose: so what do we need to do to minimize this kind of thing? obviously

we're seeing the president of the noigz put on a very well regarded pedestal for his work on this.. like to get the sense from you, shasta, for people in that nation, how are they feeling about this, seeing their leader credited for this, but at the same time, many of them are not satisfied with this sort of peace resolution. >> that's right, gormg. what we saw with that vote, even though the deal was rejected is that the country is roughly split in half with half the country supporting the peace deal and half, again, what santos and the negotiators hope was the new concessions, stiffer sanctions on rebel leaders. while they won't be banned from public office, they can't run for office in the districts that have been created, which is important. they can run for office in congress, but they can't run for office in these new sdrikzs being reacted. there were some concessions made and i think this is also recognizing that there was a lot of shock and surprise when the no vote won. much like brexit, the feeling that this does allow them to go back and maybe try again for what some peop

. >> lin-manuel miranda: i think we take great pains to knock all these guys off their pedestals. >>'s debate with jefferson over how to pay off the revolutionary war debt was so intense, miranda stages it as a rap battle. >> washington: are you ready for a cabinet meeting? >> rose: with washington as referee. >> thomas jefferson: ♪ in virginia, we plant seeds in the ♪ ground. we create. ♪ you just want to move our money around. ♪ this financial plan is an outrageous demand and it's too ♪ many damn pages for any man to understand ♪ stand with me in the land of the free ♪ pray to god we never see hamilton's candidacy ♪ look! when britain taxed our tea, ♪ we got frisky imagine what's gonna happen when ♪ you try to tax our whiskey >> washington: thank you, secretary jefferson! >> alexander hamilton: ♪ thomas, that was a real nice ♪ declaration welcome to the present, ♪ we're running a real nation would you like to join us, ♪ or stay mellow, doing whatever the hell it is ♪ you do in monticello a civics lesson from a slaver, ♪ hey neighbor your debts are paid because you ♪ don't pay for l

the president-elect has been so wrong just dismissing russian hacking, kind of putting putin on a pedestal investigation. i think the intelligence committees but something beyond that to get to the bottom. again, i think when the president-elect just says, well, it really didn't amount to anything, i think that is a threat to american democracy and i think we need to investigate it actively. >> congressman, i had a guest on a few moments ago who talked in broad terms about how democrats should oppose the incoming administration. i want to pose the same question to you. this idea that you can be a legitimate opposition forces when you are now in the minority and the house and the senate. you don't have the white house. you don't have the supreme court. what are you left to do? >> i think a legitimate opposition. there may be a few areas of common effort, for example, on infrastructure. but even there, i think he's proposing financing that won't work. we need to oppose, i think, the efforts of this president-elect to turn everything upside down from health care to education policy. no, i thi

know the pedestal but nobody knows him. i'll bet most people look at him think, oh, that's the mad hatter from alice in wonderland. actually, he's stranhan, the of the brooklyn parkway system. a wonderful man. deal with greene, who was not pleasant at all. stranahan was what we call in my doll. new york, a he was a doll to deal with. basically he got these two guys river and comest to brooklyn. they had created central park. there they are. and they got a chance to do in brooklyn what they could never in new york, because new york real estate was too expensive. created --lyn, they here's central park, which they had already created in new york. brooklyn they created prospect park. they always considered prospect a much better park than central park. they considered it their masterpiece. the right, downtown brooklyn. on the left, that would be flat bush. prospect gardens is over here. of flat bush is south of the park. they loved prospect park. it gave them room to create three distinct landscapes, and water.ods prospect lak

maybe but now they're kind of put up on a pedestal. they are.hey are going to do the ones that weren't -- that he couldn't save in this round but for the future deals he makes it harder for them. >> and he's making it a matter of patriotism. >> are you making him patriotic or not? and people will object to that and economic forces are against anymore that kind of appeal but nonetheless it's an interesting attempt and i think he's helped himself with this. >> i want to ask you, dana and i were watching the president-elect thinking when was the last time we saw him off prompter for as long as we did. david said it was vintage trump. this is why millions of americans voted for this man. last time we saw him with president obama for that quick media avail after the meeting in the white house in the oval office, but we know he's going to cincinnati to start the thank you tour. is this the president trump we'll be seeing? >> well, it might be. this is the candidate trump we saw before he went on prompter. we haven't seen him off prompter in months. i

was at the cry tieron restaurant in -- she played the organ in the dining room, apparently up on a pedestal and entertaining the diners. then after dinner hours she would go to the lounge where she played piano. >> host: now take us back to that evening, and now keep in mind ray is married, has a child at home? yes. >> guest: yes, she is out of the house. >> host: and joan is married with a child. now she is doing her thing the criteriaon. and ray walks in. >> guest: ray had been selling two years, in 1957. he walked in and was there to sell the owner of the restaurant a franchise. he asked ray to come. he never budget the milk shake machine mixer but the knew ray because of that and he invite ray. ray came in to have a dinner meeting, and sure enough, he was way laid by this beautiful woman playing the organ and not only was he attracted to her youthful good looks but he himself was a pianist. he made money as a pianist early on in his life, and loved playing piano so he was taken by not just her looks but her technical, musical proficiency. so that was a very intoxicating thing for him. >

though is at what point, a question i've asked myself, in that if people around you are putting on a pedestal, clamoring to give you more money, you go home on friday night on your dinner with your wife, your two kids, and then you say you know what? this is enough. i should call the sec, the doj because this needs to end. i think most of us what we would do is say, we know this needs to end. i'll do that next week. the next week comes and it's the same repeat. you say i know this is wrong, it needs to stop but i don't want to end it right now and watch everything i've done collapse. i think that's a fairly humbling, difficult question to ask. comment of us would have the character to actually, after that final dinner with our family, decide today we're going to end it, even though it is not enforced. >> host: maybe long sentences are a deterrent to confession. >> guest: that's a very provocative way that has the sentence -- he didn't have a light since. he is effectively sentenced, he knew it, the second he turned it and he would never have another meal with his family. >> host: that's right

beginning, people thought i was going to correct the historical record and returning back to his pedestal. now people think it's safe to write about him and now we know that when the big names coming it's been going on for about 25 years so they are coming near the end. i noticed they were talking about how to rehabilitate grant. mine is about what he did that we might find praiseworthy. in that sense, the people i study i can identify them at certain times and to say why did you do that so i will see myself as somebody that is there to raise somebody's scale of greatness but this is what grant was about. and i think that i try to be very fair and i don't try to become enamored. >> why is iy. is a popular subji think because some people are still residing at. i understand many people identify in a personal way how we lost and had nothing to do with it and so they become very agitated. it's not the same as understanding the role. i think a lot of people get involved in this period very personally. the war is over, let's go home. one of the reasons is the use of tigger was in and the proces

hey, teddy roosevelt held up on a pedestal for being tough on corporate america. >> well, you know. > individual companies. >> with the federal government. >> let me tell you what our republicans and friends have said. he's a socialist. they would call him out as a flat-out socialist. but at the same time, i think it's interesting. it has to make wall street folks and some of the republican establishment nervous, because he is interfering it with the markets and republicans are not supposed to be for free markets, right? and clearly, he's interfering in a way that doesn't make the markets so free. but at the same time, chuck, if you think about his base. if you think about the voters that voted for him, and think about the people who have been hurt by the free market economy, this makes a lot of political sense for him, although, i think there's going to be conflict with the republican establishment here. >> you know, this strikes me as sort of the way trump actually built this real estate empire, which is, he doesn't worry about the long-term consequences of the debt of the deal. it'

and heroes are we've always had these great iconic sports heroes in boston and we put them up on a pedestalwilliams, larry bird, the list goes on. mickey ward. then to see women, men, women from all walks of life running towards the problem, it really redefined the term hero for me and gave me such a huge sense of pride, to be from boston. boston, whenever i kind of left and was outside of boston early on, was always about, you know, the busing strike and racial divide and all that stuff, to see people come together from all walks of life, all races, religions, coming and helping, it really just gave me -- filled me with pride and wanted to see that. it's something where people said, hey, make sure you get it right and show people who we are and what boston strong means. charlie: how have they dealt with it, those people who lost a limb, who lost a child? >> to see patrick and jessica come together and radiate so much love and light and hope and positivity is remarkable to me. we saw -- when we saw patrick finish the race, he ran the marathon this year on a running blade. and to see him run

. >> guest: she played eorgan in the dining room, on a pedestal and then after dinner hours should would go to the lounge where she played piano. >> host: now take us back toan that evening and keep in mind, ray is married, child at home. >> yes. she is out of the house. >> host: and then joan is married with a child at home, i believe. >> guest: yes. >> host: now she is doing her thing at the cite criterion, playing the people, and ray walks in. >> guest: ray had been selling for two years, in 1957, he was there to sell the owner of the fraughter a franchise. he asked ray -- he never bought the milkshake machine mixer because he hatt had an elegant restaurant but he knew ray, and ray came in for a dinner meeting and he was way layed by this's beautiful woman playing the organ, and he was attracted to her youthful good looks but he was himself a pianist. the made money that way and loved playing piano. so he was taken by not just her look us but her technical musical proficiency. that was very intoxicating their for him. >> host: now, that meet, did they actually meet? did he get introdu

the question is, the people around you are putting you on a pedestal, clamoring clamoring to give youmore money, you go home on friday night and have dinner with your wife and your two kids of any say, this is enough. i should call the doj because this needs stand. i think most of us would say we know this needs to end, i'll do that next week. the next week comes in is the same repeat. i know this is wrong and needs to stop it i don't want to end it right now and watch everything i've done collapse. and i think that is a fairly humbling and difficult question task, how many of us would have the character after that final dinner with her family decide today were going to end it even though it's not being forced. >> host: may be long sentences are a deterrent to confessions. >> that's a very provocative way, he has a light sentence is the second he turned himself in he would never have another meal his family. that's an interesting way of framing it, but i think when it comes to why did this happen in the first place? how did it start growing in how to clamp down this is where he is dif

i was going to correct the historical record and return grant to his pedestal. now we've had a slew of grant biographies. people think it's safe when to the write about grant. when i was around writing about him. but new everybody is writing about him. the revision has been going on for about 25 yores. they're coming in near the end. a lot of those people talk about how they rehabilitate grant, how they elevate him. that's not my objective. my objective is to make you understand what ulice see -- ulysses s. grant was about. thing he is did we may find praiseworthy, things we did we may find we questionable. the man in all his humanity. the people i study, i can identify with them, at other times, if i had them in the room i'd say, what were you thinking? why did you do that? i don't see myself as somebody who is there to raise grant a few pegs on something. on somebody's scale of greatness. but i do see myself as someone who ss, this is what grant was about. i think in that way i try to be very fair and try to be dispassionate. i don't try to become enamored, i

because it is america's pedestal, remember they take oath not of allegiance to president at the takeh aleemgance to constitution of the united states i want to make sure people understand that when candidates come through are going to be standing onstage. >> you know moving past the process i totally understand your objection to it, they say personnel is policy, and who he chooses as secretary of state could greatly shape president-elect trump's foreign policy do you have favorites when it comes to that. >> i agree strongly lee about that, yes. the president appoints people that will end up serving at the president's pleasure. >> right. >> for the time being so it is redundant and insecuri-- securi the job not there to please the president it is serve president help him out keep oath of allegiance to constitution of the united states i this i that is important i do think people dictate policy, and they define it they personify it, but the president sets policy, if the people don't fit with the president's mold he removes them. >> question whether or not romney would actually do that

signs of very -- signs that are very bad to women is that people are constantly putting them on a pedestalur sacred treasures -- >> yeah, look at saudi arabia, women can't drive, because we don't want them to potentially hurt their ovaries. seriously! yeah, there's all sorts of, we need to protect you, because you need to be kept pure and you feed to be kept as beautiful as you are, you need to be kept as a thing. >> okay, we have our own version of that. sort of the george w., we all married up and all of this, women are smarter than we are. all that barlderdash. >> this was language that was used in the united states, we're talking about not giving women the vote a hundred years ago, that women were too pure for the dirty pool of politics. >> too delicate. >> exactly. >> speaking of women, here's a prominent one, long before mike pence, trump revealed to me in 1999, if he decided to run for 2000 in president, he had another running mate in mind. here he is on her. >> would you consider a woman for your running mate? and if so, who? >> well, i would consider it, and as chris can tell you,