why not let pence do it? they handed it off to pence. he is a good fundraiser, a prolific fundraiser. watching some of these, watching fec reports, watching who is giving and who is active, we will start to answer some of these questions about whether pence is feasible for 2024. that is still an open question right now. host: we have calls. let's go first to ian in cunningham, pennsylvania on the democrats line. caller: i'm calling to talk about former vice president pence. i have a feeling that if he tries a run for president in 2024 it's going to be overshadowed by president trump's shadow. host: we will hear from matthew in martinville, new york on the republican line. matthew in new york, go ahead. caller: i would like to apologize for that last collar. -- caller, a democrat, right? i have a statement and three questions. i take offense at what you call the january 6 the riot. it was basically just another day of tourists going to the capital to look at all the beautiful statuary. you are going to have to rescind that. who would poss

why not let pence do it? they handed it off to pence. a good fundraiser, a prolific fundraiser. watching some of these, watching fec reports, watching who is giving and who is active, we will start to answer some of these questions about whether pence is feasible for 2024. that is still an open question right now. host: we have calls. let's go first to ian in cunningham, pennsylvania on the democrats line. caller: i'm calling to talk about former vice president pence. i have a feeling that if he tries a run for president in 2024 it's going to be overshadowed by president trump's shadow. host: we will hear from matthew in martinville, new york on the republican line. matthew in new york, go ahead. caller: i would like to apologize for that last collar. -- caller, a democrat, right? i have a statement and three questions. i take offense at what you call the january 6 the riot. it was basically just another day of tourists going to the capital to look at all the beautiful statuary. you are going to have to rescind that. who would possibly w

the rioters were chanting, hang mike pence. that was in part because former president trump had falsely claimed to his supporters that pence could stop the certification of the election. you still see him standing up there proudly supporting his role in the trump administration and not really dispansing himself from the former president over all acknowledging they've spoken several times since january and this is coming as you point out as trump is still attacking pence for not overturning the election. >> right. trump continues to attack him and will speak in north carolina tomorrow night. if you read what the former president has put out in written statements he is still continuing this idea that he could be reinstated. if you talk to sources close to him, to your point about mike pence he draws a clear line about the insurrection. if trump runs in 2024 pence is probably a nonfactor. he is hoping trump is off the scene. george conway one of the trump critics in the beginning, saying it's just not enough. >> it's not something

the crowd was literally shouting, hang mike pence, hang mike pence.id not call his loyal vice president that day to see how he was doing. or the following days, for that matter. and as cnn's sunlen serfaty reports, it's not just that pence is making these comments at a gop event in a key battleground state, thus prompting speculation of a pence-presidential run. the comment also underlines that the republican party remains, so much, in the grip of the former president, who incited the deadly insurrection. even, so much so, that one of those threatened with a lynching that day is acting like it was, really, no big deal. >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. >> reporter: former vice president mike pence reemerging into the political spotlight in the battleground state of new hampshire. >> but thanks to the swift action of the capitol police and federal-law enforcement, violence was quelled. the capitol was secured. and that same day, we reconvened the congress and did our duty, under the constitution and the laws of

, hang mike pence." and yet, this is walter -- this guy is now defending donald trump. there are now parallels in american history. just none. >> it's a weird syndrome. and i'm glad you brought up my home state senator j john kenne. it's both a faux populism, an ivy league or oxford populism. and also this cravenness towards trump which is really going to come back and haunt people eventually. >> i -- look. by the way, walter isaacson is here, jonathan lemire at the table, alexi mccanon joins us this morning. so here again is what former vice president mike pence said last night to new hampshire's hillsborough county republicans about the january 6th attack on the capitol. >> january 6th was a dark day isn't the history of the united states capitol. but thanks to the swift action of the capitol police and federal law enforcement, violence was quelled. the capitol was secured. and that same day, we reconvened the congress and did our duty under the constitution and the laws of united states. you know, pre

chanting hang mike pence. and bring out pence. rioters outside set up a makeshift gallows in the field. not only the riot ers calling for his murder. they had set up the structure to carry it out. perhaps pence was thinking about this at the time. or he was thinking about how leading up to january 6th, trump reportedly told him quote you can either go down in history at a patriot or go down as a pussy. putting that aside, how one feels about how we should or shouldn't continue democratic governance. where people choose their leaders. i have strong feelings about that. i imagine most of you do too. putting that aside. at a personal level, it's a messed up thing when your boss tries to get you killed. which is more or less what happened on january 6th. so, i have been curious as to how mike pence was going to respond. we have watched republican after republican bow and scrape and bend the knee and give away personal dignity. in humiliating ways. the big two examples are senator graham of south carolina and cruz of texas. during the

former vice president pence sprinting to safety.m the then president to check on him in an attack where rioters chanted hang mike pence and forced him and the family by the way to evacuate the senate chamber. now for one of the first time we hear publicly from pence acknowledging that day saying it was a low point for the country and what else he said is news. listen. >> january 6 was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the american people over the last four years. >> here's something else he and donald trump may not see eye to eye on. who should be the gop nominee in 2024. it is believed that mike pence wants that to be him but donald trump with the party's base still firmly in the grip is teasing a run with the speech tomorrow in north carolina and a summer of rallies to follow. with me now is kelly o'donnell and former congresswoman

>> hang mike pence! >> hang mike pence! >> pence and his family were whisked away by security.r that day for mike pence's life and the lives of his family members. yet, not only did president trump not reach out to his loyal vice president that day to make sure that he was okay, trump praised the mob. an event where a mob tried to lynch you is not something any rational person would agree to disagree with anyone on. and for what its worth, i do consider mike pence to be rational. but what's happening is, mike pence is no longer in a rational world. he's trying to function and thrive, frankly, in donald trump's alternative universe and in this deranged place, not only was the election stolen -- it wasn't -- but we learned from multiple reports in the last few days let by the "new york times" maggie haberman, trump believes he could be reinstated as president in august because of these unofficial and, frankly, fraudulent ballot audits going on in places such as arizona. that's not going to happen at all. there's no reality to it. but instead of republican officials making that cl

i voted for mike pence. >> thank you. >> they look at donald j.at the millions and millions of people inspired who went to battle fighting alongside president trump, and they're terrified. and they want him to go away. let me tell you this right now. donald j. trump ain't going anywhere. >> so, yes, blood is no match for kool-aid and whoever said love conquers all apparently didn't know donald trump. when the former president called mitch mcconnell a dumb son of a bitch, that is a quote, he also jabbed mcconnell's wife elaine chao who served as his former transportation secretary but resigned after the insurrection. trump mocked her and attacked her family ties to china. and yet -- >> if the president was the party's nominee, would you support him? >> the nominee of the party? absolutely. >> even if he calls your wife ugly, mocks your dad, puts a target on your brother's back or rips your uncle, in the age of trump, truly, you can choose your friends but you can't choose your family. >> maybe just one more time. blood is thicker than water, but is

hang mike pence! >> hang mike pence. chilling words for generations to come. perhaps pence didn't get the presidential memo that he's just no that into you because mike pence, after all of that, emerged last night without even a fly on his head to say this -- >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. you know, president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. and i don't know if we will ever see eye to eye on that day. but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the american people over the last four years! >> that's right. we don't see eye to eye, as if trump ordering a mob to lirj him was simply a disagreement over say brandy versus monica or whether the g.o.a.t. is tom brady or serena or simone biles. for pence, what's a little murderous rampage amongst friends? it exposes once again as george conway described it, the unraveling of the republican party. to the point george p. bush, the son of a florida governor the president once called low energy, is willing to throw his family under the bus to s

>> mike pence.suck >> seth: booing is one thing but they're calling pence a traitor, and he tries to just keep giving his speech, and act like it's not happening. pence could use a smithers right about now. "oh, they're not saying traitor, they're saying tr-yay-tor. also, it's a gathering of religious conservatives called the faith and freedom coalition. pence should be able to walk into that place like norm walking into "cheers." "mike! what's shaking, mr. pence? "the knees of the faithless, woody. if pence should be popular anywhere, it's there and yet he's still getting booed. that's like the kardashians getting booed on e >> did you get kendall a present? >> i did >> what did you get? >> something for her lake house. [ crowd booing ] >> oh, nice. >> you suck. >> seth: and, yeah, i'm aware the kardashians have been moved from e! to hulu, just because most my references are from the '70s and '80s doesn't mean i don't know anything about the kardashians i know pop culture better than radar riley kn

pence didn't have the courage, quote/unquote. so, i don't know if pence can do it. he's going to try, you know, he's going to try to wrap himself and i'm not sure trump will give it to him. >> i think you were right there was a much longer lead up to that and we're still living in the aftermath of it. john, thanks for waking up early with us. >>> the house judiciary committee will hear testimony behind closed doors about former president donald trump's efforts to obstruct. there will be strict testimony and only be asked about information attributed to him or events involving him in the publicly available portions of the mueller report. in 2019 the house judiciary committee wanted to question mcgahn of russian interference in the 2016 election but he refused under trump's instructions. testimony is expected to begin at 10:00 this morning. >>> still ahead, less than 50 days ahead of the tokyo olympics. >>> senator joe manchin holding out hope for a compromise on infrastructure. what he said when asked if democrats can go it alone. those stories and a check on weather

the insurrection put pence's life at risk. escorted to safety as the violent mob grew near. the violent mob that chanted hang mike pence. the mob that showed up on behalf of trump who told them pence was letting them down. and pence is still basically kissing up to trump. that's the context for a new push for progressiving telling biden stop waiting for the go p to act like a negotiating partner. joining me now eugene robinson. great to talk to you. i'm really excited about this. i got to start off with this. you have seen a lot in washington, d.c. have you ever seen the kind of bizarre loyalty that we're seeing from mike pence right now? and where do you think it stems from? >> well, i don't think anybody has ever seen anything like this, really, jason. but, you know, you are seeing it from mike pence. but look at what you are seeing from kevin mccarthy. look at what you're seeing from mitch mcconnell. you know, the day of, the day after the insurrection, they too were angry and mccarthy had this blow-up on the phone -- >> ex

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it is what happened to mike pence. is there anyone more conservative than mike pence. he's ranked up there as the most loyal conservative soldier. today at a conference pence was heckled and called a traitor. >> i want to thank my friend ralph reed for those overly -- >> i am a christian and a conservative and a republican in that ords. i am honored to stand before you today. >> well, we know why pence got the traitor treatment, right? because on january 6th and his role as vice president, he upheld the constitution and the will of the american people and did not bow to trump's insane demand to overturn joe biden's victory. for that, on january 6th, he was met with these chants. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> let me say it again, a gallow was brought to the capitol hill to hang the vice president of the united states. mike pence had to be safely evacuated from the house floor as rioters broke into the chamber. mike pence put country above trump's crazy requests to overturn the election so trump could remain in office. for that, he gets heckled by the same peop

it's what happened to mike pence. is there anyone more conservative than mike pence? i mean, seriously. he ranks up there, as one of the most loyal, conservative soldiers. and yet, today, at a conference for religious conservatives, pence was heckled and called a traitor. listen. >> and i want to thank my friend ralph reid for those overly generous words. i am deeply humbled. ralph reid knows me well enough to know -- i prefer is a little bit shorter. i am a christian, a conservative, and a republican, in that order. and i am honored to stand before you today. >> well, we know why pence got the traitor treatment, right? because, on january 6th, in his role as vice president, he upheld the constitution and the will of the american people. and did not bow to trump's insane demands, that he overturn joe biden's election victory. and for that, on january 6th, he was met with these chants. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> trump supporters bringing a gallows to the grounds of the capitol. let me say that, again. a gallows was brought to the capitol.

on january 6th a pro trump mob chanted, where is mike pence? hang mike pence.itol they chanted this while then president trump did nothing for hours to stop them. instead, he attacked his vp on twitter because pence made it clear he would not block congressional certification of the 2020 election results. trump threw pence under the bus as pence, his wife, his daughter fled for their lives. despite that and despite 2024 talk pence has yet to really throw trump under the bus. he did, however, say this last night. >> as i said that day, january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capitol. president trump and i have spoken many times since we left office. and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day. >> never see eye to eye. with us now bill kristol former adviser in the bush 41 administration, currently the director of defending democracy together a group of prominent anti-trump conservatives and also the editor at large of "the bulwark." good to see you on this friday. what is your reaction to what we just heard from pence and thi

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it is not that hard. >> think of mike pence, what would mike pence -- mike pence could have said wait a second, i ratified the electoral college counts and that's what i am supposed to do that's what we need to do to have the t transition of power in this country which tragically we didn't have on january 6th. he can go praise donald trump's policies and say other nice things if he feels like he has to. just saying that, ex pplaining y he did the right thing could have an influence. if mike pence - yeah, you know that's a good point. that's not so great of what happened on january 6th and trump really did lose the election. you can't have a big lie going forward and justifying all kinds of bad things over the next few years if it is allowed to go forward. again, it did not occur to mike pence to say the version of what i just said. it did not occur to mitch mcconnell or kevin mccarthy. i better go out there and address my constituents and fellow republicans and trump sp supporters and say this is not acceptable but none of them does it. >> this rich irony of republicans criticizing jo

hang mike pence! hang mike pence! mike pence could have died that day, and he is still talking. whatever. the then president who incited the election who slammed his own vice president for failing to stop the certification of the vote did nothing to help him. but he's still proud of what they accomplished. mike pence, still proud of what they accomplished. okay. do you believe that? this is a party -- well, it should be pot party trump, hunting for those same lawmakers, beating police officers to within an inch of their lives. last night you heard me talk with one of those officers, a man that i've gotten to know, who has become a real friend, officer mike fanone. he told me about how he felt about republicans who even after he and the mother of fallen officer brian sicknick went to the capitol, talked to them face-to-face. they still blocked the commission after mitch mcconnell asked them to do it as a personal favor to him. he called them disgraceful. mike fanone is a truth teller. and tonight i'm going talk to another truth teller, another american hero, capitol police sergea

you know mike pence.n stunned by trump's political depravity, by the fact there was no line he wouldn't cross, by his indifference to human suffering around the pandemic. but why was he surprised that trump then turned on him around the certification on january 6th? he had seen who trump was. >> well, he certainly had seen who trump is firsthand. we lived that together for quite sometime. but i think that at the end of the day, i think when you are the vice president to this man, you're literally working down the hallway for this entire time, i think somewhere in mike pence's head he thought that they were in this together and that trump knew that he was a loyal person. he rarely had daylight between the two of them. he was completely loyal the entire tenure while there. i saw it firsthand. so i think he was shocked that day when he goes in to certify the election results, and i think that what happened and the way it played out was shocking to him. i think the reality of this situation was on full displa

pence ignored the outbust and continued with his speech. "washington post" morning news letter, "power up," jacqueline alemany. good morning. really something to watch mike pence get heckled in this way. that faith and freedom coalition is a place where he was welcomed in the past. he was loyal to president trump for four years as vice president to the point that people mocked his appearances when he would stand behind the president and kind of look at him. there were many critics, trump critics and others who couldn't understand why he didn't say more than he did, but then at the very last minute, he was the one who wrote that letter and said, i'm not going to do anything i'm not supposed to do, i'm going to certify the election, and after that, there were supporters for trump with a noose chajt "hang mike pence," and now he goes to this conference and that's what happens. what's your reaction to this and what's mike pence's future in the parties? >> yeah. we're seeing all sorts of retribution taking place, kasey, from a rhetoric level to

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and a reminder, insurrectionists were hunting him down january 6th, chanting, "hang mike pence."are finally hearing from him but all he's saying is it was a dark day and he and trump don't see eye to eye. it's not saying much. is he calling for a commission? >> it doesn't sound like he's calling for a commission. and what you hear though is mike pence saying something that he didn't say in the four years where he was vice president, which is that i disagree with former president trump on an issue. remember that mike pence was someone that no matter what was going on, no matter whether it was -- a lot of people that former president trump knew getting charged or going to prison, time and time again you saw mike pence stand by the president, including when they were separating children from their families. the list goes on of things that the trump administration did that were controversial at best and critics would say racist and problematic at worst. but what you see here is mike pence at least showing a little daylight between him and former president trump. and that i think mean

for thinking pence might actually try to do so.th, that pence was not on board with the attempt to swindle the american people out of their votes. while campaigning in georgia for the senate runoff elections on january 4th. >> i know we all got our doubts about the last election, and i want to assure you, i share the concerns of millions of americans about voting irregularities. and i promise you, come this wednesday, we'll have our day in congress. we'll hear the objections. we'll hear the evidence. >> and this is the problem with the big lie. once you're in, you're in. once you lie about the election or sign on to that deranged lawsuit, the lies about the election or vote to disenfranchise, millions of americans from arizona and pennsylvania based on those lies, you're in. as trump proved again at a rally in ohio last night, he's not going to fade away and take his lies with him, he's going to stand in front of his supporters and continue to lie. lies no less than attorney general bill barr in the atlantic journal were, quote, al

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that is not mike pence. here's what he did on the day on january 6th.e told the president and the country, i cannot stand in the way of the certification of these election results, in his role as president of the senate. he is there to certify, not obstruct. he is there to overseed certification of the results. that's exactly what he did. rational republicans realize he was doing his job and upholding the constitution. >> april, you saw ralph reed downplaying this. >> you cannot downplay what happened to him, like you cannot downplay what happened on january 6th. this is a minor offshoot, you if you will, of what happened on january 6th. i cannot get out of my head a gallow erected with a noose specifically for mike pence. the pictures of mike pence and his family be escorted out of there. now he's at this really. they are booing him. it's going to get worse. what it's going to take to change it is for the former president of the united states to stay stop. >> he's not going to do that. >> that won't happen. >> and that's the problem. >> pence's role wa

hang mike pence, they were channelling. it is incredible.redible to watchful but pence deserves credit for doing under enormous pressure, doing the right thing that day. he did the right thing. he deserves credit for that. >> let's talk about this national reporting. charles cook is backing up maggie haberman, saying that the former president really believes he will be reinstated. he adds that conservatives should not brush this off. let me quote here. such temptations should be avoided. we are not talking about a fringe figure within the republican tent but about a man who hopes to make support as he decides whom to endorse in 2022 and 2024. most republicans aren't standing up to trump even though some at least seem legitimately alarmed. what's going on? >> they're just afraid of trump. they're afraid of trump and they're afraid of his supporters. the large percentage of republicans who have been deceived by trump, or willingly deceived, frankly. and they are, they fear this man who cost them the presidency, cost them the house of represent

pence upheld the constitution, and trump was ready to discard it. and that's just remarkable how pence can just say, oh, we're having -- we won't see eye to eye about that. this is the most fundamental thing you could possibly disagree about if you are a public official of the federal government and particularly the two highest elected officials in the united states of america. we won't see eye to eye. one is talking about overthrowing the constitution. one was trying to overthrow the constitution by encouraging people to march up to capitol hill so they could stop the counting of the electoral votes. the other man, to his credit, upheld the constitution and did his constitutional duty. it's just -- to say they don't see eye to eye on it like, oh, it's just another disagreement about policy is just a kind of a remarkable, remarkable understatement, if you will, of what happened there. >> yeah. we don't see eye to eye on the mob that you incited to come and who wanted to kill me, yeah. >> exactly. you know, hang mike pence, they were chanting. it's j

remember, protestors were chanting hang mike pence.we've reported that when they came up to the second floor to where the doors to the senate chamber were, they were just within about -- exactly, they were in about 60 seconds away from where mike pence was sheltered. and it is not just him. mike pence is someone who cares deeply about his family, and he is there with his wife, some other family members. you see they willing ushered out. and mike pence could give a similar account to what you just played that police officer giving but he has taken a different tact because he has calculated as he did his entire vice presidency that his only path to political viability is to link himself to trump in the subservient way that he has done the prior four years. >> and capitol police have said how do we prevent it from happening again if we don't get to the pot of how it happened. president biden did come out against the commission saying that congress should do its job. but republicans voted against it, so where does that leave democrats and

because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election.president pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people. >> pence, of course, had no such power to carry out such an un-american idea but you can forgive trump for thinking pence might actually try to do so. i mean, after all, it was not clear until that day, january 6th, that pence was not on board with the attempt to swindle the american people out of their votes. and this is what pence was saying just two days before hand, while campaigning in georgia for the senate runoff elections on january 4th. >> i know we all got our doubts about the last election, and i want to assure you, i share the concerns of millions of americans about voting irregularities. and i promise you, come this wednesday, we'll have our day in congress. we'll hear the objections. we'll hear the evidence. >> and this is the problem with the big lie. once you're in, you're in. once you lie about the election or sign on to that deranged lawsuit,

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you know what, mike pence was not a trader.hey defend what he did on january six? this is where the collapse of the republican establishment is almost as damaging as the insane cold like behavior of the trump loyalist. >> al franken, the party did not have a platform at all in the last presidential election. and the platform of this gathering seems to be, we all miss donald trump. can they run on that. where does your gut stand on that the upcoming midterms for example? >> there's a lot of time between then and now. what democrats have to do is accomplish stuff for the american people. i think that's first and foremost. i do think that means saddling on some modification of the filibuster. but look, this guy -- 600,000 people died and many of them didn't have to. this guy abdicated all responsibility. and we have to make that case. this guy was a disaster for this country. he punted everything to the states. it's as if after pearl harbor fdr said, this is kind of hawaii's problem world. this was a crime, what he did during that

. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> mike pence could have died that day. and he's, still, talking. whatever. the then-president, who incited the insurrection, who slammed his own vice president for failing to stop the certification of the vote, did nothing to help him. but he's, still, proud of what they accomplished. mike pence. still, proud of what they accomplished. okay. you believe that? this is a party, gop -- well, it should be p.o.t., party of trump, that refused to take a stand to investigate what happened on january 6th. when those blood-thirsty rioters stormed the capitol, beating police officers within inch of their lives. a man i have gotten to know, who's become a real friend, officer mike fanone. he told me how he felt about republicans who, even after he and the mother of fallen officer brian sicknick, went to the capitol to talk to them, face to face, they still blocked the commission after mitch mcconnell asked them to do it, as a personal favor to him. he called them disgraceful. m

i just want to add something to what gloria said about mike pence. this morning not seeing eye to eye is a term we use on policy, not on an insurrection. >> especially when they were saying hang pence and all that. >>> just ahead, breaking news, president biden rejects a republican counter offer on infrastructure as the two sides remain extremely far apart. are democrats about to try to go it alone? advanced non-small cell lung cancer can change everything. but your first treatment could be a chemo-free combination of two immunotherapies that works differently. it could mean a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1 and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. opdivo plus yervoy is the only fda-approved combination of two immunotherapies opdivo plus yervoy equals... a chance for more starry nights. more sparkly days. more big notes. more small treasures. more family dinners. more private desserts. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system

that as you said, were chanting hang mike pence. i guess the thing that would tie it all together for me is, this is this all really worth it? [laughs] is losing the 2024 presidential race are attorney general of texas really worth it? there's a lot of stuff these guys could do with their lives. >> robert, tin as always, ask a good question on top of good points. and robert, as a democrat in the trenches, what good news from -- can democrats take from any or all of this? because otherwise, republicans are giving joe biden all he can take. >> yeah, i think the good news for democrats is, this continues to be in the news. it continues to be -- and what i mean by being in the muse, and mean donald trump is in the news. i don't think anybody benefits from january six being whitewashed. but i think it is startling that has ten points out, somebody in the bush family is now looking for the sanction of donald trump in order to get a job. it is clear whether it is mike pence or mitch mcconnell, or kevin mccarthy, or literally hundreds of ot

so it's stunning for pence to make these comments. it's not surprising, of course. of the president take. lindsey graham, who trump gave out his number one time at a press conference, he is a close affiliate former president. ben carson, trump once called him a liar. the list goes on and on. but pence is at the height of it because the situation he was in where he never got a phone call from the president that day, as rioters were chanting "hang mike pence," something that was well-known on that day. he had to be escorted out by service. staff at the white house were begging the president to put out a statement. and to hear him minimize it as just one tragic day and essentially blaming democrats and the media for continuing to talk about it even though it was a history-making moment, just goes to show what this next race is going to look like, and the republican primary coming up, you're going to see people like pence who we do expect to run trying to square this while saying, you know, they're not standing by what trump did that day, but they are saying we need to

they walk in, shake hands of pence, pence gets up. straight into the oval office. he says mr. president, this is former senator lugar, former senator not. -- >> nobody paid per ticket to see me. please stand and remain standing for the invocation, the pledge, our national anthem and our toast. for that, i would like to welcome to the stage the commissioner of education. >> good evening, let's pray. dear lord, we are so very thankful for the care, wisdom, and guidance you have bestowed on this great nation. through your guiding hand, the course of this nation, and the course of humanity has been blessed beyond what we can truly understand. through this nation and its wise founders and leaders, we recognize the inalienable rights of each individual. not given to us by a government but endowed by our creator. we recognize the proper role of government to protect those rights for all individuals. like our forefathers, we acknowledge the ongoing work to be done to form a more perfect union. we thank you for those who have labored to plan and prepare this event for us. this evening,

first of all, mike pence. 1/6, no problem, we talk often. and then there's also george p. bush.or that matter the bush name and his entire political family. his uncle the president, his grandfather the president. no big deal. he's running as a trumper for attorney general of texas. you worked for jeb. i'm not asking you to violate a confidence, but i am asking what your feelings are for both of these republicans. >> sure, i'll take the second one, i guess. i guess i'll caveat from the start jeb bush is the best person i ever worked for and i have nothing but love in my heart for him and his family and i've not had in any private conversations with him so i don't have any confidences to betray. i'll say this, i have no idea what he's doing. i think it's humiliating for him. i think that the best case scenario is that he wins an office that's really not that important or high profile by undermining his family, by sucking up to a man that attacked his own mother as an illegal immigrant. so i don't understand the strategy. i really don't think this is party going to continue the tru

we are here to hang mike pence. for them, and we weren't, so they turned against us. it was very scary because i thought i was going to lose my life right there. >> reporter: some of the most horrific video shows sergeant gonell steps from metropolitan police officer daniel hodges caught in a doorway. >> i could hear my fellow officers screaming. all i could think was we can't let these people in. there's going to be a slaughter inside. >> reporter: rioters beat gonell so badly they cut his hand and he needed foot surgery. while he held off attackers outside, they locked down the capitol and defended senators. >> did you ever think this was going to be a life-or-death situation for you? >> i remember thinking specifically when i was on the floor like, byron, this is the day. all those times you think of what you do, you're doing it. >> reporter: for hours senators watched the riot on tv from a secure location. >> i remember the anger of seeing the busted windows, climbing the walls and things like that. there was an

remember rioters could be heard chanting hang mike pence. trump had accused him of being disloyal for following the constitution and refusing to overturn the election results. well, today pence spoke to religious conservatives at the faith and freedom coalition conference. and as he tried to speak, boos and cries of traitor rained down from the crowd. >> and i want to thank my friend ralph reed for those overly generous words. i'm deeply humbled by them. ralph reed knows me well enough to know the introduction i prefer is a little bit shorter. i'm a christian, a conservative, and a republican in that order and i am honored to stand before you today. >> with that let's bring in our lead off guests on this friday night. shannon pettypiece, veteran journalist and senior white house reporter over at nbc digital. frank figliuzzi, former assistant fbi director for counter intel. also host of the new podcast called "the bury." and keith mays, author of african studies. as a great man once said some days it's like one step up and two steps back. on

yet, it was quite clear at this point that mike pence felt a necessity, not, you know, the opportunity or the offhand remarks but the necessityrt to clarify that he does not agree with donald trump with trump's interpretation of generate six and frankly' with a great deal of what has played out as a result of it. remember, you're now in a situation where polling suggests that there is a deep divide among the market people literally on what happened on january 6. and what happened in the run-up to that. we should understand what was going on. good president of the united states who hadre been defeated n an election, clearly defeated. he lost many of the states and offend key to his victory years earlier and it was. >> all of today's washington journal program is available online at c-span .org. we will leave it here to continue our long-time commitment to live congressional coverage of the u.s. senate. they are about to gavel in to begin work on president biden's first judicial nomination on the floor, district judge for new jersey. live senate coverage now here on c-span2. the presidin

if you what, welcome to the reagan library, karen pence.se] at a museum and library, it's easy to assume that our focus is always on thehe past but the legacy we are charged to uphold here is a man by the name of ronald reagan whose eyes were always fixed firmly and optimistically on the future. the future brings us here tonight. this evening's event is the second for our time for choosing a series, a series that takes it name from the transformative 1964 speech that launched a political career and changed everything. it's speech as we caught around here. as we gather today, republican party, the party our namesake went on to shape, is at a crossroads. what does it stand for? what direction will it take in the years ahead? those are the questions would come to answer in this series and they are questions we put to our guests, individuals who would clearly be leaders of the republican party in the years ahead our speaker tonight shares biographical detail with president reagan. he, too was a democrat in his youngers days. as then governor pe

hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> okay. so, that was more than five months ago and today, a reminder for many supporters of the former president, none of that anger has gone away. mike pence appeared at what was billed as the faith and freedom coalition summit today. and in years past, it's kind of the audience who would have welcomed him. today, he did get applause. but he, also, was booed and people continually interrupted his scripted remarks screaming out the word "traitor." >> it is great to be back with so many patriots. dedicated to faith and freedom, and the road to the majority. and i want to thank my friend, for those overly generous words. i'm deeply humbled by them. ralph reid knows me well enough to know. i'm a christian, a conservative, and a republican, in that order. and i am honored to stand before you, today. >> in case you have any confusion about why they are screaming traitor at mike pence, it's not because he continues to stand by the former president, who disgraced himself and the country by praising

can mike pence make it all the way back? it's going to be tough. >> all right, congressman curbela, thank you. >>> a flood of new video from the capitol riot and new documents revealing how investigators are looking into suspects they've arrested to find out, get ready for this, if members of congress were involved. >>> plus, as the nation marks juneteenth for the first time as a federal holiday, our eyes are focused on what is next. why not both? visibly diminish wrinkled skin in... crepe corrector lotion... only from gold bond. feeling sluggish or weighed down? it could be a sign that your digestive system isn't working at it's best taking metamucil everyday can help. metamucil psyllium fiber, gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down. it also helps lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels. so you can feel lighter and more energetic metamucil. support your daily digestive health. and try metamucil fiber thins. a great tasting and easy way to start your day. i'm greg, i

pence, 22%. that's weak.oing on. donald trump is still ahead when you ask about donald trump. 50% mike pence back at 10%, se de sant us at 8%. look at the polls when donald trump is not asked. look at that. ron desantis ahead of mike pence. not particularly well known and just the governor of florida but ahead of a former v.p. that's a strong showing in my opinion. >> what's that about? why do you think the florida governor is getting so much traction? >> well, for one thing, he's getting mentioned a lot in the media. right? if we learned anything from 2016, what we know is that the media can oftentimes drive momentum. and ron desantis on fox news, 456 mentions over the last two months. that's ahead of cruz and pence or nikki haley, another person getting mentioned. i think part of what's going on here is there are a lot of folks very upset with mike pence, and i think we have a little sound from that from a little speech he was giving. >> i'm deeply humbled by it. >> that is something for you right there. an

a number of speakers, including former vice president mike pence. supportive about trump's claims of voter fraud, he is seeking support from the audience as well as hecklers who appeared to shout "traitor" to him. >> i want to thank my friend ralph reed for those words. ralph reed knows me enough to know that the introduction i prefer is a little bit shorter. >> joining us now is nbc news political correspondent ali vitale. ali, this is an early start to the primary. tell us what you collected yesterday in your reporting, including what happened on that stage a couple hours ago. >> reporter: very early start to our conversations about 2024, but i hope you'll allow me, as a fellow politico, because moving over all of this is the shadow of the former president donald trump. you saw it there in the clip you just showed, mike pence having a higher tightrope to walk really than any other republicans here because of the part he played in upholding the election results on january 6 in washington, d.c. we know that's something that's lingering with some in

let's talk about mike pence. what based on your reporting is he up to here, trying to walk that tightrope in new hampshire last night, trying to lay the groundwork, it would appear, for a future presidential run even if donald trump himself might run or would like to support somebody other than mike pence? >> well, i think you've seen a range of options here when you're a republican officeholder when dealing with donald trump. liz cheney completely abandoned him. there is the kevin mccarthy sticking by him come hell or high water, and then there's mike pence taking kind of the middle ground after january 6 was a bad day. people were running through the hallways as you showed screaming, "hang mike pence." i imagine he and the former president would not see eye to eye because the president thinks it was overblown and much ado about nothing, and presumably they were there to kill mike pence. i can imagine why they don't see eye to eye on that day. but you see mike pence trying to take a middle ground and criticize t

at the end, the problem is not mike pence -- with mike pence or with anybody else. course, that rank and file is shrinking. it's getting smaller. i think moments like this actually make that rank and file even smaller. more people peel off of the republican party, they become independent, start voting for conservative democrats. i think we're going to see -- i don't think i know. we'll see a major realignment in american politics over the next five years, the democratic party is going to get bigger, more moderate. you'll have people in the suburbs that started breaking in the 2018, 2020 election, they'll continue to break this way. unless there's a republican that can come along and say, hey, you got to stop with the cult stuff. it's really -- that's not helping us expand our party. we need to worry about winning elections again. until that moment comes and it may not come until after 2024 because the republican house may do very well in 2022. they should, if they don't it's a shock. but until that happens, this is going to continue, and it's going to cause long ter