>> there is a pendulum that swings in politics.nk right now, the pendulum is swinging in the military's favor. there was that bloody crackdown condemned by many egyp jpions and human rights groups. the death toll still somewhat unclear, probably more or less 1,000 people killed in just the space of several days. but the reaction among many people at least here in cairo has been to defend the military which might sound surprising but people were very unhappy with the muslim brotherhood. there has been an intense propaganda campaign on egyptian media 24 hours a day describing the muslim brotherhood as terrorists, describing them as saboteurs putting images of muslim brotherhood members who are in these demonstrations is carrying weapons, using weapons. so at least right now, the pendulum seems to have shifted in the military's favor in terms of arresting the spiritual guide, that's not the kind of action that egyptians will be upset about. that's a direct action against the muslim brotherhood. >> if you talk for a moment about this p

suddenly, gravity and the pendulum were no longer necessary. the new spring-driven mechanism made it possible to shrink the clock to fit into a hand or a pocket. and the pocket watch was born. gygax: this watch is absolutely amazing. it shows the exact position of the sun and the moon all around the earth from the top of the north pole. pogue: oh man, that's really cool. and how much does this watch go for? between $80,000 and $90,000. (laughs) pogue: but no need to spend 90 grand to find out what time it is. nowadays, super accurate watches are disposable... thanks to another great clock revolution, which began in the 1960s. out went the spring and mechanical oscillator, replaced by a tiny sliver of solid mineral quartz. slice a piece of quartz small enough, send an electric current through it and it vibrates-- fast. a quartz-driven clock can accurately chop time into millionths of a second. but the biggest selling point for quartz is that it's cheap. that's because quartz is actually silicon-- commonplace sand, the second most abundant elemen

that period ended when the pendulum of trying to swing back and forth started to swing so fast and so far it finally crashed in the country succumbed to the crew of a small communist group quickly followed by the soviet invasion and i would contend from that day to this we are still in the aftermath of the soviet invasion. it pretty much destroyed the fabric of the country with the 6 million refugees said construction of the villages with the tribal structure and the creation of the states of war in which the old traditional afghan system for generating leadership gave way if you were good you could be an important guys that brought it into being another class of laughter and leaders when the soviets left they all started to fight each other and with the wake of that is the taliban. so now i think we have come in with something of the same idea that this is a primitive country in trouble and if we can restore everything and to produce material benefits they will be grateful and come to our side. afghans are interested in the material benefits but there is a question of the reconstruct

it's clear to me that the pendulum swing too far.the pendulum always swings back. >> and another thing to a dead. the as been cut in half, but some of the unions are going out of their room and saying things like we don't like obamacare. we don't like what it's doing. neil: they're pretty strong. a very big difference. the building tras union. >> some of them are going off the reservation. neil: is time to talk solar power. the graphics. it's sort of like a rocket. the last president t try solar panels of the white house was jimmy carter before reagan probably have them all taken down. >> it's different. there was no manufacturing scale , now many well organized -- neil: that look identical to what they did back it. >> but they aren't. more powerful. by the way, they're not t bleeding edge. neil: better late than never. >> the solar panel costs are coming down. he promptly knows this better than i do. the thing is -- neil: we need more public support. we're going to be giving our solar panels from china. >> of the seven. and the thin

>> it is a positive, larry, but you know the pendulum swings too fast, and the fed, who is swinging thelum, i think inflation will be quite scary, so right now until we see a wage inflation, we're not concerned, but we are being very, very cautious about what's coming down the pipeline, because it's going to rear its ugly head like it always does. >> let me go to the great reserve race. this is a fun story. "wall street journal" reports today that janet yellen is playing down her chances, and then richard trumka saying yellen would be a better fed chief. anyway, what are yellen's chances, james pethokoukos? what do you think? >> the folks i talked to thoughts that larry summers was a lock, and then pushback, negative stories, bond losses, the signal democrats about a third of the senate coming out against him. and he still seems to be the front-runner. i think this administration wants larry summers. i don't think there's much that janet yellen can do. i think that she's some sort of dangerous super-dove idea. i think that's ma larky, but i would be surprised if it's not larry summers.

because no matter how far that negative pendulum swings, it's always going to go to the positive every time. >> we're coming right at you. we're coming right at you. >> a stolen dumptruck rips through an ohio suburb and takes the police head-on. >> going to ram another cruiser. he just rammed a cruiser. >> march 7th, 2010. a crisp winter saturday morning in stow, ohio, just outside akron. officer steve miller is on a call about a dumptruck stolen the night before. miller surveys the scene and returns to the department to file a report. but as he pulls in, dispatch notifies him that the truck owner he just left has tracked down his missing truck and he's following it. >> i'm just thinking who would steal a dumptruck and still be driving it around in the city after they stole it during the night? >> within minutes, officer miller spots the dump truck as it approaches a stop sign. miller approaches behind and prepares to pull it over. but whoever is driving that truck has no intention of stopping. soon another officer is on the scene in an suv. a third officer, sergeant ron jones, speeds

we have to stop flying the pendulum back and forth and get somewhere in the middle. the perfect example on this for dhs is, someone comes into the united states on january 1 and all you have is his name and phone number. under the old guidelines, 91 days later that information had to be flushed from nctc systems. one day 91, if you got a tip from the cia that this number was associated with al qaeda, nctc wouldn't know. imagine that hearing when the attack occurs. the issue here was, how long should nctc be able to keep this? the auditing, review, trust and verify. the old system wasn't calibrated post-9/11. it wasn't calibrated post 2005. they were guidelines from 2000 and the world had changed. >> on the transparency point, we adopted these new guidelines and put them on our website. i still have a crick in my neck because last week, we had this great forum with representatives from a number of different groups on a wednesday, very concerned about our aggregation of data as well as nsa leaks. less than 24 hours later, i was in a congressional hearing where the focu

>> it's amazing how the pendulum of history can switch.ee years ago, the arab spring began when mubarak was overthrown and put in prison. the tide of history seem to be turning. the world, the united states, was with the protesters who are on streets. then the muslim brotherhood came to power here. governed so badly, many egyptians and other countries turned against them. the crackdown that has happened against the muslim brotherhood has been relatively popular on the streets of cairo. and it seems now if mubarak gets out you're not going to see a massive angry reaction like we would have a few years ago. it seems like the tide for the pendulum has swung a little bit. >> that is unbelievable. history moving fast in cairo. richard engel, thank you, sir, as always. coming up on "the daily rundown" we get a deep dive into how campaign-style tactics are coming to sports. maybe some of your favorite teams. wait till you check your facebook page. some of your favorite teams are taking a cue from the presidential campaigns in an attempt to draw i

. >> perhaps the pendulum has swung toofer in terms of mandatory sentences. >> but critics of the move say it sends a signal to low level drug dealers that the price of doing business has gone down. >> if the price of doing business goes down, that's going to provide me with a september tons do more business because the legal risk i was previously facing are down. >> one local defense attorney believes it's time that sentencing guidelines be changed saying it penal lieses the little guy while the king pins go free. >> the big dogs don't carry the drugs so when the government across the country happens to catch the lower level folks, they are subject to laws that were passed in the 1970's which has led to a very high incarceration rate for our country. >> the senate judiciary committee is holding hearings next month granting federal judges greater flexibility in sentencing. >> president obama signed an order to look into communications technology in the intelligence gathering. the review was announced friday. it followed questions prompted by edward snowden's leak of information. the re

that up excess mass incarceration like same-sex marriage are both two issues where we have seen the pendulum swing entirely just over the last 10 or 15 years and the white house hears it into bama came out in public and said something about same-sex marriage and take action and on mass incarceration we see action. here is an area folk as we we ae seeing a bipartisan coalition emerging around reducing mass incarceration. i just got through talking with grover norquist and a bunch of other well-known conservatives in a group called right on crime ed meese compound the list is long of well-known conservatives who are involved in this. newt gingrich is another one. the list is long and my mind is slow but they are coming back. also i talked with the head of the naacp ben jealous. then jealous and grover norquist working together. is this possible? yes. around mass incarceration. they were in texas justifying. georgia has cut that they're spending. it arkansas's closing jails. 10 years ago we were talking about three strikes and everything else. there is a meeting of the minds and the wallets her

you need to see the pendulum has now swung. the tea party in many ways has lost a lot of this mojo because of overreach. it is out of sync with the values of so many people. we could have seen that in the summer of 2009. one of tea party people stood up and said "government, take your hands off my medicare." you see how internalized those programs are. >> who does not want to watch a car wreck? >> it has done a lot of damage. >> this tweet says the obama administration is responsible for the tea party. >> it opened a backing tree that hot summer of 2009 -- it opened up a vacuum for it. that hot summer of 2009. the president could have mobilized. there were people mobilizing on their own. a pragmatic, progressive president would have understood the power of having people in those places to combat a message that was full of misinformation. remember teh death panels? part of that is on us to fight back and expose that. only after labor day did the president come forward and begin to speak again to the people and explain where they

so then the pendulum goes.se gets pushed aside and then build up like steam and come roaring to the surface. obama won in 2008 over hillary clinton because the opponents of the iraq war had had it with the party leaders who played it safe and backed the war. i believe the republican base will do the same in 2016. they put up with george bush the first. and now are going to come loaded for bear with the rate for 2016. so i predict the hard right is going to take over the republican party in 2016 and the nomination is going to rand paul. you watch. this is what i do for a living. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >>> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, republicans playing politics with national security. president obama has ordered 19 embassies and consulates to be closed due to a potential threat. and stepped up drone attacks on terrorists overseas. today he spoke to marines in california about the threat we still

so then the pendulum goes.se gets pushed aside and then build up like steam and come roaring to the surface. obama won in 2008 over hillary clinton because the opponents of the iraq war had had it with the party leaders who played it safe and backed the war. i believe the republican base will do the same in 2016. they put up with george bush the first. and now are going to come loaded for bear with the rate for 2016. so i predict the hard right is going to take over the republican party in 2016 and the nomination is going to rand paul. you watch. this is what i do for a living. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for

think that 3% might be out of the cards for now, pullbacks might be short but this could be the new pendulum for where the market starts to swing at these higher rates. remember historically these are still very low rates but coming from where we were it was one heck of a percentage turnaround. > >what do you predict will happen with the dollar this week? > >i think the dollar will continue to remain weak. we watched the euro and the british pound in particular really gain for most of all of last week and i think that the strength that we're seeing in european currencies as a whole have a lot more room to the upside and the fed has a bias on a weaker dollar. and that's not just because of export trade it just seems as though the fed has always had that within the last decade or so. that's one of the reasons why i would not look for this to stop. > >michael thank you for spending some time with us this morning. have a good trading day. > >thank you. in our cover story, ford motor company is lowering mileage estimates for it's c-max hybrid crossover vehicles.that's after the environmental prot

the market by the us but i want to get back to war in the most recent video video you describe the pendulum between the quality of money and the quality of the currency the quantity of the currency so does war always have to play a role in this process. well you know during periods of economic strife what governments usually try and do is take the populations off the ball it's the government that is at fault for creating this economic strife by causing wealth transfers through things like deficit spending and all of these programs and when things get bad if they can tell the population that you've got to be a true patriot and it's those other people's fault the people on the other side of this imaginary line that we've drawn on the globe and and rally the population behind the politicians that are trying to hang on to power and so yeah war is very often something that is there to basically take people's eye off the ball and keep them from seeing what is really happening one of the things we're looking at here as we look at every day is the federal reserve and we talk about ben bernanke he w

the market by the us but i want to get back to war in the most recent video video you describe the pendulum between the quality of money and the quality of the currency the quantity of the currency so does war always have to play a role in this process. well you know during periods of economic strife what governments usually try and do is take the populations off the ball it's the government that is at fault for creating this economic strife by causing wealth transfers through things like deficit spending and all of these programs and . when things get bad if they can tell the population you've got to be a true patriot and it's those other people's fault the people on the other side of this imaginary line that we've drawn on the globe and and rally the population behind the politicians that are trying to hang on to power and so yeah war is very often something that is there to basically take people's eye off the ball and keep them from seeing what is really happening one of the things we're looking at here as we look at every day is the federal reserve and we talk about ben bernanke he who

that pendulum swings, the house we could have bought at $175 grand looks real good to someone at 325rand. neil: well put, each night 6:00 p.m. where charles just yells as people, very good stuff, he is understanding the market, and making it understandable to you. >> meanwhile, vm, you do say, do you think that award show got too aroundy? what do you do? next. ace of mind is important wn you' running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next. nascar is about excitement. but tracking all the action and hearing everything from our marketing parers, the media and millions of fans on social media can be a challenge. that's why we partnered with hp to build the new nascar fan and mediengagement center. hp's technology helps us turn millions of tweets, posts and sto

all politics is pendulums. bloomberg only won by five points last time to unknown bill thompson and people were pissed about it. and as the anti-bloomberg, which is de blasio -- >> i disagree with that. he's bon t he's been on the right side of -- >> christine quinn, people vote for who they like and there are just a lot of people who do not like her. you talk to a lot of people, men and women, and they just don't like her. >> i think what's interesting is that de blasio has been on the right side of every issue and he's really picking up the issue and his calls for really addressing the schools with the right way in preschool is really resonating. he had the sick leave, got that exactly right and stop & frisk, and got that exactly right. >> got it right according to him. there are a lot of new yorkers, myself included, who is a moderate and liberal but who has recognized the tougher right of center of giuliani and who work for the city. >> when he talks about the tale of two cities, he has a strong point. >> i

that pendulum swings, the house we could have bought at $175 grand looks real good to someone at 325 well put, each night 6:00 p.m. where charles just yells as people, very good stuff, he is understanding the market, and making it understandable to you. >> meanwhile, vm, you do say, do you think that award show got too aroundy? what do you do? next. neil: well, you gyrate, you rate, no matter what you think of miley cyrus doing this, more than 10 million viewers watched that and more, and tweeted their wonder and outrage during it all, that is 4 million viewers more than last year, which mak you wonder who performers will do to grab your attention and not just their apendages next year. what the heck was going on here? >> well, you know, i think that was miley's way of saying i'm not "hannah montana," i am a grown up, dare i say woman, hear me roar. this is more moment, saying i can push the envelope, and by the way, my new album drops october 8, preorders happened 24 hours before, you might' to reorder my album is worked. neil: i am wondering, how do that i want to it next year? wha

countries for toxic waste, things pushing for deregulation, maybe it would be a opportunity to swing the pendulum all the way over to the other side. may he would, quote, unquote, evolve according to someone. look at his resume' wall street would have on the pom-poms. melissa: you are not people with money on the street and talking the game and people who play it on tvecause you actually do it. what you do think about this? how nervous does it make you? how do you tee yourself up for this decision? >> for me, i'm one of these guys, number one, not a fan of the fed. b, fed talk dominates so much it causes people to miss some opportunities. i look for strong companies and who are doing extraordinarily well and become an owner of companies. the sooner the fed is o of the picture the better. whatever the knee-jerk consequences, can stumble on its own. we use the training wheel analogy. when you take off the training wheel sometimes your kid false. i remember my daughter learned how to ride a bike and one corner she was learning she fell three times in a row. she didn't cry. she picked her heavily is

the pendulum is swinging in the republican party now.ves hard right, will they really try another establishment time like romney or dole or mccain or christie or jeb bush? or will the party go for one of its tea party heroes like rand paul? here with me now is the author of the great book "collision 2016." dan, let's talk about what you call the subterranean campaign of 2012 and what it offers us in the future. >> we think of the campaign as the campaign we all cover all the time. everything we talk about, every utterance, every gaffe, every debate, every movement. and that's part of politics and in many ways the interesting and enjoyable part of politics, but it's not necessarily the decisive part of politics. there are important and powerful underlying forces that effect every campaign. in 2012, one was the economy. would it be just good enough to allow president obama to win re-election or bad enough to deny re-election. another was voter anger. which direction would it go? a third was the deep red/blue divide and how that shaped atti

. >> the swing is a pendulum that catapults fliers as high as 30 feet in the air.he team has never performed on the swing in a show before, and they're hoping it will wow the audience. >> we were trying to have something maybe more exciting for the crowd, something they had never seen before. >> what the audience sees is certainly not what anyone expected. with the swing, timing is everything. >> all week before the show during practice, i had been leaving a little bit early, and so i had been going straight up. >> on the night of the show, nicole is determined not to repeat the mistakes she's made in practice. she takes off and does a single back tuck, but she overcompensates. >> i went too far the other way. i waited too long and i pushed really hard and it sent me more horizontal than vertical. >> the slight miscalculation makes a big difference in where nicole lands, and the mistake is compounded by something else that goes wrong that night. >> we would usually practice with an additional smaller crash pad on the end, but for some reason that day it wasn't ther

the pendulum swings back the other way. the reality is, and a lot of people don't want to hear this, if they are somebody determined to commit a criminal act, if there was a summer intern in my office, determined to get into my office, and snatched from my desktop a top-secret document and give it away, you'll probably be able to figure out a way to do that and to break through all the barriers that exist. we don't necessarily need to think about changing national security policy in reaction to one criminal event. >> they will have to avoid criminal prosecution. on that point, apparently we are out of time. i want to thank our panelists for a great discussion. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] withre from this event deputy secretary ashton carter. he talks about the future of the pentagon as it draws down operations in afghanistan and iraq and focuses on other issues like cyber security and counter- terrorism. this is one hour. you, wa

that regulators don't understand the complexities of the business, and they're -- once again, the pendulumo far. but whether it's the mortgage business, whether it's the capital levels, compensation, you know, then, of course, you've got the u.s. attorney coming down with charges, this is the new normal for the banks, and this is not going away anytime soon. is this a ten-year period we'll see this industry under pressure? >> it just depends. if you are happy with the 2% growth in the economy, then it might go on for ten years. what i am saying -- forget the banks. i am saying that this is having a very detrimental effect on our economy -- our economy should be growing at a minimum of 3%. we should not have 7.4% unemployment. >> you're right. >> and so, what i'm saying, if you're happy with our economic environment like this, then, fine, just keep piling on and we'll continue to have this kind of growth. why would anyone want to accept this kind of an economic environment today? i'm talking about jobs. i'm talking about people who deserve credit that are not getting it. >> well, for -- >>

everybody's complaining that the regulatory, you know, pendulum has swung too far. >> yeah. >> look at jpmorgan. they will not get off jpmorgan. they've got attacks and investigations everywhere you look. is it a burdensome regulatory environment at this point, or no? >> well, first, i've said this throughout the cme, i said we have to stop putting regulatory headwinds in our business plans and we have to understand we all have to deal with the regulatory issues. and it's not just here in the united states. they'll have to deal with them in europe. >> right. >> we'll all have to deal with it them. when you have 2,000, 3,000 pages of dodd-frank, there needs to be rule writing with that big law. that takes time to do. unfortunately, when you take that much time to write the rule, there's uncertainty in the marketplace, one of the reasons i think it's hurt volume, people don't know the rules that are written. but we're getting there. we'll have to get this behind us and move forward. it kind of reminds me of stoxle when they thought it was way off, it would cost them more, but now you don

is consolidation the inevitable outcome of the fragmentation of markets, the pendulum swinging one waybut is it now swinging back? >> i would hope so. i'd like to get if back to one market, all participants, sellers meet buyers. and that's what fair and equitable is all about. the minute you have high-frequency trading and c co-locating, i don't think that's right. >> isn't there an argument, david, i know we have to leave it, isn't there a case we made back when the new york stock exchange, whom ever had a monopoly, the consumer was -- the retail buyer was paying the price for that, that there are a lot of people, we don't want to go back to that old days in that regard. are they right? >> i think they don't want to go back to those days because the competition is out there, they at least made it attractive for people to make a market, that spread was a very valuable profit center for anybody that was active in the market. we're not going to see it again. >> all right. thank you for your views. >> thanks, guys. >>> a couple of minutes to go before the closing bell. we're up about 37 p

i think i recently started here in the last weeks and months a lot of chatter about the pendulum kinding back from being a 24 / seven connected all the time and wanting that to people wanting some time to unplug and disconnect. all these vacations the you can go on, digital detox with a collector phone at the door or even a hotel in d.c. that locks your phone up when you check and . >> host: people are responding ? >> guest: people want that. people are paying for that. people are really seeing in recognizing that we are almost kind of tac addicted in tech obsessed and our culture and that we need to kind of reclaim a little of our life back. but that also drew me to write a children's picture book because it is not just the adults that are tech obsessed. my own 2-year-old son will literally walk up to a picture frame and swipe it and ask for elmo or barney. so we have -- we live in this culture. our toddlers are tech obsessed. a really wanted to write a children's picture book on the same topic of criticizing tech-life balance. >> host: so when it comes to the children's book, how do

i think it's -- i've recently started to hear at love chatter about the pendulum kind of going back from being 24/7 connected all the time and wanting that, to people wanting some time to unplug to disconnect. there's vacation you can go on, digital detox. they collect your phone at the door or even there's a hotel in d.c. that locks your phone whup you check in. [laughter] >> people responding to in? >> people want it. they are paying for it! i think people are really seeing recognizing and tech addictive and tech obsessed in our culture. we need reclaim a little of our life back. that also drew me to write a children's picture book. it's not just the adults that are tech obsessed. my 2-year-old will walk up to a picture prime and swipe it and ask for elmo. i wanted to write a children's picture book on the same topic of finding tech-life balance and remembering there's a beautiful world. >> when it comes to the children's book how do you approach it? >> it has a long, female tech character named dot. she's a [speaking in foreign [speaking in foreign spunky little girl. she's skyping an

but the pendulum has swung too far the other way.we've got to find a babalance a it's destroying too many lives. not only the prisoners but the spouses and communities are being hurt by this. but we can't allow that to prevents us from moving forward. it's wonderful when what the attorney general has done in terms of bringing this issue to light here, but remember, only about 14% of our country's prisoners in federal prison. about 86% of these people are in state and local principals and that doesn't address that at all. >> we'll bring that up later on. a little bit about the guests we have. richard with right on crime. first of all, what is right on crime? >> right on crime is a project of the texas public pollpyicy foundation and a project that they have founded to provide an opportunity for conservatives to speak out on the issues that we're talking about here. people from jeb bush, newt begin tkpwreufp, dave king, toni perkins, kenny nance, pretty much the spectrum of conservatives have signed on board and it's an issue that n co

are issueseration where we have seen the pendulum swing. anda actually came out says something on same-sex marriage as they took action. we see eric holder actually taking action. we are seeing a bipartisan coalition emerging around reducing masimo corporation -- mass incarceration. i spoke with other well-known conservatives. of well-knownng are involved who in this. the list is line. my mind is slow. oflso talked with the head the naacp. they are working together. is this possible? yes. they were down in texas testifying. georgia has cut back their spending. arkansas is closing jails. 10 years ago there were a lot more of them. there is a meeting of the minds and the wallets. to cut government spending, great place to do it it is possible. there are a lots of sensible people out there in the middle. they need to be spoken to and udged/s >> they do not want people to vote because they are afraid people are going to vote for their own interest. the issue of mass incarceration has a lot to do with the privatization of the prison system. it i

the pendulum swings one way and swings back.ich i'm sure is playing on people's decisions now. >> of course it is. you know the pressures are so much greater now. both in making that balance possible with the economy the way it is. also, in finding jobs for these women. that's really the thing. if you want to go back most of the women i spoke to thought they would go back. getting a job when you have been out for five ten years, is horrendous. very difficult. >> the economy is a factor. i also think there is a question about confidence and self-identity. you were making a half million at oracle. you opted to stay home and raise your three children. you are now back at work. you say when you were at home in a piece in "the new york times," that you lacked an independent work identity that yourself confidence plummeted. you said, "i felt like a loser." why. >> it was all timing when this interview took place over a year. it was a very tortuous year. i live in an environment where there are a lot of successful people and your ident

the pendulum is still swinging the looks like it's starting to slow.re going much faster. a lot of hedge fund money is coming in and buying houses street hedge fund money like to make money fast as we all know. home prices did decline in five cities on a month basis light the tree was down 1.4% the year over year san francisco up 24.5%. a lot of facebook. a lot of google of lot of talk come money. >>mark: watching had a montana parade everyone still talking about that wild performance. publicity for and to be a good or bad >>: a very good. a viacom is public traded treat everyone is saying she is a tramp but she is unhappy. it's one of the most little articulations of on filling out money in their life. the millennial are having a very tough time establishing themselves in the economy but the mtv awards were big this year. keeping my last year they were up against the democratic national convention so of 66 percent air ratings. probably a little bit of a blip but it is the number one show on cable from ages 18 to 25 all year round spirit >>mark: let's

jenna: that said, the pendulum has swung back and forth. as you mentioned, from maybe not having enough surveillance and question is now. have we gone back too far? >> i think the better argument may be, have we gone far enough. jenna: would you like more, would you like more surveilance? >> we have not had a good enough debate in the united states why we have surveillance the obama administration has invited skepticism and even sina civil. they haven't -- cynicism. they haven't explained why irs targeted tea party. jenna: i would love to get your thoughts on this. the american people in general are wary of a tyrannical government. we're watching for the next one. are you concerned how these programs might be used under different administrations? >> i think we have to have rules in place, that make it very, an environment where citizens feel as if their communications are private, but, where terrorism is being identified, and prevented. let's keep in mind, since 9/11, the two people who have violated the most privacy are bradley manning and

the pendulum to machines. is this just another tale of the story?> i think there's no question that when you are so dominated by computer systems that it's hard to a disseminate information. traders talk to traders on the buy and the sell side. the have specialists on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it certainly i think would help people into a little bit of comfort, but keep in mind, the crash of '87 was no picnic. we had a lot of trades that did not cross. people didn't take telephone calls. so it's sort of like they both have their own set of problems. tracy: david, you just heard liz claman talking about how ceos of not even notified were told what the plan is. what is the public relations angle? it has not been great. >> right. i actually think on russell rebalancing day that traders are got knocked out from the market. the stocks went wild in many instances of the market and down. printed at levels that there should not printed at. that was a much bigger problem that i think what you were probably going to have today assuming they ge

the pendulum swings back the other way. the reality is, and a lot of people don't want to hear this, if they are somebody determined to commit a criminal act, if there was a summer intern in my office, determined to get into and snatched from my desktop a top-secret document and give it away, you'll probably be able to figure out a way to do that and to break through all the barriers that .xist we don't necessarily need to think about changing national security policy in reaction to one criminal event. they will have to avoid criminal prosecution. on that point, apparently we are out of time. i want to thank our panelists for a great discussion. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> when it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your phone calls. that is not what this program is about. what thedicated, intelligence community is doing is looking at phone numbers, durations of calls. they are not looking at people's names and th