they live at the iowa state penitentiary. behind this 40-foot stone and concrete exterior is a population of drug abusers, murderers, and the mentally ill. on the west bank of the mississippi river is one of the oldest prisons in the country, iowa state penitentiary. there is a separate facility at iowa state penitentiary called ccu, the inmates who are considered mentally ill are housed here. lieutenant john fedler oversees the correctional staff at ccu. >> the staff have been through specialized training to be able to deal with the mentally ill inmates. >> up to 200 men can be housed in ccu. most of them reside in single cells in one of the four general population pods. >> i am here for depression. i was out on work release. i escaped from a work release center because i couldn't find a job. i robbed a bank in my hometown where the work release center was. i got in a high-speed chase with state troopers of missouri and local law enforcement. i hit one of the state troopers head on, trying to commit suicide. and i killed the

iowa's anamosis state penitentiary has a different existence.n spends nearly every protective custody cell where he never sees the sun. >> well, what happened is they girl back in 1994 and next thing i know i'm in prison and then contract supposed to be out on me. >> morgan was convicted of a 9-year-old girl. he is serving life without the >> there's been a lot of threats against me. it was a high profile crime at the time. about it and they're trying to stand up and be some sort of righteous convict. i only rob banks or do drugs. i only sell crack to kids but we're going to go and kill him. >> protective custody inmates like morgan are locked in their them from other inmates. >> it's claustrophobic being in but after a while you get used to it. what i miss most about freedom and i miss the sun. i probably miss that more than anything else. and fresh air. too good. >>> next on "lockup: raw, ever present danger" -- >> all of a sudden, the locks started rattling back and forth together, clacking. to the afterlife. >> i'm not a superstitious i beli

iowa's anamosis state penitentiary has a different existence. hour of every day inside a small protective custody cell where he >> well, what happened is they accused me of killing a little girl back in 1994 and next thing there's people talking about a contract supposed to be out on me. >> morgan was convicted of a 9-year-old girl. he is serving life without the possibility of parole. it was a high profile crime at the time. stand up and be some sort of righteous convict. i only sell crack to kids but this guy, he killed one, so now >> protective custody inmates like morgan are locked in their cells 23 hours a day to keep them from other inmates. >> it's claustrophobic being in a little cell 23 hours a day, but after a while you get used to it. what i miss most about freedom and i miss the sun. anything else. and fresh air. too good. present danger" -- started rattling back and forth together, clacking. to the afterlife. i believe everything has an explanation. here that i've not been able to >> i'm getting goose bumps just >>> correctional off

at the penitentiary of new mexico. you know, about 13 years ago. >> an inmate who was former law enforcement is going to always be perceived as the enemy as far as the other inmates go. so, it's usually a precarious situation. given his circumstances, i thought daniel was pretty secure. going from being a former c.o. to an inmate in the same prison where he once worked, i would have expected him to be a little more nervous, uptight, what have you. but he acclimated quite well. >> the officers, some of them treated me the same. some of them treated me different. for the most part, though, i've always gone along with people. i came into prison. and i ain't here to prove a point. i'm just here to do my time. >> was it weird at first dealing with officers? did you run into people you knew? >> yeah. i mean, i ran into a few people. they said, hey, rapatz. they call me by my last name, what happened, how did you end up here in the joint? what happened? i tell them, i ended up wrong place, wrong time. i was out drinking and u

my uncle worked for new folsom or something to do with the folsom penitentiary.y biological father worked at tracy at one time, and now works at a women's prison in chowchilla. my mom right now currently is getting ready to retire from tracy prison. she's not a cop, she's an accountant. she works for the corrections department. >> when kirkpatrick left his gang, he asked his family to take him back. >> all these letters i have all over my bed right here, 90% of those are from my mom. >> but there are complications. kirkpatrick's past makes it impossible for him to even keep pictures of his relatives, including his mother. >> oh, i don't want one. my mom don't like the way she looks in pictures. i said, it doesn't matter, i'm your son, it's not like i'm going to go around showing it. she's like but what you don't understand is i work for cdc. i don't want my picture going through and people might recognize me or know who i am. i was like all right, i understand. and that's [ bleep ] up because that shows that she's ashamed of me. you know what i'm saying? that's t

. >>> san quentin is a deteriorated penitentiary whose obsolete design is putting officers at risk andthousands of inmates incarcerated there, san quentin is home. it's where long days are spent in a small cell, where survival is as much a mental challenge as it is a physical one. >> there's a nine by six cell. now i can put my hand from here to here. and i can't even stretch my arms all the way up. >> you might say this is what criminals deserve, after all, this is prison. but for cellmates, russell johnson and christopher reid, for instance, it's hard time. >> it's certain ways you conduct yourself in here, too, you know what i'm saying? >> let's say for instance someone wanted -- >> somebody wanted to talk to him, you know what i'm saying, we got -- i've got to sit down. you know what i'm saying? >> or i might have to come up like this. or he can just turn to his side right here and walk this way. >> yeah. this is how you do it. you do your back that way. this is the real deal. you know what i'm saying? it really is. >> just how each inmate survives the extraordinary time they spend

this isn't limited to federal penitentiaries, but since you are our federal representative probably you can speak more directly to the federal penitentiaries rather than the state prisons and even local jails. i have a growing concern for the infiltration of certain people operating under the guise of being clerics to indoctrinate very vulnerable people that are already filled with hate. i know that we have a way of vetting who comes in to counsel and so on and so forth. can you give us a brief statement on the process of vetting and/or surveillance to make sure our vetting is correct? >> literal on after september 11 we worked closely with the federal department of prisons to assure that the appropriate teaching, again appropriate teaching was being conducted within the federal department of prisons. so that has been an ongoing process since probably 2002. at the same time we have over 100 joint terrorism task forces around the country. one of the mandates of that joint terrorism task force is to see and develop intelligence as to what threats may be within the prison system? many of t

i grew up in the penitentiary. i did not appreciate the ceqa faris my parents made for me to have an american dream. i got on to the wrong track and had to pay dearly for the mistakes i made. however, if you were to ask me how did i get here today, i would say it was through the support of my family, that they never gave up on me and support from the community who never gave up on me. and do to support of all the people who guided me to survive, to be able to make it. most importantly, education saved my life. it allowed me the opportunity to think and take responsibility for my actions and has allowed me the opportunity to correct conditions for people inside and outside the prison system. this is some of -- if you ask me what kind of son i am, i am the redemption son. ask what kind of plant or flour i am, i am a lotus flower. i am the person who comes out of the mud without being tainted. none of this would be possible without the support of my colleagues in cyc and the director who continued to have faith in me

our first slagle encounter was in 2000 when we met roy at colorado state penitentiary, and he made aig impression. at the time, roy was serving a 12-year sentence for robbery and had a notorious reputation for forcing the prison to perform cell extractions on him because of his frequent refusals to obey orders. nine years later, during our shoot at the lyman correctional facility in eastern colorado, we met an inmate named ray slagle who wasted no time reminding us of our sibling. >> come here, look at this. this is my twin brother right here. you already did a clip on him on msnbc. he was wild as hell. but by then, roy was anything but wild. and, in fact, had recently been released on parole. so we visited him as his parents' home where he had been living. >> are you going to make it this time staying out? >> yeah, i believe i'm going to make it, no doubt. >> roy is optimistic about his future, and so were we. back at lyman, his brother ray was serving a 15-year sentence for assault but was only days away from being released on parole. we looked forward to covering their first reuni

. >> this is my fifth here in the penitentiary. i've been all around.system for a while. >> soledad, tracy, jamestown, now here. >> many of these inmates are simply resigned to prison as a way of life. >> i will probably come back once or twice on a violation. ♪ i can't shake these penitentiary state blues ♪ >> but flaco has come to the realization that hanging with a street gang does not mean lifetime loyalty. >> well, basically what it boils down to, an eye opener for me was, when i fell, when i got locked up, where were they? you know, the only people writing me, taking care of me right now is my family. all those guys, home boy this, they ain't nowhere to be found right now. you know, so what it boils down to who is really here for me right now is my family. >> and for chester reed, it's that separation from family and his wife of 32 years that is most painful. >> misery i went through inside these walls and the pain that i caused my family, it will never happen again, not in my lifetime. it hurts me just to think of the hurt that i caused those one

. >> our first slagle encounter was in 2000 when we met roy at colorado state penitentiary, and he made big impression. at the time, roy was serving a 12-year sentence for robbery and had a notorious reputation for forcing the prison to perform cell extractions on him because of his frequent refusals to obey orders. nine years later, during our shoot at the lyman correctional facility in eastern colorado, we met an inmate named ray slagle who wasted no time reminding us of his sibling. >> come in here. look at this. here's my twin brother right here. you already did a clip on him on msnbc. he was wild as hell. >> but by then, roy was anything but wild. and, in fact, had recently been released on parole. so we visited him at his parents' home where he had been living. >> are you going to make it this time staying out? >> yeah, i believe i'm going to make it, no doubt. >> roy is optimistic about his future, and so were we. back at lyman, his brother ray was serving a 15-year sentence for assault but was only days away from being released on parole. we looked forward to covering their firs

we are housing homeless people coming in jails or penitentiaries. we serve the city in so many ways. please, do not have this ordinance. thank you. >> commissioners, i am jim cost. -- jim haas. i have appeared before you many times over the years with regard to student housing. we need to take into account the realities and the needs of the educational institutions, in particular the relationship between the developer and the institute. the fact that smaller institutions may need to share of building amongst themselves, the fact that some institutions may need to have faculty honors or staff live with the students, and that students are not there 12 months out of the year, but often only nine months. i want to emphasize again the aspect of the legal relationships. the existing relationship talks about owned, operated, or otherwise controlled. if you go out and talk to some of these institutions, they do not want to own the building. many of them do not want to operate the building and higher maintenance people. and at some do not even want to collec

of other bank robberies, some of which landed him a prior 11-year sentence at another federal penitentiary>> the yankee bandit, my cellmate at one time, a world famous bank robber, he holds a record at 72 banks robbed. and i'm like, come on, man, i was just getting warmed up at 72. throughout the years i've probably robbed more than 100 and no more than 150. put it that way. >> torres says the inspiration to become a bank robber occurred when he was a young boy growing up in a tough part of orange county. >> i never had money in my pocket to buy an ice cream when i was a kid, and that used to bother me because all the other kids had money, and i got caught stealing one time, you know, from the neighborhood guy, and i remember i just finished seeing that bonnie and collide movie back in the day with warren beatty and i forget the actress, fe dunaway and i remember walking home that day and i said i'm groung to rob a ban, just like bonnie and collide used to. clyde used to. i was kicking rocks, you know. i was just a kid. >> how much money do you think you've gotten from your bank robberies

state with so many overcrowded prisons, many believe it's only a matter of time before another new penitentiary opens its doors. that's our report. thanks for watching. i'm john seigenthaler. >>> not enough jobs. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening, i'm chris matthews. in washington leading off tonight, the numbers game, what are we to make of the latest jobs number. the economy added 115,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate dropped to 0.18%. and the chief economist and nobel peace prize winner paul krugman says that things would be bet ter if the republicans gt out of the way. he joins us. and dirty angry money. governor david switser does not like money and politics, and he is hoping to have a prairie fire out west. he will join us here. and plus, why do the gay republicans want to be in a political party that won't defend them? isn't that a fundamental question? if people don't like it, why are you there? we will ask congressman foley. and also clint hill who is a great man will join us to tell us what he saw back in november of 1963. and let me finish tonight with overdue prais

lorton penitentiary in northern virginia is the place that gave hive to his musical career. >> after i did about three of those shows, i knew i was going to be something. when i got out of there, you wasn't going back no more. >> reporter: early in chuck's career, he played guitar. his biggest hit came in the late 1907s. ♪ i feel hike busting loose &&. >> we did busting loose in '78 and that what is it took off. >> reporter: chuck credits his decades of success to his generations of fans and the love of his family. >> i'm inspired by my wife and children. that is my greatest inspiration. >> that was asian-pacific wransy reporting. we'll be looking back on the life and career of chuck brown all morning long. coming up in the 5:00 hour, we'll speak with one of his best friends and a local promoter, darryl brooks. >> we are also going to be talking with d. j. flex from wpgc would joins us in the studio in the 6:00 hour. >>> checking some of our other top stories, two suspects wanted for impersonating police officers are now in custody this morning after a police chase ends in a messy mu

level the penalties for simple crimes are outrageous people going to jail for ten years five years penitentiary for downloading a song for example how they get that huge spreads very historically have we seen anything as outrageous as this i think maybe stalinist russia or something where you nailed it bear a fact the guy just got busted for stealing a coke at mcdonald's the but dollar soda people get busted for selling raw milk. you hit it stalinist russia but it's really not that it's more sasha's the merger of state and corporate powers by definition is call fascism and fascism at every level is coming to america not only on the t.s.a. when you go on an airplane and get felt up not only the new supreme court ruling that if you're not wearing a cell seat belt and they arrest you and take you to jail or you had a drink and they're going to throw you in jail for drinking too much to spread your legs and bend over strip searches are now for anybody and everybody so when you look at the mergers state and corporate powers it's not something that i'm making up all my life from a little kid they tol

that she was white and he was black the way they were born they were both sentenced to the state penitentiary for two years under alabama's miseducation laws simply because of how they were born they appealed that to the u.s. supreme court in eight hundred eighty three in a case that as these verses alabama the supreme court of the united states two generations after the civil war was over will the tony pace marie cox she go to prison for having had sex while being born are different races from each other. as america woke up to the fact that people don't choose their race we're also and we're all just people here things changed but slowly harry truman integrated the u.s. military with an executive order in july of one nine hundred forty eight but the miseducation laws are still on the books and mixed race couples are still getting arrested simply because of how they were born in one nine hundred fifty four and brown v board of education the supreme court order schools integrated but in such a nation laws were still on the books and mixed race couples were still getting arrested because of how

companies around the world saw what was happening they actually stopped shipping the drugs to the penitentiary the well oiled kept. punishment conveyor belt they didn't let a small detail like that stop them some say started ditching the tested and approved reject system replacing it with a one and done style execution and ohio was the first of three states to try this method last year when they started using pentobarbital all by itself but that wasn't a smooth transition either there was a well deserved outcry over the fact that pentobarbital was being used on humans because after all it's typically reserved for euthanize an animal. shaking pain if something goes wrong and because we have no tests we cannot guarantee that nothing will go wrong so people are at risk of not just being killed but being tortured to death a drug is not a painkiller so that. now in arizona used on sixty three year old thomas camp last month the fact that he shook for several seconds while receiving the lethal dose of the dose of the drug prompted even more concern i mean come on it's bad enough that as a civilized

would be the promised land, but the only door that was opened to us was the prison door and the penitentiary door. as long as we got this white privileged mentality in this country, and we got this issue of race, the struggle is on. so i say, don't become discouraged. just use what you've got and energize the crowd that you've got and work like hell because as long as you got people around who don't look like us, they're going to forever be trying to be in control of us. and that's the reason why we cannot deal with this issue right now of same-sex marriage because many of us have been conned and used by white euro centric theology. we have not thought for ourselves. i don't perform those same-sex marriages. that's not a part of my tradition but it's time for black people to think for themselves and stop letting those other folks think for us and stand up and hang in there and use what you got and stop looking at what you don't have on hand. >> thank you, sir. would the other three people i called on please stand up and we're going to do this quickly. >> hello. i'm pastor out in baltimore, m

penitentiaries from the estate prisons and even local jails. i have a growing concern for the infiltration of certain people operating under the guide is being clerics to indoctrinate very vulnerable people that are already filled with hate. i know we have a way of fighting who comes into the council and so on and so forth. can you give a brief statement on the process of vetting and or surveillance and make sure that it's correct? >> early on after september 11th we worked closely with the department federal prisons to assure us the appropriate teaching, again appropriate teaching was being conducted within the federal department of prisons comes of that's been an ongoing process since probably 2002. at the same time, we have over 100 joint terrorism task forces around the country. one of the mandates on the task force is to see and develop intelligence as to what it may be in knott prison system. there are many state and local prison systems and many of the task force is you will have signed on the state and local prison authorities to work c

states where the death penalty is still being carried out troy davis' death happened in a georgia penitentiary and notice what happened when the media actually shed light on that case just a month after davis was killed a gallup poll showed that nationwide approval for the death penalty reached a thirty nine year low so how could they not be directly related with the rest of the country these incidents like that happen they're informed about the dangers of putting such a scary power into the hands of the government the power to kill somebody something that you cannot take back even though our system is nowhere close to being free of mistakes but it's not just individuals whose opinions are changing there's also been a growing trend of states abolishing the death penalty as well connecticut as a side of that they'll offer a life in prison punishment for criminals for anybody convicted after april two thousand and twelve making them the seventeenth state to abolish capital punishment . i struggled with this issue. mostly as a younger person when i became a prosecutor in new york city and i under

time died last summer allowed to be by her bedside but quickly back to indiana federal private penitentiaryss of knowing he could be outside cases former governor wants out. a legal analyst terry sullivan >> luck probably have to consider honest services not objected to they are kind of sending a strong message back time he sees the light of day gov. george ryan >> the issue did come up today legal team has not decided what to do one risk he says if released pending the appeal could have to go back to prison we saw the same thing happen with conrad black it would appear weighing other issues as well requesting bond. >> upcoming nato summit worth big money put the city of chicago according to study released world business chicago and chicago host committee projected numbers more than $128 million spent $3 million local tax revenue expected to generate due to ticket participate in the summit 28 countries. first back in theaters now somebody looking to put it back in water plan for titanic to sail again. late inning rally in line at to take three of four from the philadelphia phillies. ep whoa

this isn't limited to federal penitentiaries, but since you are our federal representative probably you can speak more directly to the federal penitentiaries rather than the state prisons and even local jails. i have a growing concern for the infiltration of certain people operating under the guise of being clerics to indoctrinate very vulnerable people that are already filled with hate. i know that we have a way of vetting who comes in to counsel and so on and so forth. can you give us a brief statement on the process of vetting and/or surveillance to make sure our vetting is correct? >> literal on after september 11 we worked closely with the federal department of prisons to assure that the appropriate teaching, again appropriate teaching was being conducted within the federal department of prisons. so that has been an ongoing process since probably 2002. at the same time we have over 100 joint terrorism task forces around the country. one of the mandates of that joint terrorism task force is to see and develop intelligence as to what threats may be within the prison system? many of t

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another day in the penitentiary. >> less than 24 hours after the stabbing, the warden has regrouped, taken the prison off lockdown and is back in control. >> we get these out of here. we had the hall looking great last night. let's try to keep it that way. we learned a few things last night. if you have an incident, at least make the best of it, try to learn what you can out of it. we reorganized the laundry, the way we bring our laundry in. the piece of metal, for things coming off a grinder. i feel that took place in the metal fab. we have a couple suspects that may be producing weapons in the metal fab. he said he paid the guy three bags of coffee and the guy stole the three bags of coffee plus didn't bring his shoes back, so that's why he stabbed him. >> he had about three stab wounds. the one in his side was serious. the doctor told him they just missed getting his liver, which would have been, could have been, terminal. but after we got him back in from the hospital, he went on to ad-seg, and, of course, terry is in ad-seg. they both will go through disciplinary process. moore